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Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2018 11:17 AM

The Padres are apparently world serious about getting him in a trade. Tracky suggests a deal could be built around Fernando Tatis Jr., which would make sense given Omar's string-pulling. https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-noah- ... /300818780 It's interesting. I like Syndy a lot, but he's been injured a lot too, and a perhaps a controlled explosion is what the Mets need.

bmfc1 Nov 16 2018 11:27 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I thought that they want to win next year. If so, then why trade a high quality pitcher? They would want Fernando Tatis, Jr. but he was in AA next year so that would be a trade for the future.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 16 2018 11:30 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

You'll love him even less when he blows his arm out and has that practically inevitable TJ surgery. I'd trade him for a comparable hitter with the same ceiling every day of the week. I wouldn't have said this two years ago but times change.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2018 11:44 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

He's also somebody who has never quite gotten the lesson of Matt Harvey, carrying himself as if he's bullet proof, not knowing Karma is coming at the back of his head like a massive hammer.

HahnSolo Nov 16 2018 11:51 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If Tatis is really one of the top prospects in baseball (and IIRC Keith Law had him #1 at some point recently), and you're getting Tatis plus? That feels like a trade you really have to consider. And I'm not advocating to just trade Noah for the sake of trading him--even though in the last week I've been ready to deal him to the Cubs and now the Padres--but I'm getting tired of the perception from Mets twitter and FB that you can't trade starters because we should build the team around them. Well it's been five years and I'm still waiting. Our top three starters last year were great and where did it get us? I also don't expect the FO to open their wallets in FA, so I'm open to trying to get creative with trade partners.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 11:51 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Jim Duquette yesterday on Mets Hot Stove suggested a similar trade, of Noah to the Padres for Tatis Jr. and a pitcher. I forget the pitcher's name, but he was someone that Duquette said could be ready for a big-league rotation shortly into the 2019 season. He's also the son of a former major leaguer.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 11:54 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

This is the pitcher that Duquette mentioned: Cal Quantrill

Centerfield Nov 16 2018 12:25 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I don't see how trading Syndergaard helps us win now. Either win now and go for it, or win tomorrow and tear it down. Jesus.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:27 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Duquette said that Tatis would be ready to be promoted about a month in to the regular season. I don't know... he's 19 years old (turns 20 in January) and has not yet played above AA.

seawolf17 Nov 16 2018 12:47 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Duquette said that Tatis would be ready to be promoted about a month in to the regular season. I don't know... he's 19 years old (turns 20 in January) and has not yet played above AA. And yet, guys like Soto and Acuna have done it. So it's not impossible.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2018 12:53 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

He's real good, was killing it it in AA before a thumb injury. 5-tool kinda player, wonder if he'd play 3rd like dad. Brown-and-yellow pajama wearing fish taco eating kool-aid guzzlers in San Diego assume Tatis and high drafted lefty pitcher MacKenize Gore are "off the table" in trade talks and suggest C Austin Hedges and relievers like Kirby Yates, though that sounds to me more like a Seth Lugo package.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:54 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

seawolf17 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Duquette said that Tatis would be ready to be promoted about a month in to the regular season. I don't know... he's 19 years old (turns 20 in January) and has not yet played above AA. And yet, guys like Soto and Acuna have done it. So it's not impossible. Certainly not impossible. But I'm not sure how much you can count on it.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:55 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He's real good, was killing it it in AA before a thumb injury. 5-tool kinda player, wonder if he'd play 3rd like dad. That's what Duquette suggested. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Brown-and-yellow pajama wearing fish taco eating kool-aid guzzlers in San Diego assume Tatis and high drafted lefty pitcher MacKenize Gore are "off the table" in trade talks and suggest C Austin Hedges and relievers like Kirby Yates, though that sounds to me more like a Seth Lugo package. Okay, then. That means I want to insist on Tatis and Gore! Gore is also 19, but hasn't pitched above Single A. If Syndergaard is leaving, I would want the deal to include a big-league starter for 2019.

seawolf17 Nov 16 2018 01:04 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Wil Myers' contract is super weird. 6 years/$83M (2017-22), plus 2023 club option signed extension with San Diego 1/17/17 (avoided arbitration, $4M-$3.4M) $15M signing bonus 17:$2M, 18:$2M, 19:$3M, 20:$20M, 21:$20M, 22:$20M, 23:$20M club option ($1M buyout) I'm assuming those first three years would still be arb-eligible years? That's a really weird backload.

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2018 01:54 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Just by coinkydink, Baseball Prospectus came out with their Padres prospect list today!! - although it's just a raw list and the analysis is hidden behind their pay wall. - Tatis is #1 and he'll be Top-10 across the whole sport when the full lists come out later this winter. - Quantrill isn't mentioned even though he was on some top-50 lists last year, was a #8 overall draft pick in 2016, should be relatively polished coming out of Stanford and as the son of a ML'er. Not sure if something set him back this year or what. - Gore was the #3 overall pick but a year later and out of HS. Sounds like he'd maybe be a higher ceiling but also younger and a considerably less ready option as compared to Quantrill - The other name I've heard before in potential trade talks involving the Pads is the catcher Francisco Mejia. Just turned 23, has had cups of java in ML w/both Cleveland & SD, was dealt mid-season to SD in the deal bringing the Injuns reliever Brad Hand

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2018 02:05 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If Tatis is really one of the top prospects in baseball (and IIRC Keith Law had him #1 at some point recently), and you're getting Tatis plus? That feels like a trade you really have to consider. #2 overall in MLB's (Jonathan Mayo & Jim Callis) mid-season 2018 update, behind only Vladdy Junior Their write-up: [Tatis] made an immediate impact in his pro debut, finishing the season as a 17-year-old in the Class A Short-Season Northwest League, and then emerged as a top-flight prospect in 2017 as he became the first 18-year-old in Midwest League history to post at least 20 home runs and 20 stolen bases. Perhaps even more impressive was how Tatis Jr. handled himself after making the jump directly to Double-A San Antonio in August, and he continued to draw raves in his return to level in 2018 before undergoing season-ending surgery for a fractured thumb in late July. Tatis Jr. has all the ingredients to become an offensive force in the Majors, as his bat speed, leveraged swing and overall capacity to make adjustments all portend a future plus hitter with plus power. He proved vulnerable to spin and sequencing early in the year but tightened his approach as the season progressed en route to pacing the Midwest League with 75 walks. Many evaluators believe Tatis Jr. is merely scraping the surface of his offensive potential, as he still has considerable room to grow into his tall and athletic frame. That larger frame doesn't currently impede Tatis Jr.'s abilities at shortstop, where he makes highlight-reel plays on a daily basis thanks to his athleticism, range and rocket arm, though further physical development could ultimately force him to third base. Even if that's case, Tatis Jr.'s bat gives him the ceiling of a perennial All-Star, possibly even an MVP candidate in his prime.

