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Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield Nov 04 2018 08:11 PM

...so we might as well give him a thread. Price will likely be too high in my book. But discuss away.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2018 08:21 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

would be nice to have but I am not gonna get held up by the Marlins. these prices discussed here are more than we coughed up for Piazza for crissakes

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:33 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Grandal was benched during the postseason for his defense. Ramos has a reputation for being injury prone. Just putting it out there.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 04:25 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I also think that Jeter can be had. There is nothing at present to indicate to me that he is (or is going to be) a good baseball executive.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2018 06:23 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Yeah, getting in the mindset that this is the deal that has to happen is another way of saying "Screw me, please."

41Forever Nov 05 2018 06:28 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

If the price is so high for Realmuto, do we maybe not give up on Travis?

Centerfield Nov 05 2018 07:44 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, getting in the mindset that this is the deal that has to happen is another way of saying "Screw me, please." Right. Which is why Jeter got screwed in the Stanton trade. He went in with the mindset that he had to move him, and he had a guy with a no-trade clause. Realmuto is just the opposite. Young, controllable good. Tons of market for that guy. Someone will give up multiple blue chips for him. I'd rather it not be us. And while he's a very good hitter, especially for a catcher, he's not a front line masher. If you give up multiple blue chips, you want someone back like Nolan Arenado or Paul Goldschmidt. I think the ship has sailed on d'Arnaud. I think he tinkers with his swing too much to hit with any consistency. And maybe his throwing will be more accurate after the TJ surgery, but I don't think he'll ever have a quick enough trigger for his throwing to not be a liability. And at 29 he's not going to get any faster.

Ceetar Nov 05 2018 08:04 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

If you really really want a catcher, hunt Grandal or Ramos and don't forget that Kevin Plawecki is not bad. Realmuto had a career year and you have to give up prospects. Seems like a buy high situation. On the other hand, he HAS improved every year, particularly in BB%, so maybe you can believe that it's only his career year until next year, and the year after that. It doesn't feel wise to get into a bidding war where you give up a lot of talent for him though, and he has no control over it, unlike where Stanton just vetoed every other team so the Yankees got him cheap.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2018 11:57 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Never mind "should"s... I don't know that we HAVE the chips to get this done.

Ceetar Nov 05 2018 12:04 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Never mind "should"s... I don't know that we HAVE the chips to get this done. Depends what they want. maybe we don't have as many top-flight quality guys and they're not willing to make it up with quantity. Also maybe it's a bigger hit than a deeper farm system might be, and that makes it less worth it to the Mets. I dunno, but there are tons of players i'm sure Miami would make use of some of them.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:47 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2018 03:50 PM

41Forever wrote: If the price is so high for Realmuto, do we maybe not give up on Travis? I have had it with Travis d'Arnaud. I'm sick of his face. I'm sick of the little locks of hair that pop out of the top of his batting helmet. I'm sick of the injuries. I'm sick of the lack of production. I'm sick of the defensive liability. I'm sick of both the lack of production and the defensive liability knowing that he was touted as a good defensive catcher who could hit when he came over as the actual centerpiece of the Dickey deal (with Syndergaard as the "throw in"). I'm sick of all of it.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:48 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2018 04:02 PM

Ceetar wrote: don't forget that Kevin Plawecki is not bad. Plawecki is bad. So is Nido. At least they are if they are being evaluated as starting catchers.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:58 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: these prices discussed here are more than we coughed up for Piazza for crissakes I'm not saying that Realmuto is comparible to Piazza or that we have to pay the same price for him as we did for Piazza (although I do not recall Preston Wilson, Ed Yarnell, and/or Geoff Geotz leading the Marlins to any championships or even contention). What I will say is that we are in a different era in valuating players than when the Piazza trade was made (pre analytics which take the players entire game into account, pre-WAR). Piazza got to the HOF pretty much exclusively based upon his lumber. Realmuto has better defensive skills. And BVW did say in his presser that he wants to be strong up the middle. https://www.mlb.com/news/marlins-jt-rea ... -238590080

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2018 04:29 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Yeah, I don't look at him and see Piazza (whose throwing woes masked the fact that he was probably severely underrated defensively). I'm thinking more like... Lucroy or Victor Martinez... or, like, peak Pierzynski-plus. Catchers his age tend to start breaking down within a year or two (see: the first two names above, and almost every other offensively-talented catcher who's played 600-700 games behind the plate, ever). That he's well-rounded raises his floor a little... but that lack of dominance (good-not-great bat, good-not-great glove, good-for-a-catcher speed/athleticism) also means he probably won't ever be the best-- or second- or third-best-- player on a WS contender. Meeting the Marlins' likely asking price for such a player would likely be... ill-advised.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 04:34 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Catchers his age tend to start breaking down within a year or two That can just as easily mean that we potentially benefit from the last two years he has left at his peak and then let him walk. It's a little hard for me to believe that he is going to start his downslide when he has two years of team control remaining. It all depends on the price, I agree with that much. If the rest of MLB sees it the way that you and others on the board commenting about it do, who is to say that the Mets cannot competitively bid?

