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Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Edgy MD Feb 10 2019 08:07 PM

Hi, I'm not only considered by consensus to be one of the Mets' two hottest prospects, I'm easily the closer to majors of the two. I think I led the minors in homers last year. And that's a cool feather to add to your cap when you're so young. People may think that I just broke through last year, but I'm 24, I've had three years in the minors playing for five different teams, and I've slugged between .550 and .600 everywhere I go. Maybe I'm good at this game. Maybe the Mets need to find out how good. What do you think? http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/bf/e3/peteralonso-handout-ftr-050318jpg_122tqy2ulo6ma1wuel9epfglj6.jpg?t=652883635&w=960&quality=70>

MFS62 Feb 11 2019 07:28 AM Re: Nineteen Notions: Peter Alonso

Stick him at first base and leave him there - for 15 years. Make Dominic Smith a distant memory - the answer to a far future trivia question. Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 11 2019 07:32 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

He's one of the intriguing questions at this point. I think Frazier starts the year at first base, but how long he lasts there will depend on both Frazier's performance and Alonso's. And if Alonso ends up displacing Frazier (and I suspect he will, but maybe not immediately) will that be from the lineup? Or from the roster?

Vic Sage Feb 11 2019 08:00 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Yes, he's promising. He could be the best home-grown hitter we've developed since Wright. But he has no glove, no speed, and has a lot of swing-and-miss in his game, so he could also end up as a RHed Lucas Duda, but without the walks. Not to say he shouldn't be given a shot, but I remain cautious.

smg58 Feb 11 2019 08:15 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

His minor league tenure is comparable to Paul Goldschmidt's -- including significant concerns about his defense. Goldschmidt jumped AAA and hit .250/.333/.474 in 177 ABs, before following it with .286/.359/.490 line in his first full season. I'll go in between those numbers: .268/.346/.482 in 500 ABs, with 20 HR and 70 RBI.

nymr83 Feb 11 2019 09:13 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

=smg58 post_id=2728 time=1549898106 user_id=62] His minor league tenure is comparable to Paul Goldschmidt's -- including significant concerns about his defense. Goldschmidt jumped AAA and hit .250/.333/.474 in 177 ABs, before following it with .286/.359/.490 line in his first full season. I'll go in between those numbers: .268/.346/.482 in 500 ABs, with 20 HR and 70 RBI.

He needs to hire Goldy's PR guys - because I thought he was considered a good defender!

Centerfield Feb 11 2019 11:26 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Edgy MD wrote: Hi, I'm not only the considered by consensus to be one of the Mets' two hottest prospects, I'm easily the closer to majors of the two. Who is the other one?

Edgy MD Feb 11 2019 11:27 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Gimenez.

Centerfield Feb 11 2019 11:30 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Gotcha. Some were saying Vientos has passed him.

smg58 Feb 11 2019 11:32 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

=nymr83 post_id=2730 time=1549901627 user_id=54] =smg58 post_id=2728 time=1549898106 user_id=62] His minor league tenure is comparable to Paul Goldschmidt's -- including significant concerns about his defense. Goldschmidt jumped AAA and hit .250/.333/.474 in 177 ABs, before following it with .286/.359/.490 line in his first full season. I'll go in between those numbers: .268/.346/.482 in 500 ABs, with 20 HR and 70 RBI.

He needs to hire Goldy's PR guys - because I thought he was considered a good defender!


He is now, but most definitely wasn't then. And the -6 runs saved in his first 300 innings didn't help. The fact that he is now regarded as a well above-average first baseman is grounds for optimism with Alonso, although he still has to go out there and do it.

Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 11 2019 12:23 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

I'm not on the Alonso bandwagon till he drives by my place and forces me into the vehicle like a demented Uber driver. 8 homers and 29 RBI, most after the ASB, 50 games. Remains a strong MiLB power hitter

seawolf17 Feb 11 2019 01:03 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

I want to say he'll be the 2019 ROY winner, but you just can't predict baseball, as they say. I think he'll get every chance to succeed, and he'll probably whack two dozen homers and play an adequate first base, before delivering a clutch game-winning triple in a late September game against the Marlins that makes everyone realize that you know what, he's quietly had a really great season and he *should* be the 2019 ROY winner after all.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 11 2019 01:39 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Defense? The DH is coming.

Edgy MD Feb 11 2019 02:13 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Not in 2019, apparently.