Centerfield Nov 16 2018 02:32 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If Tatis is really one of the top prospects in baseball (and IIRC Keith Law had him #1 at some point recently), and you're getting Tatis plus? That feels like a trade you really have to consider. #2 overall in MLB's (Jonathan Mayo & Jim Callis) mid-season 2018 update, behind only Vladdy Junior Their write-up: [Tatis] made an immediate impact in his pro debut, finishing the season as a 17-year-old in the Class A Short-Season Northwest League, and then emerged as a top-flight prospect in 2017 as he became the first 18-year-old in Midwest League history to post at least 20 home runs and 20 stolen bases. Perhaps even more impressive was how Tatis Jr. handled himself after making the jump directly to Double-A San Antonio in August, and he continued to draw raves in his return to level in 2018 before undergoing season-ending surgery for a fractured thumb in late July. Tatis Jr. has all the ingredients to become an offensive force in the Majors, as his bat speed, leveraged swing and overall capacity to make adjustments all portend a future plus hitter with plus power. He proved vulnerable to spin and sequencing early in the year but tightened his approach as the season progressed en route to pacing the Midwest League with 75 walks. Many evaluators believe Tatis Jr. is merely scraping the surface of his offensive potential, as he still has considerable room to grow into his tall and athletic frame. That larger frame doesn't currently impede Tatis Jr.'s abilities at shortstop, where he makes highlight-reel plays on a daily basis thanks to his athleticism, range and rocket arm, though further physical development could ultimately force him to third base. Even if that's case, Tatis Jr.'s bat gives him the ceiling of a perennial All-Star, possibly even an MVP candidate in his prime. If he's better than his father, we are looking at 3 grand slams in one inning.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 02:36 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

And what if he's better than his mother?

Frayed Knot Nov 16 2018 03:19 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: If he's better than his father, we are looking at 3 grand slams in one inning. Off the same pitcher!

Centerfield Nov 16 2018 03:25 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I find it one of the weird quirks of baseball that we ended up having both Tatis and Park as Mets. Two guys linked forever by a memorable play, both end up as Mets. Others: Robin Ventura gets pummeled by Nolan Ryan. Jesse Orosco strikes out Kevin Bass to end '86 NLCS. Left Davey Johnson making the last out in '69 off the list since he was never a Met as a player.

G-Fafif Nov 16 2018 08:22 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: I find it one of the weird quirks of baseball that we ended up having both Tatis and Park as Mets. Two guys linked forever by a memorable play, both end up as Mets. Others: Robin Ventura gets pummeled by Nolan Ryan. Jesse Orosco strikes out Kevin Bass to end '86 NLCS. Left Davey Johnson making the last out in '69 off the list since he was never a Met as a player. Elio Chacon and Willie Mays went at it in 1962. Ten years later, Mays was a Met...and Elio Chacon was ten years older.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2018 10:16 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Syndergaard is a top-10 starter in the game at age 26, with potential for improvement and three years of arbitration still ahead of him. He's a cheap, superlative known quantity, a win-now piece AND A future-star piece. The price should START at Tatis and another top prospect (Mejia, Gore), and should likely include Quantrill besides.

smg58 Nov 17 2018 04:34 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

The Padres have a talent surplus at catcher and centerfield, too. I'd be shocked if Tatis is seriously on the table, but you have to listen if he is.

Mex17 Nov 17 2018 06:38 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I don't like it. You have a freshly minted Cy Young award winner in his prime right now. This is no time to be waiting for 19 year old prospects to bloom. I am all for that when the time is right, but this is not that time. They need to be playing to win now.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2018 09:48 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

And apropos of this thread --- is Syndergaard on the trading block? https://www.amazinavenue.com/2018/11/17 ... -the-block ___ I wonder if the Mets might do a stealth rebuild this off-season? That is, rebuild or some form of a teardown, but without labeling the move as such? You know, to try and fool the fans because you just know that the incompetent owners don't have the balls to rebuild even if they'd like to, and even if that's the advice they're getting. Whatever they do, it'll likely be a half-assed half-measured execution where they don't rebuild and teardown all the way, guaranteeing that they won't compete near term while their prospects for fielding a strong team two or three years into the future are going to be murkier than normal odds say they oughtta be. And if they try to contend this season, it'll be with a coupl'a new Michael Cuddyer style pickups. I think there's creedence to that idea that the new GM is on a honeymoon period and gets a new slate and perhaps, under those conditions, the owners might spend more than they're prone to spend. But I'm not counting on it. I'd bet same old, same old. TBD

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2018 10:46 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

They will make some kind of crowd pleasing ticket selling move, I'm confident. I am also confident they won't really bother to do so in the context of a real plan. A teardown or stealth rebuilding are always in the fans minds but I don't believe the club ever thinks in those terms. They will cut every corner.

41Forever Nov 17 2018 12:42 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I'm feeling pretty optimistic. You have a new GM with a different and controversial background. He's going to want to show he can make an impact. I think this is the year they'll let him see what he can do.

d'Kong76 Nov 17 2018 12:57 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

41Forever wrote: I think this is the year they'll let him see what he can do. A short leash and constant looking over the shoulder by Fredjeff is more likely.

Rockin' Doc Nov 17 2018 07:30 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I'm expecting window dressing and lip service this off season. I don't expect any substantial moves from VA and the Wilpons.

bmfc1 Nov 18 2018 08:48 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

From Ken Rosenthal today in The Athletic: If​ the Mets trade right-hander Noah Syndergaard, it​ will​ not​ be​ for​ a package of​ high-end​ prospects.​ Or​ at​ least,​​ that will not be the end game. The Mets, intent on improving in both 2019 and beyond, are unwilling to take a step backward next season, according to major-league sources. So, if they move Syndergaard or any of their other starting pitchers – all of whom are drawing trade interest, sources say – their goal will be to wind up with a better roster short- and long-term. That could mean acquiring major leaguers as part of the return. It could mean flipping some of the prospects in the deal for another asset. It could mean signing a free-agent starting pitcher to “back-fill” the rotation. https://theathletic.com/661083/2018/11/ ... questions/

Centerfield Nov 18 2018 09:24 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

This is stupid. Just sign some hitters.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2018 09:44 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: This is stupid. Just sign some hitters. Yeah, that's the problem. Can't have both.

Centerfield Nov 18 2018 11:44 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I fear that “aggressive” won’t mean move aggressively to improve the team. It will mean make stupid trades where our best result is to tread water. While keeping payroll at its current level.

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 05:08 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

This is not a rumor, just an example of what I would accept as a situation where they would move Syndergaard. . . Sign Keuchel, Eovaldi, or Morton first. Then offer Syndergaard and Frazier to Houston in exchange for Bregman and a mid-tier pitching prospect. I doubt that the Astros would do it, but that is the type of thing that I would be alright with in theory.

smg58 Nov 19 2018 07:15 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I can only react so much to rumors. Let's see what actually happens. I'm not in principle against trading Thor, it's just that I can't see too many scenarios where it would make the 2019 team better. I'm also not ready for a teardown, either. And there are two free agent third basemen (counting Machado) I would rather have than the best free agent starting pitcher. (And I would rather have Syndergaard than the best available starting pitcher, too.)