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 05:38 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 06 2018 04:08 AM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: he probably won't ever be the best-- or second- or third-best-- player on a WS contender. Let's put that through it's paces. 2019 Mets (if it goes a certain way) -1st Best Player: Machado -2nd Best Player: deGrom -3rd Best Player: Conforto -4th Best Player: Syndergaard I'm not guaranteeing that. You would actually have to get Machado and Conforto/Syndergaard would have to stay healthy and consistently hit their potential high-end performance levels over an entire season. You need solid complimentary role players on a championship team. Realmuto could be one of those if other pieces fall into place (along with the likes of Nimmo/Bruce/Rosario/whoever they get for the bullpen). Often times the complimentary players are the ones who come though in the big moments in a championship season. Just look at Steve Pearce just last week!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2018 07:34 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I'm not saying that Realmuto isn't worth having. I'm saying he probably isn't worth a multiple-top-tier-prospects package. I'm saying that Steve Pearce was a prorated portion of a 1 year/6M contract, and the Red Sox didn't even pay THAT much of it. I'm saying that if the Marlins' negotiating posture is, "Bowl us over," then the return gambit should probably be something like, "Um, no."

Edgy MD Nov 05 2018 09:44 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

My crystal ball suggests the Mets are more likely to bring in a Wilson — either Ramos or Contreras. Unsure what the Cubs might want in a deal for a young, all-star catcher who also plays the infield corners and the outfield corners, I'm guessing Ramos.

Centerfield Nov 05 2018 10:22 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I can see us going Ramos too. If he can keep his production a few more years it will be a good move.

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2018 10:37 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I think it goes without saying that there are reasons to be reluctant on a 245 (at least!) pound catcher with a history of knee and leg injuries. He totaled barely 600 PAs between 2017 & 2018 combined and strapped 'em on for more than 100 games four times in his career and 130+ just once, back in 2016 when he played the full season but then missed the playoffs due to, of course, a late season leg injury. On the plus side he can really hit and throw and, at 32 next August, isn't quite as old as I would have guessed. Downside (besides, y'know, the rusty hinges)? -- In a foot race with the Molina brothers he'd finish in a dead heat for last with Benji. And that's Benji now not Benji during his career.

Ceetar Nov 06 2018 07:56 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Frayed Knot wrote: On the plus side he can really hit and throw and, at 32 next August, isn't quite as old as I would have guessed. Downside (besides, y'know, the rusty hinges)? -- In a foot race with the Molina brothers he'd finish in a dead heat for last with Benji. And that's Benji now not Benji during his career. Ramos? bottom 4% of the league the last two years in sprint speed. (22.8 ft/s) 648th in the league last year, 97th at his position. The Major League average on a "competitive" play is 27 ft/sec, and the competitive range is roughly from 23 ft/sec (poor) to 30 ft/sec (elite). I don't know how he's 648th in the league though, when I sort the sprint speed leaderboard it only shows, minimum 10 sprints, 549 guys. Only Brain McCann, 22.7 and Albert Pujols, 22.2 are behind him.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2018 10:58 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Man, was I flunking biology badly until Brain McCann agreed to be my tutor. In exchange, I helped him with how to dress and talk to girls.

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2018 01:35 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Ceetar wrote: Ramos? bottom 4% of the league the last two years in sprint speed. The lower 3 must be in wheelchairs.

G-Fafif Dec 04 2018 03:21 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Martino floating a rumored Rosario-for-Realmuto deal as allegedly being discussed by the Mets and Marlins.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2018 03:25 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

would be dumb

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2018 03:43 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

What if it's a "Make Room For Manny" deal?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2018 03:53 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Then maybe. But in that case I'd prefer Frazier for Realmuto. Wait, in all cases...

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2018 05:39 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Ken Rosenthal wrote: #Marlins want at least one controllable major-league asset as centerpiece for Realmuto. #Mets have Conforto/Nimmo/Rosario, but would need to replace whoever they traded in FA market or other deals. Teams engaged. NYM aggressive. Matz is controllable. Maybe we can hypnotize the Marlins into accepting Matz?

Mex17 Dec 04 2018 06:04 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

If they trade Rosario for Realmuto and whiff on Machado, the shortstop options that are left from the outside are the likes of Freddy Galvis, Jordy Mercer, Alcides Escobar, and Adieny Hechavarria. Do you think that McNeil can play short?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2018 06:05 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

This is all just wild speculation, but I would hope they wouldn't trade Rosario until they had locked down his replacement.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2018 06:07 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Jon Heyman wrote: Marlins heard from 14 teams regarding star C JT Realmuto this winter, including 3 in division (all but Nats, who tried hardest last year). From Mets, top 2 targets would be Brandon Nimmo and Amed Rosario. Braves less likely since have Flowers/McCann, r targeting an OF, pitchers. Mike Puma wrote: Hearing it’s unlikely the Mets would put Michael Conforto in any potential deal for J.T. Realmuto.

smg58 Dec 04 2018 06:23 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I would not trade four years of Nimmo for two of Realmuto. Rosario is trickier; his upside is still high, but last year’s production from him wouldn’t be that hard to replace.

Ashie62 Dec 04 2018 07:39 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This is all just wild speculation, but I would hope they wouldn't trade Rosario until they had locked down his replacement. Would prospect Andres Gimenez be Rosario's replacement?

Edgy MD Dec 04 2018 07:44 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

It could be. The team has a lotta shortstops in the pipeline, but trading the one that's farthest along means that much more time waiting on develpment.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2018 07:01 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

You *could* bring back Asdrubal for a year or two as a stopgap/mentor for Gimenez... I could absolutely be talked into Rosario for Realmuto.

metirish Dec 05 2018 07:04 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

BVW could be overly aggressive ? I think Rosario is going to come really good and I like his attitude etc, would not want to see him gone.

Centerfield Dec 05 2018 07:06 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Realmuto has surpassed an .800 OPS exactly once. He’s a nice hitter, but not a difference maker. Just keep our young guys and sign Ramos.

