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Frayed Knot Dec 13 2018 03:27 AM

"Oh Michael, you can never lose your family" -- Mama Corleone (Part II) Pending a physical (yadda, yadda) Jeurys Familia and the Mets reached a three year agreement for the reliever to return to the team that dealt him away last August, presumably to serve in a set-up role to newly-acquired Edwin Diaz. And we don't have to give back Will Toffey or Bobby Wahl or the $1 million in int'l bonus pool money.

Mex17 Dec 13 2018 04:07 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Unexpected. The only drawback is that he is not lefthanded. Do you think that they could still be in on Miller?

Lefty Specialist Dec 13 2018 05:07 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

3 years, $30 million. Money that could have been better spent elsewhere. I've never been a Familia fan.

Centerfield Dec 13 2018 05:34 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I love it. Arguably the best relief pitcher we have ever had. Home grown kid. Only 29 years old. Compared to the deal the older Kimbrel is supposedly looking for this is a good bargain. Like any relief pitcher, it comes with risks, but I think this is a solid bet. Love that he is ok with being a setup man and that the addition of Diaz didn’t deter him. We still need a lefty or two but this is shaping into a potentially great pen. Inevitably some reporter will get this wrong. He doesn’t have a domestic violence taint. He was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence and then a court affirmatively ruled that none had occurred.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 05:38 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Now that the Mets have two 50-save guys in their bullpen, they're guaranteed to win 100 games this year. Right?

MFS62 Dec 13 2018 06:01 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Now that the Mets have two 50-save guys in their bullpen, they're guaranteed to win 100 games this year. Right? That adds up for me, too. And don't forget the 20 complete game victories when they won't need a closer. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 13 2018 06:01 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I think I'm on record somewhere saying that if the Mets were going to be dumb and throw money at a relief pitchers it may as well be Familia. I like it enough.

seawolf17 Dec 13 2018 06:10 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I very much approve. Good move.

41Forever Dec 13 2018 06:11 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I like this!

G-Fafif Dec 13 2018 06:17 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

This deal is a bargain in that for the cost of one reliever, they receive multiple pronunciations.

smg58 Dec 13 2018 06:25 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I've always liked Familia. He was betrayed by his defense more than his fair share, but he remained solid for us. I do agree with Mex that an established lefty would be nice, though.

41Forever Dec 13 2018 06:42 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Kind of like Jay Bruce last season -- returning after a rental!

metirish Dec 13 2018 07:24 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

#metstwitter loves to complain, wow the amount of bile about this is something else , I like it

Edgy MD Dec 13 2018 07:29 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

He and Bruce create a new category: Ricochet Mets. How many guys besides those two were resigned immediately after being dealt in their walk year? Can't be too many, although honorary status has to to go to Greg McMichael.

RealityChuck Dec 13 2018 07:36 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I asked this when Bruce was re-signed and someone mentioned Aroldis Chapman. This is a great signing. Familia and Diaz will lock down the 8th and 9th. They can now just stockpile relievers to fill out the bullpen. which will address one of the team's biggest problems.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 07:53 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

G-Fafif wrote: This deal is a bargain in that for the cost of one reliever, they receive multiple pronunciations. We now have three more years to figure this out!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2018 08:07 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I like it well enough, provided the infield defense is much better over the next 3 years. I think I'd rather have Miller at this price, or two years of Happ (a la the guys across town).

Edgy MD Dec 13 2018 08:19 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Rather than assign one guy the eighth and one the ninth, I prefer a team that looks to just one of those guys as needed for both the eighth and the ninth, with the other guy backing him up for an emergency, and if they're in another situation that needs a lockdown the next night, the other guy gets the call. It wouldn't work out this way, of course, but I'd prefer each guy get 40 appearances of two innings each, rather than 80 appearances of one inning each. It's probably less taxing and leaves the manager with an ace up his sleeve.

Mets Willets Point Dec 13 2018 08:26 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Edgy MD wrote: Rather than assign one guy the eighth and one the ninth, I prefer a team that looks to just one of those guys as needed for both the eighth and the ninth, with the other guy backing him up for an emergency, and if they're in another situation that needs a lockdown the next night, the other guy gets the call. It wouldn't work out this way, of course, but I'd prefer each guy get 40 appearances of two innings each, rather than 80 appearances of one inning each. It's probably less taxing and leaves the manager with an ace up his sleeve. Edgy for manager.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 08:26 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I like that idea too, but it seems to be too outside-the-box for today's managers. I think Familia will get more than a few save opportunities. There will be days when Diaz has been used two or three days in a row and then, if he's fresh, Jay-or-reese will be the designated closer for that day.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2018 08:40 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Joe Kelly just went to LA for 3/25. Would you guys have rather had a less-proven-but-apparently-on-the-rise guy (and one a little less defense-dependent) for that price?

seawolf17 Dec 13 2018 08:45 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Joe Kelly just went to LA for 3/25. Would you guys have rather had a less-proven-but-apparently-on-the-rise guy (and one a little less defense-dependent) for that price? Kelly is actually almost two years older than Familia, and not as good. No.