Centerfield Nov 19 2018 07:51 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Kevin Kernan in the Post: https://nypost.com/2018/11/19/noah-synd ... all-wrong/ The starting pitching is the Mets’ only strength right now. Don’t weaken it by trading Syndergaard. How about strengthening it by going out on the free-agent market and picking up more talent, more offense, more defense? I guess in theory, it's possible that a trade exists what will make the Mets better now as well as the future. It would mean that they get a player (or players) that collectively outweigh the value provided by Syndergaard now, as well as in future years. Which I guess means that the target players are younger. But Noah is pretty damn good right now. And he's young, and under team control for the next three years. So why would another team give up a player (or players) who are better and younger? My biggest fear is that they make a stupid trade that will improve one of the other areas, cost us Noah Fucking Syndergaard, then that will be the justification for not increasing payroll.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2018 12:25 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Sources: As they consider Noah Syndergaard trade, Mets exploring free agent pitching options to replace him Andy Martino wrote: Trading Syndergaard -- which is no sure thing to happen, even though the Mets are exploring it -- would only be one piece in a larger strategy. The Mets could obtain a package of prospects and major leaguers for Syndergaard, then replace him with a free agent such as Patrick Corbin, J.A. Happ, Dallas Keuchel, or Nathan Eovaldi. Andy Martino wrote: The Mets are not close to signing any of these pitchers, and would likely have to make a trade before doing so. But GM Brodie Van Wagenen has been in touch with the agents for many free agent starters, keeping a dialogue open in case of a vacancy.

Centerfield Nov 19 2018 12:37 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Sources: As they consider Noah Syndergaard trade, Mets exploring free agent pitching options to replace him Andy Martino wrote: Trading Syndergaard -- which is no sure thing to happen, even though the Mets are exploring it -- would only be one piece in a larger strategy. The Mets could obtain a package of prospects and major leaguers for Syndergaard, then replace him with a free agent such as Patrick Corbin, J.A. Happ, Dallas Keuchel, or Nathan Eovaldi. Andy Martino wrote: The Mets are not close to signing any of these pitchers, and would likely have to make a trade before doing so. But GM Brodie Van Wagenen has been in touch with the agents for many free agent starters, keeping a dialogue open in case of a vacancy. It's cute how Andy Martino still writes like he's a reporter, and not on the payroll of the Wilpons.

Fman99 Nov 19 2018 01:28 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Yeah, trade the good young players. Makes perfect fucking sense.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2018 01:34 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Well, it might make sense, if they get multiple good young players in return. They certainly shouldn't trade him for a Ben Zobrist, but if they could get a younger guy who projects to be an MVP type? (This is what they're saying about Tatis Jr.) It's a risk of course, but given that Noah has missed big chunks of the last two seasons, it's also a risk for the team that's getting him. I don't know what my preference is here. I'm glad I don't have to make these kinds of decisions. I hope that the guy who does knows what he's doing. That, of course, remains to be seen.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2018 02:04 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Maybe the closest parallel I can come up with was the Pirates trading Gerrit Cole to Houston 11 months ago. - The 2017 Pirates (74 wins) and the 2018 Mets (77) were coming off similar seasons. Pirates improved by 7 games this past year minus their ace pitcher - Syndergaard currently has one extra year of club control (three) as compared to Cole at the time he was dealt (two) - Cole had 127 ML starts to his name when dealt with 59 Wins, 3.50 ERA, 1.22 WHIP; Syndergaard currently sitting at 86 / 37 / 3.03 / 1.21 The Pirates received four players in the deal: Jason Martin, OF, 21 y/o (at the time of the trade) -- a former 8th round draft pick who at the time was a A+/AA player w/Houston. Played well this year in a half season of AA [913 OPS] not so much after AAA promotion [589] Michael Feliz, RHP -- 24 y/o Dominican reliever with two (now three) seasons of ML ball under his belt, none particularly successful Colin Moran, 3B, 24 -- Former 6th overall draft pick by the Marlins, was a back half of the top-100 type of prospect in '17 with a handful of ML ABs. 2018 was his first full year of ML ball where he put up a so-so .277/.340/.407 Joe Musgrave, RHP, 24 -- Another former 1st round pick (46th overall). Mix of starting and relief in two partial seasons w/HOU. 19 starts; 4.06 ERA; 1.18 WHIP for Pitt in '18

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2018 02:07 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I would want a better return than that. Mets are saying they'd have to get a "lopsided" package for Syndergaard. I'm not sure what that means in practice. If the deal overwhelmingly favors the Mets, the other team isn't likely to sign off on it.

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 04:17 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Andy Martino wrote: The Mets are not close to signing any of these pitchers, and would likely have to make a trade before doing so. But GM Brodie Van Wagenen has been in touch with the agents for many free agent starters, keeping a dialogue open in case of a vacancy. This seems backwards to me. You probably should sign the replacement first, then you are free to make the trade. In reality, you really should make sure that both are in place before you move ahead with either one.

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 04:43 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Frayed Knot wrote: Maybe the closest parallel I can come up with was the Pirates trading Gerrit Cole to Houston 11 months ago. - The 2017 Pirates (74 wins) and the 2018 Mets (77) were coming off similar seasons. Pirates improved by 7 games this past year minus their ace pitcher - Syndergaard currently has one extra year of club control (three) as compared to Cole at the time he was dealt (two) - Cole had 127 ML starts to his name when dealt with 59 Wins, 3.50 ERA, 1.22 WHIP; Syndergaard currently sitting at 86 / 37 / 3.03 / 1.21 The Pirates received four players in the deal: Jason Martin, OF, 21 y/o (at the time of the trade) -- a former 8th round draft pick who at the time was a A+/AA player w/Houston. Played well this year in a half season of AA [913 OPS] not so much after AAA promotion [589] Michael Feliz, RHP -- 24 y/o Dominican reliever with two (now three) seasons of ML ball under his belt, none particularly successful Colin Moran, 3B, 24 -- Former 6th overall draft pick by the Marlins, was a back half of the top-100 type of prospect in '17 with a handful of ML ABs. 2018 was his first full year of ML ball where he put up a so-so .277/.340/.407 Joe Musgrave, RHP, 24 -- Another former 1st round pick (46th overall). Mix of starting and relief in two partial seasons w/HOU. 19 starts; 4.06 ERA; 1.18 WHIP for Pitt in '18 From the way all this is being reported, that's not going to happen. Either we are getting a controllable, established, All-Star level righthanded bat or Syndergaard is staying right where he is.

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 05:13 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/heres-what ... /300903758 I don't want Simmons. I probably don't want Andujar because of his defense. I don't think that the Braves are a good fit because of the intra-division thing and because the Braves players are totally pre arbitration. (It's also debatable in my mind if the Mets would have to be the ones to kick more into the package because of that. . .you can just as well argue that the Braves would have to put in more since Syndergaard has more of a track record in the majors) I don't see why Bregman would not be an option if Correa and Springer are (and if Bryant also is from the Cubs side).

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 05:46 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Sources: As they consider Noah Syndergaard trade, Mets exploring free agent pitching options to replace him Andy Martino wrote: Trading Syndergaard -- which is no sure thing to happen, even though the Mets are exploring it -- would only be one piece in a larger strategy. The Mets could obtain a package of prospects and major leaguers for Syndergaard, then replace him with a free agent such as Patrick Corbin, J.A. Happ, Dallas Keuchel, or Nathan Eovaldi. Andy Martino wrote: The Mets are not close to signing any of these pitchers, and would likely have to make a trade before doing so. But GM Brodie Van Wagenen has been in touch with the agents for many free agent starters, keeping a dialogue open in case of a vacancy. It's cute how Andy Martino still writes like he's a reporter, and not on the payroll of the Wilpons. That tells me that this has teeth. That the Mets want this info out there.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2018 07:01 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mex17 wrote: I don't see why Bregman would not be an option if Correa and Springer are (and if Bryant also is from the Cubs side). Bregman is 1-1/2 years younger than Noah, comes with an extra year of team control (4 vs 3) and already has a Top-5 MVP season under his belt at age 24 He out-OPS'd Correa by 200 points and Springer by 150 this past year and out-WAR'd both by a lot [6.9 vs 1.7 vs 2.7] Bottom line is that I suspect Houston would want more than Syndergaard in a deal (since we're just making up trades here anyway) and that, given his age, accomplishments, and potential future, Bregman could be as close to an untouchable as there is in the game right now.