Centerfield Feb 11 2019 02:16 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

.244/.306/.508 31 HRs. Is slow and clumsy around 1B but catches most of what he gets to.

Frayed Knot Feb 11 2019 02:40 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

=smg58 post_id=2728 time=1549898106 user_id=62] His minor league tenure is comparable to Paul Goldschmidt's --

I hadn't thought of comparing those two.

PG (in the minors) = .317/.407/.620 over 1,387 PA

PA = .290/.381/.560 over 1,202 - so that's a virtually identical walk rate with a higher BA and power going to Goldschmidt although in western minor league locations so quite possibly under better hitting conditions

Goldschmidt came up with slightly more seasoning although Alonso already has more AB in upper minors (AA & AAA) and the two had both been college players and were playing their minor lg seasons at the same ages.



Goldschmidt seems to have been a bit of a late bloomer after being an 8th round pick from a lesser college program (Texas State) as compared to 2nd round and U of Florida

I guess we'll find out what kind of a bloomer Alonso is.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 21 2019 02:36 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: PETE Alonso!

Anthony DiComo wrote: First baseman Peter Alonso has informed the Mets he would prefer to go by Pete, effective immediately. It looks like you'll have to change the name of this thread! I remember noticing when I was a kid that athletes were always known by a diminutive version of their first name, but politicians always used their full first name. It seems to have started to switch around the time of Jimmy Carter and Richard Todd. Now, it's the other way around. If Michael Conforto was running for office, he'd be Mike Conforto, and if Mike Pence were a ballplayer he'd be Michael Pence. Pete Alonso is trying to reverse the trend. Or else, he's planning on running for Senator some day.

Frayed Knot Feb 21 2019 02:53 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Jimmy Carter was sworn in as 'Jimmy', rather than be James Earl even for a day. I guess you could write than off as a southern thing, but I'm sure there was also a lot of market research that went into it: friendly guy, common man, etc.

MFS62 Feb 21 2019 03:38 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

To me, Peter Alonso fits/ sounds better than Pete Alonso. My wife heard this on the radio and asked why anyone should make a big fuss about this or even care. I tried to explain that this is important because we're talking about a player on my favorite team, to no avail. Anyone who wants to come over to my house and explain to my wife why this is a matter worthy of discussion is more than welcome. Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 21 2019 03:46 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Well, I've done my part!

G-Fafif Feb 21 2019 06:18 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

Chase Bradford, Phil Evans and Dom Smith applaud Pete Alonso. Chasen Bradford, Phillip Evans and Dominic Smith back Peter Alonso.

Centerfield Feb 22 2019 07:28 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

Early reports are that his defense is much improved.

Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2019 11:06 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

'R' or not, I think he does reasonably well out of the gate. .250, 18/50 in a shortened season since they'll hold him down for a bit.

41Forever Feb 22 2019 10:12 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

=G-Fafif post_id=3270 time=1550798308 user_id=55] Chase Bradford, Phil Evans and Dom Smith applaud Pete Alonso. Chasen Bradford, Phillip Evans and Dominic Smith back Peter Alonso.

Tom Seaver might suggest Morgan Alonso would be the way to go!

Frayed Knot Feb 23 2019 05:33 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, I've done my part! And BB-Ref has joined you.

kcmets Feb 27 2019 09:20 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Not sure he goes north at first but kind of feel he'll lead the team in G's at first base this year (third in NL ROY voting).

Edgy MD Mar 27 2019 11:26 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Opening day roster party at my house, Pete-headz!

A Boy Named Seo Mar 27 2019 11:42 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Cool, Mets. So if they're doing this, they're doing this, right? Why keep him up if you're going to bench him against tough right-handers.... say, Max Scherzer, just off the top of my head.

Edgy MD Mar 27 2019 11:47 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Nah, I'm good if they hit opening day with Smith at first base. He's earned something this spring too. Alonso gets the vote of confidence of making the opening day roster, Smitty gets the vote of confidence in getting the opening day start. Wins all around. Alonso can soak it all in and start in game two. Nobody's going to get rusty if they each start six games in 10, with outfield appearances by Smitty and DH opportunities allowing them both that much time, along with pinch hitting and defensive subbing the other four days. As injuries and performance indicate, their roles will expand or contract. Hooray for everybody, you know?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2019 12:04 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

And if Alonso is struggling in May, for example, they can send him to Syracuse for two weeks to get himself right, and they'd also get that service time bonus that they would have had if he didn't go north with the club. This isn't a prediction, just a possibility.

