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J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

MFS62 Dec 31 2018 07:09 AM

Todd Bowles was fired, and I went into my happy dance. I don't feel sorry for him, he still will earn the $8 million due on his contract. I think Bart Scott summarized my feelings perfectly on the post game show. He noted that when the Jets hired Bowles, he came with the reputation of a top defensive mind with a good track record. We expected that he would build a shut-down defense and win games like Tennessee (I thought Baltimore), scoring just enough points to win. And Mac gave him the materials by spending a high proportion of draft and free agent capital on defensive players. And Bowles never could do it. Its as simple as that.  A textbook example of the Peter Principle, where someone is promoted to the level of his incompetence. He had to go. And it took too long. I just hope Mac is better picking a head coach than he was filling out a balanced roster. ​​​​​​​Later

Admin Dec 31 2018 07:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Bowles was 24-40 and lost 21 of his last 27. That's some suckitudo serioso. Like I've said for many years now, until the devil collects on Namath's soul Gang Green ain't going nowhere.

nymr83 Dec 31 2018 07:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

happy to see Bowles gone, but Mac still built a SHIT roster and deserved to be out the door with him. Now the next head coach is going to be saddled with a GM he doesnt want (or Mac will hand-pick a new coach - but then what? you fire them both next year?) unlike baseball (which i see as a "front-office sport" where any schmuck can manage) successful football starts with a coach and gives him a GM who will get him the personnel he needs for his schemes.

LWFS Dec 31 2018 01:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Mac absolutely deserved to go. Under Maccagnan (since 2015), the Jets rank 31st in drafted players still in the league. Only one of three second-rounders drafted during his tenure is still playing; NFL-wide, second-round draftees have stuck in the league at a 92-plus-percent rate over the last three years. That Bowles is apparently a bad (if decent and professional) head chef doesn't excuse the fact that he's been working with a largely-empty pantry.

Vic Sage Jan 02 2019 08:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Mac absolutely deserved to go. Under Maccagnan (since 2015), the Jets rank 31st in drafted players still in the league. Only one of three second-rounders drafted during his tenure is still playing; NFL-wide, second-round draftees have stuck in the league at a 92-plus-percent rate over the last three years. That Bowles is apparently a bad (if decent and professional) head chef doesn't excuse the fact that he's been working with a largely-empty pantry. this. Not only have Macagnan's drafts been terrible, so has been his FA signings, for the most part. The latest debacle is named Trumaine "what, me worry?" Johnson.

nymr83 Jan 02 2019 09:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

hearing about a bunch of head coach interviews, one that makes me gag is recently fired Dolphins coach Adam Gase. just no.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 02 2019 10:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

This should come as no surprise, but you show me a bad NFL team that morphed into a legitimate Super Bowl contender in a short amount of time, and without exception, I'll show you a team that absolutely killed it in the draft for a coupl'a years running. There's no other way to do it in the NFL. You can't simply buy or trade your way into contention in that league.

Vic Sage Jan 03 2019 08:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

exactly, which is why Macagnan has been so much more damaging to the Jets than Bowles could ever be. Head coaches don't win; talent wins. Coaches can LOSE, however, so its still important to get somebody who gets his team ready every sunday. But mostly its important to have a GM that knows the difference between a 2nd-round talent and a guy who can't even make it in the NFL. Its one thing to miss on day 3, and first-rounders can blow up sometimes, but its the Day 2 2nd/3rd rounders that make a team, and the Jets would've done better by throwing a dart at their board than letting Macagnan make the final call. 2015 - 2nd = D. Smith* / 3rd = Mauldin* 2016 - 2nd = Hackenberg* / J.Jenkins** 2017 - 2nd = Maye** / A.Stewart* 2018 - 2nd = (none) / Shepard * out of the league ** Jets starter So out of his 7 2nd/3rd round picks, he's picked 4 guys who aren't in the league anymore, 2 decent starters, and a backup who had a bad rookie season.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2019 11:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: So out of his 7 2nd/3rd round picks, he's picked 4 guys who aren't in the league anymore, 2 decent starters, and a backup who had a bad rookie season. Not nearly enough to turn around what is a dreadful team. There's also enormous pressure to draft wisely in the NFL, not only to improve the team, but to simply preserve the status quo. Football is such a brutally punishing game that a team is always losing some of its talent every year from injuries and the terrible physical toll the game subjects its players to. Vic Sage wrote: Head coaches don't win; talent wins. Coaches can LOSE.... I'm gonna disagree here. As a 49ers fan and follower, I saw first hand how the Niners and their savvy GM Scot Mcgloghan amassed an enormous amount of top tier talent about 15 years ago. Frank Gore and Vernon Davis. And Alex Smith. And Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman. And Joe Staley and Mike Iupati and Anthony Davis. But their coach Mike Singletary was a godammn neanderthal. The worst head coach I ever saw and that's saying someting because I'm a New Yorker and I have seen the Jets. Singletary was so bad that no one would coach for him. Smith played for seven different OC's in his first seven years. Singletary was so dumb that he was against the drafting of Patrick Willis, a Hall of Fame caliber talent and it was obvious from the moment Willis stepped on the field. Which was really weird because Singletary himself was not only a middle linebacker but considered an intelligent and cerebral kind of player. Anyway, without getting into the minutia of it all, including a most unimaginative smash-mouth offense the team still stunk with all that star talent until Singletary was finally fired and Jim Harbaugh was signed on. Harbaugh and his coaches transformed the Niners into Super Bowl contenders instantly. The talent was already there, for years.

Vic Sage Jan 03 2019 03:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

You're not disagreeing at all. You're just restating what I said. A good head coach can't make an insufficiently talented team win ("coaches don't win..."), but if a team has the talent, a good head coach will help a team flourish ("...talent wins."). A BAD head coach, however, can undermine a talented team ("coaches can LOSE").

MFS62 Jan 09 2019 07:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Reports from several sources (including AP) say that Adam Gase (recently the Dolphins' head coach) has ben hired as the new head coach of the Jets. Later

LWFS Jan 09 2019 07:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I mean, if you're going young, bright mind... you kind of want the young, bright mind that already failed once, right?

nymr83 Jan 09 2019 09:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Fuck. not the guy I wanted.

MFS62 Jan 10 2019 06:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

When I read the reports of the signing, it was like this, Blah blah blah blah HE BEAT BILL BELECHEK - TWICE blah blah blah. That jumps out on his resume, and that's ok with me. Also, Manning set records under Gase and Peyton even called Chris Johnson to plug him. Jay Cutler had by far his best season under Gase in Chicago, and even Tim Tebow had some success as a QB under Gase. Tim Tebow! I'm warming to the choice. Later

kcmets Jan 10 2019 09:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Division rival fires coach after three seasons (23-25) and Jets gobble him up. Brilliant!

kcmets Jan 10 2019 09:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Truthfully, I wait until Vic Sage comments on most Jets/Knicks moves before formalizing an opinion.

Vic Sage Jan 11 2019 11:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

what am I, EF Hutton? my thoughts (for what they're worth): - Gase was the kind of innovative offensive coordinator / QB whisperer that everybody always talks about wanting; - He went 10-6 in Miami and made the playoffs, and Tannehill looked like a pro QB; - Tannehill has been hurt (on and off) the past 2 seasons, and the team sucked, so they fired him; and - Belichek was fired in Cleveland before going to the Pats. I think that everything gets viewed through a SOJ perspective (and I'm as prone to that as anybody), so we look for reasons to say this was a bad move. And if we want to find reasons, we can. I'm just not ready to buy that yet. He has pro HC experience (so he doesn't have to learn how to be a HC on the job, unlike other candidates), but he's still a young guy, with a rep for innovative offenses that get the best out of QBs. Maybe, like Bill, he learned something about how to deal with players at his first stop, and now, with a talented healthy young QB, another top 3 pick and $100m to spend on FAs, he is primed to get it done. Or, you know, SOJ.

kcmets Jan 11 2019 12:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 11 2019 06:33 PM

I don't remember this one, very cute... [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetDSsgrWWk[/YOUTUBE]

nymr83 Jan 11 2019 02:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: another top 3 pick and $100m to spend on FAs you mean 100 mil for Mac to blow, right?

nymr83 Mar 11 2019 07:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jamison Crowder was a decent add. Bellamy could shore up that return spot that was a mess for years until last year (Roberts was good, but I think Bellamy could be better) I like the trade for Osemele - the jets have money to spare and taking on this contract seems like a nice risk. so far, so good - but where is the big splash? Paradis, Bell, Barr, Mosley, some of these guys better be coming...

nymr83 Mar 11 2019 07:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

BARR to the Jets! huge signing, great player and the potential to be even more as he was slightly out of position in Minnesota where they didn't really use him as a pass rusher as much as he could have been used - look at his college game

nymr83 Mar 12 2019 06:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

CJ Mosley picks the Jets, they only had to give him the largest inside linebacker contract in league history by about 4 million per year. the Jets still have cap room (so does Indy, who havent done anything so far - are they run by the Wilpons?)

nymr83 Mar 12 2019 11:10 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Barr changes his mind and will return to MIN - there we have it, our LOLJETS moment!

Vic Sage Mar 12 2019 12:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

more money to throw at Bell

nymr83 Mar 12 2019 12:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Bell, Paradis still not signed. likely playing jest like chumps to drive up bargains elsewhere. I think Bell is taking his time on purpose because he knows all eyes are on his twitter right now and he wisely came out with his music album yesterday which he is promoting. smart guy!

Vic Sage Mar 12 2019 12:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

they went into the FA period with major holes at Edge (OLB/DE), OL (Center, guard), RB, DT and CB. they've signed 1 WR, 1 STguy, 1 ILB, and traded for a guard. We can replace Barr with our 1stR pick and fill the hole at Edge, but if we don't get Paradis, plus a RB, a CB, and a DG, Magagnan has failed this off-season.

nymr83 Mar 12 2019 03:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Paradis to Panthers! Jets get DOODOO!

Frayed Knot Mar 12 2019 04:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Headline: PARADIS LOST

MFS62 Mar 12 2019 07:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: Headline: PARADIS LOST Laughing through the tears. Later

nymr83 Mar 12 2019 09:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=4199 time=1552414404 user_id=54] Bell, Paradis still not signed. likely playing jest like chumps to drive up bargains elsewhere. I think Bell is taking his time on purpose because he knows all eyes are on his twitter right now and he wisely came out with his music album yesterday which he is promoting. smart guy!

All the people posting rap lyrics about where Bell is going to sign on twitter are cracking me up.

MFS62 Mar 13 2019 07:05 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I think Bell is taking his time on purpose because he knows all eyes are on his twitter right now and he wisely came out with his music album yesterday which he is promoting. smart guy! He'll be Wearin' O the Green (and white) just in time for St. Patrick's Day. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-leveon-bell-plans-sign-jets-042220907.html 4 Years' worth o'green. Now they have to find some good offensive linemen to open holes for him. Later

kcmets Mar 13 2019 02:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

My Jet brain is exploding with $$$ and info... need Vic Sage to sum it up when the dust settles.

Vic Sage Mar 13 2019 02:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Bell! Bell!! Bell!!! Bell!!!! Bell!!!!!

Vic Sage Mar 13 2019 03:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Mar 13 2019 03:38 PM

with apologies to Frank Loesser... Ask me, how do I feel Ask me, now that we've got Mosely and Crowder Well sir, all I can say, is now we got Bell and I'm prouder! From the moment they signed last night That's the way I've just gotta behave Boy, we're ready to put up a fight And we'll soon have a banner to wave Ask me, how do I feel Me, with my low expectations Well sir, all I can say is i'm feeling same brand new sensations! And now we can watch and see some spectacular things Cuz now we've got Bell and we'll soon be sporting some rings Ask me, how do I feel 'bout our GM whose pay he's now earning Seriously, It was just yesterday when all of the bridges were burning Yes, I knew my morale would crack From the horrible way that they looked But, boy, now that he's shown the nack The other teams' geeses are cooked Ask me, how do I feel Ask me, now that i'm finally confessing Well sir, I finally feel like my team's coalescing Ask me, how do I feel about all these spectacular things Well, now we've got Bell and we'll soon be sporting some rings

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2019 03:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

You've neatly summed up the feelings of a lot of NYJ guys ... and probably some NYJ dolls too.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2019 03:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

You've neatly summed up the feelings of a lot of NYJ guys ... and probably some NYJ dolls too.

kcmets Mar 13 2019 06:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Wow, three thumbs up.

MFS62 Mar 13 2019 07:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Thank you, Vic. Later

Fman99 Mar 14 2019 05:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I'm pretty happy about this signing. I'd like to see them add a marquee WR, too, I don't know that there are any on the market at this point. Get the kid some weapons.

MFS62 Mar 14 2019 06:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Bell signing is nice, and signing a new guard was a start to improving the O-Line. But consider this: the Jets had one of the worst run-blocking units in the league last year, allowing their rushers to be stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage a league-high 26 percent of the time. Jets running backs also saw 39 percent of runs on third or fourth down, of two yards or less to go, fail to achieve a first down or touchdown; the league-average fail rate was 34 percent. More help is needed. Are you listening Mac? Later

Vic Sage Mar 14 2019 03:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

No doubt the failure to sign Paradis was a big miss. They need to both sign and draft centers, and other OLmen. And guess what... they STILL don't have a pass rush!

