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IGT 4/5/06 - Young Mr. Bannister Debuts vs. The Nationals

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:13 PM

One batter - one out.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:15 PM

Followed up by his first Major League strikeout.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:17 PM

And a flyout to Nady completes Mr. Bannister's 1-2-3 first inning.

metirish Apr 05 2006 07:17 PM

Looking good early.

TheOldMole Apr 05 2006 07:18 PM

Couldn't ask for better. Nice in the field too.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:22 PM

Great at-bat for Reyes - a single in a 10-pitch at-bat.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 07:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 07:25 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Great at-bat for Reyes - a single in a 10-pitch at-bat. No kidding. Great showing by Reyes. Nice to see this early in the season. First steal too. :)

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:25 PM

And he proceeds to steal second.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:26 PM

LoDuca draws the walk.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 07:26 PM

Eddie C. predicting bunt...but Beltran strikes out. The boo-birds really need to STFU.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:28 PM

Beltran strikes out, to a chorus of Boo Birds. MK is offended at the booing. Rightfully so!

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:30 PM

Delgado also strikes out :( Mr. Wright is at the plate.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:31 PM

an RBI single for Mr. Wright! Woo-Hoo!

metirish Apr 05 2006 07:33 PM

Can someone tell Keith that the Mets played Monday and not yesterday.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:33 PM

Mr. Wright steals second.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:36 PM

Cliff strikes out, apologizing to lubitul on his way back to the dugout. 1-0 Mets after an inning.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 07:38 PM

A fine first inning by Bannister there. Pitches looked pretty good and he threw strikes when he needed to. Reyes looked like a seasoned pro out there. Last year, when he took pitches, I had the feeling he had decided to take the pitch before it was thrown. Didn't get that impression at all today. Wright's a monster. Love that kid.

GYC Apr 05 2006 07:38 PM

I want David Wright's babies.

metirish Apr 05 2006 07:41 PM

Apparently he drilled Soriano, we didn't see it though.....to much talking going on.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 07:42 PM

metirish wrote: Apparently he drilled Soriano, we didn't see it though.....to much talking going on. According to the radio broadcast, turned his head and it clipped him in the earflap.

metirish Apr 05 2006 07:43 PM

On the TV replay it was more than a clip, right on the ear flap.

MiniKnight Apr 05 2006 07:50 PM

Yay! Patterson's not a good hittting pitcher! ours had a 1.000 average yesterday. Hah!

GYC Apr 05 2006 07:50 PM

Bannister gets out of a 2nd and 3rd with no outs jam

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 07:51 PM

Ka-Boom for Nady!

GYC Apr 05 2006 07:52 PM

Cameron who?

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 07:52 PM

Nady!

metirish Apr 05 2006 07:52 PM

Nady goes

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 07:52 PM

Wow. I didn't think Bannister would get out of that. And how about a little for our 5-5 boy, Nady!!!

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 07:57 PM

Patterson's on pace for 27 Ks on 221 pitches. Oh, and he loses 9-0, too.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 07:57 PM

Scarlet, that's amazing. I'm embarassed for my little Kaboom! now!

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:00 PM

Thanks Rotblatt - it's a variation on something that I had to do for school. Bannister walks Watson, but LoDuca catches him stealing for the first out of the inning!

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 08:00 PM

LoDuca erases the leadoff walk, catching Watson stealing.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:03 PM

And with a strikeout, Young Mr. Bannister ends the top of the 3rd.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:03 PM

And Bannister back to looking sharp. Dropped a nice hook on Guillen for his 3rd K.

GYC Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM

Of the cat!

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM

Damn yeah Delgado..a huge homer...

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM

KABOOM!

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM

And a 2-run Ka-Boom for Delgado!

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:13 PM

OH MY GOD he just crushed that!

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:14 PM

And a curtain call...nice one.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:14 PM

We're certainly not sparing the kabooms today, are we?

GYC Apr 05 2006 08:15 PM

David Wright only grounds out to even the level of competition.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:15 PM

We've waited since October to post Ka-Booms!

GYC Apr 05 2006 08:18 PM

75 pitches for Patterson and the 3rd isn't even over yet.

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:21 PM

Screw you Nady, you made an out.....

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:22 PM

Cliff with a nice at bat, draws a walk. Cliff steals second on a 3-1 cream puff to Nady. Nady lines one to third and Zimmerman picks it off. 4-0 Mets going into the top of the 4th.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:22 PM

metirish wrote: Screw you Nady, you made an out..... Yeah! BOOOOOOOO!