Mex17 Nov 19 2018 07:12 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Bregman vs. Bryant. It's pretty close when you click onto the projections. https://www.fantasypros.com/mlb/compare ... regman.php

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2018 07:26 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Bryant's coming out of an off (and injured) season, is several years older than Bregman and is one year closer to FA-gency. Plus I think that maybe there's a sense that pitchers and strategists may be starting to catch up to Bryant's kind of "four fly balls per game" type of hitting and that Bregman's more contact/full field style [85 K in 700+ PA in 2018 vs 107/450 for KB] is the better one to bet on going forward.

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2018 02:39 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

One Syndergaard rumor -- and by rumor I mean someone (Anthony Castrovince at mlb.com in this case) making stuff up because it might be the type of trade that could work for both sides -- is to Cincy for Raisel Iglesias and Nick Senzel Iglesias was Cincy's Opening Day starter back in 2016 though has pretty much been a reliever since and the Reds primary closer over the last two-plus seasons (58 saves in 2017 + 18) A Cuban signed in 2015 and who'll turn 29 just after New Year's, the Reds just this week signed him to an arbitration-years contract which will take him/them through 2021 at about $8 mil/per. Whether that means they're more likely to deal him or less likely is anyone's guess. Senzel is their top prospect and one of the best in all of baseball -- MLB, BA, & BP all had him at #7 last winter A 23 y/o out of Knoxville, TN and the 2nd overall pick in 2016 out of U-Tenn, the 3Bman (and sometimes 2B) was doing nothing to dim his rep this season [hitting .310/.378/.509 at AAA Louisville] until a busted thumb curtailed his 2018 season at just under 200 ABs and possibly delayed his ML debut as well. From John Sickels (on 11/21): Grade A/A-: hit .310/.378/.509 with six homers, 19 walks, 38 strikeouts, eight steals in 171 at-bats in Triple-A until season ended early due to broken finger; also missed time with vertigo; bat looks MLB-ready, hits for power, hits for average, controls the strike zone, no clear weaknesses; can steal some bases, too; also adapted well to playing second base, shifting over from third; only thing that worries me is the vertigo issue; ETA 2019. Be a nice bookend on either side of Rosario Make of all that what you want. Again, there's nothing to indicate that this is even under discussion but it's the type of trade that could work and I think probably a reasonable haul to expect. It's then just a question of whether either side might want it to work. Reds, due to their ballpark, have a tough time luring pitching to them and their more promising drafted guys either haven't worked out (Homer Bailey) or have yet to work out (Robert Stephenson) For the Mets it (hopefully) fills two holes at the expense of creating one.

Mex17 Nov 24 2018 05:02 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

One Syndergaard rumor -- and by rumor I mean someone (Anthony Castrovince at mlb.com in this case) making stuff up because it might be the type of trade that could work for both sides -- is to Cincy for Raisel Iglesias and Nick Senzel Iglesias was Cincy's Opening Day starter back in 2016 though has pretty much been a reliever since and the Reds primary closer over the last two-plus seasons (58 saves in 2017 + 18) A Cuban signed in 2015 and who'll turn 29 just after New Year's, the Reds just this week signed him to an arbitration-years contract which will take him/them through 2021 at about $8 mil/per. Whether that means they're more likely to deal him or less likely is anyone's guess. Senzel is their top prospect and one of the best in all of baseball -- MLB, BA, & BP all had him at #7 last winter A 23 y/o out of Knoxville, TN and the 2nd overall pick in 2016 out of U-Tenn, the 3Bman (and sometimes 2B) was doing nothing to dim his rep this season [hitting .310/.378/.509 at AAA Louisville] until a busted thumb curtailed his 2018 season at just under 200 ABs and possibly delayed his ML debut as well. From John Sickels (on 11/21): Grade A/A-: hit .310/.378/.509 with six homers, 19 walks, 38 strikeouts, eight steals in 171 at-bats in Triple-A until season ended early due to broken finger; also missed time with vertigo; bat looks MLB-ready, hits for power, hits for average, controls the strike zone, no clear weaknesses; can steal some bases, too; also adapted well to playing second base, shifting over from third; only thing that worries me is the vertigo issue; ETA 2019. Be a nice bookend on either side of Rosario Make of all that what you want. Again, there's nothing to indicate that this is even under discussion but it's the type of trade that could work and I think probably a reasonable haul to expect. It's then just a question of whether either side might want it to work. Reds, due to their ballpark, have a tough time luring pitching to them and their more promising drafted guys either haven't worked out (Homer Bailey) or have yet to work out (Robert Stephenson) For the Mets it (hopefully) fills two holes at the expense of creating one. That sort of thing may be an even swap and it may even turn out to be a great trade in the end, but I'm not certain that the fanbase will accept it at the onset. You would be moving Syndergaard for a closer from a 2nd division team who no one knows the name of along with a prospect. It might be a tough sell to folks who, if they are accepting of a Syndergaard trade at all, want to see a real headline grabbing blockbuster. "Syndergaard for Springer!!" "Syndergaard for Bryant!!" It might also cause some ire from folks who may perceive that the "cheap-ass Coupons" are getting a lesser closer who makes less money instead of just going out there and getting Kimbrel or Britton. I am assuming that, if Senzel is coming back, then the plan would be for him to start in Syracuse while Frazier finished out his contract as the starting third baseman at least at the onset of the season?

smg58 Nov 24 2018 06:36 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

It would be an even trade. I like both Senzel and Iglesias. It would be fair, though, to ask if it satisfies either team's immediate needs. If the Mets intend to win now, grabbing even an excellent prospect whose time at AAA last year was limited by injury might not be the best route. And are the Reds in a position to deal 6+ years of Senzel for 3 years of Syndergaard? And it brings us back to the fact that there are two free agent third basemen who could help us win now, and no free agent pitchers I would rather have going forward than Syndergaard.

Mex17 Nov 24 2018 06:49 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

smg58 wrote: there are two free agent third basemen who could help us win now Here is a fair question. . . With age and injury history taken into consideration but nothing else (such as "trade vs. free agent") being considered, why choose Donaldson specifically over Tatis, Senzel, or Bryant?