Centerfield Dec 05 2018 07:15 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

And tell the Marlins to get the fuck outta here with that Nimmo talk. Nimmo is already a better hitter, younger and more years of control.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 07:23 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Mike Puma wrote: ...the two sides remained far apart on Tuesday, according to an industry source, based largely on the Mets’ reluctance to include Michael Conforto in a deal. The Mets appear willing to use Brandon Nimmo as the centerpiece for the trade, but that likely would not be enough to get Realmuto. The Mets could also look to use Amed Rosario in a deal. What could be holding up Mets’ pursuit of J.T. Realmuto I'd rather they just signed Ramos or Grandal.

Frayed Knot Dec 05 2018 07:36 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

metirish wrote: BVW could be overly aggressive ? I think Rosario is going to come really good and I like his attitude etc, would not want to see him gone. Yup!

Centerfield Dec 05 2018 07:42 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I'm so fucking pissed at the Mets. Since when did "aggressive" become an acceptable justification of stupid moves? Realmuto is a nice hitter, but not a middle of the order threat. Conforto and Nimmo are better hitters. Trading for Realmuto makes us worse. Now sure, corner outfielders are easier to find than catchers, but they still cost money. If you trade Nimmo, or Conforto, or Rosario, you have to make that up someplace. That costs money. Why not just sign a catcher?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 07:44 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!"

smg58 Dec 05 2018 08:20 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!" I think up a lot of WATPs in my head that I know are ridiculous, so I don't bother mentioning them. He actually made one of his happen. On some level, I give him credit. But I'd rather he play mad scientist with somebody else's favorite team.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2018 08:24 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I get the feeling that Brodie is thinking, "Wow! Trading is fun!" That sounds like me every time I start a new OOTP league, just blasting trades all over the place for the heck of it.

Lefty Specialist Dec 05 2018 08:51 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2018 08:54 AM

Centerfield wrote: I'm so fucking pissed at the Mets. Since when did "aggressive" become an acceptable justification of stupid moves? Realmuto is a nice hitter, but not a middle of the order threat. Conforto and Nimmo are better hitters. Trading for Realmuto makes us worse. Now sure, corner outfielders are easier to find than catchers, but they still cost money. If you trade Nimmo, or Conforto, or Rosario, you have to make that up someplace. That costs money. Why not just sign a catcher? This. I'd rather sign Grandal. Marlins are doing everything they can to pump up the Realmuto market (including saying "Oh, we couldn't possibly trade him within the division!), and I'd rather that BVW not play their game.

41Forever Dec 05 2018 08:53 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Did they actually make a trade, or is this all based on an unsourced Mike Puma article about trade discussions? I'd rather they not trade Conforto or Nimmo or even Rosario, but I'll not get outraged until something actually happens. This could all be a bunch of trial balloons, including stuff put out there by the Marlins.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 09:22 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I (mostly) agree with that. There's no harm in talking to the Marlins. In fact, they should talk to the Marlins. But the part about them being "aggressive" in their pursuit of Realmuto is concerning. They need to back off if the price is too high. The reports indicate that Miami asked for Conforto and the Mets said no. If that's true, and if it holds up, it will at least tell us that the Mets aren't fully casting caution to the winds.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2018 09:31 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Nimmo and Conforto should be virtually untouchable, I'd hope. (As should the four starters, more or less.)

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2018 11:02 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

[tweet:15x6rlq4]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1070366674740830208[/tweet:15x6rlq4] Yeah this is another potential trade I hate. Tell the Marlins to fuck off, and go buy Grandal.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2018 11:03 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

A Boy Named Seo wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1070366674740830208[/tweet] Yeah this is another potential trade I hate. Tell the Marlins to fuck off, and go buy Grandal. Hey Marlins - Seth Lugo or GTFO.

41Forever Dec 05 2018 11:07 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Would make more sense to send them back a catcher in the package. Nido or Plawecki and we keep Travis as back up? Send them Travis and we keep Plaw as the backup? Do the Marlins have some hot catching prospect that is pushing JT? (Other that Jeter’s goal of shedding salary and tearing down?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 11:09 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

It's possible that someone like Plawecki would be part of a package for Realmuto, but I'm sure it would be in addition to a Nimmo, not instead of. Would Plawecki and Lugo get it done? I really doubt it.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2018 11:20 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

These guys looking to trade for a catcher (instead of signing Grandal) and their apparent willingness to discuss Nimmo or Conforto sure leads me to believe the AJ Pollock love is real. Truth be told, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have Nimmo, Conforto, and Grandal then 31-year old oft-injured Pollock and Realmuto.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 11:21 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

The rumors are that they're willing to discuss Nimmo but not Conforto.

Centerfield Dec 05 2018 02:48 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Nimmo is a better hitter than Realmuto. He's younger, cheaper, has more years of control, and has the potential to improve even further. In all likelihood, it would cost more than just Nimmo, and you'd lose the prospects too. So the team would get worse, older, more expensive, and hurt the farm system further.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 02:50 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I agree, but to look at it from another angle, Realmuto plays a position that's quite a bit harder to fill. If I were dealing Nimmo for Realmuto, I would try to get a negotiating window to ensure that JT would be locked down for more than two years.

Centerfield Dec 05 2018 03:10 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree, but to look at it from another angle, Realmuto plays a position that's quite a bit harder to fill. If I were dealing Nimmo for Realmuto, I would try to get a negotiating window to ensure that JT would be locked down for more than two years. Yes. It's harder to find good production at catcher. But not this year. Grandal is a better hitter, is only 30, and costs only money and a second round pick. Ramos is 31, but also a good hitter, and costs only money. Not even compensation for Ramos. The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2018 03:11 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I definitely agree with that.