Elster88 Apr 05 2006 08:24 PM

I love baseball.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:28 PM

Young Mr. Bannister has a 1-2-3 top of the 4th.

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:29 PM

Bannister is throwing a ....oh forget I had that thought.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:30 PM

Bannister with another 1-2-3 inning. 4 IP, 3 BB, 3 K Not bad.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:30 PM

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 08:31 PM

WIth 64 pitches through 4 on his first big league start, they're not going to leave him out there for 9.

TransMonk Apr 05 2006 08:32 PM

Looks like Willie lifted the ban on facial hair as most of the lineup has what looks like 3 day growth around their mouths...either that, or they fought over a box of Jello pudding pops in the clubhouse. I'm glad...I hate that rule.

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:35 PM

Wille should ban Keith from wearing that coat with the fur collar.

MiniKnight Apr 05 2006 08:43 PM

Keith said Rauch looks like a wookie! LOL!

mlbaseballtalk Apr 05 2006 08:46 PM

Should I be scared of the fact that my first thought was of Bob Rauch when I heard the name?

Iubitul Apr 05 2006 08:51 PM

Gary is saying it with every out.....

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:53 PM

And it is now a non-issue. Again.

vtmet Apr 05 2006 08:54 PM

well, the SNY guys made sure they jinxed the no hitter...Vidro ends it...

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 08:55 PM

6990, and counting...

vtmet Apr 05 2006 08:55 PM

If you were to throw a no-hitter, but you drill 2 batters...is it still a no-hitter, or is a 2-hitter?

metirish Apr 05 2006 08:57 PM

Johnson hits a three run homer, 4 to 3 Mets, this is a test for Brian, is he rattled?

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 08:57 PM

Crap! Nick fucking Johnson hits a 3-run homer, and the Mets lead is down to 4-3.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 08:58 PM

Soriano pops out. He needs one more to finish what is still a pretty good ML debut.

metirish Apr 05 2006 09:02 PM

I like that Willie let him finish that inning, or that hitter at least.....

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 09:03 PM

Bannister strikes out Clayton to end the 6th.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:05 PM

A fine debut. As much as we could possibly have asked of him. You've got to figure the control issues were due to it being his first start and all--he was very precise in the minors. Once he settles down a bit, we can expect him to do a little better. I suspect batters will figure him out the second time around, but that was pretty promising work.

GYC Apr 05 2006 09:11 PM

And it's like 30 degrees. I don't like making excuses, but impressive debut nonetheless.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 09:12 PM

For those with TV: what's up with the umpires / talking to the dugouts?

Beenso Apr 05 2006 09:16 PM

sny commercials are embarassing. ugh

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 09:17 PM

Keith Hernandez shouldn't be so obsessed with Duaner Sanchez's pants.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 09:21 PM

Stanton is pitching for Washington. I hate him. Not hat. Hate!

GYC Apr 05 2006 09:22 PM

Beenso wrote: sny commercials are embarassing. ugh I laugh everytime I see them.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:33 PM

Briging back Heilman after he went two innings in game one. I guess he's not starting any time soon.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:34 PM

He whiffs Johnson with Guillen on first. Veddy nice. Johnson strikes me as exactly the type of batter Heilman would have trouble with.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 09:36 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 09:39 PM

IMO, Darren Oliver on the roster seems to indicate that even if a starter's needed, Aaron's in the pen. I wonder if Aaron going back out tonight (after 2 innings Mon.) in this spot is a Willie/Peterson thing to build confidence/favorable opinion/etc. for Heilman in his bullpen role. I was thinking we'd have seen Julio in this inning. Edit: spelling/grammar.

Elster88 Apr 05 2006 09:37 PM

HOLY SHIT. CATCH OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!!

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 09:38 PM

Anderson Hernandez makes an amazing diving catch to end the 8th, then gives us alll heart attacks by not getting up for several minutes. But it looks like he just had the wind knocked out of him, thankfully!

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:39 PM

I love the play to put Heilman in there. I was worried that Willie would misuse him in the pen, but Willie clearly learned his lesson last year. And Aaron gets Byrd to pop up, ending the inning. 3 outs away from Bannister's first career win.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 09:39 PM

Gwreck wrote: I was thinking we'd have seen Julio in this inning. maybe if the lead was still 4 runs. I'd never want to trust Julio with a 1-run lead.

metirish Apr 05 2006 09:39 PM

]HOLY SHIT. CATCH OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!! Has to be...AMAZIN.

