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Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

bmfc1 Dec 16 2018 02:42 PM

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos. 2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $. https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=C [tweet:1wvdzcyx]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet:1wvdzcyx]

metirish Dec 16 2018 03:03 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Much better than trading players

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 03:05 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

metirish wrote: Much better than trading players And draft picks. If this is true, then my very strong suspicion is that Pollock is next. Defense is a concern here, is it not?

smg58 Dec 16 2018 03:13 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Not a major concern, but he’s not as good with the glove as Realmuto or Grandal. Still, given the Marlins asking price for a Realmuto, this is a steal.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2018 03:20 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Reportedly two years, $19 million. I approve! And now we can stop talking about JT Realmuto. And hopefully Noah Syndergaard too, at least in the context that we've been talking recently.

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 03:36 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

And you can subtract around $3 million off the $9.5 million for Ramos once they cut d'Arnaud loose before Opening Day. Still money to play with. Pollock and a veteran loogy (one out of Blevins/Sipp/Perez/Wilson) are next.

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 03:38 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

And the two years aligns perfectly with when Realmuto is out there as a free agent going into his age 30 season. Suck on that, Jeter.

Ashie62 Dec 16 2018 03:39 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Yeah!!! Sandy couldn't have done any of there things? What a younger man can do

Edgy MD Dec 16 2018 03:45 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

He couldn't have? Did he not work Sundays? Pretty cool that Ramos comes without surrendering a compensation pick.

MFS62 Dec 16 2018 03:59 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos. 2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $. https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=C [tweet]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet] Waitaminnit! Who is Wilson Ramon? What position does he play? Oh, wait, it IS the catcher. So, there's only one thing left to say, "Fuck you, Jeter". Later

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 04:08 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos. 2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $. https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... position=C [tweet]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet] Waitaminnit! Who is Wilson Ramon? What position does he play? Oh, wait, it IS the catcher. So, there's only one thing left to say, "Fuck you, Jeter". Later I thought that he wrestled? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK8MgpuyXkw

Centerfield Dec 16 2018 04:15 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

I like this move. I get that Realmuto and Grandal are better, but the price is too high on JT, and Grandal wanted four years. Totally ok with this. And we still have Syndergaard, who we can use to trade for a LOOGY.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 16 2018 04:21 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Centerfield wrote: I like this move. I get that Realmuto and Grandal are better, but the price is too high on JT, and Grandal wanted four years. Totally ok with this. And we still have Syndergaard, who we can use to trade for a LOOGY. Still not any less Brodieleery?

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2018 04:26 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reportedly two years, $19 million. A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18). He's reached 450 PAs just twice in his career [2015, 16], sports a below average walk rate [.044 career], and there's that 76 OPS+ he rung up for 2014-15 combined that I'd hate to see repeat itself in Queens. On the other hand, the upside is pretty decent too [118 OPS+ for 2017-18] so this could wind up as an Asdrubal-like good signing, or a total disaster, or anywhere in between. I mean, I guess you could argue that all deals have that kind of risk/reward potential, but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most.

Centerfield Dec 16 2018 04:28 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

I am. If I judge him by his actions and not the rumors, he’s only made one bad move. If I judge him by the rumors he’s a moron. Clearly it’s unfair to do the latter. No one had Ramos on their radar. Familia either. I wonder how much validity any of these rumors have.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2018 04:33 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Frayed Knot wrote: ... but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most. What may also be more in play with this one as compared to most is the 'pending physical' thing.

Lefty Specialist Dec 16 2018 05:38 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Much better than trading good players. Now keep working, BVW.

Rockin' Doc Dec 16 2018 05:49 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

I like this signing. The Mets definitely needed an upgrade at catcher. There is no guarantee that this will work out, but if he can put up numbers (similar to what he has done the past 3 seasons) it will be a huge upgrade over what we have received from D'Arnaud. Not to mention D'Arnaud's less than stellar defense and history of injury. Best of all, this deal didn't cost Syndergaard, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario or prospects. Hopefully, this will end talk of trading Syndergaard.