Edgy MD Nov 24 2018 07:28 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I assume because of your analysis of his track record and scouting reports. Also, count me as a fan who won't be impressed by a Mets team that just goes out there and gets a Kimbrel or Britton. Landing name-brand closers has been a fool's errand for this team.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2018 07:54 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Trading a good starter for a good reliever is something that an idiot like Omar Minaya would do. Thank God those days are... oh, fuck.

smg58 Nov 24 2018 08:55 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mex17 wrote: smg58 wrote: there are two free agent third basemen who could help us win now Here is a fair question. . . With age and injury history taken into consideration but nothing else (such as "trade vs. free agent") being considered, why choose Donaldson specifically over Tatis, Senzel, or Bryant? It ultimately depends on what your priorities are. I think Donaldson would give you a much better chance of winning in 2019, risks notwithstanding, than Tatis or Senzel. But if your goal is to put together a winning team in the early 2020s, you could easily justify trading Syndergaard for a package led by Tatis or Senzel. Bryant is a different monster. He's a better player than Donaldson right now, and when healthy is at least as good as Machado. Here, I don't think you can remove the "trade" vs. "free agent" context. Syndergaard alone won't get you Bryant. Syndergaard and Wheeler might not get you Bryant. Donaldson would only cost money, and possibly only a short-term commitment at that.

Frayed Knot Nov 24 2018 06:01 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mex17 wrote: That sort of thing may be an even swap and it may even turn out to be a great trade in the end, but I'm not certain that the fanbase will accept it at the onset. You would be moving Syndergaard for a closer from a 2nd division team who no one knows the name of along with a prospect. It might be a tough sell to folks who, if they are accepting of a Syndergaard trade at all, want to see a real headline grabbing blockbuster. "Syndergaard for Springer!!" "Syndergaard for Bryant!!" The fan base would be best judging this trade (or any trade) on its merits alone rather than for the headlines and/or the insta-buzz it would give. And the front office would be even dopier for making, or failing to make, a deal based on those kinds of perceptions. If it's the right deal, do it! Lots of great trades weren't liked at the time and some were opening mocked. Ask Yanqui fans if they want to go back and un-do the Gerald Williams for Paul O'Neill deal (or sub-in Bernie Williams instead) because they sure did at the time. There was an old line attributed, I believe, to Bill Veeck, that if you listen to the fans you wind up sitting with them.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2018 06:35 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

The trade that brought Syndergaard to the Mets was unpopular at the time that it was made.

Fman99 Nov 24 2018 07:56 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I think trading him for anything less than one of the 10-15 best hitters in baseball would be a tragic error. I also fully expect it to happen because if there's one thing the Mets front office knows, it's tragic errors.

smg58 Nov 25 2018 05:15 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Frayed Knot wrote: There was an old line attributed, I believe, to Bill Veeck, that if you listen to the fans you wind up sitting with them. That's a great line.

Mex17 Nov 25 2018 07:37 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

smg58 wrote: There was an old line attributed, I believe, to Bill Veeck, that if you listen to the fans you wind up sitting with them. That's a great line. Ironically, Veeck was the same guy who did this. . . https://baseballhall.org/discover-more/ ... gers-night

Frayed Knot Nov 25 2018 07:52 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Fman99 wrote: I think trading him for anything less than one of the 10-15 best hitters in baseball would be a tragic error. It would depend on what they think the odds are of a prospect like Senzel turning into the next Alex Bregman, a comparison I use because there are a decent amount of similarities. - they play the same position and were both #2 overall draft picks out of major college programs in the same conference (LSU & Tenn). - Senzel out-hit Bregman as a minor leaguer [904 OPS vs 866] and was the higher rated prospect along the way although Bregman was moved faster and already had a partial ML season under his belt by the time he was Senzel's age now Bregman has now, of course, turned into a monster by his third overall (second full) ML season [.286/.394/.509] and that's a tough standard to hope to replicate, but something even remotely similar would be terrific. Dealing Thor for a guy who's "top 10-15 hitter" now would net us one who is likely come with two or three years of team control just as he would for his new team. That's maybe the safer/less-downside move but, depending on how well they can read the lay of the land, not always the better one.

Frayed Knot Nov 25 2018 08:01 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mex17 wrote: Ironically, Veeck was the same guy who did this. . . https://baseballhall.org/discover-more/ ... gers-night Not only that, but Veeck DID used to show up in the Wrigley bleachers every once in a while and sit with the fans, talking baseball, quaffing beers, and grinding out cigarette stubs into his wooden leg along the way. The line may or may not have come from Veeck, I can't really remember now. But its point holds that if you make moves with your mind too focused on the public relations aspect of it you often wind up with a worse pr image than you would have had you concentrated more on making, at least in your mind, the 'right' move. And during the Wilpons' tenure, this trap has been sprung more than a few times.

Mex17 Nov 25 2018 08:23 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Another advantage to potentially having Senzel is that he is also a second baseman. So, if McNeil falters over a longer sample size, just put Senzel at second. He would still be pre-arb after 2019 so you can then still potentially go after Arenado next winter.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2018 08:25 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The trade that brought Syndergaard to the Mets was unpopular at the time that it was made. I wanna visit the archives and challenge this. I remember being thrilled, though mainly because I had bigger dreams for dArnaud than turned true, but also because we were able to unload both Thole and Nickeas for anything.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2018 08:26 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 25 2018 08:50 AM

Here we go: http://archives.thecranepool.net/18800/f1_t18815.shtml That's a hell of a thread. Also there's this, while we waited for Dickey to OK an extension: http://archives.thecranepool.net/18800/f1_t18863.shtml

Mex17 Nov 25 2018 08:28 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 25 2018 08:29 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: The trade that brought Syndergaard to the Mets was unpopular at the time that it was made. I wanna visit the archives and challenge this. I remember being thrilled, though mainly because I had bigger dreams for dArnaud than turned true, but also because we were able to unload both Thole and Nickeas for anything. We are not the wider Mets fanbase though. I knew people at the time who were crying over trading Dickey because he had just won a Cy Young and because he was a fan favorite. It happened. I also know people who are saying now that they had better not trade Syndergaard for "just prospects".

Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2018 08:29 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I liked the deal too, but I recall that many fans (perhaps not here in this forum) saw it as "dumping" Dickey for an old catcher and a bunch of nobodies.

Fman99 Nov 25 2018 08:44 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Here we go: http://archives.thecranepool.net/18800/f1_t18815.shtml I'm glad that I managed to make one comment in that thread and it was about AstroGlide.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 25 2018 09:46 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

The stupid Mets didn't go far enough. Boy was that ever the year to tear it down. They should've dumped Wright for prospects while he still had value instead of re-signing him to the then biggest Mets contract ever. What a bunch of saps.

smg58 Nov 25 2018 10:53 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I was mostly quiet on that thread (that was the end of my first semester as a professor and it was frantic). I remember having lunch with seawolf after a class at Stony Brook, and telling him that Dickey was my favorite met since Piazza but for that return I'd have moved him.

smg58 Nov 25 2018 10:54 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

And who's glad we didn't get Mike Olt?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2018 11:17 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

There are a few negative reactions in that thread but that seems to be the minority opinion among this group.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2018 12:00 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

somewhere in there there's a Mets won't contend for 3 years strain, of course they reached the WS then, with Syndy and dArnaud contributing

batmagadanleadoff Nov 25 2018 12:04 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

You show me someone who thought the Mets would be in the World Series three years later and I'll show you someone who's either totally full of shit or batshit crazy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2018 01:11 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

couldnta done it with a 2-year Dickey deal, that's for sure

Centerfield Nov 25 2018 06:21 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I wonder why I didn’t participate in those threads. I would have thought I would have. I’m pretty sure I liked the trade then. I remember some reporters saying we had fleeced them with the inclusion of Syndergaard and Bucerra. I hope we don’t trade Noah. There is no pitcher available this offseason that can replace him.