TheOldMole Apr 05 2006 09:40 PM

I do like to see Aaron coming in in the late innings.

GYC Apr 05 2006 09:40 PM

One of the best catches I've ever seen. AMAZING.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:41 PM

The eighth ends for the Nats. Let's get some insurance wit a rally song. "I saw it officer, it looked prehistoric ..." There's a monster in my pants And it does a nasty dance When it moves in and out Everybody starts to shout "Monster, aaaah! Monster, aaaah! Get outta here monster! Monster! Monster! Get outta here monster!" There's a monster in my pants And It does a nasty dance When it sees the light of day You can here the people say "Oh no, a monster! Oh no, a monster! Oh no, oh no, oh no a giant monster Monster! Monster! Oh no, a giant monster!" "Shut the window, bolt the door! Don't wanna see that monster no more!" There's a monster in my pants And it does a modern dance When it comes into a room People hit it with a broom "Take that monster! Take that monster! Take it! Take it! Take that you awful thing! Take that aaah! Take that aaah! Take it! Take it! Take that you naughty thing!" And they don't wear pants on the other side of France But they do wear fleece to protect them from the beasts "Monster! Monster! Oh gee, a great big monster!" There's a monster on the run And it wants to have have some fun When it flies hup in the air All the people stop and stare The guys give a yell And the girls start to shriek When they see its giant claws And its razor-sharp beak Gosh would you look at that thing And I thought dinosaurs were extinct "Aaaaah!"

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 09:45 PM

Stupid, stupid fans. You don't boo after a battling, 10-pitch at bat. This needs to stop.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:45 PM

]I was worried that Willie would misuse him in the pen, but Willie clearly learned his lesson last year. Yeah, I remember that. You and me, we fought. Chairs were splintered, glass broken. Good times.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:47 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, I remember that. You and me, we fought. Chairs were splintered, glass broken. Good times. Good times.

Elster88 Apr 05 2006 09:47 PM

irish, finish your Met predictions. Same goes for anyone else. Vic, OldMole, let's go already. Locked after today, right?

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:48 PM

]Stupid, stupid fans. You don't boo after a battling, 10-pitch at bat. This needs to stop. What's to be done? I'd like it if Delgado and/or somebody unimpeachable like Wright said something like "No, I'm not coming out for any curtain calls until they stop booing my teammate." But I don't see that working. It certainly wouldn't work unless Wright took the lead. If Delgado or Willie takes the lead it's colored folk against a sea of bloodthisty whiteys. Besides, Beltran's going deep as soon as Martinez takes the mound.

GYC Apr 05 2006 09:49 PM

Enter Sandman.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:51 PM

"Hello. My name is Gary Majewski. You killed my father. Prepare to die.* *Last year's cracks today!

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:51 PM

So my girlfriend came home, and since Veronica Mars was on, I missed the catch. sigh. I guess that's what replays are for, huh?

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:52 PM

Why is Wagner 3-0 on Zimmerman?

metirish Apr 05 2006 09:52 PM

WOW.....Holy Shit....

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 09:52 PM

Wagner sucks! Why can't anyone close in Queens?

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 09:53 PM

Sandman ain't showin' up.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 09:53 PM

FuckShit! Zimmerman's homer off of Wagner ties the game :(

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:53 PM

Motherfucker.

Gwreck Apr 05 2006 09:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote: What's to be done? I'd like it if Delgado and/or somebody unimpeachable like Wright said something like "No, I'm not coming out for any curtain calls until they stop booing my teammate." I like that idea, actually. ]Besides, Beltran's going deep as soon as Martinez takes the mound. Good point. I think Beltran will get it going soon. I just hope that nobody thinks the boos make him hit.

cleonjones11 Apr 05 2006 09:54 PM

Chane the Sandman song NOW! Where's Braden Looper..Beltran on my nerves already too

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:55 PM

Clayton grounds out for the first out. Any chance Wagner was throwing Floyd a bone?

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 09:55 PM

Looper.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 09:56 PM

Schneider grounds out to first.

cleonjones11 Apr 05 2006 09:57 PM

Did Jesse Orosco stay overnight? Major league minimum salary Wagner..change the song!

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:01 PM

Floyd gets a mere single with his bone.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 10:04 PM

Andy Handy gets the ladder climbed on him --- whiffs on three pitches. Good time to break a record, Julio.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:04 PM

C'mon Grampa!

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:06 PM

Who? Hooooooooooooooooo-leee-oooo!