Fman99 Dec 05 2018 03:25 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them. This

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2018 03:46 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Fman99 wrote: Centerfield wrote: The difference between Realmuto and Grandal/Ramos is not enough to justify losing Rosario, or Nimmo or Conforto, or some combination of them. This I concur. Motion carried.

Rockin' Doc Dec 05 2018 08:42 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I would like to have Realmuto behind the plate for the Mets. However, if the Mets trade Conforto, Rosario, or Nimmo in order to get him, then I will be seriously upset. If they trade any 2 (or more) of the three in order to acquire Realmuto, I will lose interest in the team next season. Aside from watching DeGrom or Syndergaard pitch, I would see little reason to spend my time and energy following the team. Life is too short and I don't need the aggravation. I can support a losing team (duh, I'm a Mets fan), but I will not support a stupid regime that seems to have little regard for and seems to take for granted their fans.

41Forever Dec 06 2018 08:37 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Listening to the Shea Anything podcast last night, Martino was saying Realmuto is the best catcher in baseball right now. Is that really the consensus?

Edgy MD Dec 06 2018 08:49 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

If, by "best catcher," we mean to measure him by his defensive contributions, I'd certainly put Wilson Contreras and Salvador Perez ahead of him, at least. Maybe he's got an argument for "best non-Venezuelan catcher."

Benjamin Grimm Dec 06 2018 08:54 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I imagine he means best overall player who's a catcher.

metsmarathon Dec 06 2018 10:30 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

i guess the real question from a valuation standpoint is, is there that much more that realmuto brings to the catching game that the metrics aren't even close to adequately capturing, that would outweigh the fact that nimmo and conforto are superior offensive players, and rosario's defense would be difficult to replace. because that's the only avenue whereby trading nimmo, conforto, or rosario for realmuto makes sense.

Lefty Specialist Dec 06 2018 10:47 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Realmuto isn't enough of a game-changer to warrant losing Conforto or Nimmo/Rosario. It's not like he's Wayfair free shipping or anything.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 06 2018 10:53 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Lefty Specialist wrote: Realmuto isn't enough of a game-changer to warrant losing Conforto or Nimmo/Rosario. It's not like he's Wayfair free shipping or anything. lololol

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2018 10:54 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

The argument for Realuto, if you buy it, is that catcher value is scarce, and that it would be easier to replace Nimmo or Conforto's value at corner outfield than it would be to find a catcher as good as Realmuto. It's not necessarily about whether Realmuto is better than Nimmo or Conforto straight up. The theory is sound. You just have to figure for yourselves whether this trade will work. Btw, the Mets catcher production last year was abysmal. So the position is ripe for improvement. improvement.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 06 2018 11:01 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

The reports we've been getting seem to indicate that the Mets have balked at including Conforto. And some reports have also said that they won't include Rosario. So it seems like it's Nimmo who would be the guy if a deal is to be made.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2018 11:05 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The argument for Realuto, if you buy it, is that catcher value is scarce, and that it would be easier to replace Nimmo or Conforto's value at corner outfield than it would be to find a catcher as good as Realmuto. It's not necessarily about whether Realmuto is better than Nimmo or Conforto straight up. The theory is sound. You just have to figure for yourselves whether this trade will work. Btw, the Mets catcher production last year was abysmal. So the position is ripe for improvement. improvement. Just to illustrate, Realmuto's WAR last year was 4.9. That's all star, borderline MVP level production. How many other catchers WARred at 4.9? How many corner outfielders?

Edgy MD Dec 06 2018 11:49 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Well, that's fair in that he's probably coming off the best season, but a year ago, Gary Sanchez was the man, and now he can't get arrested. I think he needs more of a track record to claim consensus supremacy.

Centerfield Dec 06 2018 12:13 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

It's so frustrating. We're talking about the Realmuto trade because we're fucking broke and can't afford Grandal or Ramos. I don't think anyone realistically believes that Realmuto is worth giving up the names mentioned, but it looks like that's what we're going to end up doing. Brodie may have no money to spend, but he's showing he has no issues burning through Alderson's young core of talented players. To hell with the future. This is what we get for hiring an agent. All dazzle, no substance.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2018 12:24 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

You could say the same thing about Edwin Diaz. The FA market is loaded with quality relievers. You dont have to give up Kellenic and Dunn for a good reliever. And the idea that you blocked the Phillies is just as dumb because they can go out and buy Miller or Familia or any of the others.

Centerfield Dec 06 2018 12:39 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Yeah. That was my big criticism over the Diaz pursuit. Sign a free agent closer. Sign a free agent catcher. Sign a free agent left-handed reliever. If you want to trade prospects, trade Kelenic and Dunn for Nolan Arenado. Then sign him to an extension. You don't need to be creative. You just need to act like a big market team.

HahnSolo Dec 06 2018 01:15 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

And they already have a solid core of still-controllable players (the four starters; plus Gselly and Lugo; plus Diaz; Conforto, Nimmo, McNeil, Rosario; with Alonso coming). That's 11-12 pieces that aren't costing you much. That's good! The Mets should be building on that, not trading them away. Let's go to battle with those 11-12 in place, then they don't even have to break the bank on a Harper or a Machado. If the payroll is not going to be in the same neighborhood as the MFYs/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs, how about signing one (or two) of Miller/Familia/Robertson/Ottavino; one of Grandal/Ramos; one vet 1B to keep Alonso's seat warm (a Reynolds/Adams/Bour type); one vet CF guy as a Cespedes placeholder (Adam Jones on a short deal? John Jay?). Yea, it's not opening up the checkbook like we'd like, but that would fill four spots of need (of varying degrees) by spending a bit. And maybe they show us they're willing to spend at least a little.

seawolf17 Dec 06 2018 01:55 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Grandal costs a draft pick, doesn't he? There's no way the Mets sign him.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 06 2018 01:58 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I hope they don't get hung up on the draft pick. It's a second-rounder that they'd lose (or something like that; I forget the details). It shouldn't be a disincentive. Grandal is the guy I'm hoping is the 2019 Mets catcher.