Vic Sage Mar 14 2019 03:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

as for more WRs, Bell is one of the best receivers in the league. Between him and the high ceilings on Herndon, Anderson and Enunwa, along with Crowder, i'm fine with what we've got. Much more important to get: -Center -OLB/Edge rusher -CBs

nymr83 Mar 14 2019 06:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

yeah the WR situation is fine. they signed Poole today to replace Skrine and i guess they think Roberts can be = Claiborne at least. Nickerson is the depth/dime guy. CB is a need but i dont see one out there and they didn't really miss on one either. Why no interest in Houston who remains unsigned?

Vic Sage Mar 15 2019 10:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

yes, he seems the obvious get, except they probably figure to have their choice of Bosa or Allen with the #3 pick and can fill that OLB/Edge slot for much less $$. Then, they can use the 3rdR pick on a center, or try to move up into the 2nd R to get one.

nymr83 Mar 15 2019 07:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

i'm take BOTH, thanks!

MFS62 Mar 15 2019 07:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: yes, he seems the obvious get, except they probably figure to have their choice of Bosa or Allen with the #3 pick and can fill that OLB/Edge slot for much less $$. Then, they can use the 3rdR pick on a center, or try to move up into the 2nd R to get one. I like your thinking, but I hope it is Allen. Bosa strikes me as the kind of player who gets his name called a lot by the announcers because they see his number on the top of the pile, rather than the guy under the pile who actually made the tackle. And they also know his name because of his brother's success. I fear he'll be one step too slow in tackling and one second too slow in play recognition. I hope if they get him, I won't have to say I told you so. Later

nymr83 Mar 15 2019 08:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Id like to see them sign Houston. Trade down and recoup a 2nd rounder. Draft OT in round 1 and C in round 2. Time to build the line again.

LWFS Mar 18 2019 10:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: as for more WRs, Bell is one of the best receivers in the league. Between him and the high ceilings on Herndon, Anderson and Enunwa, along with Crowder, i'm fine with what we've got. Bell is also one of the best blocking tailbacks in the league. He's fantastic at blitz pickup... which will help, given that our line has no real middle of which to speak. (It didn't have to be Paradis; oft-injured Morse would have worked, too.) Regarding defensive shoring... if McCagnan doesn't trade down for multiple 2nd/3rd rounders, I wonder whether we'd not be better off going well-lopsided rather than well-rounded, focusing on upping either the rush or the defensive backfield significantly, rather than the piecemeal improvements for both that our current resources/draft picks would allow. Like, go for Houston AND an Allen/Bosa.

Vic Sage Mar 19 2019 01:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

if you improve the pass rush, you don't really need to use resources to improve the secondary. But the reverse is not true, because if you allow an NFL QB enough time, he'll find a receiver against any secondary, given the way the rules work now. So i'd be all in on signing Houston, then drafting either Bosa or Wiliams. Then, draft a C and a CB in the 3rd round, and take a flyer on another Edge prospect somewhere after that.

Vic Sage Mar 22 2019 11:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Its a moot point, with Justin Houston signing with the Colts (2yr/$24m)

nymr83 Mar 25 2019 05:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Happy Retirement to Gronk! We wont miss you!

Vic Sage Mar 25 2019 12:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 8 time(s), most recently on Mar 26 2019 08:31 AM

Who is Brady's safety valve now? Edelman, i guess. But i won't cry about him having one less weapon. meanwhile, Jets re-sign 2 of their own FAs, OLB/DE Copeland and TE Sterling. Good moves. Jets Depth Chart (53-man roster): Offense (24-26) QB: Darnold / Sieman / (Webb) (QB = 2-3) RB: Bell / McGuire / Cannon / (Henderson) (RB = 3-4) WR1: Anderson / Burnett (WR = 6-7) WR2: Enunwa / Peake WR3: Crowder / Bellamy / (4th round pick) TE: Herndon / Tomlinson / Sterling / (Leggett) (TE = 3-4) LT: Beachum / (6th round pick) (OL = 8-10) LG: Osemele / Compton C: (3rd round pick #1) / Harrison RG: Winters / Braden RT: Shell / Qvale Defense (24-26) RDE: Anderson / Shepard (DL = 5-6) NT: McLendon / (Fatukasi) LDE: L.Williams / (7th round pick) ROLB: Jenkins / (Copeland) (LB = 7-9) RILB: Williamson / Hewitt LILB: Mosley / (Lee) LOLB: (1st round pick) / (Luvu) SS: Adams / Miles (S/DB = 4-5) FS: Maye / Middleton RCB: Johnson / (Robinson) / (Clark) (CB = 6-8) 5DB: Poole / Nickerson LCB: (3rd round pick #2) / Roberts / (DJones) Special Teams (3): K: Catanzaro P: Edwards LS: Hennessy

Vic Sage Mar 25 2019 12:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 26 2019 08:28 AM

With the top FAs gone, we still have to find 3 decent starter-level players at (in order of priority) 1) OLB, 2) Center, and 3) CB, either in draft or by trade. Maybe they can get a CB or a Center for Lee (whose been displaced by Mosley), but they won't be able to get an edge rusher for just Lee. So that's why LOLB/Edge has to be their primary target for their 1st round pick. They're not going to get a starter in the 3rd round at that position, whereas they might be able to with the CB and center positions (or at least cover those positions through trade and remaining FAs). Jets Draft order (in order of need): 1 = OLB/Edge 3 = Center 3 = CB 4 = WT 6 = OT 7 = DT/E

Vic Sage Mar 25 2019 01:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So, if either BOSA or ALLEN are there at #3, they should take him. If its anybody else, they should trade down and pick up an OLB later in the 1st round, plus 2nd round pick for a center, and an extra 1stR next year. Meanwhile they should trade Lee for either a 2nd round pick, or a decent starting CB.

nymr83 Mar 26 2019 01:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Adam Gase on Gronk's retirement "i'll believe it when I see it" - we're so burned by the Patriots that he is afraid the guy will unretire just to face the Jets or something

LWFS Mar 26 2019 07:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: So, if either BOSA or ALLEN are there at #3, they should take him. If its anybody else, they should trade down and pick up an OLB later in the 1st round, plus 2nd round pick for a center, and an extra 1stR next year. Meanwhile they should trade Lee for either a 2nd round pick, or a decent starting CB. Quinnen Williams kinda has that best-player-in-the-draft vibe about him, though, doesn't he? Think we can get the #13 pick and something in the second from the QB-starved Dolphins? Somebody like Combine All-Star Montez Sweat might be available right around there.

nymr83 Mar 26 2019 08:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I wouldn't want to trade all the way down to 13 for a 2nd rounder. We need 2 or 3 of them.

nymr83 Mar 27 2019 07:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Gase, asked about when Brady will retire “I don't know. When I wake up, I feel like shit. And he's older than me.” love it

Vic Sage Mar 27 2019 12:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

we paid 3 2nd rounders just to move up from 6 to 3 last year. Why would we settle for just 1 2nd to move all the way down 13. The only reason to do this is to fill multiple holes AND your #1 guy isn't on the board at 3, so they need to wait until they're on the clock to move down, unless they get an overwhelming offer

41Forever Apr 02 2019 02:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Uniwatch reporting this draft cap release might be a peek at the new Jets logo, which isn't much different than the current Jets logo. (If that's the case, I'm OK with that, because I like the Jets' uniforms.) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3GcDQ6VAAUjzea.jpg>

MFS62 Apr 09 2019 07:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Rugby anyone? https://sports.yahoo.com/former-nrl-star-holmes-signs-045328361.html Later

kcmets Apr 25 2019 11:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Happy Mel Kiper Day! Who's Mel Kiper? No one knows... Vic Sage we miss you, at least I do.

dgwphotography Apr 25 2019 01:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I miss Vic, too. I always thought Mel Kiper was Elvis' illegitimate son.

MFS62 Apr 25 2019 03:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Don't get too cute, Mac. Just pick the best player available.(and I hope it isn't Bosa) Later

MFS62 Apr 25 2019 06:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Quinnen Williams http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26605988/jets-take-alabama-dl-williams-3rd-pick I'm happy. Later

kcmets Apr 25 2019 09:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Was this Mel Kiper's projected pick? Did Mel Kiper approve of this pick? I can't sleep until I know what Mel Kiper's take was on the pick.

LWFS Apr 26 2019 11:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The kid seems about as adorable as a 300-lb. 20 year-old can be. Provided his doofy combine interviews don't betray a real disinterest in self-study/hard work, the second-rounder Polite looks like a first-round talent/real get in the third-round. (I'd feel even better if the Pats hadn't picked the other best-available edge rush guy in Winovich a few picks later.)

MFS62 Apr 27 2019 06:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

If Darnold is constantly dinged up because his O line can't protect him, or if Bell can't run because the O-line can't open any holes for him, then you will realize how frustrating Mac is as a GM. To paraphrase Dick Young (describing a bad fielder) Mac treats offensive linemen like they explode on contact. Mac bought us a Porsche, but it will never get out of first gear as long as he continues ignore the thin interior of the offensive line. The one draft pick of a tackle isn't enough. Later

nymr83 Apr 27 2019 11:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

the Jets didn't have a second rounder, there wasn't an offensive lineman worth the 3rd overall pick (highest drafted was 11th), and the guy they DID take in the 3rd round was graded as ONE OF THE BEST PASS-BLOCKERS IN COLLEGE last year... who needs some work run-blocking. good kind of guy to pick for a team looking to protect a QB. i'd agree the Jets failed in free agency on the line, but not on draft day

MFS62 Apr 28 2019 04:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I said INTERIOR. You know, center (there is only one on the roster) or guard (the ones they have are mediocre and/or nearing the ends of their contracts. Later

Vic Sage Apr 29 2019 01:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Grading the Jets draft: R1 /#3 - DT Quinnen Williams, Alabama = A QWill was the best available player and has the potential to be a pro bowl DT, but they needed an OLB more, and they needed a CB and a Center just as much, so a trade down would have been good to fill the holes. But a trade-down takes a willing partner, and if there wasn't one, then there wasn't. If they had to stay at #3, then QWill was as good as we could have hoped for. Perhaps his inside pressure will allow L.Will to become a dominant force, the way we always hoped he'd be. R3 /#4 (68 overall) - LB Jachai Polite, Florida= A or F (for a C average) A 1st round talent with so many red flags that he wasn't even on the board for a lot of teams. If he's the impact Edge pass-rusher that we need, then this is a great pick. But if he's the moron malcontent he appeared to be at the Combine and his Pro Day, then he'll be of limited use, and then out of the league entirely. It feels like this is a boom-or-bust pick by a GM who is desperate for a homerun, rather than one who is methodically building a winning team. We'll see, i guess. But lets also remember that the Patriots took Chase Winovich (Michigan) a few picks later, so this is a straight-up challenge pick. Frankly, i'd rather have Winovich. His ceiling is lower, but his floor is higher. R3/#28 (92) - T Chuma Edoga, USC = B or D (for a C average) They traded up one spot (giving up a R#7 pick) to take an OT with potential but with a number of red flags of his own. Like Polite, Edoga is a boom-or-bust prospect, and not at a position of immediate need, so, again, this pick smacks of desperation. Sure, if Edoga develops he'll be useful in 2 years (when both our OTs become FAs) but until then he's a backup at best. Depth is good, but with their 3rd pick? How about somebody who could beat out Roberts as our CB2, like Jamel Dean or Julian Love? Or If they had earlier taken a safer prospect than Polite (like OG/C Michael Dieter), then they could have then taken the edge rusher here that the Giants took, Ximines. Overall, I would much prefer a 3rd round with Winovich/edge + Dean/CB, or with Dieter/OL + Ximines/edge, rather than Polite/edge + Edoga/OT. This could work out great or be a total washout and, based on Maccagnan's draft history, i'd bet on the latter. R4/#3(105): With a high pick in the 4th round and many decent DB prospects still on the board, they traded down to #13 (115) to pick up a late 5th round pick; R4/#14(116):They trade down again, to improve their 5th round pick; R4/#19 (121)- TE Trevon Wesco, West Virginia = C- A blocking TE? Really? They are a dime a dozen in the NFL, and we have an excellent young TE already. Still available here were CBs Love, Sheffield, I.Johnson, I.Marshall, and Oruwarye, and OG/C prospect Michael Jordan, who would all later go before their next pick and all of whom will have been more useful (if they developed). R5/#19 (157) - LB Blake Cashman, Minnesota - C or D (C- average) So all the trading down in the 4th round netted us this former walk on, a special teams guy and ILB whose had multiple surgeries. WTF? Another depth pick, when the last decent OG/C prospect, Lamont Gaillard, was still on the board. R6/#23 (196) - CB Blessuan Austin, Rutgers - B or F (C- average) They finally take a CB and he's got some potential but huge medical red flags. Knee injuries limited him to one game last season and five in the last two years. For all anybody knows, he may never actually play again. R7?#3 (217): traded away to move up 1 spot in the 3rd round to take Edoga; Minny took CB Kris Boyd. Because, apparently, we don't need any CBs. OVERALL: C After Williams, it was all "boom or bust" high risk picks, particularly with having so few picks to start with. Plus, we didn't address either the CB2 or C1 holes in our roster. This is what happens when you let a GM on the hot seat decide the fate of the franchise.