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:06 PM

Grandpa pulls a righthander for a single. That's something. C'mon, Grandson!

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:07 PM

It strikes me that if the Mets don't win it here, it'll be two Chads matched up on the mound.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:07 PM

Don't need a homer Jose, a single will do.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:08 PM

Bases drunk. Bring someone home Duke.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:09 PM

Settle for a walk. Lo Duca, I'll take anything -- HbP, Catcher's interference. Anything you got.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:11 PM

Shiskabobs. Free baseball everyone.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:11 PM

Gummit! Get me Piazza on line one.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:12 PM

Well hit liner into right--but right at Guillen. Into the 10th. I'm not optimistic with Julio pitching.

Iubitul Apr 05 2006 10:14 PM

I can't handle 160 more games like this...

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:14 PM

Closer schmozer. He kept the Mets from scoring. (I'm talking to the TV).

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:17 PM

The Mets are currently ahead in the Julio/Benson Trade Tracker.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 05 2006 10:18 PM

Exit Sandman.

The Big O Apr 05 2006 10:21 PM

Ah, crap.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:21 PM

Floyd can't reach Guillen's shot before it clears the wall for a 2-run homer :(

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:21 PM

The Mets are currently behind in the Julio/Benson Trade Tracker.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:22 PM

Fuxshiat.

metirish Apr 05 2006 10:22 PM

I hate this shit.....

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:22 PM

Bah. I forgot how much I hate it when we lose.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:23 PM

Piazza would have had that.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:23 PM

And now the defense is just going to pot.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:23 PM

And apparently, the players don't like it either. A series of ugly brain farts here.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 10:24 PM

Julio sucks, there is no reason this piece of shit should ever pitch a meaningful inning.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:24 PM

LoDuca's superior defense is now in question.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:25 PM

In retrospect, we should've brought Bradford in after Vidro reached. Julio's a flyball pitcher; Bradford a ground ball guy, and we needed the ground ball.

GYC Apr 05 2006 10:26 PM

Cut Julio now. Walk to the mound, tell him he is off the team, not just off the mound.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:26 PM

8-4 Washington. This got real ugly real quickly. Can't blame Julio on all of it--our defense laid down and died.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:26 PM

In forespect also.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:26 PM

It's these times you wish you had the WBC mercy rule.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:28 PM

It just gets fuglier and fuglier. 9-4 now.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:28 PM

And NOW I agree with GYC.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:28 PM

Julio leaves to a chorus of Boo-Birds. Chad Bradford comes in to replace him.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 05 2006 10:30 PM

Let that be the FINAL pitch Julio throws in a Met uni!

abogdan Apr 05 2006 10:31 PM

Bradford had a nice outing.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:33 PM

In order to win, Cliff will have to hit a grand slam. Then Nady & Hernandez will have to follow with home runs. Also in retro/forespect, we should have pinch hit for Hernandez.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 10:33 PM

]Let that be the FINAL pitch Julio throws in a Met uni! Not going to happen so I think we need new hopes. I think I did just hear the sound of Bradford passing him on the depth chart.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 05 2006 10:33 PM

I'm going to bed. If somebody wants to start the Schaefer POTG thread when this thing ends, please feel free!

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:34 PM

Five sluggers in a row coming up. Mets down by five.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:37 PM

All you suckas that went to bed with Yancy just missed a walk by Beltran. Hah!

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 10:38 PM

="Edgy DC"] ]Let that be the FINAL pitch Julio throws in a Met uni! Not going to happen so I think we need new hopes. I think I did just hear the sound of Bradford passing him on the depth chart. it is my hope that Bradford AND Bell will pass Julio by month's end and for good.

mlbaseballtalk Apr 05 2006 10:41 PM

="Edgy DC"] ]Let that be the FINAL pitch Julio throws in a Met uni! Not going to happen so I think we need new hopes. I think I did just hear the sound of Bradford passing him on the depth chart. Yeah, considering how long we've stuck it out with Zambrano...

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:42 PM

Adn a single by Delgado. Suckazzzz!

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:42 PM

OK, so that flyout by Wright wasn't so good.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:43 PM

Cliff has one last chance to hit a birthday home run for lubitul.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:44 PM

And he doesn't do it :(

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:44 PM

Oh, my stars. Popout by Cliff Floyd.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 10:44 PM

I don't like Floyd swinging without a strike on him with this score.

The Big O Apr 05 2006 10:45 PM

On the bright side, anybody else you'd rather have up in this situation than the X-Man?