Mex17 Dec 06 2018 04:08 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Enough guessing, let's crunch the numbers. This is where things stand as of this moment (not counting Wright). . . Cespedes - $29 million Cano - $24 million deGrom - $12.9 million (arbitration estimate) Frazier - $9 million Lagares - $9 million Vargas - $8 million Syndergaard - $5.9 million (arbitration estimate) Wheeler - $5.3 million (arbitration estimate) Conforto - $4.4 million (arbitration estimate) d'Arnaud - $3.7 million (arbitration estimate) Matz - $3 million (arbitration estimate) Plawecki - $1.3 million (arbitration estimate) Alonso - $600,000 Diaz - $600,000 Gsellman - $600,000 Lugo - $600,000 McNeil - $600,000 Nimmo - $600,000 Rivera - $600,000 Rosario - $600,000 remaining 5 spots on the 25 man roster x $600,000 = $3 million That's $123.3 million in committed payroll right now. Subtract the $20 million coming from Seattle and that is $103.3 million. Now let's assume Pollock at $16 million AAV (x 4 years), Grandal at $15 million AAV (x 3 years), and Miller at $11 AAV (x 2 years). That's brings the 2019 payroll to $145.3 million. Subtract the three $600,000 roster spots ($1.8 million) that these three players would occupy and now we are down to $143.5 million. Now let's factor in, in theory, a five year, $130 million extension for deGrom ($26 million AAV. . .$13.1 million more than his 2019 arbitration estimate), and a three year, $30 million extention for Wheeler ($8 million in 2019, $10 million in 2020, $12 million in 2021. . .the $8 million being $2.7 million greater than his 2019 arbitration estimate). That brings us to $159.3 million. That's well within Wilpon range (whether or not we agree with what "Wilpon range" ought to be). There may even be a little more to bring in an Adam Warren type for the bullpen to go along with Diaz and Miller and keep things in the $165 million range. I have confidence that BVW can convince the Wilpons to fork over $165 million. We can afford Grandal and Pollock at the same time. We do not have to pay Jeter's ransom for Realmuto if BVW chooses not to (even though I did want Realmuto at the onset of the offseason). In 2020, we get Frazier, Lagares, and (possibly) Vargas off the books. But we also lose the $20 million Seattle credit, and we will have as of yet undetermined arbitration raises to key players and possibly a deGrom-esque Syndergaard extension to consider. But, if the season is successful on the field (and one more year removed from Madoff), who know what the Wilpons will approve under those circumstances? That is my optimistic take tonight. Who knows what tommorrow will bring?

Centerfield Dec 06 2018 04:26 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I think I read that the $20 million from Seattle will be broken out over time.

Mex17 Dec 06 2018 04:27 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: I think I read that the $20 million from Seattle will be broken out over time. Source?

A Boy Named Seo Dec 06 2018 04:35 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Yah, it's $5M this year and $3.75M each of the next 4 years. it's buried somewhere in CPF land.

Mex17 Dec 06 2018 04:52 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Yah, it's $5M this year and $3.75M each of the next 4 years. it's buried somewhere in CPF land. Then my scenario would then be a $180 million 2019 payroll. It's well under the luxury tax threshold, I can factually state that. The question is if BVW can convince the Wilpons to go there. If he cannot, then maybe they do have to do the Realmuto trade. I don't know. But if I were BVW, I wound insist that Jeter takes d'Arnaud back to even out the money a little. FWIW, the two Realmuto packages that I would consider are as follows. . . -Option A Nimmo, one out of David Peterson/Anthony Kay/Thomas Szapucki, and d'Arnaud for Realmuto and a B/C level prospect. In this scenario, McNeil plays LF, Conforto, shifts over to RF, (Pollock in center) and you sign Granderson back as insurance. -Option B Lugo, Gimenez, and d'Arnaud for the same package back from Miami Here, you keep Nimmo and Conforto right where they are flanking Pollock, and you get Adam Warren to replace Lugo. If Jeter insists upon Nimmo and Gimenez in the same deal I hang up the phone.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2018 04:29 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Jon Heyman wrote: Not sure what the Marlins precise trade request is from Mets for Realmuto. But heard Mets do not want to do Conforto-Nimmo combo, and they don’t want to trade Rosario at all.

Mex17 Dec 09 2018 05:10 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jon Heyman wrote: Not sure what the Marlins precise trade request is from Mets for Realmuto. But heard Mets do not want to do Conforto-Nimmo combo, and they don’t want to trade Rosario at all. Jeter is totally overvaluing Realmuto I think. Conforto and Nimmo?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2018 06:49 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Mex17 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jon Heyman wrote: Not sure what the Marlins precise trade request is from Mets for Realmuto. But heard Mets do not want to do Conforto-Nimmo combo, and they don’t want to trade Rosario at all. Jeter is totally overvaluing Realmuto I think. Conforto and Nimmo? I mean, that's negotiation, right?

smg58 Dec 09 2018 07:21 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

The Marlins are hoping that at least one of the fourteen rumored suitors is totally overvaluing Realmuto, which may turn out to be a reasonable gamble. But I wouldn't trade either outfielder straight up; they both have comparable value for more years under cheap control.