Vic Sage Apr 29 2019 01:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 3 time(s), most recently on May 01 2019 03:22 PM

Jets Depth Chart (53-man roster): Offense (25) QB: Darnold / Sieman [QB = 2] RB: Bell / Montgomery / McGuire / Cannon [RB = 4] WR1: Anderson / Bellamy [WR = 7] WR2: Enunwa / Peake WR3: Crowder / Burnett / Henderson, or Gortch*, or White TE: Herndon / Wesco / Sterling or Leggett [TE = 3] LT: Beachum / Edoga [OL = 9] LG: Osemele / Compton C: ______? / Harrison RG: Winters RT: Shell / Qvale Defense (25) RDE: Anderson / Shepard [DL = 5] NT: Q.Williams / McLendon LDE: L.Williams ROLB: Jenkins / Luvu [LB = 9] RILB: Williamson / Lee /Cashman LILB: Mosley / Hewitt LOLB: Copeland / Polite SS: Adams / Miles [S/DB = 4] FS: Maye / Middleton RCB: Johnson / Robinson [CB = 7] 5DB: Poole / Nickerson LCB: ______? / Roberts / Austin or DJones Special Teams (3): K: Catanzaro P: Edwards LS: Hennessy KR/PR: Cannon, Henderson/Gortch*/White * UDFA WR, with a chance to make team as PR/KR

Vic Sage Apr 29 2019 01:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets UDFAs signed so far (none are ranked in the top ten of UDFAs at their positions): S John Battle DB Kyron Brown WR Greg Dortch DT Fred Jones OT Wyatt Miller RB Jalin Moore LB Jamey Mosley DE Kyle Phillips S Santos Ramirez DT Trevon Sanders DT Myquon Stout

nymr83 Apr 29 2019 05:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Your comment doesnt make sense to me on Edoga. How can a pick that doesnt full an immediate need be "desperation"? A desperation pick would be taking a guy earlier in the draft than his talent suggests because you have a huge need (see: NY Giants QB)

LWFS Apr 29 2019 10:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Edoga pick WAS a desperation pick. You know how I know? They watched three interior linemen go just before him, then traded up one pick to make it.

Vic Sage May 01 2019 11:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It was "desperation" in the sense that he's boom-or-bust. You swing for the fences when your losing. You make good solid contact when you're winning. He thought he needed to take a bunch of risks so ONE of them will hit and he can keep his job.

nymr83 May 01 2019 11:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Kiper loves him! (eye roll)

Vic Sage May 01 2019 03:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

well that settles it, then!

Vic Sage May 10 2019 01:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

updated UDFAs signed by Jets so far: RB Jalin Moore, Appalachian State WR Greg Dortch, Wake Forest WR Jeff Smith, Boston College G Tyler Jones, NC State OL Toa Lobendahn, USC OL Wyatt Miller, UCF DL Justin Alexandre, Incarnate Ward DL Fred Jones, Florida State DL Kyle Phillips, Tennessee DL Trevon Sanders, Troy DL MyQuon Stout, Appalachian State LB Jeff Allison, Fresno State LB Jabril Frazier, Boise State LB Jamey Mosley, Alabama CB Kyron Brown, Akron S John Battle, LSU S Santos Ramirez, Arkansas

Frayed Knot May 10 2019 03:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: DL MyQuon Stout, Appalachian State I wonder if there any bars in Boone, NC (home of Appy State) that sell MyQuon Stout? If there aren't there should be, if for no other reason than for the hazy recollections, starting about the third round, as to whether this is my MyQuon or if I'm getting it mixed up with your MyQuon. And, by the way, just who IS on first?

kcmets May 15 2019 10:07 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Breaking news: GM Mike Maccagnan given the ol' boot-a-roo!

kcmets May 15 2019 10:11 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1128689245781221376[/TWEET]

Vic Sage May 15 2019 11:24 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

so they let him go through free agency, throwing around scads of money to inside linebackers and running backs, and then go through the draft, determining the team's personnel for the immediate future, and THEN fire him? sigh. SOJ. :(

dgwphotography May 15 2019 12:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

There has to be more to this. Even the Jets aren't that crazy, are they?

seawolf17 May 15 2019 01:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=dgwphotography post_id=10056 time=1557944983 user_id=78] There has to be more to this. Even the Jets aren't that crazy, are they?

Yeah, there's definitely more to this story. Firing them three weeks *after* the draft?

nymr83 May 15 2019 01:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: SOJ. that is all there is to say.

kcmets May 15 2019 01:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

There has to be more to it... it'll come out, it always does these days.

MFS62 May 15 2019 07:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Like Billy Joel, Chris Johnson went out to the Jets' house in Hackensack, looked at the roster and asked, "Is that all you get for your money?" Then, he sacked that hack Mac. Later

nymr83 Aug 01 2019 07:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets Just paid 8 mil to coax center Ryan Kalil out of retirement. Who knows what he has left but given the incumbent, its a great idea!

Vic Sage Aug 02 2019 08:10 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

yes! now we just need to get Darrelle Revis... circa 2009

nymr83 Aug 08 2019 06:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets kicker, already having a poor camp, missed 2 extra points tonight so far in preseason game... and in typical Jets fashion they dont even have a guy in camp to compete with him.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2019 07:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So why is the Jets/Giants game the first exhibition (don't tell the NFL I used that word ... they may have me imprisoned) game this year? I know it has traditionally been the third game on (I assumed) the basis of that one being the lone semi-meaningful one they play.

nymr83 Aug 08 2019 07:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: So why is the Jets/Giants game the first exhibition (don't tell the NFL I used that word ... they may have me imprisoned) game this year? I know it has traditionally been the third game on (I assumed) the basis of that one being the lone semi-meaningful one they play. because they play each other i the regular season this year and dont want to trot their starters out for 3 quarters in the 3rd preseason game against an in-season opponent

MFS62 Aug 11 2019 07:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets kicker, already having a poor camp, missed 2 extra points tonight so far in preseason game... and in typical Jets fashion they dont even have a guy in camp to compete with him. He retired today, and they did bring in a replacement - probably another one later. https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-kicker-chandler-catanzaro-retires-125330492.html That was like turning yourself in before the police come to your home to arrest you. Later

nymr83 Aug 11 2019 10:41 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Haha yeah he avoided the 'perp walk'

kcmets Aug 11 2019 02:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Familia!

HahnSolo Aug 16 2019 12:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Torn ACL for Avery Williamson. Jets are cursed.

nymr83 Aug 16 2019 02:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=HahnSolo post_id=19053 time=1565981691 user_id=63] Torn ACL for Avery Williamson. Jets are cursed.

the pass defense immediately improved with this injury. but he'll be missed big time on rushing downs

Vic Sage Aug 19 2019 11:44 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Too bad we gave away Lee for virtually nothing.

nymr83 Aug 19 2019 04:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: Too bad we gave away Lee for virtually nothing. Yeah that really made no sense. There wasnt a cap crunch or anything.

Vic Sage Aug 22 2019 10:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Copeland suspended for PEDs. the LB situation just got a little bit worse.

nymr83 Aug 22 2019 11:10 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: Copeland suspended for PEDs. the LB situation just got a little bit worse. This defense looks mediocre at best

Vic Sage Aug 22 2019 12:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

i didn't think Copeland would be the difference between a good or mediocre defense. I think Moseley and Adams are great, Jenkins and L.Will are good, and Anderson and Maye are serviceable. The 3 big factors that will determine whether or not the D is good this year are: 1) Trumaine Johnson - Is he healthy enough to return to the form he had as a good CB, under his former coach, Greg Williams? 2) Polite - can this Edge rusher give us anything? 3) Q.Williams - can this highly touted rookie have an impact, not just on collapsing the pocket, but on setting L.Will free? If the answer to all 3 is "Yes", then we have a chance to be a GREAT defense. 2 out of 3? good. 1 out of 3? mediocre 0 out of 3? oy.

MFS62 Aug 22 2019 02:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Copeland made a post explaining his PED violation. He said he took a supplement that was advertised as safe, but had a banned substance not listed on the product. He said he doesn't believe in cheating the system, but accepts the consequences. I believe him. He's ultimately responsible for what goes into his body, but this looks like an honest mistake that was mostly attributed to false advertising. Here's his statement: https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-brandon-copeland-explains-led-131031861.html Later

kcmets Aug 22 2019 02:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Yeahbutt, isn't he like the 1000th guy to say, "that shit was tainted, man!"?

MFS62 Aug 22 2019 02:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Yeahbutt, isn't he like the 1000th guy to say, "that shit was tainted, man!"? Yes, but I like the fact that he is taking it (no double entendre intended) like a man and not whining about it. Later

nymr83 Aug 22 2019 07:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: i didn't think Copeland would be the difference between a good or mediocre defense. I think Moseley and Adams are great, Jenkins and L.Will are good, and Anderson and Maye are serviceable. The 3 big factors that will determine whether or not the D is good this year are: 1) Trumaine Johnson - Is he healthy enough to return to the form he had as a good CB, under his former coach, Greg Williams? 2) Polite - can this Edge rusher give us anything? 3) Q.Williams - can this highly touted rookie have an impact, not just on collapsing the pocket, but on setting L.Will free? If the answer to all 3 is "Yes", then we have a chance to be a GREAT defense. 2 out of 3? good. 1 out of 3? mediocre 0 out of 3? oy. #1 is the biggest question and will have the greatest impact. Maye has yet to prove he can stay healthy - that is another question mark. Polite, a 3rd rounder, is still practicing mostly with the 3rd team defense - that says the answer to #2 is mostly "fuck no"

HahnSolo Aug 23 2019 10:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I rarely watch preseason football or follow how things are going in camp, but one of the Jets boards I lurk at is implying that Polite is not looking good at all.

nymr83 Aug 23 2019 10:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I rarely watch preseason football or follow how things are going in camp, but one of the Jets boards I lurk at is implying that Polite is not looking good at all. His lack of practice time with the "1st team" or even the 2nd team is all the evidence you need that so far, he sucks!

Vic Sage Aug 29 2019 11:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

word is Polite might meet the Turk on cut-down day, unless he makes an impact in the final pre-season game. A 3rd round pick that can't even make the team? another example of why Macagnan sucked.

nymr83 Aug 29 2019 03:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: word is Polite might meet the Turk on cut-down day, unless he makes an impact in the final pre-season game. A 3rd round pick that can't even make the team? another example of why Macagnan sucked. Not just cant make an average team, but cant make THIS team at a position of need! Macagnan needed to go with Bowles, BEFORE free agency and the draft

Vic Sage Aug 29 2019 03:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

don't get me started. grrrrr

MFS62 Aug 29 2019 07:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

They need a kicker. Later

MFS62 Sep 01 2019 04:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

In post-cut down roster moves, the Jets have: Signed: WR Braxton Berrios DL John Franklin-Myers K Kaare Vedvik - there is rejoicing in Jets land. S Bennett Jackson Waived: WR Greg Dortch S Doug Middleton K Taylor Bertolet Released: LB Albert McClellan Later

Vic Sage Sep 03 2019 11:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2019 12:41 PM