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:47 PM

A balk brings Beltran home and moves Delgado to second.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:47 PM

A balk advances the runners, Mets within four.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 05 2006 10:47 PM

X-Man grounds out to end the game. Damn.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 10:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 10:54 PM

And Nady ends it. Night.

Willets Point Apr 05 2006 10:48 PM

April baseball. Blagh. The Mets lose.

Rotblatt Apr 05 2006 10:48 PM

Baseball sucks. I can't wait til November.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2006 10:58 PM

We've all seen the strength of schedule, this isn't the kind of game we can afford to lose (one in which we led 4-0 after 3 and 4-3 after 8), it's going to be another long summer if the Mets don't fatten up on the April schedule.

KC Apr 05 2006 11:02 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2006 11:05 PM

I agree, can't lose a game when you're up 4-sniffle late - 9-5.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 05 2006 11:05 PM

Anderson Hernandez provided one of the best plays I've ever seen tonight but he looks just dreadful at the plate.

Frayed Knot Apr 05 2006 11:15 PM

What's he now, about 1 for 26 in the majors? And I'm not sure if he's gotten the ball out of the infield in more than 2 or 3 of those 26 ABs. Hell, his hit barely made it out. Not suggesting that his trial is up already ... just that Met fans shouldn't root too hard for Matsui's knee problem to develop massive complications.

Edgy DC Apr 05 2006 11:19 PM

And perhaps we should should further root for Jorge Julio posting many nights in which he excels much further than this evening. And for any usurpers to unseat that.

Zvon Apr 06 2006 12:10 AM

Ouch! This one hurt. I guess Wags will have his share if blows, but spoilin Bannisters debut bites.

martin Apr 06 2006 12:46 AM

just got back from the game. it went from terrific to terrible pretty quick. the extra inning was hard to watch, especially considering it was freaking freezing. and this cat julio, i am not enthused. and what is up with wagner? the shea gun had him topping out around 93. i have never seen triple digits in person, i hope wagner can show me what it looks like sometime this season.

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 04:31 AM

KAZ MATSUI SUCKS!!!! PUT ANDERSON HERNANDEZ IN THERE!!! THE GRASS IS GREENER!!! I get to say ITYS about Anderson Hernandez and regarding Jorge Julio for Anna Benson. 'Course it's only been 2 ames. Hopefully I'll be eating my words before long 2006 is, so far, better than 2005. I didn't break my TV until game 2 this year.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 07:11 AM

The loss felt a lot like last year, IMO. Not the blown-save part (I'm OK with that -- it happens) but that they stuck the bats up their asses for most of the game. BTW, that was an impressive shot from Zimmerman off Wagner. He killed it!

Rotblatt Apr 06 2006 07:16 AM

Hernandez definitely looks lost at the plate. If WIllie wants to go defense first, fine, but at least be willing to pinch hit for him when it's late and close and we've got a runner on.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 08:05 AM

Last night's play afield and abat has me wondering if, come August, he's not Matsui's replacement or Matsui's platoon partner, but maybe Matsui's defensive sub. One game, of course, but just wondering. Seems to me they had the DC pitching staff on the ropes and could have put the game a little further out of reach. Wagner blew his first save and boo-hoo, but let's give him more leads out of the reach of a solo homer.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 08:09 AM

Lesson to young Mr. Bannister. With a four-run pad, be willing to risk a one-run single in order to avoid a three-run homer.

MFS62 Apr 06 2006 08:16 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Lesson to young Mr. Bannister. With a four-run pad, be willing to risk a one-run single in order to avoid a three-run homer. His dad should have told him that. Did anyone hear the WFAN interview with Brian's dad before the game? I just caught the end of it. What did he say? LAter

Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 09:05 AM

Floyd Bannister was also interviewed from his seat at Shea during the game on SNY. Talked about how Brian was originally an infielder, and a good hitter, but when he got to a higher level his lack of foot speed made him turn his sights toward pitching.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 09:10 AM

Also, it turns out I wasn't screwed by Comcast on Monday afternoon, but by ESPN. MLB Extra Innings wanted to telecast the game, but ESPN forced the blackout, but then they decided not to air the game, but basketball news instead. I asked ESPN for an explanation, but they haven't gotten back to me. (And I doubt that they will.) Last night was the first time since 1997, when WWOR got out of the superstation game, that I was able to watch a Mets telecast on TV with Mets announcers. (I was able to do it on my PC last year with MLB.com.) Very cool. I felt like I was back in New York, which is always a nice feeling. The strangest part was when they turned the camera inward towards the booth. I'm not referring to Keith's furry lapels, which were pretty darn strange in their own right, but to Gary Cohen. It was weird seeing such a familiar voice coming from an unfamiliar face. I had seen photos of Gary Cohen, but he looked different as a moving image on the screen.

