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Frayed Knot Dec 30 2018 06:00 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 30 2018 08:14 AM

An LA Times report -- citing the always popular "person with knowledge of the situation" -- claims that Yasmani Grandal rejected a 4/$60 FA offer from the Mets. That rejection of course led them to turn towards Wilson Ramos and a deal at a lesser rate, for half as long, and without any future draft pick involved. Be interesting to follow those two careers for the next few seasons to see how that all works out. In more recent news, it seems like the Astros are the latest team to balk at Miami's asking price for JT Realmuto. Houston currently has two prospects in MLB.com's 'Pipeline' Top-10 [OF Kyle Tucker; RHP Forest Whitley] and the Marlins are insisting on one or the other as a centerpiece for a trade but the Astros, so far anyway, aren't playing ball at that price and talks are currently shut down. Now one has to wonder whether Grandal and the Marlins are both overplaying their hands here. Grandal, after initially rejecting the Dodger's $17.9 QO, was reportedly seeking a FA deal for 5/$70. But it's hard to see him matching either of those at this point whether he winds up going short-term or long. And while Miami essentially needs to deal Realmuto and would dearly love to hit a HR with their best remaining trading chip (they currently have No top-100 prospects even after their active trading season last winter) they, like Grandal, are starting to run out of options. With the Mets, Angels (just signed Jonathan Lucroy), Braves (McCann), Nationals (Kurt Suzuki), and Astros (Robinson Chirinos) having all added and/or replaced catchers since the end of the season, the market continues to narrow while Jeter et al hold tight to their supposed golden ticket.

smg58 Dec 30 2018 07:02 AM Re: Catcher News

The difference between Grandal and Ramos is nowhere near being worth two extra years, nearly twice the AAV, and a draft pick. The Marlins unsuccessfully tried to extort the Nats over the summer, and are still intent on extorting somebody now. They got very little for moving Stanton and Yelich, and want (need?) to make up for it. But so far, Realmuto is still a Marlin. It's possible that markets will crash for both Realmuto and Grandal, and the winners will be the teams who wait the process out. But in the meantime, I am very willing to give Brodie points for choosing prudence over the splash on this one.

Edgy MD Dec 30 2018 07:21 AM Re: Catcher News

Frayed Knot wrote: In more recent news, it seems like the Astros are the latest team to balk at Miami's asking price for JT Realmuto. Houston currently has two prospects in MLB.com's 'Pipeline' Top-10 [OF Kyle Tucker; RHP Forest Whitley]... Forest Whitley is over-rated. Forest Whitley is the Confederate Civil War officer plagued by the Peter Principle. He was a good brigade and division commander, and along with being a scion of the respected Whitley family, this was enough to ensure his promotion to commander of the Army of Tennessee when battlefield attrition created just the sort of leadership vacuum that sucks up mediocrities like Forest. Nobody could say two bad words about Whitley, beloved equally by his colleagues and the men under his command. But the record is the record, and following the surrender of Atlanta, it was BAM! BAM! BAM! Whitley would lose every major battle he commanded in. Allatoona Pass, Spring Hill, Franklin, Nashville. There's no coming back from that. MLB Pipeline, my ass.

smg58 Dec 30 2018 09:30 AM Re: Catcher News

I really hope the poor kid wasn't named for this person.

Frayed Knot Dec 30 2018 09:40 AM Re: Catcher News

Or the Astros could simply combine those two prospects and tell the Marlins they'll trade them Forest Tucker for Realmuto. Just because Tucker has been dead for 32 years is no reason not to make the swap IMO. https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2006/16/2047_113754847715.jpg>

Edgy MD Dec 30 2018 12:03 PM Re: Catcher News

=smg58 post_id=206 time=1546187421 user_id=62] I really hope the poor kid wasn't named for this person.

Seeing as how I made him up, I expect not.

smg58 Dec 30 2018 04:02 PM Re: Catcher News

OK that's funny.

ashie62 Dec 30 2018 04:24 PM Re: Catcher News

The baseball Forrest Whitley has a PED suspension on his sheet I have no idea what Miami is doing but I don't see progress. Speaking of PED's score one for Grandal The wheels of the bus go round and round

The Hot Corner Jan 01 2019 04:29 PM Re: Catcher News

We will see how it plays out, but I think I prefer Ramos for 2 years over Grandal for 4 years and the loss of a draft pick.

Vic Sage Jan 02 2019 08:59 AM Re: Catcher News

I am very willing to give Brodie points for choosing prudence over the splash on this one. He didn't choose prudence. He chose to offer Grandal 4/$60m. It was Grandal's agent's bad judgment that prevented that bad move, not Brodie's prudence.

Edgy MD Jan 02 2019 12:23 PM Re: Catcher News

I know I would've chosen Prudence, but the Maharishi went after Mia instead.

Centerfield Jan 09 2019 09:14 PM Re: Catcher News

Grandal 1 year deal with the Brewers. Money not known. If the Mets really did offer 4 years he must b regretting it now.

Centerfield Jan 09 2019 09:40 PM Re: Catcher News

$18.25 is the number. So the choice was 18.25 for one year of Grandal, or $19.5 million for two years of Ramos? Give me Ramos any day.