They put Qvale on the IR and re-signed McClellan, and re-signed Dortch to practice squad. So here's the current roster/depth chart: 53 MAN ROSTER * Quarterbacks (2): Sam Darnold, Trevor Siemian - They signed Falk to practice squad and cut Webb. It's Darnold's team now; we go as far as he takes us. *Running Backs (4): Le'Veon Bell, Ty Montgomery, Bilal Powell, Trenton Cannon - They cut McGuire; Bell and Montgomery could be the best RB/WR combo backfield in NFL this season. *Tight Ends (3): Ryan Griffin, Trevon Wesco, Daniel Brown - starter Herndon is suspended for first 4 games and they cut Tomlinson; not a promising group behind Herndon. *Offensive Line (9): Kelvin Beachum, Kelechi Osemele, Ryan Kalil, Brian Winters, Brandon Shell; Edoga, Alex Lewis, Jonotthan Harrison, Tom Compton - Qvale put on IR; line hasn't played together much which is a problem. *Wide Receivers (5): Robby Anderson, Quincy Enunwa, Jamison Crowder, Josh Bellamy, Braxton Berrios - they signed Berrios and cut Dortch, but re-signed him for practice squad; they still may add a WR since Bellamy and Berrios are primarily ST players, leaving them without a legit 4th WR, although Montgomery can also be used as a wideout. Still, I would have preferred they kept Burnett. He had good rapport with his college buddie, Darnold. *Defensive Line (9): Henry Anderson, Quinnen Williams, Leonard Williams; Bronson Kaufusi, Steve McLendon, Folorunso Fatukasi; Kyle Phillips, Nathan Shepherd, John Franklin-Myers- they signed Franklin-Meyers and didn't cut anybody! they shouldn't be carrying more than 6 or 7 DLs (many teams get by with 5), so if they sign a CB and a WR (which they should), they need to cut at least 2 DLs (probably from among Philips, Sheperd, F-Myers). Even if they play a lot of 4-3, they still don't need more than 8. But either way, the DL should be the strength of the defense. *Linebackers (8): Jordan Jenkins, C.J. Mosley, Neville Hewitt, Frankie Luvu; Basham, McLellan, Blake Cashman, Harvey Langi - they cut 3rd round pick Polite, lost Williamson for the season, Copeland is suspended first 4 games, and McLellan (cut but resigned when Qvale went on IR) is primarily a ST player, so this is a thin group and still lacks an edge rusher that can make an impact, even if Franklin-Meyers gets snaps there too. *Cornerbacks (5): Trumaine Johnson, Darryl Roberts, Brian Poole; Arthur Maulet, Nate Hairston - They added Hairston via trade, traded away Nickerson, put Blessuan Austin on IR, and cut just about all other prospects from camp. Waiver pickup FS Bennett Jackson can play CB, but they need at least 1 more real CB. This is going to be a major problem area this season. *Safeties (5): Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye; Rontez Miles, Matthias Farley, Bennett Jackson - they cut Middleton, adding Farley and Jackson. Adams/Maye is best starting safety combo in NFL, if Maye stays healthy. *Special teams (3): Kaare Vedvik, Thomas Hennessy, Lachlan Edwards - they cut Bertolet and signed Vedik, which should be a major upgrade. Cannon and Berrios will handle K/P return chores. Reserved Lists *Suspended (2): Chris Herndon, Brandon Copeland *Injured Reserved (6): Jalin Moore, Avery Williamson, Bucky Hodges, Brandon Bryant, Charles Tapper, Qvale *Active Non Football Injury (1): Blessuan Austin PRACTICE SQUAD (11): *Josh Adams (RB) *Calvin Anderson (OT) *Ben Braden (OT/G) *Kyron Brown (CB) *Ian Bunting (TE) *Greg Dortch (WR) *Luke Falk (QB) *Valentine Holmes (RB/WR)[International Pathways - 11th slot] *Josh Malone (WR) *Jamey Mosley (LB) *Jeff Smith (WR) I would've preferred they kept Burnett (WR) and Kyron Brown (CB), cutting DLs Phillips and Sheperd and adding them to practice squad. But otherwise, no big issues. The cut of Polite, and his failure to be added to anybody else's 53-man roster just shows how awful Macagnan was.

MFS62 Sep 03 2019 07:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

With that many defensive linemen, I'm guessing they will be playing mostly in a 4-3 defense for the first time in years. It seems to fit their personnel and with the lack (still) of a dominant outside pass rusher, they'll have to put pressure on the QB from the inside. Later

HahnSolo Sep 04 2019 08:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

What's the word on the kicker? Know nothing about him.

MFS62 Sep 04 2019 07:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=HahnSolo post_id=20834 time=1567607387 user_id=63] What's the word on the kicker? Know nothing about him.

Has punted as well as place kicked.

Strong leg.

VERY strong leg.

Not too accurate (sigh).

Later

Vic Sage Sep 05 2019 12:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

About Macagnan, Here is his complete drafting record with the Jets, representing 5 drafts from 2015-2019: 1st R= (5 picks) 4 starters (L.Will, Adams, Darnold, Q.Will) , 1 non-Jets reserve (Lee/Cleve) 2nd R= (3 picks) 1 starter (Maye), 1 non-Jets reserve (D.smith/Dallas), 1 cut (Hackenberg) 3rd R= (6 picks) 1 starter (Jenkins), 2 reserves (Shepherd, Edoga), 1 non-Jets practice squad (Polite/Sea), 2 cuts (Mauldin, Stewart) 4th R= (5 picks) 1 starter (Herndon), 1 Reserve (Wesco), 3 cuts (Petty, Burris, Hansen) 5th R= (5 picks) 1 starter (Shell), 1 reserve (Cashman), 1 non-Jets practice squad (Leggett), 2 cuts (Harrison, Donahue) 6th R= (7 picks) 3 reserves (Fatukasi, Cannon, Austin), 1 non-Jets reserve (Nickerson), 1 non-Jets practice squad (McGuire), 2 cuts (Clark, Jones) 7th R= (3 picks) 1 starter (Edwards), 2 cuts (Simon, Peake) So, Macagnan drafted 34 players in all. Of those, the Jets still retain 16 players (less than 1/2), including 9 starters that include 2 pro-bowlers (L.Williams, Adams), 2 potential pro-bowlers (Q.Will, Darnold), 3 solid starters (Jenkins, Maye, Edwards) and 2 marginal starters (Shell, Herndon). Of the 18 players he drafted that are no longer with the Jets, only 3 are on the active roster of any other team, with 3 more on practice squads, leaving 12 out of 34 players he drafted over the last 5 years currently unemployed. further analysis shows that he hit on 4 out of 5 1st rounders (duh!), but got only 2 starters and 2 reserves out of the 9 picks on "Day 2" (the 2nd & 3rd rounds), with 4 of the 5 remaining picks not currently on any active roster (1 is). His 20 picks on "day 3" (4th-7th rounds) are equally abysmal, with 3 starters and 6 reserves (5 with Jets) currently on any roster. Out of 29 non-1st round picks, he picked only 5 starters and 9 reserves (7 still with Jets). That's a 41% success rate, while hitting on only 17% for starters after the 1st round. Is this normal for a GM? above or below average? It sounds bad to me. Really bad. Historically bad. And this doesn't even account for the loss of draft value from his trades that resulted in 1 extra 3rd and 2 fewer 2nds (slightly offset by 2 extra 6ths and 2 fewer 7ths).

LWFS Sep 06 2019 05:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

What's the word on the kicker? Know nothing about him. Has punted as well as place kicked. Strong leg. VERY strong leg. Not too accurate (sigh). Later Also, he's Norwegian, and hasn't been in MetLife for actual, y'know, kicking.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2019 01:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. How is FOX allowed to televise an NFL game in the NY market at the same time that there's a Jets home game broadcast on CBS? Not that I'm complaining. More games, more choices is better.

kcmets Sep 08 2019 03:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Well, that was a pretty uninspiring game one! #smh #soj #ymdyf

MFS62 Sep 08 2019 03:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=20983 time=1567645924 user_id=60] =HahnSolo post_id=20834 time=1567607387 user_id=63] What's the word on the kicker? Know nothing about him.

...

Strong leg.

VERY strong leg.

Not too accurate (sigh).

Later

Sometimes, it really hurts to be right.

Later

nymr83 Sep 08 2019 06:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

defense forces 4 turnovers at home, gets a TD and a Safety, and we lose. WHAT THE FUCK

kcmets Sep 08 2019 07:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=21308 time=1567979299 user_id=60]Sometimes, it really hurts to be right.

Bask in your sunshine if you must, but jeez it's not like you

broke a story or something lol...

Lefty Specialist Sep 09 2019 07:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Only the Bills' first-half incompetence kept this one close. They should have won by 15. They were able to throw on the Jets D all day.

Vic Sage Sep 09 2019 07:50 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

i don't know what game you were watching, but the Jets D was pitching a shutout and was dominating Buffalo right up to the second that Moseley went out with an injury. Once he was off the field, the Bills did what they wanted. If it weren't for the incompetent Jets OFFENSE, which was given field position and 8 points by the D, the Jets would have been up 28-0 in the 1st half. This game was about the continuing perpetual ineptitude the Jets O line and Moseley's injury.

nymr83 Sep 09 2019 10:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: i don't know what game you were watching, but the Jets D was pitching a shutout and was dominating Buffalo right up to the second that Moseley went out with an injury. Once he was off the field, the Bills did what they wanted. If it weren't for the incompetent Jets OFFENSE, which was given field position and 8 points by the D, the Jets would have been up 28-0 in the 1st half. This game was about the continuing perpetual ineptitude the Jets O line and Moseley's injury. Daily News summed this game up perfectly... https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/VMxBAjAzsq91YGqp5YVWR_H3n2Q=/fit-in/800x600/top/filters:fill(black)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/DIDC56JB7NCY7CEOYZXU4TX3YU.jpg>

MFS62 Sep 10 2019 07:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets fans united website is down. Looks like the post-game comments overloaded their server. Later

MFS62 Sep 10 2019 07:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

They traded a future 6 th round draft pick to the PATRIOTS for WR Demaryius Thomas. Knowing how Belichek operates, Thomas probably has Dysentery, and he'll infect the entire Jets team. Later

nymr83 Sep 12 2019 08:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Sam Darnold has MONO and will miss multiple games. gotta stay awat from those Jersey Shore chicks SAM! only the Jets.

MFS62 Sep 12 2019 09:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Sam Darnold has MONO and will miss multiple games. gotta stay awat from those Jersey Shore chicks SAM! only the Jets. They're calling it "glandular fever". https://sports.yahoo.com/darnold-could-miss-apos-multiple-152405626.html You can't make this shit up. Later

LWFS Sep 12 2019 10:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lord, that is a terrible offensive line, isn't it?

ashie62 Sep 12 2019 03:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=21684 time=1568299607 user_id=54] Sam Darnold has MONO and will miss multiple games. gotta stay awat from those Jersey Shore chicks SAM! only the Jets.

Its the Coney Island Hotties



LeVeon Bell, is anybody surprised?



Sam Darnold? He's a Jet

Frayed Knot Sep 15 2019 06:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So it looking like the Bills could be New Jersey's winningest team this season.

Lefty Specialist Sep 17 2019 06:01 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Dez Bryant ✔ @DezBryant This is a great time for the Jets to call Kaep 10.6K 10:19 PM - Sep 16, 2019

nymr83 Sep 17 2019 07:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Call Mark Sanchez up!

Vic Sage Sep 17 2019 10:01 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

to paraphrase a quote from Cat Ballou, I never seen a team get through a season so fast.

TransMonk Sep 17 2019 11:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lefty Specialist wrote: Dez Bryant ✔ @DezBryant This is a great time for the Jets to call Kaep 10.6K 10:19 PM - Sep 16, 2019 Or the Steelers. Or the Saints. Or the Jaguars. Eventually the Eagles.

Lefty Specialist Sep 17 2019 11:07 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Given that the owner of the Jets is now Trump's ambassador to the United Kingdom, I think it's highly unlikely the Jets sign him. But if nobody does, it's more evidence of the blackball.

kcmets Sep 17 2019 11:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets don't play a crappy team until first week of November going forward. They'll limp into Miami probably at 0-7 if I added right. Sweet!!

nymr83 Sep 17 2019 01:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Transmonk wrote: Or the Steelers. Or the Saints. Or the Jaguars. Eventually the Eagles. I would much rather have Teddy Bridgewater (Saints) right now. I'd have taken him over Kaepernick if you gave me the choice in the offseason, but given that Brees is out ~6 weeks and Bridgewater knows their system its a no-brainer. Same thing with the Jets really - Darnold could be back as soon as week 5 or 6 - there is no sense in signing a street free agent who realistically wouldn't learn the playbook etc until after the Week 4 bye. The Steelers have a much stronger argument as its a full season without Big Ben, but they drafted Rudolph to be their future with a high pick and they are going to want to see what he does particularly being cost controlled on a rookie deal. I'm not sure what the Jaguars backup situation is but i see the team fit better as there isnt that clear guy and even the start sucks (in my opinion he is the biggest 'right place right time' backup QB ever)

Lefty Specialist Sep 17 2019 02:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Well, no one would sign Kaepernick to be the starter, at least not right away. But he'd certainly be able to back up as well as anyone these teams are going to pick up from the waiver wire.

nymr83 Sep 17 2019 03:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, no one would sign Kaepernick to be the starter, at least not right away. But he'd certainly be able to back up as well as anyone these teams are going to pick up from the waiver wire. Is he willing to be a backup? Is he willing to take league minimum/backup money? I think in the past he has said NO specifically on the money part though i may be confusing him with Ed Reed.

Vic Sage Sep 19 2019 10:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

David Fales, QB. His name is an inauspicious verb.

nymr83 Sep 19 2019 10:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: David Fales, QB. His name is an inauspicious verb. that is an absolutely perfect name for a Jet

Frayed Knot Sep 19 2019 02:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The headlines will just write themselves. Meanwhile, I can't understand why the Jets are such a big underdog this weekend. The two opposing QBs -- Falk & Brady -- were both the 199th pick in the draft so shouldn't this pretty much be a 'Pick 'em'?

MFS62 Sep 22 2019 02:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Hey! They covered the spread. That's something positive, isn't it? (F**K! That was embarrassing.) Later

kcmets Sep 22 2019 06:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets have had more seasons of suck than anyone who cares can list. They might not win a game this year.

Willets Point Sep 22 2019 06:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

S-U-C-K, Suck Suck Suck! I was reminiscing today about attending the game in 1980 when the 0-14 Saints beat the Jets at Shea. This team has a long history of suck.

nymr83 Sep 22 2019 08:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=22578 time=1569196877 user_id=53] Jets have had more seasons of suck than anyone who cares can list. They might not win a game this year.