Centerfield Dec 09 2018 07:23 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

My first impression of the Van Wagenen Era: checking my phone and hoping that Brodie hasn’t made a really stupid trade. Sometimes being disappointed.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 06:45 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Ken Rosenthal wrote: #Mets discussing multiple two- and three-team scenarios involving Realmuto and others, sources say. Team continues to place premium on their SP; would move Syndergaard only for big return. Tyson Ross signed today for $5.75M. Syndergaard will not cost much more in 2019.

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 07:53 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

So I get it. Van Wagenen is a salesman. He'll dangle Syndergaard for Realmuto, and everyone will freak the fuck out, and when he signs Martin Maldonado everyone will breathe a sigh of relief.

Mex17 Dec 11 2018 06:03 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/the-latest ... /301719100 Stay tuned. This could go down tonight. Should I go into hiding if this happens? I liked him, but not at the price of Syndergaard straight up. I always viewed Realmuto as a complimentary player, not a franchise player.

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 09:38 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

A guy who doesn’t crack the top tier in OPS cannot be a franchise player.

smg58 Dec 12 2018 08:37 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: A guy who doesn’t crack the top tier in OPS cannot be a franchise player. This. Realmuto is one of the better catchers in the league right now, but he is not Gary Carter or Mike Piazza in their primes.

Centerfield Dec 12 2018 08:49 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

BVW: Wanna bet I can get the fan base to celebrate Martin Maldonado? JW: No way dude. Like how? BVW: So first, I leak that we're going to sign Maldonado, and they get all "No, he sucks, sign someone good." JW: Right... BVW: Then I'm all like "Ok fine. Then I'll trade Nimmo and Conforto for Realmuto..." JW: Wait, but you're not really gonna... BVW: Of course not! And then I throw around the name Conforto and they really freak the fuck out. JW: OMG OMG LOLOL BVW: And wait, then I say I'm going to trade Syndergaard... JW: Stop Brodie, omg, that's too much! BVW: ....and send him to the Yankees in a three way! JW: (stunned silence) BVW: And then boom. I sign Maldonado, and those motherfuckers fucking celebrate! JW: You're a genius. I love you.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2018 09:29 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I hope.

Vic Sage Dec 12 2018 10:48 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I wouldn't mind Rosario (plus pitching prospect) for Realmuto, because a lot of our top prospects are SSs (Giminez, Mauricio, Newton) and Rosario hasn't proven anything yet in the majors, while Realmuto has established himself as the best catcher in baseball at this point. So we'd be filling one hole, with the depth to fill the other. Or we could just sign Machado!

Centerfield Dec 12 2018 11:53 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Vic Sage wrote: Or we could just sign Machado! You have a funny way of spelling "Reyes".

Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2018 12:12 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Or we could just sign Machado! You have a funny way of spelling "Reyes". lol. Watch it happen.

seawolf17 Dec 12 2018 12:21 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Vic Sage wrote: I wouldn't mind Rosario (plus pitching prospect) for Realmuto, because a lot of our top prospects are SSs (Giminez, Mauricio, Newton) and Rosario hasn't proven anything yet in the majors, while Realmuto has established himself as the best catcher in baseball at this point. So we'd be filling one hole, with the depth to fill the other. Or we could just sign Machado! This, absolutely. I'd do Rosario and Lugo for Realmuto, and go back to Cabrera for a year or two at short. But Miami's going to want more than that.

Vic Sage Dec 12 2018 02:14 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

seawolf17 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: I wouldn't mind Rosario (plus pitching prospect) for Realmuto, because a lot of our top prospects are SSs (Giminez, Mauricio, Newton) and Rosario hasn't proven anything yet in the majors, while Realmuto has established himself as the best catcher in baseball at this point. So we'd be filling one hole, with the depth to fill the other. Or we could just sign Machado! This, absolutely. I'd do Rosario and Lugo for Realmuto, and go back to Cabrera for a year or two at short. But Miami's going to want more than that. Trade Rosario + Wheeler + one of our top remaining pitching prospects (Peterson, Szapucki, Kay, Richardson) for 2 years of Realmuto and a draft pick. Then, we put Lugo back in the rotation and sign some relievers (Miller, Ottavino, Robertson), along with either a stopgap SS (until one of our prospects is ready) or go all in on Machado (who can move to 3b in 2020). Nimmo / Lagares Realmuto / Plawecki Machado Cespedes Cano / Giminez Conforto Alonzo/D.Smith McNeil / Frazier P--

Vic Sage Dec 12 2018 02:27 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

but frankly i'd rather just sign Grandal and keep Rosario.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2018 03:25 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Rosario for Realmuto is just a fucking awful trade, in my opinion. It's not that the numbers don't suggest it would be an "upgrade," it's that the idea of flipping a 23 year-old homegrown guy whose best days are likely to come for a free-agent-to-be coming off a career year is just so distasteful, sorta like trading your top draft pick for a 36 year old Yankee steriod cheat

Vic Sage Dec 12 2018 03:37 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Rosario for Realmuto is just a fucking awful trade, in my opinion. It's not that the numbers don't suggest it would be an "upgrade," it's that the idea of flipping a 23 year-old homegrown guy whose best days are likely to come for a free-agent-to-be coming off a career year is just so distasteful, sorta like trading your top draft pick for a 36 year old Yankee steriod cheat yeah, except for being nothing like that. Realmuto is 27, not 36, with 2 full years of control remaining. He's not coming off a "career year"; his last season was just one more year of increasing productivity, with each year better than the last, resulting in an all-star and silver slugger season. He's just entering his prime and there is no reason to think he can't maintain or even continue to increase his production. Rosario is 23 and, he is all projection with little production so far. Yes, we would have 5 years of control, but if he doesn't live up to his projections, what good are they? Sure, he's got talent, but he wouldn't be the first prospect not to pan out. If you can get a 27-year old all-star catcher for him, i think you do that. I just don't think the Marlins would do that. Even Jeter's not that stupid. We'd have to include some other prospects, at least.

