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Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 22 2019 08:14 AM

we talked about this in the other room http://www.thecranepool.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27479 I just wanted to say I finally saw it, and it sucked

whippoorwill Feb 22 2019 10:17 AM Re: BoRap

Have not seen it. I'm actually waiting to see if my mom asks me to take her, otherwise I doubt I will go

Vic Sage Feb 22 2019 11:44 AM Re: BoRap

It is riddled with all the tropes and clichés of the "rock star biopic" sub-genre, but, unlike Judd Apatow's "WALK HARD: DEWEY COX STORY", a hilarious sendup of those clichés, BORAP is actually sincere about it. And Remi Malek, a great actor whom I love in MR. ROBOT, is acting with his teeth. Still, to give it it's due, the movie looks pretty great and the concert scenes are powerfully effective.

MFS62 Feb 24 2019 02:29 PM Re: BoRap

It was entertaining, and the concert scenes were excellent. I didn't miss what others have said was missing, nor note all the cliches, because I don't remember seeing any other rock bio-pics. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 24 2019 04:52 PM Re: BoRap

The whole concert scenes thing seems to be both the strength and weakness of the movie: if the recreated live scenes are good, you could save yourself the rest of the movie by just hauling the actual 'Live Aid' concert video with the actual Freddie Mercury up via YOUTUBE

MFS62 Feb 25 2019 05:12 AM Re: BoRap

I've seen the actual live Aid footage. But that doesn't mean I didn't like the movie. And I guess I wasn't the only one. Later

cal sharpie Mar 11 2019 01:46 PM Re: BoRap

Saw it on a plane yesterday. Given that the surviving members of Queen were part of it, it seemed pretty clear that they had a bit of an agenda to make damn sure that everybody knows that they all wrote those songs and that they (and his sainted wife) were the ones who kept him on the right track. Two stars.

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 12 2019 07:51 AM Re: BoRap

"We're Queen! We're not bound by your so-called rules of rock-n-roll!!!" Oh stfu, Queen.

whippoorwill Jan 18 2020 01:39 PM Re: BoRap

Watched it today and I don't know what the eff you guys were watching but I thought it was sensational

MFS62 Jan 18 2020 04:45 PM Re: BoRap

=whippoorwill post_id=30054 time=1579379953 user_id=79] Watched it today and I don't know what the eff you guys were watching but I thought it was sensational

Agree.

Later

LWFS Jan 18 2020 06:34 PM Re: BoRap

It's tough to be sensational-- or even the least bit edifying-- when you're not being, y'know, honest about the subject. In both form and content, it's the kind of biopic you tend to get when some of the subjects are directly involved with the making. Malek is really good, but he's buried under a pile of sanitized-cum-bowdlerized stuff that lightly crucifies the dead guy in service of serviceable biopic material that isn't emotionally or factually true... and those teeth.

whippoorwill Jan 19 2020 09:19 AM Re: BoRap

That's sad to know...what wasn't accurate? Most of what I read about him after watching it seemed to match up except Jim was not a waiter but a hairdresser Also the band actors looked astonishingly like the real guys to me

LWFS Jan 19 2020 09:57 AM Re: BoRap

Among many other more trivial things are these big 'uns: -- Queen hadn't been on hiatus before Live Aid; they were a tight, well-oiled touring machine at that point (which is part of the reason they were able to pull off such a tight set on short notice). -- The breakup prior to Live Aid is an invention, presumably for dramatic convenience; also an invention, then, is his being an asshole over going solo, and that being the reason for their breaking up (he wasn't even the first to record a solo album-- Roger Taylor, the guy who scoffs at his solo ambitions in the movie, had recorded TWO before Freddie made a move to do so himself). -- The AIDS diagnosis came a few years after Live Aid. Which... well, Freddie Mercury's diagnosis and subsequent public announcement were a huge deal in terms of acceptance of AIDS patients as, y'know, human beings, so its usage here as emotional glue to foster the band's reunion following an imaginary breakup seems... a little cynical and untoward, at best; at worst, it's gross tragedy porn.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 19 2020 10:48 AM Re: BoRap

Plus for pendants a lot of stuff coming out of sequence, playing Keep Yourself Alive years too soon.

whippoorwill Jan 19 2020 11:01 AM Re: BoRap

All good to know! I did notice the Keep Yourself Alive part

whippoorwill Jan 19 2020 11:20 AM Re: BoRap

Okay so if you discount all that errorship, can you agree the performances were good? Plus did you really know all that stuff when you walked into the theatre?

MFS62 Jan 19 2020 12:47 PM Re: BoRap

=whippoorwill post_id=30119 time=1579458002 user_id=79] Okay so if you discount all that errorship, can you agree the performances were good? Plus did you really know all that stuff when you walked into the theatre?