Darnold will be back. Mosley will be back. They play Miami twice. They'll win a game, maybe even two!

Vic Sage Sep 25 2019 09:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

oh you optimist.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2019 11:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=21290 time=1567970106 user_id=68] I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. How is FOX allowed to televise an NFL game in the NY market at the same time that there's a Jets home game broadcast on CBS? Not that I'm complaining. More games, more choices is better.

Like I said a few weeks ago, I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. There musta' been some major recent changes. Today, CBS, the AFC network, is televising the Vikings@Bears game. Go figure.

nymr83 Sep 29 2019 02:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=23269 time=1569776977 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=21290 time=1567970106 user_id=68] I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. How is FOX allowed to televise an NFL game in the NY market at the same time that there's a Jets home game broadcast on CBS? Not that I'm complaining. More games, more choices is better.

Like I said a few weeks ago, I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. There musta' been some major recent changes. Today, CBS, the AFC network, is televising the Vikings@Bears game. Go figure.


I'm just glad we get thia game not some junk game

batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2019 09:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=23283 time=1569788944 user_id=54] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=23269 time=1569776977 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=21290 time=1567970106 user_id=68] I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. How is FOX allowed to televise an NFL game in the NY market at the same time that there's a Jets home game broadcast on CBS? Not that I'm complaining. More games, more choices is better.

Like I said a few weeks ago, I no longer understand the NFL's TV rules. There musta' been some major recent changes. Today, CBS, the AFC network, is televising the Vikings@Bears game. Go figure.


I'm just glad we get thia game not some junk game


It's those newfangled NFL TV rules again as the Jets and Giants games are both on at 1:00PM on opposite networks at (naturally) the same time. It'd be even nicer if we had two 4 o'clock games also, but that's asking for too much. Why? I don't know. But I can predict, with deadly accuracy, what the NFL's response would be.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2019 12:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I'm pretty sure that those "old" guidelines you remember concerning conflicts and networks and the like started to go out the window right around the time that 'Flex' scheduling became a thing. The NFL's claim to fame, and of course the source of most of their income, is that they get not just good TV ratings but Monster TV ratings. The downside to that is that you become a slave to those ratings and begin to need/crave them like a drug. So if moving games between networks or scheduling against a home game -- provisions originally put in to protect home team attendance back when 'The Shield' actually cared about quaint things like home fans -- can potentially increase the rating by a point or two then they're going to take that option rather than answering questions about declining ratings such as they had to do two seasons ago. Not scheduling two 4 o'clock games remains so as to create something close to a 'national' game for each of the networks on alternating weeks.

MFS62 Oct 06 2019 12:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Networks don't matter when you're watching the Jets. My gag reflex made me switch the station about ten seconds after the kickoff. Later

whippoorwill Oct 06 2019 04:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

My new lucky Steelers socks did not work

MFS62 Oct 06 2019 04:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=whippoorwill post_id=23884 time=1570399663 user_id=79] My new lucky Steelers socks did not work

Know how you feel.

MMYF bought me a Jets jersey before the season.

I think I'll have to burn it.

Later

whippoorwill Oct 06 2019 04:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

That's desperate!

LWFS Oct 06 2019 09:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Who would have thought that, as we were watching the Jets blow a fourth-quarter lead to the Bills on opening weekend, we were watching the Jets' high-water mark?

Lefty Specialist Oct 07 2019 07:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

0-16 would be within reach if it weren't for those pesky Dolphins.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2019 02:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Not just the two Jets/Miami games, but both teams also face the Redskins this year. Without those contests on the slate, all three teams could conceivably take a 'Size 16' collar this year. But unless all those games wind up in scoreless ties (which, frankly, might border on likely) you've got a minimum of four wins spread around somehow. Now the only question is: do the teams involved actually want any of those four wins?

RealityChuck Oct 07 2019 04:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Let's lose to the Dolphins and foil their well-laid plans.

nymr83 Oct 08 2019 06:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: Not just the two Jets/Miami games, but both teams also face the Redskins this year. Without those contests on the slate, all three teams could conceivably take a 'Size 16' collar this year. But unless all those games wind up in scoreless ties (which, frankly, might border on likely) you've got a minimum of four wins spread around somehow. Now the only question is: do the teams involved actually want any of those four wins? with Darnold already on the roster and some big name QBs in the draaft the #1 pick could be a trade bounty for the Jets. But Miami seems so locked in on it that they'd probably cut players midgame if they led at halftime.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 13 2019 03:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets kicking Dall-ass

batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2019 04:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Jets kicking Dall-ass I'm loving this. I hate the Cowboys more than youse hate the Yankees. In fact, I've never hated a team more than I hate the Cowboys. And I hate the Yankees. Youse had a thread last year about teams youse hate, and I don't think the Cowboys came up at all. But now that I've posted this post, expect a frenetic Cowboy comeback. I mean, it's the Jets.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2019 04:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Currently up by 12 -- No way that the last seconds/1st half FG is going to come back to haunt them.

41Forever Oct 13 2019 05:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Um, this is getting a little scary.

MFS62 Oct 13 2019 05:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Hey, Jerry Jones: https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-s&p=yippie+kai+yay+videos#id=2&vid=d24a6694ddb875a8e8c88cc636287073&action=click Later

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2019 05:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: Currently up by 12 -- No way that the last seconds/1st half FG is going to come back to haunt them. Almost did, but not quite.

Fman99 Oct 13 2019 07:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Ended up being a good game. A shame that they had to suck so bad without Darnold in there.

Lefty Specialist Oct 14 2019 08:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I was absolutely convinced that they were going to give up the touchdown and the tying 2-point conversion, then lose in overtime, because that's so Jet-y. They surprised me that they didn't. Then they came thisclose to losing the onside kick, which would also have been in character. Somehow they survived, and it's always fun when Dallas loses.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 14 2019 08:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

That whole last Dallas drive was a joke though. Flag, flag, flag, flag. This was the 1st NFL game I actually watched this year and Jets looked every bit Dallas' superior.

LWFS Oct 14 2019 10:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Don't get me wrong-- this team, as constructed, is still pretty shitty. But that was nice.

MFS62 Oct 15 2019 06:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The forum Jetsfansunited had software problems and went down just before the win over the Cowboys and just went back into operation. A lot of frustrated, but happy (in the game result) posters. Later

Vic Sage Oct 15 2019 10:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

it really does help to have a QB.

MFS62 Oct 22 2019 05:41 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Well, THAT was humiliating. Later

Lefty Specialist Oct 22 2019 07:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Shut this one off early. Did Edwin Diaz pitch in the fourth quarter?

Vic Sage Oct 22 2019 07:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

that was the worst game Darnold has had in his career to date. Not that he got any help, but still. SOJ

kcmets Oct 22 2019 08:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I know he's making a boatload of money but I'd love to know what Bell really thinks about playing for Gang Green so far.

Vic Sage Oct 22 2019 08:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

he's not playing for Gang Green, just the green.

LWFS Oct 22 2019 11:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: that was the worst game Darnold has had in his career to date. Not that he got any help, but still. SOJ All those damn back foot throws. In the red zone. Say what you will for Bell... he's doing HIS job. Darnold almost got him concussed 2-3 times.

RealityChuck Oct 23 2019 08:15 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Darnold's passer rating (3.7) was lower than his interception total (4). Note that if you don't complete a pass all day, your rating is 39.6.

kcmets Oct 23 2019 12:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It was the ghosts! I'll never get the mic'd up players, not a fan of in-game dugout interviews either. A mic on second base so my surround sound makes a cool swish? Silly, at best.

MFS62 Oct 27 2019 02:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I fear we are going to see a similar career to THIS guy, who spent HIS entire career running for his life: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannAr00.htm Later

nymr83 Oct 27 2019 06:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I fear we are going to see a similar career to THIS guy, who spent HIS entire career running for his life: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannAr00.htm Later David Carr was the guy I thought you'd link to

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2019 07:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I fear we are going to see a similar career to THIS guy, who spent HIS entire career running for his life: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannAr00.htm Later If that's the biggest comp then sign his kids up NOW! and in 30 years you'll have a decent shot at a good team. And, let's face it, if you leave it up to random chance then you're likely to wait nearly that long anyway, so at least this would resemble something approaching an actual plan.

LWFS Oct 27 2019 07:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Hey, keep playing like this, and we'll have another top-3 pick! #suckfornobodyinparticular

Vic Sage Oct 29 2019 09:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

we're still paying for superbowl III

nymr83 Nov 03 2019 06:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Fire Adam Gase and his OC. Do It Now.

kcmets Nov 03 2019 06:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So, if the almost-worst team in football loses to the worst team in football does that tie them as being worst or are they now the worst?

Double Switch Nov 03 2019 07:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers.

MFS62 Nov 04 2019 04:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You should have listened to your inner "I" in your INTJ. :) (I've been waiting a long time to use that) Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 04 2019 06:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Vic Sage wrote: we're still paying for superbowl III Sure looks like it, huh?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2019 07:06 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You a 'Niner fan?

Double Switch Nov 04 2019 09:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You a 'Niner fan? Or 'Niners. Yep, have to say in honor of full disclosure. But I won't get my skivvies in a twist if anyone objects.

Double Switch Nov 04 2019 09:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You should have listened to your inner "I" in your INTJ. :) (I've been waiting a long time to use that) Later More I should have listened to my inner TJ.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 04 2019 09:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You a 'Niner fan? Or 'Niners. Yep, have to say in honor of full disclosure. But I won't get my skivvies in a twist if anyone objects. Me too. My whole life. Never rooted for any other football team. Back to tbe days of Dick Nolan and John Brodie and Gene Washington and Ken Willard.

Double Switch Nov 04 2019 10:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You a 'Niner fan? Or 'Niners. Yep, have to say in honor of full disclosure. But I won't get my skivvies in a twist if anyone objects. Me too. My whole life. Never rooted for any other football team. Back to tbe days of Dick Nolan and John Brodie and Gene Washington and Ken Willard. Cool! Me, not that long so I can't claim longevity but for this century at least.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 05 2019 07:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Double Switch wrote: Double Switch wrote: Double Switch wrote: Here is where I hang myself out to dry - I root for the '9ers. You a 'Niner fan? Or 'Niners. Yep, have to say in honor of full disclosure. But I won't get my skivvies in a twist if anyone objects. Me too. My whole life. Never rooted for any other football team. Back to tbe days of Dick Nolan and John Brodie and Gene Washington and Ken Willard. Cool! Me, not that long so I can't claim longevity but for this century at least. Great. We could start a club of Mets/49ers fans. So far, I've got me, you and Paul Lukas of Uni Watch.

Double Switch Nov 05 2019 10:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Why not. It works for me. Looking forward to next MNF.

kcmets Nov 17 2019 04:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Did I hear that right, first time in 20 games the Jets have won 2 in a row?

Frayed Knot Nov 17 2019 05:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=26707 time=1574033404 user_id=53] Did I hear that right, first time in 20 games the Jets have won 2 in a row?

I thought I heard it as first time in 20 seasons winning more than 2 games ... but I may be mistaken.

MFS62 Nov 24 2019 02:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Take THAT Heidi! Later

nymr83 Nov 24 2019 05:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Now you start to wonder. Is Adam Gase as bad as we all thought? What does this year look like without Darnold catching Mono? What is Mosely doesn't go down? Darnold makes a below average offensive line look ... possibly adequate. The defensive line makes running the ball seem like a waste of time and Jamal Adams is a beast. Ok, the corners still arent great. But Bless Austin and Arthur Mallet look like they at least belong on a roster, unlike Trumaine "the most overpaid player since Jason Bay" Johnson.

MFS62 Nov 29 2019 06:19 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Nothing makes an already Happy Thanksgiving Day happier more than watching Jerry Jones leave the owner's box with a frown on his face. Later

kcmets Dec 01 2019 12:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Someone call the Jets and ask them to please report to Paul Brown Stadium for a second of football against a winless team.

Lefty Specialist Dec 01 2019 01:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Um, we're entering loljets territory after that safety.

MFS62 Dec 01 2019 01:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=27331 time=1575227731 user_id=53] Someone call the Jets and ask them to please report to Paul Brown Stadium for a second of football against a winless team.

One measure of a coach is how well he makes half time and in-game adjustments when things aren't going right.

Gase has yet to make one (whether it worked or not) this entire year.

Later

kcmets Dec 01 2019 02:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=25895 time=1572831724 user_id=53] So, if the almost-worst team in football loses to the worst team in football does that tie them as being worst or are they now the worst?

New level of absolute suckitude achieved.



Yay.

seawolf17 Dec 02 2019 01:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Last NY Giants win: 9/29, 4pm Last NY Mets win: 9/29, 6:44pm Yes, the Mets have won a game more recently than the Giants have.

MFS62 Dec 02 2019 03:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=seawolf17 post_id=27383 time=1575319928 user_id=91] Last NY Giants win: 9/29, 4pm Last NY Mets win: 9/29, 6:44pm Yes, the Mets have won a game more recently than the Giants have.

That just created a warm glow in my heart that almost melted the sleet on my driveway.