soupcan Apr 06 2006 09:11 AM

A suck-ass game but as has been said - blown saves happen. Still and all they should've pulled that one out. A win today and they take the series though. So I'm watching the game last night in the kitchen and I'm standing in front of the TV (it's on the counter), my wife walks in as Hernandez is going back on the ball, she opens her mouth to say something just as Hernandez reaches full extension and grabs the ball - I go 'WOW!' and she nearly jumped out of her skin. She starts yelling at me for scaring her and all the while I'm trying to see if he held onto the ball, if he's okay, etc., etc. I'm saying 'Oh my god did you see that?!' and she couldn't have cared less. She's now yelling at me for scaring her and I'm yelling at her to watch the replay so she'll understand why I yelled in the first place. So the rest of last night and this morning we're not speaking to one another. Thanks Anderson.

cooby Apr 06 2006 09:16 AM

You have to stand in the kitchen to watch the game?

soupcan Apr 06 2006 09:19 AM

Got home late, was eating dinner.

cooby Apr 06 2006 09:20 AM

I guess now that I think of it, if I had a tv in my kitchen, and it carried the Mets, I would watch there too.

metirish Apr 06 2006 09:21 AM

So yesterday I get home to catch the end of M&MD, Russo is jawing about how Wagner had better not blow any games while I guess using the song, he'll have a field day today, and for all the talk about Hernandez looking lost at the plate how about Beltran, at least we know Anderson is playing foir his defence...cut him some slack.

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 09:23 AM

I like Anderson's defense. I only rip into him to snub the peeps who just [u:dd1e18518a]knew[/u:dd1e18518a] that Omar and Willie were retarded for not playing him over Kaz. I also like that he has two last names.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 09:32 AM

Wagner didn't use the song. He used his arm and the pitches he had in it.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 10:02 AM

From Mary Noble's game notes: "We may not see him (Julio) [in a game] for a while," one Met said. "They want to get him fixed."

Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 10:03 AM

Ouch. Give up a few runs and you get neutered. Sheesh!

MFS62 Apr 06 2006 10:05 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Ouch. Give up a few runs and you get neutered. Sheesh! Many Mets fans would gladly donate a rusty can opener for the task. Later

Bret Sabermetric Apr 06 2006 10:06 AM

GEE WHIZ it was horrible, awful, Mike, that that that that that Wagner guy comes in with Mariano's tune playing and gives up that home run. I mean, come on, you can't do that. You simply can't do that. That is a thing that, I don;t know how to say this, you simply can't do. Gee Whiz if you're going to march in there with Enter Sandman, for crying out loud, you got to get a save. Got to. Not fair to Mariano if you don.t Must get a save. Have to. I don't understand how you walk in to that song and then you blow the save. You can't do that. You simply cannot do that. Can't do that, that's all there is to it. No way. Gee Whiz.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 10:08 AM

The broader thesis is that they worry that he didn't get enough spring, didn't get enough Peterson: ]NEW YORK -- Ideally, defeats don't linger or fester in the minds of the relief pitchers responsible for them. More than their teammates, relievers need to forget. And the best way to accomplish amnesia is to pitch again -- soon. That may not be achieved easily by Jorge Julio, who emerged from his first appearance with the Mets sporting a 27.00 ERA, a loss and a reminder of how it was for him in the American League. The former Orioles closer surrendered a home run to Jose Guillen in the 10th inning Wednesday, and he then allowed three more runs -- albeit unearned -- that essentially closed out the Mets' 9-5 loss. Chances are Julio won't be summoned in a tight situation Thursday when the Mets and Nationals play the final game of their three-game series. "We may not see him [in a game] for a while," one Met said. "They want to get him fixed." Suddenly, the time Julio lost to the World Baseball Classic during Spring Training is an issue. The time not spent with pitching coach Rick Peterson in Port St. Lucie has become lamentable. Uncertainty about Julio played a role in the club's decision to assign Aaron Heilman to the bullpen. And the home run didn't help matters. Julio has been undone by home runs in the last three seasons. He has pitched 202 innings in relief -- which is a good amount for a starter in one season -- since the beginning of the 2003 season, and he has surrendered 36 home runs -- a lot for 200-plus innings. Braden Looper had trouble with the long ball in his time with the Mets, but he surrendered merely 16 home runs over 223 1/3 innings in his two seasons with the Mets and his last one with the Marlins. Julio's rate of one home run per 21.7 at-bats in the three-plus seasons is one of the 10 highest ratios among Major League pitchers who have thrown at least 200 innings over that period. Noble, despite Gotham Baseball's contention that he's in bed with the boss, is well on record as disliking the Benson/Julio trade.