MFS62 Dec 13 2018 08:47 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Edgy MD wrote: He and Bruce create a new category: Ricochet Mets. How many guys besides those two were resigned immediately after being dealt in their walk year? Can't be too many, although honorary status has to to go to Greg McMichael. Frank Lary was traded to Milwaukee in 1964 and then purchased back from them in 1965. Is that a sub-category? Later

Centerfield Dec 13 2018 10:02 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

It feels so weird to be happy about a Mets transaction. I can't remember the last time I felt that way. Other than re-signing Cespedes a bunch of times, I can't remember being happy about a trade or signing. I didn't like any of the Bruce/Vargas crap from last year. Maybe trading to get Addison Reed? I must be forgetting someone right? On Edit: The Niese for Walker trade. I liked that one.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2018 10:49 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

MFS62 wrote: He and Bruce create a new category: Ricochet Mets. How many guys besides those two were resigned immediately after being dealt in their walk year? Can't be too many, although honorary status has to to go to Greg McMichael. Frank Lary was traded to Milwaukee in 1964 and then purchased back from them in 1965. Is that a sub-category? Later And, of course, the patron saint of all ricochet Mets is Harry Chiti.

MFS62 Dec 13 2018 11:25 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: He and Bruce create a new category: Ricochet Mets. How many guys besides those two were resigned immediately after being dealt in their walk year? Can't be too many, although honorary status has to to go to Greg McMichael. Frank Lary was traded to Milwaukee in 1964 and then purchased back from them in 1965. Is that a sub-category? Later And, of course, the patron saint of all ricochet Mets is Harry Chiti. He ricocheted away in the other direction. Another category? :) Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2018 11:26 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Didn't Mike Bordick resign with the Orioles after he left the Mets?

G-Fafif Dec 13 2018 02:13 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Bordick indeed got the flock back to the Orioles ASAP. Assuming Familia is used early in the 2019 season, his absence should measure sixth-shortest among Recidivist Mets. The Mets have played 69 games since his last pre-departure appearance with them. Shorter absences between terms: Greg McMichael (32 games) Kirk Nieuwenhuis (45 games) Jay Bruce (52 games) Kelly Johnson (60 games/222 days) Frank Lary (60 games/255 days) Unless somebody else is brought back from our distant past, Familia looms as the 48th Recidivist Met.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2018 02:29 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Of course, Pedro Feliciano had a couple of zero-game absences.

G-Fafif Dec 13 2018 02:51 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Edgy MD wrote: Of course, Pedro Feliciano had a couple of zero-game absences. Sui generis.

G-Fafif Dec 13 2018 07:23 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Feliciano left twice, didn't play in the majors and returned. Three pitchers left once, didn't play in the majors and returned. Terry Leach Mike Birkbeck P.J. Conlon

Rockin' Doc Dec 14 2018 06:21 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

I like this signing. Familia, Diaz, Gsellman, and Lugo should be a solid contingent to provide relief and close out games for Jake, Thor (surely the Mets aren't stupid enough to trade him), and Wheeler. Now the Mets need to add a reliable lefty to the pen.

seawolf17 Dec 14 2018 06:39 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Edgy MD wrote: Of course, Pedro Feliciano had a couple of zero-game absences. That is one of my favorite Mets historical quirks.

Vic Sage Dec 14 2018 10:06 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Rockin' Doc wrote: I like this signing. Familia, Diaz, Gsellman, and Lugo should be a solid contingent to provide relief and close out games for Jake, Thor (surely the Mets aren't stupid enough to trade him), and Wheeler. Now the Mets need to add a reliable lefty to the pen. Zamora was impressive last year in a small sample size, but i don't want to have to count on him as the sole LHP in the pen. We need an established LHP to fill out the staff, along with Rule V guy, Dowdy, unless we put Vargas in the pen and put Lugo in the rotation.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 10:14 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

That's what I was thinking; Vargas may end up in the bullpen.

Centerfield Dec 14 2018 10:28 AM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

The problem with Vargas is that he's not particularly good at getting out lefties (insert joke that he's not great against righties either). Last year, he was slightly more effective against lefties (.725 OPS against, versus .847 for righties). But his three year split (2016-18) is the opposite. .811 OPS against for lefties, .766 OPS against for righties. So he wouldn't really make a good LOOGY.

Centerfield Dec 14 2018 12:02 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

It's kinda surprising to me how hard it's been to get lefties into this pen. Wasn't long ago I feel like LOOGYs were a dime a dozen. Why is it so hard to find a funky sidearming left-hander that can come in to face FFF? And I don't remember these guys being particularly expensive. Dennis Cook. Chuck McElroy. 50 year old Jesse. I came across this one guy from the Indians who I think would be great. 1.39 ERA. 0.74 WHIP. .490 OPS Against for LHB Oliver Perez? Any of you guys ever hear of him?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 12:10 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

They mentioned him on Mets Hot Stove last night and everyone started chuckling.

Centerfield Dec 14 2018 12:23 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Benjamin Grimm wrote: They mentioned him on Mets Hot Stove last night and everyone started chuckling. Did they? I wish they would laugh at the idea of trading Syndergaard for a catcher.

Nymr83 Dec 14 2018 01:02 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

Mets Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Rather than assign one guy the eighth and one the ninth, I prefer a team that looks to just one of those guys as needed for both the eighth and the ninth, with the other guy backing him up for an emergency, and if they're in another situation that needs a lockdown the next night, the other guy gets the call. It wouldn't work out this way, of course, but I'd prefer each guy get 40 appearances of two innings each, rather than 80 appearances of one inning each. It's probably less taxing and leaves the manager with an ace up his sleeve. Edgy for manager. seconded.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 02:05 PM Re: Welcome back to La Familia

It's official: Mets e-mail announcement wrote: The Mets today announced that the club has signed right-handed pitcher Jeurys Familia to a three-year deal. "We are excited to bring Jeurys back to Flushing," Mets General Manager Brodie Van Wagenen said. "Jeurys is a familiar face and an accomplished, elite reliever with experience that will fit well in our clubhouse."