I didn't know any of that stuff, and don't recall having seen any other rock bio-pics, so I enjoyed it.

Later

whippoorwill Jan 19 2020 02:20 PM Re: BoRap

Me and you, 62 :)

LWFS Jan 19 2020 06:35 PM Re: BoRap

After I got my kid into Queen-- honestly, once you play the song "BR" for about 90% of kids, the work is done for you-- she ended up taking the ball and running the length of the field with it, to the extent that she goes deep-cut-heavy when asked her favorites ("Innuendo," "I'm Going Slightly Mad," "The Show Must Go On"... though "Somebody to Love" makes the cut, too) AND ended up being the one who called my attention to the opening date of the movie. In preparation, I took a quickie swerve through Queen history just to see what minefields I'd have to be prepared to discuss with her, post-flick (she was eight at the time). So... the basics of the Freddie personal history, basic band history, discography chronology, and all that. I didn't notice every single distortion in real time, but there was a sort of creeping feeling of "Wait, did that actually" at more than a few junctures. It's not like the movie is a terrible film. It's just... there. Though when one considers the fact that it flattened out aspects of the main character that were KINDA key to how much he means to a lot of people (and, likely, his actual personality), and that it distorts the AIDS announcement timing for cheap melodrama, and that it was all approved (if not pushed) by his ostensible friends, well... the there-ness curdles into something a little more sour for me. I mean, if you're going to play that fast and loose with facts... at least do something more interesting (see: the weird-ass, shaggy-dog-as-stage-outfit-tale "Rocketman").

whippoorwill Jan 20 2020 08:53 AM Re: BoRap

She was eight? I'm impressed! Knowing now that the AIDS announcement was mistimed does seem forced. Plus at the time AIDS was still very much a scary mystery so them all hugging when they weren't sure it was safe....(though I really hope that's what happened) Still I liked the movie a lot and thought it well done. Very good performances by actors who are too young to remember I am WAY to much of a fan of Eltons to go see Rocketman. I'd be picking that apart Lolol

batmagadanleadoff Jan 20 2020 09:08 AM Re: BoRap

Also, in the movie, the band is shown playing Fat Bottomed Girls early on, before Bohemian Rhapsody was ever recorded. This was an annoying screwup as FBG was recorded in 1978 for the Jazz album, a coupl'a albums after Bohemian Rhapsody. I don't consider this error to be trivial. How'd you like to see a Beatles movie where they're depicted playing A Day in the Life on their first Ed Sullivan show appearance? Here's one not many people would know about and I haven't found a mention of it on the internet. It's a minor gaffe, but one that I happen to know. The movie depicts Queen playing at Madison Square Garden and performing We Will Rock You/We are the Champions on their News of the World Tour. In real life, when Freddie Mercury was about to sing We are the Champions, a stage hand walked out on stage to hand Mercury a satin New York Yankees jacket, which Mercury then donned. This didn't happen in the movie. I happen to know this annoying detail because I was at that concert -- (Orchestra seats, about 15 rows from the stage).

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 20 2020 10:07 AM Re: BoRap

How could they screw that detail up?!? I may be remembering FBGs as KYA... I just remember it totally didn't sit well with me and every moment after that I met with complete cyncism.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 20 2020 10:44 AM Re: BoRap

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: How could they screw that detail up?!? I may be remembering FBGs as KYA... I just remember it totally didn't sit well with me and every moment after that I met with complete cyncism. I'm totally with you on this. I could see how others might think it's a minor screw-up, but for me, it was a major gaffe and it lingered with me in the back of my head throughout the rest of the movie. Also, I can't see how this is some "screw-up" as if a mistake was made. Like the band members didn't realize when FBG was recorded or that the fact checkers didn't research every song used in the movie? This was intentional.

LWFS Jan 20 2020 06:21 PM Re: BoRap

Yeah, the "]I am WAY to much of a fan of Eltons to go see Rocketman. I'd be picking that apart Lolol

Have you read about it? It's less of a biopic than it is a musical. It's wild and weird and fun for a fan. Not the kind of thing you pick apart; more the kind of thing that's like having sex with Max Power-- you just strap yourself in and feel the Gs.