metirish Apr 06 2006 10:13 AM

Bret that's exactly how Russo will sound today, good stuff.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 10:16 AM

The Benson/Julio trade was just awful. I have little hope that Julio will ever be a positive contributor. (And I was saying that well before last night's game, so I'm not being reactionary here.) There are only two ways this trade will turn out well: 1. They spend the money saved on Benson on somebody good. (But we'll never know this for a certainty. We can't really follow the money.) 2. John Maine becomes a productive big league pitcher for the Mets. If Julio keeps on sucking, the Mets have to cut bait. It's okay with me if they do it in a CYA mode. (Amplify a minor ailment into an injury, send him to Norfolk for rehab. Then you either cut him loose from AAA or bring him back in September for mop-up duty after the rosters expand.)

Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 10:19 AM

Heath Bell! (clap! clap!) Heath Bell! (clap! clap!) Heath Bell! (clap! clap!)

metirish Apr 06 2006 10:20 AM

Do we have anyone following the Benson/Julio trade?....

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 10:21 AM

]That is a thing that, I don;t know how to say this, you simply can't do. LOL

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 10:26 AM

Strange tthings happen. We'll see. The thing is that in Noble's mailbag, angry peeps write him all the time about trades they don't like (pretty much all of them, save for Delgado, this offseason). Noble will try and explain the Mets thinking (based on his sources and observation) as well as his opinion. The former is enlighening, even when he doesn't particularly support a move --- such as learning that the Mets were looking for a guy who could slot in in right field or at first base when they got Nady, because they were expecting to land a big batsman for one of those two positions. The Julio trade, he had trouble even sketching out the Mets position.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 10:30 AM

Rockin' Doc has the Benson-Julio/Maine trade. Others remain available, including gorgeous pre-Minaya trades that are still active.

metsmarathon Apr 06 2006 10:42 AM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: GEE WHIZ it was horrible, awful, Mike, that that that that that Wagner guy comes in with Mariano's tune playing and gives up that home run. I mean, come on, you can't do that. You simply can't do that. That is a thing that, I don;t know how to say this, you simply can't do. Gee Whiz if you're going to march in there with Enter Sandman, for crying out loud, you got to get a save. Got to. Not fair to Mariano if you don.t Must get a save. Have to. I don't understand how you walk in to that song and then you blow the save. You can't do that. You simply cannot do that. Can't do that, that's all there is to it. No way. Gee Whiz. you left out "That's a bad job outta Wagner"

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 10:43 AM

I hope you are all not figuring out how awful the Benson-Julio deal was just now??? Even if Maine becomes a good pitcher down the road, we need Benson NOW!!!

Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 10:52 AM

They didn't parlay that activity into the big Victor Diaz + ?? = Stud Starter trade I was sure they'd make. Yeah, dumb dumb dumb.

Rotblatt Apr 06 2006 11:08 AM

I was kind of "meh" on Benson, but we shoulda coulda gotten more than Julio for him. I'm way down on Julio, although I DO think he's got some upside. I would much rather have seen Bell in that spot. He may have given up a run, but I don't think he would have imploded like Julio did. Some peeps who got lost in the meltdown yesterday--Jose Reyes, with 2 great at bats culminating in a single and a walk, and skipper Willie Randolph. Yes, he probably should have pinch hit for Hernandez and have yanked Julio sooner and maybe he shoulda double-switched Wagner (Wagner in for LoDuca; Castro in for Julio), BUT he also left Bannister in there to finish the 6th (good call) and used Sanchez & Heilman appropriately. Bradford sucks royally against lefties, so Willie's only real options from the pen for the 10th were pretty much between Julio & Oliver. Given that choice, I think you HAVE to go to Julio. If there's a runner on base after Vidro, maybe you go to Bradford to try to get Guillen to ground into a double play, then bring Oliver in there to face Johnson if Bradford fails. Then, of course, you're stuck with Oliver until the game's over. Tough calls in the 10th. Our bullpen at the moment is 3-deep, followed by a decent ROOGY and a replacement-level long man. That ain't bad, but it got hella exposed last night. Of course, if our vaunted offense did its job, we wouldn't have to worry about these close games as much. I'm interested in what Willie does in the future. I expect him to pinch hit for Hernandez when it's close & late until Hernandez starts hitting. I expect Julio won't see a close game until he's had a few solid outings under his belt. But will Willie double switch Wagner in there in one-run games? Will he have a shorter hook with relievers NOT named Sanchez, Heilman or Wagner?