Mex17 Nov 25 2018 06:28 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: I remember some reporters saying we had fleeced them with the inclusion of Syndergaard and Bucerra. I think it's safe to say at this point that Bucerra did not work out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 25 2018 06:40 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Fman99 wrote: Here we go: http://archives.thecranepool.net/18800/f1_t18815.shtml I'm glad that I managed to make one comment in that thread and it was about AstroGlide. I made reference to Jack Buck as "Mr. Likes to F#ck." It was a happier, more carefree time all around. Ceetar the trade contrarian? Who the hell woulda thunk? The trade looked good from a process standpoint then, and it looks good from a results and process standpoint now, even if Darno never wears the blurange ever again. It feels like a Noah trade-- unless there's something crazy we haven't considered lurking in the off-season murk-- would work in the other direction. Put another way: if we're trading this guy, it should be after a peak rather than a valley.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 25 2018 08:07 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I didn't post in that Dickey thread and I still remember why not. But I remember what I thought at the time -- that I was all for the trade. But at the same time, I wasn't about to give eff and Jeff any of the credit if it worked out. I figured that Sandy's fingerprints were all over that deal and the only reason the owners approved and were willing to go along was not because of any process, but because they were too fucking cheap to pay Dickey what they thought he would've commanded on the open market, reigning Cy Young award and all.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 26 2018 01:42 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Some Sports Illustrated writers spitball some trade ideas: Let's Make a Trade for Noah Syndergaard! All proposals involve either the Padres or the Dodgers.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 28 2018 07:44 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mike Puma wrote: A source indicated that to trade Syndergaard, the Mets would probably need to already have a deal in place to acquire another starting pitcher. Gio Gonzalez is among the free agents who has been discussed — the veteran lefty owns a career 1.85 ERA at Citi Field — but the Mets could also turn to J.A. Happ or shoot for a higher upside starter in Nathan Eovaldi. Bryce Harper rumors lurking as Mets eye Noah Syndergaard move I think this is the first time I've seen anything about Gio Gonzalez being considered by the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 28 2018 08:12 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

And here's what Jim Duquette is saying now: Syndergaard, RHP, Mets (26) Best fit: Padres Trade package: OF Manuel Margot, C Austin Hedges, LHP MacKenzie Gore (San Diego's No. 2 prospect, No. 13 overall) Starting pitchers of Syndergaard's age, caliber and contract status (under control for three more years) are almost never available, but the Mets are having dialogue with multiple teams regarding the right-hander. Although New York is reportedly looking to use a Syndergaard trade to address other needs on the big league roster, a one-for-one deal that brings back a comparable position player may not be out there. As a result, the Mets could look to shop Syndergaard for a combination of MLB players and high-end prospects. The Padres are a perfect fit in many ways, as they have a strong farm system and a Major League roster that can spare a center fielder and a catcher, which are two of the Mets' biggest needs. San Diego has been eyeing Syndergaard since the summer, and the club continues to do so. Packaging Gore, the No. 3 overall Draft pick in 2017, with Margot and Hedges could be enough to bring Thor to San Diego.

bmfc1 Nov 28 2018 09:04 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mike Puma wrote: the veteran lefty owns a career 1.85 ERA at Citi Field Yeah but he's facing the Mets.

smg58 Nov 28 2018 10:55 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

bmfc1 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mike Puma wrote: the veteran lefty owns a career 1.85 ERA at Citi Field Yeah but he's facing the Mets. Well I guess you would have to sell Gio as a viable alternative to Thor somehow. But if the best you could do from the Padres for Syndergaard is a 19-year-old prospect who hasn't reached high-A yet, a centerfielder who may or may not be an upgrade over Juan Lagares, and a glove-first catcher, then why bother signing somebody like Gonzalez at all? There'd be no point in pretending you're trying to win now if you make that deal, and Gonzalez won't help you win down the road.

Centerfield Nov 28 2018 11:10 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Each time I open this thread I feel like throwing up.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 28 2018 01:18 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Andy Martino wrote: The Mets and Padres have been talking for weeks about a Noah Syndergaard trade, and now we have our first specific tidbit: San Diego has told the Mets that top infield prospect Fernando Tatis Jr. is untouchable, according to major league sources. The teams have discussed catcher Austin Hedges. The Mets remain open to moving Syndergaard, but are still looking for the right offer. If that offer fails to materialize they will keep him. The team has remained in contact with top free agenst starters J.A. Happ and Patrick Corbin, among others, and could pursue one to replace Syndergaard. Austin Hedges is a far cry from Fernando Tatis. Hopefully the discussion of Austin Hedges has nothing to do with a Syndergaard deal, unless the Padres are also willing to include a 22-year-old clone of Tony Gwynn.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 28 2018 01:22 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Some NY writer raised an interesting thought the other day -- why would Syndergaard's former agent suddenly be in talks with several teams to trade him? What might BVW know about Syndergaard that nobody else knows?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2018 01:54 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Yeah it's interesting. Also, why not trade Matz if it's only going to net average guys? And also also, why not sign Eovaldi and NOT trade syndergaard?

A Boy Named Seo Nov 30 2018 04:09 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Let it be known that I do not want to trade Noah Syndergaard, but Mets are apparently GOING FOR IT and Ken Rosenthal sez Thor is next outta town so WATP right here righ tnow. San Diego sends the Mets Manuel Margot, Francisco Mejia and McKenzie Gore for Noah Syndergaard and Kevin Plawecki. Pads get their young affordable ace and a catcher who can play every day if Hedges can't hit. The Mets then offer Margot to Cleveland along with Travis d'Arnaud, current #1 prospect Andres Gimenez and BIG DAWG TODD FRAZIER for Corey Kluber and Yan Gomes! The Indians will want more, so I'll add current #5 prospect Franklyn Kilome (the dude we got for Asdrubal) and they'll think about it for a long, hard minute before accepting the offer. Kluber is awesome but making $17M this year, so Cleveland gets younger, saves ~$11M in this trade and fills immediate needs at catcher and the outfield, plus they have a one-year stop-gap at third in case Yandy Diaz isn't any ready or isn't very good. Superstar Jose Ramirez doesn't have the body for 2nd base, so he can slide to third next year and Gimenez can play second if he's ready. Kilome was at AA last year so might get a call-up as soon as this season. Indians are re-loading! The Mets rotation led by deGrom, Kluber and Wheeler is still excellent, with Gomes a solid replacement at catcher, and McNeil slotting in at third. Despite losing 2 more prospects, the quality at the top of the farm might be better with Gore and Mejia the new #1 and #2 prospects with Alonso knocking on the door. I HAVE TO GO ADD FAKE GM TO MY LINKDIN PROFILE NOW GUYS. I WILL MISS U, NOAH SYNDERGAARD