Vic Sage Mar 27 2019 12:50 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

what's with the "batting 2nd" thing? I mean, i'm not big on batting order, beyond giving your best hitters the most ABs, but Pete is a RHed moose, with a lot of swing and miss in his game. That's like the complete OPPOSITE of what a #2 hitter usually looks like --LHed to block the catcher's view and throw, patient with good bat control, to hit&run or move leadoff hitter over or let him steal, and fast to stay out of DPs and score from 1st on xtra base hits by the middle of the order-- otherwise known as McNeil. And its not like Pete's PROVEN he's one of the team's best hitters, deserving of more ABs than McNeil (for example). Is breaking up the lineup with alternating LH/RH hitters more important than than putting the best guys in the best slots? Even with the "3-hitter rule" making that strategy less important? I don't know. I'm just asking. I mean, i won't lose sleep over it, but is this Calloway trying to look like he understands analytics?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2019 12:55 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

I don't think the three-hitter rule isn't in effect this year, is it? I think it's scheduled for 2020.

Vic Sage Mar 27 2019 12:58 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

ok, but still.

Valadius Mar 27 2019 01:50 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

It would appear that Alonso approves being called "Kong": [TWEET]https://twitter.com/Pete_Alonso20/status/1110990767705735169[/TWEET]

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 29 2019 01:20 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BattingStanceG/status/1122629422035562497[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Apr 29 2019 05:57 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Peter Alonso!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I'm not on the Alonso bandwagon till he drives by my place and forces me into the vehicle like a demented Uber driver. 8 homers and 29 RBI, most after the ASB, 50 games. Remains a strong MiLB power hitter Amazingly, he's surpassed the 8 homers before May 1, and the 29 RBI are within close reach also. Batting Stance Guy never fails.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2019 06:55 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

National League Rookie of the Month for April 2019. Mets Rookies of the Month I had missed Steven Matz's win in 2016 until now. I didn't even realize that Matz retained his rookie status in 2016, but I see that he only pitched 35 regular-season innings in 2015, and the cutoff is 50.

Edgy MD May 03 2019 07:06 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Good job. That's another honor that should be retroactively awarded for the years before it's establishment. April 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN May 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN June 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN July 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN August 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN September 1984 ROOKIE OF THE MONTH DWIGHT GOODEN

MFS62 May 03 2019 07:36 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Another winner might have been during his rookie of the year season (for everyone but the voters *), Ron Hunt. But I couldn't find his monthly stats. And what about Mike Vail for the shoulda' woulda' category? Later * = https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1963.shtml#all_NL_ROY_voting

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2019 08:28 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

And Seaver and Koosman and Matlack and Strawberry too, I'm sure.

Centerfield May 03 2019 08:47 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

It's funny what we keep track of and what we don't. I think 9 year old me would have found it odd that we give a "rookie of the month" award but no longer track GW RBIs. I imagine Keith is still kinda pissed that they no longer keep track of that stat. Imagine being awesome at it, setting a record, getting this card in its honor: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51NHJoMuihL.jpg> Thinking that it's something you can brag about, put on your HoF resume, then poof. The stat is gone.

seawolf17 May 03 2019 09:05 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

I wonder if someone, somewhere, still tracks it. The situation that creates the stat still exists, so it must be somewhere.

Frayed Knot May 03 2019 03:47 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

=Centerfield post_id=8999 time=1556894844 user_id=65]I imagine Keith is still kinda pissed that they no longer keep track of [GW-RBI]. Imagine being awesome at it, setting a record, getting this card in its honor ... Thinking that it's something you can brag about, put on your HoF resume, then poof. The stat is gone.

Keith himself acknowledged that it's was dubious stat even while he was in the midst of leading the sport in them; that by being on a good team with a pitching staff that rarely gave up early leads his 'Game Winners'

were often nothing more than 1st inning singles or Sac Flies which brought in a scampering Mookie or Wally. The whole invention of the stat was pretty much a misguided attempt to measure 'clutch' and the folks

that created them realized as much early on leading to its quick de-officialized status.

G-Fafif Jun 10 2019 10:22 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Kevin Armstrong offers 20 facts about Pete Alonso in the Times. No. 5 is kind of unfortunate. 5. He is a former Yankee. Alonso was raised in a house five miles from George M. Steinbrenner Field and played for the Yankees in the Tampa Bay Little League with Steinbrenner's grandson, Joe. After he won a title in 2002 at age 7, Alonso received a letter from the former Yankees manager Joe Torre congratulating Alonso for “upholding the reputation of our team.” Alonso framed it and hung it on his bedroom wall.