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 11:10 AM

]Jose Reyes, with 2 great at bats culminating in a single and a walk, If you're thinking of the walk in the ninth, it wasn't that great an at-bat, IMHO. Swung at a ball in the dirt, then let 4 pitches go for balls.

DocTee Apr 06 2006 11:21 AM

]I'm interested in what Willie does in the future. I expect him to pinch hit for Hernandez when it's close & late until Hernandez starts hitting. I'd prefer to see Hernandez stay on the bench in favor of a more accomplished hitter (Jeff Keppinger, anyone??), and then enter games late as a defensive replacement.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 11:52 AM

Do you think Jose Valentin is on the depth chart at second? He seems pretty redundant to me.

metirish Apr 06 2006 11:55 AM

I'm amazed that people are so willing to dump Hernandez so quickly, Rick Down will earn your money with this kid, he looks an awful lot like Reyes at the plate when he first came up, anyway one of Willies strengths as a manager is that he sticks with his guys.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 12:00 PM

DocTee wrote: I'd prefer to see Hernandez stay on the bench in favor of a more accomplished hitter (Jeff Keppinger, anyone??), and then enter games late as a defensive replacement. I like that idea too. But I'm willing to wait a little while to see if Hernandez can get his bat started. He was productive last year at AAA. He ought to get a chance to see how much of that he can replicate in the big leagues.

Frayed Knot Apr 06 2006 12:22 PM

"I'm amazed that people are so willing to dump Hernandez so quickly," As opposed to Julio? He's at least had some ML success in his career. Andy-Handy has barely had any in the minors. "Rick Down will earn your money with this kid, he looks an awful lot like Reyes at the plate when he first came up," Obviously they're both quick, skinny-ish Latins w/good hands, but I don't see any similarities at the plate. Certainly their track records leading up to this point aren't even close. "anyway one of Willies strengths as a manager is that he sticks with his guys." That's either good or bad depending on your opinion of who he's sticking with.

TheOldMole Apr 06 2006 12:40 PM

If you draw a walk to load the bases in the 9th, especially if you're the leadoff guy, it's a good at-bat. Less good if you're the cleanup guy.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 01:02 PM

Closers also spitting up last night --- Flash Gordon (in a tie game) and Jonathan Papelbon (Keith Foulke's replacement for Boston).

metirish Apr 06 2006 01:13 PM

]As opposed to Julio? He's at least had some ML success in his career. Andy-Handy has barely had any in the minors. I never mentioned Julio.

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 02:46 PM

Why, oh why, did nobody mention this? Queensryche singer appreciates babeball Queensryche frontman Geoff Tate gave a different kind of performance last night (Wednesday, April 5th). While in New York City promoting the band's new album Operation: Mindcrime II, which came out Tuesday (April 4th), he went to Shea Stadium to do the national anthem before the hometown Mets took on the visiting Washington Nationals. Tate played baseball as a kid, and he told usthat he still enjoys the game, even if it's not his main sport these days: "I'm really a sailor. I have a, a vintage yacht, and spend a lot of money, and time, and energy restoring it, and racing it around the Seattle area. That's kind of my, my main sport. But I like baseball, and I like the history of baseball, you know? The game has been with us, you know, for so long, and so many great players have come through, and it's changed a little, but not so much. You know, it's still basically the same game, and I, I like that aspect of it." The band will play a week's worth of shows in Europe in June. Their North American tour gets underway in Lake Buena Vista, Florida, on August 25th.

cooby Apr 06 2006 02:47 PM

Babeball? Slip of the tongue there, Edgeman?

Edgy DC Apr 06 2006 02:49 PM

Cut and paste, read with haste: http://www.therockradio.com/2006/04/queensryche-singer-appreciates.html

Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 02:51 PM

I read once where Queensryche singer Geoff Tate was not dead.

Elster88 Apr 06 2006 09:13 PM

metirish wrote: I'm amazed that people are so willing to dump Hernandez so quickl It should be making more sense now. Yeah he's only had about 30 career at-bats, but they've been a miserable 30.