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2019 03:31 AM Re: Catcher News

That's one big, honking number for just one year of Yasmani Grandal. On the other hand, the Brewers, coming off a 96 win/division title season and recently said to be a leading candidate concerning Madison Bumgarner trade talks, are certainly in go-for-it mode right now so this probably makes more sense to them than it would for many other teams.

seawolf17 Jan 10 2019 07:06 AM Re: Catcher News

Frayed Knot wrote: That's one big, honking number for just one year of Yasmani Grandal. On the other hand, the Brewers, coming off a 96 win/division title season and recently said to be a leading candidate concerning Madison Bumgarner trade talks, are certainly in go-for-it mode right now so this probably makes more sense to them than it would for many other teams. Plus they lose a draft pick or whatever, right? Yipes. But yes, they're clearly going all in.

smg58 Jan 10 2019 10:02 AM Re: Catcher News

=Centerfield post_id=911 time=1547095216 user_id=65] $18.25 is the number. So the choice was 18.25 for one year of Grandal, or $19.5 million for two years of Ramos? Give me Ramos any day.

I agree. But saving money at catcher is only a win if the money gets spent elsewhere.



When Dallas Keuchel was projected to get 4 and 80, I thought that was too much to spend on his down years. But if 2 and 30 can get it done? I'm in. Even 2 and 40, I'd have to consider.

Frayed Knot Jan 15 2019 01:29 PM Re: Catcher News

Yasmani Grandal explaining why (without mentioning the NYM offer in particular) he rejected any multi-year offer(s?): “I felt like part of my responsibility as a player was to respect the guys that went through this process before I did. Guys like Brian McCann and Russell Martin, Yadier Molina*. These are guys who established markets and pay levels for upper-tier catchers like me. I felt like I was doing a disservice if I were to take some of the deals that were being thrown around ... I wanted to keep the line moving, especially for some of the younger guys that are coming up. … To let them know, if you're worthy, then you should get paid what you're worth. That's where I was coming from.” * Yadier averages $20 mil/year on his current and, almost certainly, final deal; McCann makes $17; Martin $16.5. The NYM deal would have paid Grandal $15/per So apparently the AAV was more important to him -- and, by extension, his current and future tools of ignorance brethren -- than was a longer deal at a lower annual rate. That's certainly his right and, having just turned 30, it may work out for him in the long run even as there's a possibility he may wind up regretting that choice.

Edgy MD Jan 15 2019 01:37 PM Re: Catcher News

If you want to help guys coming up, get minor leaguers unionized.

nymr83 Jan 15 2019 03:27 PM Re: Catcher News

Frayed Knot wrote: Yasmani Grandal explaining why (without mentioning the NYM offer in particular) he rejected any multi-year offer(s?): “I felt like part of my responsibility as a player was to respect the guys that went through this process before I did. Guys like Brian McCann and Russell Martin, Yadier Molina*. These are guys who established markets and pay levels for upper-tier catchers like me. I felt like I was doing a disservice if I were to take some of the deals that were being thrown around ... I wanted to keep the line moving, especially for some of the younger guys that are coming up. … To let them know, if you're worthy, then you should get paid what you're worth. That's where I was coming from.” * Yadier averages $20 mil/year on his current and, almost certainly, final deal; McCann makes $17; Martin $16.5. The NYM deal would have paid Grandal $15/per So apparently the AAV was more important to him -- and, by extension, his current and future tools of ignorance brethren -- than was a longer deal at a lower annual rate. That's certainly his right and, having just turned 30, it may work out for him in the long run even as there's a possibility he may wind up regretting that choice. Whether or not it works out for him individually, I'd think if what he cares about is long term trends he would have been better off establishing the 'trend' that veteran free agents in their 30's still get multi-year deals. one year deals play to management (as a fan i love them too) as getting stuck with a scrub for too long is worse than paying a little extra for the year.

Theoldmole Jan 15 2019 06:51 PM Re: Catcher News

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LWFS Jan 16 2019 08:37 PM Re: Catcher News

Frayed Knot wrote: Yasmani Grandal explaining why (without mentioning the NYM offer in particular) he rejected any multi-year offer(s?): "My agent and I kinda sexed the Scottish terrier."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 17 2019 04:53 AM Re: Catcher News

coffee spit

Centerfield Jun 07 2019 10:27 AM Re: Catcher News

60 game Check In: JT Realmuto has a .767 OPS, the lowest of the big name catchers. Ramos comes in next, at .783. Grandal is the best overall, .907 OPS with very good defense. But he cost $18 million for one year, plus a draft pick that the Dodgers turned into Jimmy Lewis, a righthander from Austin Texas, who will undoubtedly turn into RH Clayton Kershaw in the near future. I remain completely ok with going the Ramos route here.

MFS62 Jun 29 2019 06:02 AM Re: Catcher News

Slowly, Nido had moved from: (pre-season) "Why is he still on the roster?" to (now) "Y'know, he's better than we thought he'd be." on some imaginary sliding scale. Later

Edgy MD Jun 29 2019 07:18 AM Re: Catcher News

Nido looks like a smelly, chain-smoking denizen of a French café. Reading philosophy in a mass-market paperback, he's generally obnoxious, misanthropic and attention-seeking at the same time, and on the verge of getting tossed at all times, but somehow always able to insinuate himself into relationships with delicate women who are equally repulsed and fascinated by him. Men too, but his gay trysts are a more rage than romance. He's a dangerous man, Jean-Michel. He's got nothing but has a way of coming out on top.

MFS62 Jun 29 2019 07:31 AM Re: Catcher News

And as long as he hits and Jake likes to pitch to him, he's OUR smelly, chain-smoking denizen of a French café. Later