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2018 05:52 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Lefty Specialist wrote: Much better than trading good players. Pretty much where I'm at. Surprised by weekend move. I was going to say yesterday I was starting to feel like everything would be back-burnered until after New Year.

RealityChuck Dec 16 2018 06:47 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Great pickup. Now the team has filled two of their major holes. Just need a center fielder. They'll probably not look for a first baseman and hope that Alonso is all he's cracked up to be.

Nymr83 Dec 16 2018 07:02 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reportedly two years, $19 million. A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18). He's reached 450 PAs just twice in his career [2015, 16], sports a below average walk rate [.044 career], and there's that 76 OPS+ he rung up for 2014-15 combined that I'd hate to see repeat itself in Queens. On the other hand, the upside is pretty decent too [118 OPS+ for 2017-18] so this could wind up as an Asdrubal-like good signing, or a total disaster, or anywhere in between. I mean, I guess you could argue that all deals have that kind of risk/reward potential, but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most. I like the signing, its hard to imagine 2 years 19 million as a TOTAL disaster - "total disasters" require a 3 year minimum commitment!

Mets Willets Point Dec 16 2018 07:03 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Do we do the Phish chant now? [youtube:2jmkcut7]IMuFa5JmRdE[/youtube:2jmkcut7]

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 07:27 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

smg58 Dec 16 2018 07:33 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

="Frayed Knot”] A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18).

MLBTR predicted three and 36 for Ramos, so it’s hardly an overshoot or anything close to one. Is it a risk? Of course. All deals are. And catchers come with more risk than most players. Is it a big risk? Compared to, say, dealing Nimmo and Rosario for a guy who had a lower OPS than Rosario last year? I would say no.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2018 07:33 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Nymr83 wrote: I like the signing, its hard to imagine 2 years 19 million as a TOTAL disaster - "total disasters" require a 3 year minimum commitment! If he misses half the season or more in either or both of these next two years (as he did in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2017 when he averaged 64 GP/season), and/or he puts up a .275 OBA w/a total of 26 HRs in 800+ ABs (as he did in 2014 + 2015), then there's going to be a whole lotta bitching about why BVW convinced the Wilpons to cough up nearly $10 million a year on a very large, very slow, oft-injured catcher on the wrong side of 30.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2018 07:45 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Ramos was never NYM property. Signed originally by Minnesota out of Venezuela, the then-2nd place Twins dealt Ramos, then stuck behind Joe Mauer, to the Nats for reliever Matt Capps at the 2010 July 31st deadline. The Twinkies wound up winning their division that year with Capps saving 16 games over the final two month but then -- repeat after me folks -- lost to the Yanx in three straight in the opening round. Capps next two seasons weren't nearly as successful and he pitched his last ML game at the age of 28 in 2012 and by 2013 Mauer was no longer capable of catching. Not sure who you might be thinking of.

Mex17 Dec 16 2018 07:58 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

My bad, it was Jesus Flores. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Flores

Centerfield Dec 16 2018 08:02 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Frayed Knot wrote: Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Ramos was never NYM property. Signed originally by Minnesota out of Venezuela, the then-2nd place Twins dealt Ramos, then stuck behind Joe Mauer, to the Nats for reliever Matt Capps at the 2010 July 31st deadline. The Twinkies wound up winning their division that year with Capps saving 16 games over the final two month but then -- repeat after me folks -- lost to the Yanx in three straight in the opening round. Capps next two seasons weren't nearly as successful and he pitched his last ML game at the age of 28 in 2012 and by 2013 Mauer was no longer capable of catching. Not sure who you might be thinking of. That almost makes it seem like one shouldn’t trade top prospects for relief pitchers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 16 2018 08:34 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

To the extent this prevented Brodie from trading half our team to the Marlins, I conditionally approve this move. Expect Jason Vargas to switch to a new uni # as Ramos wears 40 wherever he goes.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2018 08:37 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? You may be thinking of Jesus Flores.