whippoorwill Jan 21 2020 07:00 AM Re: BoRap

No I haven't actually

Edgy MD Jan 22 2020 05:27 AM Re: BoRap

BLAME IT ON THE BORAP! MUSICIAN BIOS CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT (AND SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED) Judy (2019) Renée Zellweger plays 1969-era Judy Garland. Suck it, Judy Davis. I Am Woman (2019) This Helen Reddy biopic has already been released in Australia to great fanfare, but it has so far been enbargoed in the US. Call Netflix and get angry. WHAT THE FUCK!! I Still Believe (March 2020) Riverdale's K.J. Apa plays hard-luck Christian singer Jeremy Camp, with Shania Twain playing his mom. Has this guy really covered The Call? If so, OK, but don't tell me they're using the Call song as a title for his biopic. Respect (August 2020) Jennifer Hudson plays Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul, written by Thema & Louise screenwriter Callie Khouri. The Power of Love — Celine Dion (2021?) Valérie Lemercier both directs and stars, so you know this will be great. Plus, it's in French, so you don't have to listen to the words, just the notes, which gets you halfway home, I think. Untitled Elvis Presley-Themed Thing (October 2021) Baz Luhrman directs beauty-boy-but-up-until-this-mostly-a-supporting-actor Austin Butler portraying the King, with Tom F. Hanks as The Colonel, telling the story of Presley's rise to fame. On the bright side, if you're having trouble sleeping, you can count reasons not to see this film. Blue Moon of Kentucky (2021?) No release date (or cast) has been publicly announced, but Khori is also writing this story about the life of bluegrass pioneer Bill Monroe. Untitled Amy Winehouse-Themed Thing (2021?) Not much news except that Winey's father is cooperating. Untitled Bob Marley-Themed Thing (2021?) Ziggy producing. Untitled Boy George-Themed Thing (2021?) Sacha Gervasi (Anvil: The Story of Anvil) tells the tale of Boy growing up, as the genre of rock biopics becomes even more dominated by the sub-genre of gay rock biopics. Beautiful — Carole King (2022) This adaptation of the jukebox musical has been bouncing around since 2015, but now it's got Tom Hanks' backing. And when he joins a project, it becomes big. Untitled John and Yoko Thingie (2022?) BoRap writer Anthony McCarten has been hired, so you know the historical accuracy will be pristine. Jean Marc Vallée (Big Little Lies, Dallas Buyers Club) will direct stuff. I've got to get in the shower, but other upcoming music biofilm subjects I've found: Leonard Bernstein, Teddy Pendergrass, Madonna, etc. Kill me now.

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 06:42 AM Re: BoRap

Please say this is one of your masterpiece made up stories

Vic Sage Jan 22 2020 08:46 AM Re: BoRap

I didn't care a bit about the historical inaccuracies of the film. My problem was with the cliche-riddled, paint-by-numbers storytelling. Biopics have tropes, and this film nailed all of them in groan-inducing ways. Someone mentioned ROCKETMAN; that's an example of an original and thrilling take on the genre.

Edgy MD Jan 22 2020 09:27 AM Re: BoRap

=whippoorwill post_id=30283 time=1579700536 user_id=79] Please say this is one of your masterpiece made up stories

You're too kind.



No, them's all in development, or production, or in the can. Which ones will or won't see the light of day is another question.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 09:52 AM Re: BoRap

Rock biopics have come a long way from Athens: Inside-Out As discussed here previously the Van Halen origin story could be a dynamite movie. The KISS origin story: Are you kidding? Would be so fucking great. The latter idea is such a guaranteed Moneymaker I'm surprised Gene $immons hasn't done 3 versions already

cal sharpie Jan 22 2020 10:37 AM Re: BoRap

I've been hearing talk of a Graham Parsons biopic for about ten years now. That must be in some development hell somewhere or other.

Willets Point Jan 22 2020 10:42 AM Re: BoRap

Edgy MD wrote: Untitled Amy Winehouse-Themed Thing (2021?) Not much news except that Winey's father is cooperating. It would be better if her father is not involved since he's a shameless self-promoter, and a pretty shitty dad by most accounts.

Edgy MD Jan 22 2020 11:24 AM Re: BoRap

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Rock biopics have come a long way from Athens: Inside-Out As discussed here previously the Van Halen origin story could be a dynamite movie. The KISS origin story: Are you kidding? Would be so fucking great. The latter idea is such a guaranteed Moneymaker I'm surprised Gene $immons hasn't done 3 versions already And he's so-far passed on a juke box musical. Weird, but I guess there's more certainty in the coffin game.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 11:57 AM Re: BoRap

My new screenplay (working title: DRESSED TO KILL) follows young Stanley Eisen from his days as an teenage outcast ashamed of his deformed ear and hounded by a fuckedup parents to a meeting with brash, horny, opinionated mama's-boy Chaim Bloom as young rockers in a big, dangerous city with big, dangerous dreams. Along the way they recruit a hearty-partying guitar whiz and a sour, would-be Brooklyn gangster drummer; hook up with a manager who teaches them the tricks of long-vanished vaudeville magic and together, with only a few songs and even fewer ideas, they leapfrog contemporaries with better chops and bigger followings, on their way to domination (of 13 year old boys). Flick ends with the release of ALIVE! leaving just enough breadcrumbs to promise sequel after sequel after sequel. My only concession to Hollywood is to cast good looking young actors

Edgy MD Jan 22 2020 12:57 PM Re: BoRap

I think we should open with Bar Mitzvah footage. Mom is all proud of pious young Chaim while he's sneaking into the girls' room to ogle cousin Ruthie. Too cheap?

