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Tender's Not the Flo

G-Fafif Nov 30 2018 02:11 PM

Puma of the Post reports Tabloid Cover Derby favorite Wilmer Flores will not be tendered. D'Arnaud said to be tendered.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2018 02:14 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

brb going to citi field to flip some tables

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2018 02:45 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

G-Fafif wrote: Puma of the Post reports Tabloid Cover Derby favorite Wilmer Flores will not be tendered. D'Arnaud said to be tendered. Poor Wilmer. I suppose his knee issues were a factor in this, along with the possibility that his role can be taken by Jeff McNeil and/or T.J. Rivera. And speaking of the Tabloid Cover Derby, Wilmer has two covers still in the running, and they're both good ones. He may not be going to Port St. Lucie, but his photo may be going to Stockholm.

Mex17 Nov 30 2018 03:40 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

This is idiotic. What if Alonso does not make the team out of Spring Training? Then you are left only with Smith as a viable option to play first base.

sharpie Nov 30 2018 03:46 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Frazier can play first.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2018 03:47 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

It's not even December yet. We don't know what the roster will look like. Also, Cano can play first base. And TJ Rivera. And Jeff McNeil in a pinch.

RealityChuck Nov 30 2018 04:56 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Much as I love Wilmer, his knee problems make him a real risk.

Zvon Nov 30 2018 05:31 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

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Frayed Knot Nov 30 2018 05:56 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

RealityChuck wrote: Much as I love Wilmer, his knee problems make him a real risk. As does his low OBA (.303 career), poor (read: non-existent) speed, bad defense, and middling at best power for the one position (1B) where that glove is easiest to hide and where he'd be easiest to replace. He's been relatively fun to have around but his upside is limited and you can't count on his 'walk-off magic' to continue forever. I suspect they asked around about trading him but the fact(?) that they're non-tendering him instead indicates that they didn't think their chances were very good on a guy who'll get 3rd-year arb money this season and be a FA next. btw, between 2013 & 2018 Wilmer has accumulated five seasons plus three days of ML service time which is what will make him eligible for FA-gency next season rather than in the winter of 2020/21

MFS62 Nov 30 2018 06:56 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Wilmer was not loved. He was Beloved. And it is the rare player who elicits that emotion. Later

Centerfield Nov 30 2018 07:01 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Can we still sign him for less? I guess the arthritis thing must be bad. Love Wilmer. But, you know, this is business.

d'Kong76 Nov 30 2018 07:18 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Sad day in Metviile for me.

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2018 07:23 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

I liked Wilmer. He was often fun even though occasionally exasperating and I completely understand this move even if it wasn't one I was looking forward to. And I think 'beloved' is far too strong. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

MFS62 Nov 30 2018 07:26 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Frayed Knot wrote: And I think 'beloved' is far too strong. Your mileage, of course, may vary. When he cried (because he thought the Mets were trading him), I cried. And that defines it for my mileage. Later

Frayed Knot Nov 30 2018 08:05 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

A nice moment, in my view, but not a lifetime pass.

smg58 Dec 01 2018 06:05 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

My heart and my head are in different places with Wilmer. He was as likable as any Met I've watched, but he seemed to regress last year when we needed him to step forward, and his arthritis won't just go away. I might consider signing him for half what he would have gotten in arbitration, but even that would depend on a fair assessment of TJ Rivera's health.

seawolf17 Dec 01 2018 07:07 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

30 years/$45M for Wilmer. He's on the payroll in perpetuity, either as a player, coach, broadcaster, or spiritual advisor.

G-Fafif Dec 04 2018 10:38 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Came across this nugget while researching this piece: Wilmer Flores -- who one doesn't think of as a prototypical "cursed with versatility" utility guy -- was the only Met to have played at least 100 games apiece at all four infield positions. Nobody else played thirty games apiece at all four infield positions. You can't keep a good bat down.

Edgy MD Dec 04 2018 11:24 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

#2 was ... Super Joe McEwing?

d'Kong76 Dec 04 2018 11:27 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

G-Fafif wrote: was the only Met to have played at least 100 games apiece at all four infield positions. Nobody else played thirty games apiece at all four infield positions. That's not a nugget, that's a small boulder!

G-Fafif Dec 04 2018 11:40 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Edgy MD wrote: #2 was ... Super Joe McEwing? The three besides Wilmer who did as many as 20+ at 1B, 2B, SS, 3B were Joe McEwing, Justin Turner and -- I would not have guessed this one -- Tim Bogar. Each of them played at least one game in the OF, which Flores (despite some Spring Training happy talk) never did.

seawolf17 Dec 04 2018 11:56 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

G-Fafif wrote: I would not have guessed this one

Edgy MD Dec 04 2018 12:15 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Bogar had the same ticket to first that McEwing did: an inexperienced starting firstbaseman whose footwork didn't fill his manager with confidence, so each used a middle infielder as a late-inning replacement. Said middle infielders in each case didn't have a lot of cold corner experience either, but at least they brought their nimble little feet to the task. McEwing was carrying Piazza's glove, and Bogar was subbing in for Huskey.

G-Fafif Dec 04 2018 01:14 PM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

1B Flores 117 Bogar 56 McEwing 39 Turner 26 2B McEwing 123 Turner 108 Flores 101 Bogar 22 SS Flores 162 Bogar 119 McEwing 92 Turner 29 3B Flores 143 Bogar 79 Turner 71 McEwing 57 Flores was a Met for parts of six seasons; McEwing five seasons; Bogar and Turner four seasons each.

Nymr83 Dec 05 2018 12:05 AM Re: Tender's Not the Flo

Sad to see him go. He crushed lefties and belonged as a starter against them.