Later

MFS62 Dec 08 2019 02:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Had 'em all the way. (My heart can't take this shit) Later

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2019 05:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Phrases you never thought you'd hear about the NFL: Man the Patriots got royally screwed by the refs!! ... several times

nymr83 Dec 22 2019 07:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets are 6-9. The Jets are 6-6 in games started by Sam Darnold. Buffalo is locked in the 5 seed and has very little incentive to play Josh Allen past the 1st quarter against Greg "cut off the head" Williams' defense next week. Jets win? What if Mosley and Williamson don't miss the year? What if Darnold doesn't get a disease most commonly associated with college kids sleeping around? What if Macagnan gets fired BEFORE he has the opportunity to spend all the money on the wrong positions and a 3rd round pick on a guy who couldn't make it through training camp? maybe Gase isn't as a big a joke as i've made him out to be? Maybe this seeming dumpster fire can be turned around next year?

Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2019 05:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets are 6-9. The Jets are 6-6 in games started by Sam Darnold. Buffalo is locked in the 5 seed and has very little incentive to play Josh Allen past the 1st quarter against Greg "cut off the head" Williams' defense next week. Jets win? What if Mosley and Williamson don't miss the year? What if Darnold doesn't get a disease most commonly associated with college kids sleeping around? What if Macagnan gets fired BEFORE he has the opportunity to spend all the money on the wrong positions and a 3rd round pick on a guy who couldn't make it through training camp? maybe Gase isn't as a big a joke as i've made him out to be? Maybe this seeming dumpster fire can be turned around next year? Maybe we've seen this movie before and they're 4-12 next year. I'd say that's just as likely.

Lefty Specialist Dec 29 2019 05:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets finish 7-9 but the Bills weren't trying very hard today. Wonder what they would have looked like with a non-mono Darnold and a field goal kicker who could actually, you know, kick a field goal once in a while. Not sold on Gase by a long shot.

kcmets Dec 29 2019 05:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It's loser talk; but going 1-7, then winning 6 of 8 is pretty decent. I've watched less and less NFL the last 2 seasons but would gladly resume if Gang Green can build on this.

Fman99 Dec 29 2019 07:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I watched virtually no football this year. Between the Jets' rotten start and my fantasy teams all tanking, I couldn't find much to generate my interest in it.

nymr83 Dec 29 2019 10:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=Fman99 post_id=29052 time=1577672229 user_id=86] I watched virtually no football this year. Between the Jets' rotten start and my fantasy teams all tanking, I couldn't find much to generate my interest in it.

Draftkings and redzone are made for each other

MFS62 Jan 01 2020 06:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The worst day in Jets history. Will we ever know the full story? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28388772/inside-bill-belichick-resignation-jets-coach-20-years-ago Later

kcmets Mar 06 2020 10:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Stupid is as stupid does, I guess... [TWEET]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1235890364977942528[/TWEET]

MFS62 Mar 07 2020 05:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

He has a permit for another state (Alabama?) but should have known it is not allowed in New York, much less to be carried on an airplane. Stupid doesn't cover it all. Later

Lefty Specialist Apr 04 2020 01:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

As you know, Robert Kraft sent the Patriots team plane to China to pick up much-needed surgical masks and other medical supplies. The Jets also sent over a plane, but it was intercepted and run back for a touchdown. (h/t to a friend of Mrs Lefty for that one.)

MFS62 Apr 04 2020 03:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lefty Specialist wrote: As you know, Robert Kraft sent the Patriots team plane to China to pick up much-needed surgical masks and other medical supplies. The Jets also sent over a plane, but it was intercepted and run back for a touchdown. (h/t to a friend of Mrs Lefty for that one.) That was cold ..... but believable. Since there is no football now, Sam Darnold got a job advertising for the NJ Lottery, advertising ..... (wait for it) ... the Pick Six. I'll be here all week. Try the veal. Tip your server. Drive home safely. Later

Vic Sage Apr 24 2020 11:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 24 2020 03:17 PM

MOUNT BECTON erupts in the meadow lands! Flee! Good Job, Joe. Day 2, give me Pittman, Hall, and Usche

kcmets Apr 24 2020 11:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

From the footage I've seen the last couple of days, Becton is a beast. And despite his enormity, can run like the wind. Seems they did well at #11.

Lefty Specialist Apr 24 2020 11:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

6'7", 364 lbs. That is one very large mammal.

kcmets Apr 24 2020 12:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I think enormousness was the word I should have used, but yeah!!

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2020 12:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Never heard of the guy prior to last night but I'm pretty sure he's big enough to be assigned his own ZIP code.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2020 01:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: Never heard of the guy prior to last night but I'm pretty sure he's big enough to be assigned his own ZIP code. He made news a few days before the draft when it was disclosed that he'd failed his combine drug test.

kcmets Apr 24 2020 02:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

They'll teach him how to pass drug tests!

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2020 03:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: Never heard of the guy prior to last night but I'm pretty sure he's big enough to be assigned his own ZIP code. He made news a few days before the draft when it was disclosed that he'd failed his combine drug test. Oh I'm not saying he was unknown, merely that I never hear of him because a) I don't follow college football and b) if there's one thing in sports I go out of my way to avoid it's the 2,784 hours of pre-draft analysis

MFS62 Apr 24 2020 07:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets trade down in the second round and pick Denzel Mims, wide receiver from Baylor and get another pick in the third round (they now have 3) Mims is 6 3, has 4.3 speed and goes up after the ball. He was the guy many fans wanted (and draftniks projected) after the Jets drafted a tackle in the first round. And they got him. Later

nymr83 Apr 24 2020 07:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=35894 time=1587778555 user_id=60] Jets trade down in the second round and pick Denzel Mims, wide receiver from Baylor and get another pick in the third round (they now have 3) Mims is 6 3, has 4.3 speed and goes up after the ball. He was the guy many fans wanted (and draftniks projected) after the Jets drafted a tackle in the first round. And they got him. Later

its looking good so far! But Becton could turn out to use the weed more often and Mims could be Stephen Hill. As a Jets fan, you just think that way.



My favorite Becton footage wasnt even all the defenders he smashed in college, it was the high school basketball tape. How the hell does a man that large dunk so effortlessly?

MFS62 Apr 24 2020 07:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

First pick in the third round, Ashtyn Davis, a safety from Cal. Speedy player who( ran track and ) can play special teams/ return kicks. And is insurance in case they can't sign or have to trade Jamal Adams. Later

Fman99 Apr 24 2020 08:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I like the WR pick. Lord knows they need playmakers at that position.

nymr83 Apr 24 2020 10:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Can't believe we traded with Belicheat!

MFS62 Apr 25 2020 06:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=35904 time=1587789802 user_id=54] Can't believe we traded with Belicheat!

They picked up the Pats' pick in the third round and two more in the fourth. and a 6th round pick in next year's draft.

With that pick they drafted Jabari Zuniga, a 6'3" 264 pound defensive end from Florida.



Later

LWFS Apr 25 2020 08:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So... this Douglas fella seems to know what he's doing

kcmets Apr 25 2020 08:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Don't really get the 120th something pick wasted on a QB who may never make a difference ever on an NFL team but other than that seems like one of the most solid Jets draft years in quite some time? But it's the Jets, so...

MFS62 Apr 26 2020 11:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Grading their draft, and a write-up of each pick: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jets-2020-nfl-draft-report-234407250.html Later

nymr83 Apr 26 2020 01:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Pro Football Focus didn't love Becton but they this to say about 5th rounder Bryce Hall One of the best picks made on Day 3 came from the New York Jets when they got Bryce Hall 158th overall. If Hall had declared last year, there is a strong chance he would have gone in the first round. However, he unfortunately suffered a season-ending injury in Week 7 while in punt coverage that lowered his draft stock significantly. Injury aside, Hall has some of the best ball skills we have ever seen here at PFF. At 6-foot-1 with over 32-inch arms, Hall posted the best forced incompletion percentage in all of college football (28.2%) in 2017 and 2018. In that span, his coverage grade was the fifth best in the country. He has the potential to make an impact from day one. I like the draft philosophy in the lower rounds of taking a guy who had the talent for 1st/2nd round if healthy. beats taking the stiffs who are backups at best even healthy. So what if they get hurt? most 5th rounders dont stay long anyway.

LWFS Apr 26 2020 03:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The quarterback pick rankles-- he seems like he would have been there a LOT later, and guys like Amik Robertson (underrated Louisiana Tech CB... and-- underrated-- team captain) were out there at Jet need areas-- but overall, I really can't argue with what Douglas was doing overall. The line depth in particular looks SIGNIFICANTLY improved; besides Man Mountain Mekhi, that Charlotte kid seems like he could be a potential contributor this year, too. The UDFA talent he secured-- mostly on the defensive side-- seems intriguing. A lot of defensive backs. Edge rusher/speedy LB Bryce Huff. The Georgia WR Cager also looks interesting.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 26 2020 03:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I like the draft philosophy in the lower rounds of taking a guy who had the talent for 1st/2nd round if healthy. beats taking the stiffs who are backups at best even healthy. So what if they get hurt? most 5th rounders dont stay long anyway. That's why the Jets suck. Perennially. The best teams kill it in that round. George Kittle [FIMG=333]https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/10/24/64/18959674/5/rawImage.jpg[/FIMG] Dre Greenlaw [FIMG=333]https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/sites/csnbayarea/files/2020/03/12/greenlawap.jpg[/FIMG] Richard Sherman (drafted by Seahawks) [FIMG=333]https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/sporting_news/c1/b3/richard-sherman-070819-getty-ftrjpg_gcpyiudlm7kv1pnsp37r41xxa.jpg?t=-710901381&quality=100&w=1280&h=720[/FIMG]

nymr83 Apr 26 2020 07:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

wow 3 examples!

batmagadanleadoff Apr 26 2020 08:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=36023 time=1587952720 user_id=54]wow 3 examples!

Those are all starters. And damn good starters. Who have the Jets drafted in the 5th round lately?



But you're right. The Jets don't suck.

nymr83 Apr 27 2020 01:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets do suck. but that isn't Douglas' fault, this is his first draft. likewise my approval his draft strategy has nothing to do with the Jets' past 5th rounders, because he didn't make any of them.

LWFS Apr 27 2020 05:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

They've also been pretty bad at getting sufficient value for first-rounders, second-rounders, third-rounders...

kcmets Apr 27 2020 06:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Worst draft history in the last 25-30 years.

nymr83 May 07 2020 10:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

NFL Schedule comes out tonight but the leaks are already underway, the Jets will play their usual Week 1 opponent, Buffalo. I was hoping to start the season in New England and try to steal one from the Stidwell-led Patriots before he could get any real experience under his belt.

dgwphotography May 08 2020 05:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It's more than a little weird that the Jets have back to back home and home games with the Dolphins separated only by a bye week.

MFS62 May 08 2020 05:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=dgwphotography post_id=36603 time=1588980304 user_id=78] It's more than a little weird that the Jets have back to back home and home games with the Dolphins separated only by a bye week.

That's an example of KTE if there ever was one.

Later

nymr83 May 22 2020 02:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets are supposed to be signing Joe Flacco. He isn't very good at this point, but if something happens to Darnold again he is still a huge step up from David Fails or Luke F*ck getting into a game

MFS62 May 22 2020 05:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=nymr83 post_id=37212 time=1590180457 user_id=54] Jets are supposed to be signing Joe Flacco. He isn't very good at this point, but if something happens to Darnold again he is still a huge step up from David Fails or Luke F*ck getting into a game

Having a one-time (but fairly recent) Super Bowl MVP quarterback as your backup is a nice feeling.

Later

MFS62 Jun 07 2020 04:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Super Bowl III will be re-broadcast tonight at 8:00 PM Eastern time on NBCSN. Check your local listings. Later

kcmets Jun 08 2020 06:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Thanks for pointing this out, I think I've only seen it once and DVR'd it. I just looked and was disappointed that I recorded motocross (if that's what it's still called) but the game does start around the 19:00 mark. Hope I recorded to the end. I wasn't a Jets fan as a kid even though they practiced (or held training camp) in my home town. I'll post a cool picture later when I get on a real computer.

MFS62 Jun 08 2020 07:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=38329 time=1591620367 user_id=53] I just looked and was disappointed that I recorded motocross (if that's what it's still called) but the game does start around the 19:00 mark.

They got Heidi-ed again.

Later

kcmets Jun 08 2020 08:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lol, I thought you were joking but sure enough the DVR stopped with a Snell first down with around two minutes left. Hope they won.

nymr83 Jul 26 2020 07:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets deal malcontent safety Adams to the Seahawks for two first rounders (and swapped a 4th for a 3rd and got McDougald back too) Great move by Joe Douglas. He got two firsts for a guy who criticizes the owner, the coach, and the GM to the media because he hasnt gotten paid. A guy who plays a non-premium position and wants to get paid like he does. Mike Maccagnan would have gotten a second rounder back.

kcmets Jul 26 2020 08:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

That's some pretty slick wheelin' and dealin' plus they sent him as far away as possible.

MFS62 Jul 26 2020 10:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=41724 time=1595772042 user_id=53] That's some pretty slick wheelin' and dealin' plus they sent him as far away as possible.