Edgy MD Jun 10 2019 10:45 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Joe Malloy was married to Steinbrenner's daughter, but I don't think they had a Joe, Jr. Maybe it's one of Hank's sons.

Lefty Specialist Aug 20 2019 11:40 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

Lefty Specialist wrote: 'R' or not, I think he does reasonably well out of the gate. .250, 18/50 in a shortened season since they'll hold him down for a bit. And this, my friends, is why I'm not a major-league GM.

41Forever Aug 20 2019 12:54 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete Alonso!

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: 'R' or not, I think he does reasonably well out of the gate. .250, 18/50 in a shortened season since they'll hold him down for a bit. And this, my friends, is why I'm not a major-league GM. LOL. I think we all swung and missed predicting Pete!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 20 2019 01:02 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

If I remember correctly, I said he'd have his 40th homer before August 20.

G-Fafif Sep 05 2019 12:00 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

SI on the Pete beat: https://amp.si.com/mlb/2019/09/05/pete-alonso-new-york-mets A little too much groping for ancient LOLMets but the actual Alonso stuff is sweet on Pete.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2019 02:32 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

https://www.sicovers.com/fantasy-baseball-degrom-2019-february-28 Wow! Jake deGrom made the cover of SI this year and I just found out. That's how much interest I've lost in that mag. I'd swear that when I was a little boy, my life revolved around SI. I was hoping Alonso's piece was the cover story but I knew otherwise right away because FAFIF would've said so if Pete made the cover. He'd deserve it, too.

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2019 02:41 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=21013 time=1567715533 user_id=68]I was hoping Alonso's piece was the cover story ...

Yeah, a baseball cover from SI in September. That's a good one!

They'll be lucky to get one (and only one) in October.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2019 03:22 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Frayed Knot wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=21013 time=1567715533 user_id=68]I was hoping Alonso's piece was the cover story ... Yeah, a baseball cover from SI in September. That's a good one! They'll be lucky to get one (and only one) in October.

I know. Football season. Even so, the Mets probably dragged xow. his chances as well.

G-Fafif Sep 05 2019 07:04 PM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Pete media day... https://theathletic.com/1175889/2019/09/05/the-goofy-kid-who-diesels-baseball-stories-of-how-pete-alonso-became-pete-alonso/

Benjamin Grimm Sep 10 2019 09:06 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

So is he an absolute shoo-in for Rookie of the Year, or is there some other candidate out there that I'm not aware of who has a decent shot?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2019 09:20 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So is he an absolute shoo-in for Rookie of the Year, or is there some other candidate out there that I'm not aware of who has a decent shot? NL Rookie of the Year 1. Pete Alonso, Mets 2. Mike Soroka, Braves 3. Fernando Tatis Jr., Padres Tatis moves down as Soroka continues his pretty incredible run atop the Braves rotation. The second-best ERA in the National League, a top-five WAR among NL pitchers and his importance to a team running away with its division all combine to move him ahead of the phenom who won't play again this season. Alonso is winning this award, though, as we've said through nearly every update. The young slugger leads the baseball in home runs, along with a top five offensive WAR and top seven OPS in the National League. Even as a first baseman, he's just barely outside the top 10 in overall WAR in the NL. With Tatis down for the count, Alonso is a stone cold lock. The rest is just window dressing. Voters are polled every week. Alonso's pulled away in these polls only very recently. Soroka was a Cy Young candidate for most of the season. BTW, this piece has Jake deGrom winning the Cy. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/evaluating-state-2019-mlb-awards-races-september-update

MFS62 Sep 10 2019 07:46 PM Re: Nineteen Notions: Peter Alonso

=MFS62 post_id=2724 time=1549895334 user_id=60] Stick him at first base and leave him there - for 15 years.

Now I'm gonna' hafta' wait another 14 years to see if my prediction comes true.

Later

Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2019 03:56 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Not necessarily. It could fail to come true much sooner than that.

MFS62 Sep 11 2019 04:58 AM Re: Hey Nineteen: Pete(r) Alonso!

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Not necessarily. It could fail to come true much sooner than that. Unless he can be replaced with someone better, I cringe at that thought. Anyhow, I'd like to be around here (or anywhere else) in fifteen years just to find out. Later