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Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2018 11:43 AM

Roessler whacked.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2018 12:35 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Thus lowers the curtain on Roessle Mania. It's too bad they waited until Jeremy Reed was off the market.

metirish Nov 05 2018 01:44 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Roessler was so unassuming and lowkey I have a hard time picturing him ....

Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2018 01:48 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

He looks something like this:

Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2018 01:49 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Mike Puma wrote: Hearing that Mets bullpen coach Ricky Bones will be reassigned within the organization. As @Joelsherman1 said, hitting coach Pat Roessler will not return. Assistant hitting coach Tom Slater will remain in his current role.

Ceetar Nov 05 2018 01:51 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

This is probably residual Callaway stuff rather than Van Wagenen right? He mostly kept the staff in place, but now that he's a little more settled he's going to adjust.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2018 02:45 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Sounds like Ruin Tomorrow Jr. and Gary DiSarcina could also be out of work

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:19 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Ceetar wrote: This is probably residual Callaway stuff rather than Van Wagenen right? My initial reaction is the opposite, that BVW is coming in and looking at it fresh.

Mex17 Nov 05 2018 03:20 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Mike Puma wrote: Assistant hitting coach Tom Slater will remain in his current role. Don't get this part. Shouldn't the new hitting coach get to choose his assistant?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2018 04:04 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Mex17 wrote: Mike Puma wrote: Assistant hitting coach Tom Slater will remain in his current role. Don't get this part. Shouldn't the new hitting coach get to choose his assistant? When you find someone who's that good at scheduling bunting drills, supervising the arranging of batting helmets, and occasionally throwing a round of batting practice... how the h-e-double-BP-screens are you going to let that walk out the door?

Edgy MD Nov 05 2018 04:45 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Assistant batting coach usually hangs out in the clubhouse during games, as players file back to take extra robot BP in the cage between innings. "Stay back!" "Don't overcommit!" I get the feeling that they're not particularly easy to fire, even when their boss gets the heave-ho (Roessler only got the hitting coach job when his superior rolled), because the manager realizes he's scarcely seen or talked to the guy in months so it seems unfair to just fire him when you haven't really directly evaluated him. My guess is that he's welcome back, but if the new batting instructor wants to go in a different direction, he gets re-assigned. I wonder if Amaro applied for the GM job and didn't get an interview.

metirish Nov 05 2018 07:17 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

DiComo saying Amaro Jr moving to the Front Office as an advisor

Edgy MD Nov 05 2018 09:18 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

That's what I was thinking. He wouldn't be the first executive that joined an organization initially as a coach, getting a front row look at the talent and processes and philosophies, and then moving up to management.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2018 09:28 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

They're not saying it but he replaces JP Riccardi, probably

Ceetar Nov 06 2018 07:47 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

I always feel like the Amaro thing (And the Collins thing) are really just "hey, sit in the meetings with us and we'll keep paying you" and a way to keep feelers out. Amaro probably has a network of contacts outside the Mets usuals and it's worth keeping him around just to occasionally ask "Hey Ruben, can you call So and So and ask him what he thinks about 'player in the Phillies system'" or some jazz.

smg58 Nov 08 2018 06:53 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Would David Wright get offered/accept/be good at the hitting coach job?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2018 07:03 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

no. I think I heard Chili Davis will get an interview. Chili Davis!

seawolf17 Nov 08 2018 07:17 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: no. I think I heard Chili Davis will get an interview. Chili Davis! Chili Davis, looking at his numbers, was actually way better than I remembered. * In sixteen seasons from 1982 to 1997, he played less than 137 games only three times. Then he was hurt, I guess, in 1998 for a bit, but then played another full season in 1999 and hit .269/.366/.445. * In his eighteen full seasons, only once did he finish below the league average in OPS, and his career OPS+ was 121. * He has three rings - 1991 with the Twins, and 1998 and 1999 with whoever won those years. He's nowhere near the Hall or anything, but he was a damn good player for a really long time. And for what it's worth: * He coached the 2012-2014 A's, making the playoffs all three seasons and scoring more than 700 runs, which they didn't do again until 2017 And in 2013, Josh Donaldson had 7.7 WAR, and in 2014, he had 7.5 WAR. * In 2015, he jumped to Boston, and they went from 3.91 R/G in 2014 to 4.62, 5.42, then 4.85 R/G in his three seasons there. And won the division two of those seasons. * The Cubs last year made the playoffs, at least. So the dude's coached seven seasons, six of them to the postseason. I think I'm all in on Chili Davis.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2018 07:51 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2018 10:56 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Chili was also a switch-hitter (despite the above cards showing him strictly as a lefty) ... for whatever that's worth as a hitting coach.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2018 11:54 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