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 01:33 PM Re: BoRap

You're all hilarious My favorite rock band flick is Gimmee Shelter

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 02:35 PM Re: BoRap

Edgy MD wrote: I think we should open with Bar Mitzvah footage. Mom is all proud of pious young Chaim while he's sneaking into the girls' room to ogle cousin Ruthie. Too cheap? No I love it. I probably need to pay Ken Sharp to adapt scenes from his NOTHIN TO LOSE oral history and I don't know anything about how to write scripts but godamn what a story

whippoorwill Feb 15 2020 04:25 PM Re: BoRap

This movie fucking rocked. If you don't like it too bad

MFS62 Feb 15 2020 09:07 PM Re: BoRap

Edgy MD wrote: (AND SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED) Judy (2019) Renée Zellweger plays 1969-era Judy Garland. Suck it, Judy Davis. Not only did it happen, but it happened quite well for Renée: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ren-e-zellweger-wins-oscar-041343848.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaD9wPXJlbmVlK3plbGx3ZWdlcisyMDIwJmZyPXlmcC10LXMmZnA9MSZ0b2dnbGU9MSZjb3A9bXNzJmVpPVVURi04&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACNX4V9m7wTvCjMx9Zhx31YBZjWXzA2KSd9lwv_eYtWTztRccO3llp4WTqPaLxzVTwF-WeYibTNR3TB-cz7gy0hy1FQ--tIygMQnHLl2pqiiz9RQ_h3WqjihNCq1e-XDYJr0fMyyvgKKc0l3ows4QQK40s1gUXwQCj8mQmDB33bq Later

41Forever Feb 16 2020 10:59 AM Re: BoRap

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: My new screenplay (working title: DRESSED TO KILL) follows young Stanley Eisen from his days as an teenage outcast ashamed of his deformed ear and hounded by a fuckedup parents to a meeting with brash, horny, opinionated mama's-boy Chaim Bloom as young rockers in a big, dangerous city with big, dangerous dreams. Along the way they recruit a hearty-partying guitar whiz and a sour, would-be Brooklyn gangster drummer; hook up with a manager who teaches them the tricks of long-vanished vaudeville magic and together, with only a few songs and even fewer ideas, they leapfrog contemporaries with better chops and bigger followings, on their way to domination (of 13 year old boys). Flick ends with the release of ALIVE! leaving just enough breadcrumbs to promise sequel after sequel after sequel. My only concession to Hollywood is to cast good looking young actors Just catching up to the glorious screenplay, and I'd watch it all day. Technically, I think you are looking for Chaim Witz instead of Red Sox general manager Chaim Bloom, but I think that would be a cool story, too! Apparently there is an A&E project in the works, but I think it will be a straight documentary instead of a bio-pic.

MFS62 Feb 17 2020 06:14 AM Re: BoRap

I was (technically) in the 1980 version of Dressed to Kill (Brian De Palma). There is a scene that includes a shot of the actors in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and I was in a bus that was driving up 5th Avenue while the cameras were rolling. They did not ask our names to list us in the credits. :( Lunchie, I would be happy to have a speaking role in your movie as a sleazy show-biz type. I was not in the 1940's Sherlock Holmes movie with the same title. Later

Vic Sage Feb 20 2020 07:59 AM Re: BoRap

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: My new screenplay (working title: DRESSED TO KILL) follows young Stanley Eisen from his days as an teenage outcast ashamed of his deformed ear and hounded by a fuckedup parents to a meeting with brash, horny, opinionated mama's-boy Chaim Bloom as young rockers in a big, dangerous city with big, dangerous dreams. Along the way they recruit a hearty-partying guitar whiz and a sour, would-be Brooklyn gangster drummer; hook up with a manager who teaches them the tricks of long-vanished vaudeville magic and together, with only a few songs and even fewer ideas, they leapfrog contemporaries with better chops and bigger followings, on their way to domination (of 13 year old boys). Flick ends with the release of ALIVE! leaving just enough breadcrumbs to promise sequel after sequel after sequel. My only concession to Hollywood is to cast good looking young actors if you really want to get it green-lighted, you have to add Howard The Duck. [url]https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Howard_the_Duck_Vol_1_13 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ef/22/32/ef22326f41cbc2c69483b73d9c73f1c0.jpg>