Vic Sage Dec 12 2018 03:38 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

and, as i said, i'd rather keep Rosario and sign Grandal. That just costs money, and it doesn't create another hole to fill.

Mex17 Dec 12 2018 03:50 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2018 04:12 PM

I can live with Nimmo or Rosario (preferably Nimmo and absolutely not both) plus Peterson if you can iron clad guarantee to me that they also sign Pollock and Marwin Gonzalez (assuming Harper/Machado are really out of the equation). McNeil and Gonzalez would provide a lot of flexibility. But you really need to cross your fingers and hope Pollock stays healthy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2018 03:58 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Vic Sage wrote: and, as i said, i'd rather keep Rosario and sign Grandal. That just costs money, and it doesn't create another hole to fill. In agreement with you there. I don't trust catchers in general, they seem to me to be hard to develop, hard to predict, fragile and even for the good ones, so much rides on defense. I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't upgrade but if the Marlins drive too hard a bargain then there's options still out there, and we still got guys who can fake it till July when maybe you've got a better idea if Gimenez is anything, if Rosario shows the ability to improve (as he did over the 2nd half last season) and whether the team that traded for Realmuto is ready to do their own flipshow.

smg58 Dec 12 2018 04:46 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

There are enough parallels between Rosario's 2018 and Jose Reyes' 2005 that I'd be reluctant to part with Rosario. Obviously there's no guarantee you'll get the same results, but if the light switch clicks on I want him wearing a Mets uniform when it happens.

Centerfield Dec 12 2018 05:11 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Vic Sage wrote: and, as i said, i'd rather keep Rosario and sign Grandal. That just costs money, and it doesn't create another hole to fill. In agreement with you there. I don't trust catchers in general, they seem to me to be hard to develop, hard to predict, fragile and even for the good ones, so much rides on defense. I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't upgrade but if the Marlins drive too hard a bargain then there's options still out there, and we still got guys who can fake it till July when maybe you've got a better idea if Gimenez is anything, if Rosario shows the ability to improve (as he did over the 2nd half last season) and whether the team that traded for Realmuto is ready to do their own flipshow. And even if Realmuto is at his best, he's not someone that scares you in the middle of the lineup. Trade packages like the ones the Marlins are asking for are the ones you put together for game changers. Nolan Arenado. Kris Bryant. Even Paul Goldschmidt. Realmuto doesn't hit over .300 (Ok he hit .303 once), doesn't eclipse an OBP of .350, and has hit 20 HR's once (21 as a career high last year).

Mex17 Dec 12 2018 05:24 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: And even if Realmuto is at his best, he's not someone that scares you in the middle of the lineup. Trade packages like the ones the Marlins are asking for are the ones you put together for game changers. Nolan Arenado. Kris Bryant. Even Paul Goldschmidt. Realmuto doesn't hit over .300 (Ok he hit .303 once), doesn't eclipse an OBP of .350, and has hit 20 HR's once (21 as a career high last year). He is a #2 or a #6 complimentary hitter whose defense adds to his WAR. Absolutely a solid addition to a good team that has playoff aspirations. For the right price. And maybe I am rationalizing, but by bet is that BVW probably can make up for the loss of Rosario and Nimmo with two to three FA signings for the lineup/bench and still have a good team with Gimenez a year to year and a half away. But that still does not justify the price going to Miami.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2018 06:29 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

smg58 wrote: ... if the light switch clicks on I want [Rosario] wearing a Mets uniform when it happens. And the light started to burn a bit starting in August: ~.285/.318/.415 over the final 240 PA of his season As much as I'd like Realmuto, if Rosario wasn't a SS and didn't just turn 23 and wasn't just an off-season removed from being an across the board Top-10 prospect in baseball, I'd be less skittish about dealing him.

Centerfield Dec 12 2018 07:19 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

I can understand Realmuto for Rosario. Realmuto has already met his potential but has fewer years of control. Rosario hasn’t met his, but has shown good signs, and is young with five years left. Realmuto is more valuable to a contender, Rosario to a rebuilder. For a team like the Mets, it comes down to plugging one hole or another. They have no internal options at either position. If you trade Rosario, how do you replace him? Other than Machado, which I don’t see them doing, there are few options. Cabrera I guess. Or some of those glove guys from the other thread. But at catcher, you have Grandal, and Ramos and maybe others available via trade. A true “win now” club would seriously consider these. The Mets are not serious about contending, so it is what it is.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 12:40 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

New York Post wrote: According to reports, including by The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal, the Mets have talked to the Padres about a potential deal that would include Realmuto going to Queens, Syndergaard to San Diego and Padres prospects to the Marlins. Padres emerge in Mets’ possible Syndergaard, Realmuto 3-way trade And according to reports as the winter meetings finished up in Las Vegas on Thursday, this potential Mets, San Diego and Miami swap is also not close, but again shows the Mets’ strong desire to find a way to get Realmuto, whom they have coveted since last offseason. Any deal that comes down to, from the Mets perspective, Syndergaard for Realmuto, really doesn't make sense. I would think that someone from the Padres would have to come to the Mets too. Hopefully this is just another dead end.