Mex17 Nov 30 2018 04:23 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2018 04:26 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Let it be known that I do not want to trade Noah Syndergaard, but Mets are apparently GOING FOR IT and Ken Rosenthal sez Thor is next outta town so WATP right here righ tnow. San Diego sends the Mets Manuel Margot, Francisco Mejia and McKenzie Gore for Noah Syndergaard and Kevin Plawecki. Pads get their young affordable ace and a catcher who can play every day if Hedges can't hit. The Mets then offer Margot to Cleveland along with Travis d'Arnaud, current #1 prospect Andres Gimenez and BIG DAWG TODD FRAZIER for Corey Kluber and Yan Gomes! The Indians will want more, so I'll add current #5 prospect Franklyn Kilome (the dude we got for Asdrubal) and they'll think about it for a long, hard minute before accepting the offer. Kluber is awesome but making $17M this year, so Cleveland gets younger, saves ~$11M in this trade and fills immediate needs at catcher and the outfield, plus they have a one-year stop-gap at third in case Yandy Diaz isn't any ready or isn't very good. Superstar Jose Ramirez doesn't have the body for 2nd base, so he can slide to third next year and Gimenez can play second if he's ready. Kilome was at AA last year so might get a call-up as soon as this season. Indians are re-loading! The Mets rotation led by deGrom, Kluber and Wheeler is still excellent, with Gomes a solid replacement at catcher, and McNeil slotting in at third. Despite losing 2 more prospects, the quality at the top of the farm might be better with Gore and Mejia the new #1 and #2 prospects with Alonso knocking on the door. I HAVE TO GO ADD FAKE GM TO MY LINKDIN PROFILE NOW GUYS. I WILL MISS U, NOAH SYNDERGAARD I don't see why the Mets would make the San Diego trade or why the Indians would make the other trade. -First off, Kilome is out for the entire season with TJ Surgery. -Second, I cannot see what the bait is for Cleveland to part with Kluber. Gimenez? Not for Kluber. Margot? He must be some sort of defensive whiz because I do not see what his appeal is from the offensive stats. Frazier? You rate him waaayyyy higher than I do. -Third (and most importantly), there is NO FUCKING WAY that I move Syndergaard to the Padres unless I am getting Tatis Jr back in the deal! Offer me Tatis, Mejia, and Paddack (or Morejon) and then I will talk. I'll even put McNeil in that trade.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 30 2018 04:24 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

:'-(

Mex17 Nov 30 2018 04:59 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Seriously. Syndergaard and McNeil for Tatis, Mejia, and either Paddack or Morejon.

Mex17 Dec 03 2018 05:49 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 03 2018 07:06 PM

Here is one so crazy it just might work. . . Syndergaard and Rosario to Houston for Correa and Forrest Whitley. I think that it could make sense for the Astros because they are more than covered from the right hand side with Altuve, Bregman, Springer, and Guerriel. Plus, Rosario is righthanded too (albeit less established in the majors when compared to the aforementioned four). They need MLB established pitching because they are losing Keuchel and Morton. Verlander/Cole/Syndergaard would be pretty formidable. For the Mets, you get the established and controllable righhanded stick they need (at a position that is far away from the outfield so Cespedes is not blocked if he actually comes back). Then they go out and sign Eovaldi/Happ/Gio/whoever. Whitley, from the site that I am using, is Houtson's #2 prospect. He is #8 in the Top 100 and the #1 RHP prospect. That, to me, sounds comparible to where Rosaio ranked right before he graduated to the majors. Syndergaard and Correa each have three years of team control left. Correa's off year might be a bit of a concern though.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 03 2018 06:29 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I vote "yay". Gotta believe Houston would blink first, but an excellent WATP just the same.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2018 02:32 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mets appear to commit to Noah Syndergaard, who’s thrilled Greg Joyce, New York Post wrote: Van Wagenen said the Mets’ “chips are in” to win now and that it would take “very special circumstances for us to even consider” trading Syndergaard, who has three years left on his contract.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2018 03:08 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mets appear to commit to Noah Syndergaard, who’s thrilled Greg Joyce, New York Post wrote: Van Wagenen said the Mets’ “chips are in” to win now and that it would take “very special circumstances for us to even consider” trading Syndergaard, who has three years left on his contract. ZACK WHEELER HUGWATCH ON!!!!

Centerfield Dec 10 2018 09:28 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Latest rumors talk of Syndergaard to the Yankees. Hey shittiest offseason ever. Let’s cut it out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2018 10:56 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

OH FUCK NO

G-Fafif Dec 10 2018 11:10 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Unfounded theory: Syndergaard was Alderson's savviest get, therefore J. Wilpon, who always resented the GM (who in turn barely concealed his contempt for the COO), relishes the idea of undoing Sandy's handiwork.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2018 11:47 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

G-Fafif wrote: [Alderson] ...who ... barely concealed his contempt for the COO.... What's this all about? I can't believe I missed this. Not that I doubt it.

Mex17 Dec 11 2018 04:21 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/yankees-m ... ockbuster/ "Any such deal involving Syndergaard would almost certainly have to bring the Mets another starting player in addition to Realmuto." Who could that be? From the Yankees?

metsmarathon Dec 11 2018 04:26 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

[Gif of Michael Scott shouting “no” a bunch of times]

dgwphotography Dec 11 2018 04:55 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

G-Fafif wrote: Unfounded theory: Syndergaard was Alderson's savviest get, therefore J. Wilpon, who always resented the GM (who in turn barely concealed his contempt for the COO), relishes the idea of undoing Sandy's handiwork. I’m sticking with the theory that BVW knows something about Noah that we don’t, and that something is the reason he’s shopping him.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 06:45 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Mike Puma wrote: There have been discussions, a source confirms, on a potential 3-way trade between the Mets, Yankees and Marlins that would bring J.T. Realmuto to Flushing and could send Noah Syndergaard to the Bronx. Geez, are we going to have to merge the Syndergaard and Realmuto threads? Ken Rosenthal wrote: #Mets discussing multiple two- and three-team scenarios involving Realmuto and others, sources say. Team continues to place premium on their SP; would move Syndergaard only for big return. Tyson Ross signed today for $5.75M. Syndergaard will not cost much more in 2019.

seawolf17 Dec 11 2018 07:07 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

ARGH. [bigpurple:tch3d4h3]FOR FUCK'S SAKE, METS. NO.[/bigpurple:tch3d4h3]

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 07:17 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 07:23 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Andy Martino wrote: Source: Noah Syndergaard to Yankees is a real possibility but there are “10 other scenarios” Mets are considering I don't know what those ten other scenarios are, but I like them all better than this one.

MFS62 Dec 11 2018 07:25 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

JT has two more years on his contract, Thor has three. After that, who would be the catcher for the Mets? (if they can't re-sign him?) The organization is thin at that position. But, if the deal involves moving Frazier and one corner outfielder and getting JT and Andujar (and getting a starter in a separate deal or free agency), I'd be willing to listen. And worry about who catches in two years. Later

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 07:28 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

This is what happens when you allow the Mets to be viewed as "aggressive" without actually spending money. Stupid, foolish moves will be made in the name of a BOLD AND CREATIVE AND AGGRESSIVE APPROACH!!! Jeff Wilpon views trades as a way to public acceptance without opening up the wallet.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2018 07:33 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If they get the deal they want, I don’t particularly care who catches in 2021. You can’t solve all problems at once. You can only hope to solve more than you create.