Fman99 Dec 16 2018 08:44 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

I like it. Don't trade a stud pitcher that the fans love for your 7th or 8th most important batter. Duh. I think the Noah talk was a lot of smoke designed to bring in Ramos on the cheap (and a 2 year deal for < $20 mill is cheap, for a guy that can hit) with the idea that maybe people thought the Mets' most likely move was to deal players to Miami to get JT. Hopefully he can stay on the field and contribute. I also conflated him with Jesus Flores, FWIW.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2018 09:24 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Even better, it's two plus an option. Shaves off a lot of uncertainty.

smg58 Dec 17 2018 06:19 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? I always thought that was Ramos myself.

Centerfield Dec 17 2018 07:59 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Frayed Knot wrote: A bigger and longer package than I expected Fman getting old and not showing that range. 5 years ago, no way this one gets past him.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2018 08:18 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Like it more for what we didn't do than for what we did. Now they should sign that defensive catcher, Maldonado, to cover the other 200 ABs.

duan Dec 17 2018 10:04 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Colour me somewhat pleased by this. It'll be interesting to see if D'arnaud really is pencilled in to be the backup. I definitely think if you had the two of them sharing a job you definitely will get some good bang for not too many bucks!

sharpie Dec 17 2018 10:27 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Hope he works out better than the last two former Nats catchers we had, Brian Schneider and Jose Lobaton. It used to be that it was the Mets and Dodgers that had catcher symbiosis: Hundley, Piazza, Phillips, LoDuca. Guess that torch has passed.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2018 10:33 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Grote and Carter too.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2018 11:11 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

You get what you pay for.

d'Kong76 Dec 17 2018 11:17 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A bigger and longer package than I expected Fman getting old and not showing that range. 5 years ago, no way this one gets past him. Lol... Lost some of his penetrating wit?

G-Fafif Dec 17 2018 12:28 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Wilson's agent tweets client has passed physical, will wear 40.

cooby Dec 17 2018 12:29 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Frayed Knot wrote: Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Ramos was never NYM property. Signed originally by Minnesota out of Venezuela, the then-2nd place Twins dealt Ramos, then stuck behind Joe Mauer, to the Nats for reliever Matt Capps at the 2010 July 31st deadline. The Twinkies wound up winning their division that year with Capps saving 16 games over the final two month but then -- repeat after me folks -- lost to the Yanx in three straight in the opening round. Capps next two seasons weren't nearly as successful and he pitched his last ML game at the age of 28 in 2012 and by 2013 Mauer was no longer capable of catching. Not sure who you might be thinking of.

Mex17 Dec 17 2018 12:55 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

G-Fafif wrote: Wilson's agent tweets client has passed physical, will wear 40. It's never official to me until I see that "Welcome " announcement on my Facebook feed.

seawolf17 Dec 17 2018 01:19 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

I'm sort of fascinated how many of us - myself included - conflated Jesus Flores and Wilson Ramos.

smg58 Dec 17 2018 01:25 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Ramos filled in the void for the Nats left by Flores' injury-shortened career, which makes confusing the two that much easier. Flores had a pretty good year at St. Lucie in 2006, but the Minaya didn't think anybody would try to hide him on their major-league bench for a full season without him ever even seeing AA. The Nationals took the dare.

86-Dreamer Dec 17 2018 01:30 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

count me among the Flores/Ramos conflaters

Fman99 Dec 18 2018 04:07 AM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: A bigger and longer package than I expected Fman getting old and not showing that range. 5 years ago, no way this one gets past him. I'm embarrassed by that.

duan Dec 18 2018 04:31 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

86-Dreamer wrote: count me among the Flores/Ramos conflaters Moi aussi.....

Frayed Knot Dec 18 2018 04:57 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

A bigger and longer package than I expected Fman getting old and not showing that range. 5 years ago, no way this one gets past him. I actually didn't intend that line as a set-up or even realize how teed up it was -- even if just for a simple: 'That's what She said!'

Centerfield Dec 18 2018 08:14 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

BVW says Ramos is a middle of the order bat. The Braves have Acuna, Donaldson and FFF. We have Ramos. Jesus.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 18 2018 08:26 PM Re: Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

And Cano and Cespedes and Conforto.