One down. Now, what can we get for Gase?



Later

nymr83 Jul 26 2020 02:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=41735 time=1595781049 user_id=60] =kcmets post_id=41724 time=1595772042 user_id=53] That's some pretty slick wheelin' and dealin' plus they sent him as far away as possible.

One down. Now, what can we get for Gase?



Later


Reports indicate that Douglas offered Gase and 1st round pick to an unnamed NFC team for a bag of balls, but was rebuffed.

MFS62 Aug 01 2020 01:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Linebacker CJ Mosley has opted out of the season. Later

LWFS Aug 01 2020 03:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

... which, y'know, makes complete sense. Playing the season? That's... the other thing. (Never mind playing COLLEGE football, where players will be expected to attend class between several hours of hugging each other violently.)

nymr83 Aug 02 2020 11:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=42446 time=1596310174 user_id=60] Linebacker CJ Mosley has opted out of the season. Later

big loss.



not cutting Williamson makes a lot more sense now, maybe the Jets had a heads up he was considering it?



I wonder if Darnold is more susceptible having had Mono recently? I wonder if he told the guys what Mono felt like and they are ALL considering opting out?

nymr83 Aug 02 2020 06:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets cut Brian Winters, saving 7 mil on the cap. could be huge if they can carry that savings over to next year if next year's cap plummets from fallong revenue they could be among fewer than usual teams with room

kcmets Sep 13 2020 12:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Guess they're gonna suck again. Rinse and repeat...

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2020 12:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I thought the mantra was 'Suck For Sam' not 'Suck With Sam' I just goes to show you: Yaneverknow

MFS62 Sep 13 2020 04:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Between Darnold's still doing dumb things and Gase's lack of coaching acumen (who calls screen passes during a two minute drill?), they are stuck being the same old Jets. Later

nymr83 Sep 13 2020 06:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Gase is a really bad coach. Douglas wasn't going to fix the roster in one offseason either. Darnold had nobody open. Bell is a highly overrated football player who got to dance into holes behind a great line in Pittsburgh. He is showing again with the Jets this year that he is just another guy. Frank Gore looked better in his 16th season as he just pushes forward.

Fman99 Sep 13 2020 06:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Suh-uh-uh-uh-UUUUCCCCKKKKKKKK

Edgy MD Sep 13 2020 09:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Exchange I saw today on social media: "And the earth is littered with mangled cripples, who don't know what has hit them or why, who crawl as best they can on their crushed limbs through their lightless days, with no answer save that pain is the core of existence---and the traffic cops of morality chortle and tell them that man, by his nature, is unable to walk." — Ayn Rand Yes, I agree. The Jets stink.

MFS62 Sep 14 2020 06:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

That truth hurts. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 14 2020 06:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Good to see the Jets defense was employing their COVID protocol- trying not to get within 6 feet of a Bills offensive player. So much for football being able to distract me from bad baseball.

MFS62 Sep 14 2020 11:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Lefty Specialist wrote: Good to see the Jets defense was employing their COVID protocol- trying not to get within 6 feet of a Bills offensive player. A very steal-able line. LOL! Here are some specific depressing thoughts from a writer at Jets Wire: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/instant-analysis-begins-same-old-202836213.html Later

MFS62 Sep 27 2020 04:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Next year, Sam Darnold will be doing TV ads for the New Jersey Lottery. He'll advertise the Pick 6. Later

nymr83 Sep 29 2020 06:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Fire Gase yesterday.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2020 11:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 12 2020 11:11 AM

This season, the NFC West plays the AFC East. So for three games, I root for the Jets. What torture.

nymr83 Oct 12 2020 06:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

More torture at the hands of Adam Gase yesterday. I loved running the ball right back into the line on 2nd and 26. Really imaginative.

MFS62 Oct 12 2020 06:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

More torture at the hands of Adam Gase yesterday. I loved running the ball right back into the line on 2nd and 26. Really imaginative. Don't forget the "brilliant offensive mind" calling two runs into the middle of the line on 3rd, then 4th, and one. Later

Lefty Specialist Oct 12 2020 07:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

And the Jets' problems can't be solved by finding a rich owner, because they already have a rich owner. Only question now is if they can run the table and go 0-16.

MFS62 Oct 12 2020 07:49 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

With their luck, the guys across the hall will also go 0-16, and the Jets will lose the #1 draft pick through some obscure rule. Later

kcmets Oct 12 2020 09:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I mean, does anyone really have any faith that they wouldn't 'butt fumble' a #1 pick at this point? Until the devil collects on Mr. Namath's soul, there will be no ticker tape parade(s) for youse!

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2020 08:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So I don't want to start any rumors that the Jets are having a bad season or anything, but their plus/minus currently sits at -110 while the next worst team (Jacksonville) is at -56

LWFS Oct 23 2020 09:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Resolved: this is the worst, most stultifying Jets team to watch, ever. Sub-late-'70s, sub-Kotite, sub-Buttfumble. Like, there's nothing in any phase of the game to watch or root for, really. Even our last few first-rounders-- both linemen, no less, so... you REALLY have to be a fan of the game to enjoy-- are hurt at this point. This is enough-to-make-top-draft-picks-go-Elway bad, isn't it?

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2020 10:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It's one thing to get outscored by all the other teams in the NFL, but it's quite another to get outscored by the teams in the EPL

MFS62 Oct 23 2020 10:44 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: It's one thing to get outscored by all the other teams in the NFL, but it's quite another to get outscored by the teams in the EPL Sad, but true. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2020 06:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So did I hear this right? The J-E-T-S gained FOUR yards in the 2nd half on Sunday? Four? As in 12 feet? As in if a bunt travels that far you say he didn't hit it hard enough? As in I've made putts longer than that? As in the long jump record is more than double that length?

ashie62 Oct 26 2020 07:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Worse than the 1996 Jets. Keeping Gase to keep the tank going. Jets will pick a kicker first, because you know they're good for eight points.

MFS62 Oct 26 2020 07:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

To lose 16 games in a year: -It takes a very un-focused coach to do this week in and week out. Rich Kotite tried but he just could not pull it off. -It takes a real Barney fife type of coach to botch an entire year. You need to work around the clock to develop a game plan that is just right. -You a General manager who is distracted with king size roast beef sandwiches while he could be on the phone getting that one player who could lead his team to a win. -You need an owner who is so clueless that he does not fire the coach halfway during the season. -You need the players who don't want to go that extra mile and share their dissatisfaction with the press. I bet most fans don't realize how difficult this is to accomplish. But if you're a fan of the Jets, you know that goal is well within reach. Later

ashie62 Oct 27 2020 08:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I sat through every game of the Kotite year, even the noreaster against the Eagles. It was fitting that the team was introduced to the "Jerky Boys" theme Keyshawn throwing his helmet after his first TD was cool. Kotite WAS Barney Fife.

kcmets Oct 27 2020 12:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=49089 time=1603762413 user_id=60]-You need an owner who is so clueless that he does not fire the coach halfway during the season.

Eh, what's the point of an interim coach for a 0-7 team? Who would that be? Dowell

Loggains? Dude couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fist full of Franklins.

nymr83 Nov 02 2020 11:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=49113 time=1603823481 user_id=53] =MFS62 post_id=49089 time=1603762413 user_id=60]-You need an owner who is so clueless that he does not fire the coach halfway during the season.

Eh, what's the point of an interim coach for a 0-7 team? Who would that be? Dowell

Loggains? Dude couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fist full of Franklins.


Yeah, the reasons NOT to fire Gase:



1. its been cited that the Johnsons want to avoid the appearance of having a quick trigger finger - remember, as bad as things are Gase hasn't finished his second full season. They are afraid the next big hire won't want the job if they think they only get ~20 games to turn things around



2. What is Sam Darnold as a football player? I don't know, you don't know, and the Jets don't know. Does giving him a new coach for 8 games help answer that question or does it just muddy the waters even further to have him try to play in a new system for 8 games? Of course of the Jets get the #1 pick and Lawrence comes out of college the question is likely moot. But what if the Jets pick 2nd or 3rd? What if Lawrence stays in school? the Jets need to know if they need a QB and firing the coach might not be the best way to learn that.



3. They want the #1 pick and Gase gives them the best shot at that.

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2020 11:17 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Quick, call time out!

kcmets Dec 06 2020 02:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 06 2020 03:03 PM

lmfao!

MFS62 Dec 06 2020 02:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It reminded me of a last minute 47 yard TD pass to Warren Wells in the end zone at Shea Stadium by the Raiders that beat the Jets. It was either thrown by Lamonica or Blanda. I was so angry I punched a concrete column and cracked the stone in my college ring. This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2020 04:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=51741 time=1607291773 user_id=60] This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry.

Yeah, maybe it'll get them a savior on a par with Sanchez or Darnold.

Lefty Specialist Dec 06 2020 05:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=MFS62 post_id=51741 time=1607291773 user_id=60] It reminded me of a last minute 47 yard TD pass to Warren Wells in the end zone at Shea Stadium by the Raiders that beat the Jets. It was either thrown by Lamonica or Blanda. I was so angry I punched a concrete column and cracked the stone in my college ring. This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry. Later

This entire season has been like punching a concrete column over and over.

nymr83 Dec 06 2020 08:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: =MFS62 post_id=51741 time=1607291773 user_id=60] This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry. Yeah, maybe it'll get them a savior on a par with Sanchez or Darnold.

Well, they need one.



Maybe Darnold would be a good quarterback with a good coach or good surrounding cast. But even if that were the case, he is done here. The economics of the NFL make it so that quarterbacks - even mediocre ones - command a large portion of the salary cap once they are off their rookie contract. Darnold has one more year until that happens. So even if you believed he would turn into an average guy and that the rookie would be the same, you are better off with 4 years of rookie-contract Lawrence.

MFS62 Dec 07 2020 06:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: =MFS62 post_id=51741 time=1607291773 user_id=60] This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry. Yeah, maybe it'll get them a savior on a par with Sanchez or Darnold.

Many players have fulfilled their potential after leaving coach Adam Gase. One was quarterback Ryan Tannehill who went from terrible in Miami to a Playoff-caliber QB in Tennessee. It would not surprise me if Darnold did the same. Sam is mentally shot here but still has the tools. His best plays have come when the plays Gase called have broken down and he has to improvise.

Whichever player the Jets select in the next draft, Gase must be gone.

Later

MFS62 Dec 07 2020 10:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets have fired Defensive coach Gregg Williams. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-jets-fire-defensive-coordinator-gregg-williams-after-legendarily-awful-loss-to-raiders-161424493.html The announcers and local sportscasters were vocal about why the Jets were blitzing on the last play and not playing more defensive backs deep. It was a bad defense on the prior incomplete pass (he should have seen the receiver get behind the defense) so playing the same defense on the last play was inexcusable and unforgiveable. Later

Lefty Specialist Dec 07 2020 11:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Boy, I don't know how they turn it around after this dumpster fire of a season. Is Bill Parcells too old to coach again?

Frayed Knot Dec 07 2020 02:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: =MFS62 post_id=51741 time=1607291773 user_id=60] This one? It keeps the dream alive for the #1 draft pick, so I'm not angry. Yeah, maybe it'll get them a savior on a par with Sanchez or Darnold. Well, they need one. Maybe Darnold would be a good quarterback with a good coach or good surrounding cast. But even if that were the case, he is done here. The economics of the NFL make it so that quarterbacks - even mediocre ones - command a large portion of the salary cap once they are off their rookie contract. Darnold has one more year until that happens. So even if you believed he would turn into an average guy and that the rookie would be the same, you are better off with 4 years of rookie-contract Lawrence.

My point was that rooting for draft picks is loser strategy but too many fans have bee conditioned into thinking it's the way to solve all their problems even as the track record for doing so is poor.

Trevor Lawrence is the belle of the ball for the moment (and may well be great in time) but Darnold was once that guy and so was Sanchez, as were a whole slew of other college guys who are

hyped and marketed each year as if success at a lower levels automatically conveys to the pros.

Also, maybe an average QB plus all the booty one could get for trading the #1 pick -- or the #2 should they disappoint their fans by actually winning a game or two this year -- might work out

better than banking everything on the latest savior du jour.

Lefty Specialist Dec 13 2020 08:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Sportsmax- the channel for Jets fans. [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_K5czbny4[/YOUTUBE]

kcmets Dec 20 2020 05:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

There goes the (im)perfecto...

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2020 05:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The best laid plans ...

MFS62 Dec 20 2020 05:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Mixed emotions - like watching your mother-in-law go over a cliff - in your new car. Later

Edgy MD Dec 20 2020 07:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Sheesh, man. Acting like weenies over a win is embarrassing.

Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2020 04:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Well, losing the #1 pick isn't anything to get excited about. Oh wait, yes it is.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2020 06:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 21 2020 07:57 AM

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, losing the #1 pick isn't anything to get excited about. Oh wait, yes it is. Except that the concept of 'Tanking for Trevor' is being done with no more zeal than was 'Sucking for Sam' a few years back and we see how well that's turned out. And while there are those claiming Lawrence is destined to be the greatest #1 pick in the history of mankind (that may well be, I have no opinion on the matter) similar things are said of just about every #1 overall every season and it's only after they flop, or at least don't succeed to the degree expected, that those supposedly in the know claim to have known all along that the guy was never worthy of being a true #1.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2020 06:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 21 2020 07:49 AM

So in an attempt to at least partially answer my own question, it looks like 15 of the last 20 #1 overall picks have been spent on QBs; some good, some not-so-good, some too soon to tell. Not sure how many of the good would be considered "franchise changing" types. Starting in 2001: Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow I suppose the more interesting thing to look at is how the #2 or 3 picks in each of those years looks in retrospect. One thing I do know is that, just 3-1/2 years ago, nine teams (including the Jets) passed on Patrick Mahomes II who, at age 25 with just 45 games in the league, is already considered a lock to have a bust in Canton, Ohio. oe: that group of 15 above went to a combined four Super Bowls with two SB wins: Manning x 2 (and both wins), Cam Newton and Jared Goff (the guy who lost to Darnold yesterday as a 17 point favorite) went to one SB each but neither won. Newton, I believe, had the only regular season MVP out of that group.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 21 2020 06:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I saw the 2nd half of the Jets game. I was rooting for them to win and I'm glad they did. I don;t actually know the answer but does Darnold really suck?

LWFS Dec 21 2020 07:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

He's not undeniably, context-p'shawing great. But he's also been running for his life in the previous two seasons... and throwing to a replacement-level skeleton crew behind a still-gelling line for this one. His decision-making and accuracy both appear to have regressed a bit this year. The issue is, he's approaching the end of his rookie deal, which is pretty much fish or cut bait time. It's tough to commit to a multiyear, market-rate deal-- especially one that might undercut your ability to give your QB ingredients with which to "cook"-- for a guy who still seems so... unformed. He's just 24, yet.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 21 2020 07:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Thanks. It just seems like a wasteful treadmill for these teams that are always in search of the killer app

whippoorwill Dec 21 2020 08:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Patrick Mahomes is really something special isn't he? Edit: and yet my spell check changed his name to Mahoney

Willets Point Dec 21 2020 11:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I was in attendance when the 1980 New Orleans Saints won their first and only game of the season in Week 15 at Shea Stadium against the Jets. People (well, mostly just men) stormed the field and wrestled in the snow. I believe things have come full circle.

MFS62 Dec 22 2020 07:50 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Speaking of those Saints, the loss of the #1 pick to draft a quarterback really hurts. I was originally in the camp of "Let's put a good offensive line in front of Darnold and see what he can do". I compared his situation to Archie Manning when he came to the NFL with the Saints and was running for his life and getting beat up every game. But the more I see Darnold, I see him making the same mistakes as he did as a rookie; running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, throwing into (sometimes double) coverage, telegraphing his throws by not looking off a receiver, etc. Those are things he should have learned and understood by now. I believe if they put great pieces around him, he will never be more than a QB who just manages the offense, and I'm now not even sure he can do that. Later

Edgy MD Dec 22 2020 09:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Willets Point wrote: I was in attendance when the 1980 New Orleans Saints won their first and only game of the season in Week 15 at Shea Stadium against the Jets. People (well, mostly just men) stormed the field and wrestled in the snow. I believe things have come full circle. And the Saints went for George Rogers, who had a perfectly good career — two pro-bowls, one first-team all-pro — but the Giants with the second pick grabbed Lawrence Taylor, widely (but not universally) considered to be the greatest defensive player in the history of football. Rooting for your team to lose in order to improve their draft position is a tough way to spend your life. Good for the Saints for grabbing that win. Good For the Jets for fighting to the end in the snow trying to stop them.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 27 2020 02:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

J E T S

Fman99 Dec 27 2020 07:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Edgy MD wrote: Rooting for your team to lose in order to improve their draft position is a tough way to spend your life. Good for the Saints for grabbing that win. Good For the Jets for fighting to the end in the snow trying to stop them. Concur 100%. I don't care if Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ is the projected #1. Play to win.

LWFS Dec 28 2020 08:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I mean, at this point, might as well. It is heartening to see them playing with obvious effort.

MFS62 Jan 04 2021 07:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets fired coach Adam Gase. If you listened to the fans and the press, that was as predictable as tRump saying he won. If you had seen their owner say Gase has a "brilliant offensive mind" while the Jets had one of the bottom 3 offenses in the league, you still had your doubts it would happen. Later

Fman99 Jan 04 2021 09:12 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Good. This needed to happen.

kcmets Jan 04 2021 09:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

If you had seen their owner say Gase has a "brilliant offensive mind" I'll take delusional for 800, Alex. Hard to believe they'll ever turn the corner, hell even sniff the corner. KB says to me yesterday, "I can't believe you still root for them." She's right. Giving up our season tickets with the new stadium seat- licensing thing bugged me for a few years but thank freakin' Miss Molly we're not financially married to this yearly shit show any more.

Lefty Specialist Jan 04 2021 01:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

LEAST surprising thing about 2021 so far.

ashie62 Jan 04 2021 08:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Gase will be working at a Cinnabon in Omaha NE.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 15 2021 01:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets got a good one in Robert Saleh, who might attract a lot of 49ers talent to his new team. 21 Niners are free agents; the team has a tough salary cap situation and the Jets are among the best positioned teams in the NFL, salary cap-wise.

MFS62 Jan 15 2021 01:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

The Jets got a good one in Robert Saleh, who might attract a lot of 49ers talent to his new team. 21 Niners are free agents; the team has a tough salary cap situation and the Jets are among the best positioned teams in the NFL, salary cap-wise. He is the first Muslim head coach in the NFL: https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-coach-robert-salehs-trail-blazing-roots-can-be-found-in-dearborn-michigan-an-all-american-town-063254311.html It also might make Darnold's job more secure, since the offense his offensive coordinator (reportedly Mike LeFleur) will bring with him doesn't rely on the QB to do too much. It relies on a strong running game, with a lot of controlled passes and roll-outs. Later

MFS62 Jan 25 2021 03:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Owner Woody Johnson is back (from being US Ambassador to England) and his announcement was: I would like to thank my brother, Christopher, for leading the organization while I was away. His dedication and thoughtfulness has set us up for future success and I'm looking forward to working closely together. Didn't relations between the two countries deteriorate while he was there? Please just let him leave the football decisions to the football people and stay away. Later

ashie62 Jan 25 2021 05:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Future success? This is the Jets.

ashie62 Jan 25 2021 05:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I would keep Darnell rather than trade the #2 overall for DeShaun Watson. A Muslim coach in the brown NFL is long overdue.

ashie62 Jan 25 2021 05:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=ashie62 post_id=54755 time=1611621657 user_id=90] I would keep Darnell rather than trade the #2 overall for DeShaun Watson. A Muslim coach in the brown NFL is long overdue.

LWFS Jan 25 2021 05:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Worth noting in all this Deshaun Watson trade-hype: apart from being consistently amazing (despite generally underwhelming supporting talent-- especially coach-wise-- in Houston) he's still just 25 years old, and won't turn 26 until next season begins.

kcmets Jan 25 2021 05:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Posts disappeared I was about to respond to. Weird, hope it's just a glitch. I'm in camp keep Darnold, forget about trading for or drafting a QB and trade the high draft pick for a boat load of picks to the highest bidder. I'm never wrong sometimes.

LWFS Jan 25 2021 06:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Darnold may be good, still. Deshaun Watson IS great. Like, Rodgers-and-Wilson-level, just-sub-Mahomes-level great. Top 2-3 in every passing category that matters great... top 3-5 in the league right now-- and that's ranking REALLY conservatively-- great. And he's just two years older than Darnold. Who is, y'know, not so great.

Frayed Knot Apr 05 2021 02:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets trading Darnold to the Panthers for a variety of draft picks.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 05 2021 02:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Geez. Forever spinning wheels these Jets are.

kcmets Apr 05 2021 02:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

6th round pick this year is pretty lame. 2nd and 4th next year. Can't comment further until Mel Kiper tweets.

MFS62 Apr 05 2021 03:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=59465 time=1617656080 user_id=53] 6th round pick this year is pretty lame. 2nd and 4th next year. Can't comment further until Mel Kiper tweets.

Mel Kiper knows as much about pro football as Peter Gammons does about the National League.

He liked Darnold and had him ranked the best quarterback in his draft class.



The expected draft pick - Zach Wilson seems to have the skill set to perform well in the new coach's offensive scheme, but only time will tell.



The Mets will have to do something spectacular to make it to the back page headline tomorrow.

Later

kcmets Apr 05 2021 04:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I was of course being abundantly over-the-top sarcastic re: Kiper.

MFS62 Apr 05 2021 04:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=59475 time=1617661203 user_id=53] I was of course being abundantly over-the-top sarcastic re: Kiper.

Gotcha' :)

Later

LWFS Apr 05 2021 06:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=kcmets post_id=59465 time=1617656080 user_id=53] 6th round pick this year is pretty lame. 2nd and 4th next year.

Considering that this is the last year of Darnold's rookie contract in a salary-cap league, and they STILL don't know quite what to make of him, it's about as good a deal as you could expect. (Consider: Carson Wentz, with a significantly more distinguished track record, fetched a package that was comparable-- 3rd-round, conditional 2022 2nd-- from the Colts.)



They've now got 21 (!) picks in the next two drafts, including four first-rounders and three second-rounders. Even if just by accident, as long as this Wiison kid is 70 percent of what the experts think he'll be, they're likely to be halfway-decent at the end of this.

Fman99 Apr 05 2021 08:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Darnold never had a quality RB, or multiple good WRs, or any kind of coherent coaching staff in his entire NYJ career. So who the hell knows if he's any good?

MFS62 Apr 05 2021 08:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=Fman99 post_id=59625 time=1617675107 user_id=86] Darnold never had a quality RB, or multiple good WRs, or any kind of coherent coaching staff in his entire NYJ career. So who the hell knows if he's any good?

But, after three years, he still:

takes a loss rather than throwing the ball away

throws into double coverage

misreads defenses



Those are things that don't depend on a supporting cast, and should have gotten better by now.

They haven't.

It is time to move on.



Later

LWFS Apr 05 2021 09:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

And even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's ALL on Gase or McCagnan or Brodie... the fact of the matter is that because he's due a raise after this year, they kinda need to make the decision about whether he's any good NOW, when they have a plethora of other good options available. And if we don't know what he is/will be definitively-- what his actual defining strengths and weaknesses are, versus those that are just transitory-- then how do you surround him with the "right" talent (best suited to his strengths), anyway? I think he'll be good. I think he'll probably be better with the Panthers than he ever was with us, or at least more consistent. But at this point, the timing just doesn't work out.

Fman99 Apr 06 2021 05:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

These are fair points. Good luck to the guy.

kcmets Apr 06 2021 08:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Seems moreso than not the consensus is that this was quality GM'ing and a good haul. I can admit when I'm never wrong sometimes.

LWFS Apr 06 2021 08:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

I mean, best move given the circumstances. But... set up by terrible GMing and coaching for three years or so.

RealityChuck Apr 07 2021 12:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

So this year, they're going to draft their QB of the future. After they drafted their QB of the future three years ago in Sam Darnold After they drafted their QB of the future in Gino Smith After they drafted their QB of the future in 2009 in Mark Sanchez It looks like the Jets' QB of the future has no future.

Frayed Knot Apr 07 2021 03:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

It's an ingenious strategy that puts the Jets in position of constantly being just three years away from being three years away.

MFS62 Apr 07 2021 03:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Frayed Knot wrote: It's an ingenious strategy that puts the Jets in position of constantly being just three years away from being three years away. The difference is, the guys making these moves (GM and coach) have a track record of success doing it their way, not the incompetent buffoons who manned those posts in recent regimes. I feel very confident they are on the right track toward building a winning team. Later

Frayed Knot Apr 07 2021 04:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Time will tell. It's just that when I hear football being discussed it seems to me that the league is usually talked about as having more MENSA members than the group photos from the Nobel ceremonies. And, yet, bad picks are made, can't misses actually do, and last year's genius is next year's bum all the time.

nymr83 Apr 08 2021 08:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

=RealityChuck post_id=59948 time=1617820680 user_id=82] So this year, they're going to draft their QB of the future. After they drafted their QB of the future three years ago in Sam Darnold After they drafted their QB of the future in Gino Smith After they drafted their QB of the future in 2009 in Mark Sanchez It looks like the Jets' QB of the future has no future.

Smith was only a Second Round pick which is usually a spot your are ok to fail on a quarterback without killing your franchise. Of course if you waste a 2nd round pick on a QB who never even takes a pro snap and is out of the league already, that is not good (you missed Christian Hackenscrub)

MFS62 Apr 29 2021 08:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets fans fondly remember Broadway Joe. But, if they draft him tonight, I'm naming our new quarterback Hackensack Zach. Later

kcmets Apr 29 2021 07:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Jets get their Zach. Mel Kiper's hairdo still amusing.

MFS62 Apr 29 2021 08:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S , Jets Jets Jets

Now that I think about it, he might be Zach Fifth Avenue. Later