Centerfield Dec 13 2018 12:42 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Especially since we have no free agent starters available anymore. Someone else mentioned in another thread that I would guess that our window to trade Noah has closed.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2018 02:58 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Six teams are said to be in pursuit of Realmuto: Mets, Reds, Rays, Braves, Dodgers, Padres Multiple suitors has a habit of driving up the price and, as always with these imagined deals, you've got to be willing to walk away if and when the cost gets too high. In this case one just hopes that they don't get so crazy-fixated on this one target that they decide it's worth it to pay any price, bear any burden, oppose any foe, etc. So in conclusion and to continue the JFK theme I've got going here I implore the Brodie Bunch to ask not what a Realmuto trade can do for the Mets, but ask also what it will take from the Mets.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2018 06:41 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Joel Sherman lays out the case for why teams think Realmuto is so valuable.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 06:56 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

If the Mets eventually get Realmuto I nominate, for his nickname, "Jeweled Squid". (For my nickname methodology, read the article linked above.) A guy I work with told me that Realmuto can't be that good, because he went to a Marlins game last year and somebody else was catching.

G-Fafif Dec 13 2018 07:20 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: A guy I work with told me that Realmuto can't be that good, because he went to a Marlins game last year and somebody else was catching. You work with that San Diego writer who didn't vote for deGrom?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2018 09:36 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Why the hell is BVW so compelled to (A) bring in Realmuto over all other available catcher options and (B) trade Noah Fucking Syndergaard?

Centerfield Dec 13 2018 09:55 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Why the hell is BVW so compelled to (A) bring in Realmuto over all other available catcher options and (B) trade Noah Fucking Syndergaard? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Rockin' Doc Dec 14 2018 06:34 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: Someone else mentioned in another thread that I would guess that our window to trade Noah has closed. I sincerely hope that is the case.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 08:44 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Kristie Ackert reporting that it was the Marlins who "aggressively shot down the idea of a three-team deal that would bring All-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto to Flushing and send Noah Syndergaard to the Bronx." If true, I'd interpret this to mean that Miami didn't like the package that the Yankees would have sent to Miami, and now they're looking to the Padres to come up with a package that the Marlins would like.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 08:47 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

She also reports that for a two-team deal with the Marlins for Realmuto, the Mets don't want to include Rosario and the Marlins are "intrigued by the prospect of acquiring Nimmo."

Centerfield Dec 14 2018 09:18 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Kristie Ackert reporting that it was the Marlins who "aggressively shot down the idea of a three-team deal that would bring All-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto to Flushing and send Noah Syndergaard to the Bronx." If true, I'd interpret this to mean that Miami didn't like the package that the Yankees would have sent to Miami, and now they're looking to the Padres to come up with a package that the Marlins would like. This is alarming. Not just because I hate the idea of moving Syndergaard, but what it says about the judgment of Brodie in general. I think he was badly fleeced in the Cano-Diaz trade. I think any trade involving Syndergaard for Realmuto would be an unmitigated disaster. I wish the press would stop enabling this guy and calling him bold and courageous and all that other garbage.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 02:51 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

The Mets’ one-on-one talks with the Marlins, who have other suitors for Realmuto, have centered around Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, a source said. One of those players — not multiple — would be the headliner. Among prospects Miami has been keen on: shortstops Andres Gimenez and Ronny Mauricio and third baseman Mark Vientos. Winter meetings are done, but Mets still trying to deal for J.T. Realmuto

Mex17 Dec 15 2018 08:46 AM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

He hasn't been traded anywhere else, at least not yet. I find that oddly curious.

Centerfield Dec 16 2018 07:58 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

So happy to put this thread to bed. I get that JT is talented and is just entering his prime. And I believe he will be better than Ramos over these next two years. But he won’t be better than Ramos and any two of Nimmo/Conforto/Rosario. Gimenez or Kay, I can see building a package around them. I don’t know who else is left in play pursuing Miami, but I wonder if the criticism of giving away too much last year caused Jeter to overplay his hand here.

Centerfield Dec 16 2018 08:00 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

And to clarify, I think Miami can do better than Gimenez and Kay. But that’s who I would have been comfortable giving away. Miami has no use for JT. They need to move him.

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 08:05 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 17 2018 06:07 AM

Well, they are up the creek now. Also, I get the sense that we are going to be hearing about Realmuto long after he is dome playing. Sounds like he has "future manager" written all over him. It would not surprise me if we are talking about him again in two years when he hits free agency going into his age 30 season.

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 08:11 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: . . .but I wonder if the criticism of giving away too much last year caused Jeter to overplay his hand here. How long until we can start talking in terms of Jeter being the "Isaiah Thomas of baseball"? Too soon?

Edgy MD Dec 27 2018 07:24 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Edgy MD wrote: My crystal ball suggests the Mets are more likely to bring in a Wilson — either Ramos or Contreras. Unsure what the Cubs might want in a deal for a young, all-star catcher who also plays the infield corners and the outfield corners, I'm guessing Ramos. Holy shit, my crystal ball was right!

Frayed Knot Dec 27 2018 07:31 PM Re: Seems like Mex17 really wants to talk Realmuto

Mex17 wrote: How long until we can start talking in terms of Jeter being the "Isaiah Thomas of baseball"? Wouldn't he have to bankrupt the minor leagues first? Not talking about just the teams in his own minor leagues system, but the whole damn thing!