I also saw they were considering the leadoff man himself, Dave Magadan

Centerfield Nov 08 2018 12:06 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Frayed Knot wrote: Chili was also a switch-hitter (despite the above cards showing him strictly as a lefty) ... for whatever that's worth as a hitting coach. And as the splits will show, he was much better at gazing intently from the left side than he was from the right.

Centerfield Nov 08 2018 12:08 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

I mean, look at him from the right side. Very poor gazing mechanics.

Centerfield Nov 08 2018 12:11 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

This one from straight away. Chili Davis does a lot of gazing.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2018 12:14 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

He's probably thinking about chili. For the record, his given name isn't "chili". It's "Charles Theodore Davis". I seem to remember that his nickname is short for "Chili Bowl", perhaps because of a haircut that he got? At least I think that that's the story that Tim McCarver told on Channel 9 back in the 1980s. If not, someone will have to explain the nickname methodology here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2018 12:24 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

That's the same story I recall. I sometime conflate him with Jeffrey Leonard

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2018 02:15 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Chili is also a rarity in baseball in that he hails from the island of Jamaica, a much more likely place to find sprinters or reggae singers than baseballers. BB-Ref lists only four Jamaican-born ML'ers. Davis I knew, Devon White I didn't, the other two I don't remember. All four attended U.S. high schools: Davis in LA, pitcher Justin Masterson (who's white) in Ohio, and the other two in NYC; White (who's not white) at Park West HS (CPW & 103rd) and Rolando Roomes (Beach Channel HS in Rockaway)

smg58 Nov 09 2018 11:23 AM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

What is Lamar Johnson doing these days? He served here in an interim fashion in 2014 I think, and a few guys perked up under his watch (Lucas Duda most notably).

Edgy MD Nov 09 2018 12:10 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That's the same story I recall. I sometime conflate him with Jeffrey Leonard I conflate him with Candy Moldanado. Longtime West Coast corner outfielders who made for a tasty snack.

Ceetar Nov 09 2018 12:12 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Edgy MD wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That's the same story I recall. I sometime conflate him with Jeffrey Leonard I conflate him with Candy Moldanado. Longtime West Coast corner outfielders who made for a tasty snack. wait...you think mold candy is tasty?

Centerfield Nov 09 2018 12:26 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Edgy MD wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: That's the same story I recall. I sometime conflate him with Jeffrey Leonard I conflate him with Candy Moldanado. Longtime West Coast corner outfielders who made for a tasty snack. If you recall, Chili Davis and Candy Maldonado were the center of intense controversy when MLB named its "All-Time All-Food" team. Chili, like Vinegar Bend Mizell, was disqualified. Chili being a nickname. But Candy was named to the team, despite his real name being "Candido". The committee felt "Candy" was the natural nickname of "Candido", while "Chili" was ruled not to "reasonably derive" from the base name "Charles". Fans of Davis felt like his exclusion was arbitrary, if nicknames were allowed. Other purists, like Jim Rice, felt nicknames of any sort should be disallowed. Intense protests ensued. Similar to that of the Matt Harvey pee covers.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2018 12:34 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Chet Lemon, Darryl Strawberry, and Jim Rice would make a nice outfield, as well as a tasty snack. Strawberry Lemon Rice Crispies

Centerfield Nov 09 2018 12:37 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Ruben Sierra. Disqualified over the "e". All guys named "Frank": Disqualified unless the Frank is actually short for "Frankfurter".

Edgy MD Nov 09 2018 03:12 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Coco Crisp: Awarded lifetime membership on this team.

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2018 03:15 PM Re: Let's Talk About Our Next Hitting Coach

Zach Wheat and Ty Cobb are in the all-food team Hall of Fame (as well as that less prestigious one in Cooperstown)