MFS62 Dec 11 2018 07:36 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Edgy MD wrote: If they get the deal they want, I don’t particularly care who catches in 2021. You can’t solve all problems at once. You can only hope to solve more than you create. Totally agree. And, about these rumors being reported - Just because they get paid to write this stuff doesn't mean it can't be the most "W" of WATPs, or that it won't happen. Later

seawolf17 Dec 11 2018 07:37 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Edgy MD wrote: If they get the deal they want, I don’t particularly care who catches in 2021. You can’t solve all problems at once. You can only hope to solve more than you create. But when one of the problems you create is "your fans hate you because you've traded one of their favorite players to the fucking Yankees," that's a hole that's pretty damn hard to fill.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 07:41 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Hopefully if they do complete a trade for Realmuto, it will come with a negotiating window to see if he'll sign an extension. And even if it doesn't, they can still negotiate an extension after the deal is complete. I'd still much prefer them to sign Grandal or Ramos (reports are that the Mets met with Ramos yesterday) but if we do get Realmuto, I want them to be able to keep him for more than two years.

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 07:46 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If I could pick any pitcher in baseball to slot in behind Jacob deGrom, there are few I would pick over Noah Syndergaard. And I get that there is a good deal of Mets bias in here, but if you factor in everything. Performance, age, talent, salary, years of control, stuff, upside. The guy had a 3.03 ERA in a down year. Fuck everyone. You can make a case for Blake Snell. Or Aaron Nola. That's about it. Not Patrick Corbin, or Zack Grienke, or even Cory Fucking Kluber. Scherzer for Syndergaard straight up? Nope. We're talking about trading Noah Syndergaard for a guy who isn't even in the top 40 in OPS. Holy fuck guys.

metsmarathon Dec 11 2018 08:16 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I really don’t want to have to go out and buy a yankee hat for ummL. Don’t make me do it Brodie. Don’t you fucking make me do it. I’m not a yankee fan, but I don’t think there’s anyone on their roster that they wouldn’t be happy to let go in order to get Thor back. Because there’s really nobody there that I’d rather have. Clearly this is all emotion talking. Severino plus andujar? Sure. That’s some good value (that I just pulled out of my ass. .) But I still don’t want it.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 08:22 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Well, from what we're hearing, whoever the "someone" is that the Yankees would be giving up would be going to Miami. It would be Realmuto coming to the Mets.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2018 09:00 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Well, the Mets would have to get more than that. And the more might come from Bronxland.

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 09:02 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

My proposed Three Team Trade: Mets: Keep Noah Syndergaard Yankees: Go fuck themselves. Marlins: Who fucking cares.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2018 09:05 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I'd like to see the pot sweetened before I pull the trigger on that, to mix a metaphor. I'm holding out until The Marlins fuck themselves too. Did you see where Randy Levine was on the president's emergency shortlist for chief of staff candidates? HA-HA!

smg58 Dec 11 2018 09:17 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Yankees: Go fuck themselves. We don't really need a presser to announce that one, do we? Actually, I'm not in principle opposed to talking to the Yankees. I'm curious to know what the price is on Sonny Gray, for example. But I'm really starting to get nervous when I hear a trade rumor that involves something complicated.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2018 09:19 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: My proposed Three Team Trade: Mets: Keep Noah Syndergaard Yankees: Go fuck themselves. Marlins: Who fucking cares. tweet this now before i do

seawolf17 Dec 11 2018 09:27 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: My proposed Three Team Trade: Mets: Keep Noah Syndergaard Yankees: Go fuck themselves. Marlins: Who fucking cares. tweet this now before i do Seriously. I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2018 09:39 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Actual text I received this morning. #Priorities

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 09:40 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I think that tends to happen anyway during childbirth.

d'Kong76 Dec 11 2018 11:12 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: My proposed Three Team Trade: Mets: Keep Noah Syndergaard Yankees: Go fuck themselves. Marlins: Who fucking cares. A-fuckin'-men... next...

Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2018 12:03 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Centerfield wrote: My proposed Three Team Trade: Mets: Keep Noah Syndergaard Yankees: Go fuck themselves. Marlins: Who fucking cares. Really, this.

Ashie62 Dec 11 2018 12:48 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Same here If Thor goes to Yanks BVG can #$^%$

Mex17 Dec 11 2018 03:36 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I'm totally confused. Is this Syndergaard to the Yankees, Realmuto to the Mets, and Andujar to the Marlins? Or is it Syndergaard to the Yankees, Realmuto plus Andujar to the Mets, and something else entirely from the Yankees to the Marlins? I am hearing both things simultaneously. The difference between "Realmuto only" compared to "Realmuto and Andujar" is vast.

HahnSolo Dec 11 2018 03:42 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I would think if it’s Realmuto and Andujar coming to Queens we’d be giving something back to Miami as well. Nimmo would be my guess

Mex17 Dec 11 2018 03:48 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

HahnSolo wrote: I would think if it’s Realmuto and Andujar coming to Queens we’d be giving something back to Miami as well. Nimmo would be my guess Adding a piece as significant as Nimmo is not the "no doubt slam dunk" that we were promised as the only way BVW would even consider moving Syndergaard. Nor does it fit with his "I will not create a hole in order to fill one" credo. What if it's Realmuto and Clint Frazier though?

HahnSolo Dec 11 2018 04:23 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I’m not advocating including Nimmo but the Marlins are going to need something if we get Andujar and Thor moves across town. Can we trust Frazier to stay healthy?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2018 09:28 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I'm in pretty strong denial here. this is all pretty stupid

Centerfield Dec 11 2018 09:37 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I go back and forth. Sometimes I’m convinced Brodie just wants us to appreciate what we have already. Other times I’m convinced he’s a moron and will trade him. Either way he’s a dickhead.

Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2018 06:46 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

If any deal in any way sends Syndergaard to the Yankees, BVW is dead to me. I don't care what's coming back.

Mets Willets Point Dec 12 2018 08:11 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Just checking in to make sure Syndergaard is still a Met.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2018 08:13 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

He is. It seems like the Realmuto/Syndergaard deal is cooling off. Hopefully that's true, and that it stays cold.

smg58 Dec 12 2018 08:24 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

I don't want to speculate on BVW's motivations, beyond making headlines in the offseason and putting his stamp on the team as quickly and as deeply as possible. While I can respect that he's willing to get creative to make something happen, I'm not so sure he appreciates that "creative" doesn't always equate to "smart." But we'll see how this pans out.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2018 11:09 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Both covers make my eyes hurt, but I certainly agree with the sentiment expressed in the Post here over what the Daily News is saying.

Mex17 Dec 12 2018 05:46 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Morton came off the board today (gone to Tampa). Happ is close to coming off the board. Corbin and Eovaldi are gone. Even if the perfect Syndergaard package came along, the window was two or three weeks ago. It's passed. You probably can't get in on the starting pitcher market now this late in the game. On edit: And now Lance Lynn to Texas.

Centerfield Dec 12 2018 07:22 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Meanwhile, Jason Vargas remains our 5 starter with absolutely no depth behind him. Our top pitching prospect is in Seattle. Basically we have to hope that szapucki kid heals from TJ. Shit. We even released Montero.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2018 11:28 PM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Well, ahead of Szapucki is (according to most rankings) Kilome, Peterson, and Kay, although the first is out for the year.

Lefty Specialist Dec 13 2018 05:10 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Well, #6 is Seth Lugo, and #7 is Robert Gsellman. So there's some depth, but not really any help from the minors.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 05:33 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

It's still three and a half months until Opening Day. The roster surely isn't set yet.

41Forever Dec 13 2018 06:43 AM Re: Let's huddle here and talk... Syndergaard

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, #6 is Seth Lugo, and #7 is Robert Gsellman. So there's some depth, but not really any help from the minors. Corey Oswalt?