IGT 4/9/06: Game 5 - vs. Marlins

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IGT 4/9/06: Game 5 - vs. Marlins - Willis vs. Glavine

Elster88
Apr 08 2006 12:48 PM
Edited 8 time(s), most recently on Apr 09 2006 12:42 PM

(This was the lineup for the rained out 4/8/06 game)

Marlins Mets
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Ramirez, Hanley SS .471 0 3 Reyes, Jose SS .368 1 5
Hermida, Jeremy RF .308 0 0 Woodward, Chris 2B .000 0 0
Cabrera, Miguel 3B .294 1 4 Beltran, Carlos CF .143 1 5
Willingham, Josh LF .286 2 4 Delgado, Carlos 1B .312 2 4
Jacobs, Mike 1B .250 2 6 Wright, David 3B .500 2 6
Uggla, Dan 2B .267 0 1 Nady, Xavier RF .562 1 2
Olivo, Miguel C .273 0 0 Castro, Ramon C .000 0 0
Abercrombie, Reggie CF .250 0 0 Diaz, Victor LF .000 0 0
Willis, Dontrelle P .000 0 0 Glavine, Tom P 1.000 0 0
(0-0) 0.00 (1-0) 1.50

sharpie
Apr 08 2006 12:50 PM

Woodward and Castro playing means that Zambrano is the last Met who broke camp with the team to make his '06 debut.

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 08 2006 12:54 PM

Diaz batting 8th?

I thought if you have a good-hitting, poor fielding LFer, you tried to get him the most at bats before you take him out of the game for defense..

Elster88
Apr 08 2006 12:55 PM

Flip-flop him with Castro maybe, but I don't see where else to bat him.

Elster88
Apr 08 2006 01:09 PM

Rain delay. Crap.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 08 2006 01:13 PM

There's something about the host of Mets Kids Clubhouse that bothers me. I'm sure she's very sweet, but she doesn't seem all that knowledgeable.

GYC
Apr 08 2006 01:25 PM

Game postponed until July 8th.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 08 2006 01:28 PM

Ugh. I'll be in Alaska on July 8. I guess I end up missing this one.

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 08 2006 01:31 PM

You don't think Diaz 2nd and Woodward 8th makes sense?

No game? Shit, I structured my entire day around a three hour break right here. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Elster88
Apr 08 2006 01:39 PM

I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is.

One rainout already. Key for the all-important tiebreaker in the Met Predictions.

Nymr83
Apr 08 2006 01:55 PM

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 08 2006 02:07 PM

Elster88 wrote:
I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is..

Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP.

Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order.

TheOldMole
Apr 08 2006 03:05 PM

Amazing how some managers insist on having a second baseman in the lineup.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 08 2006 03:25 PM

Rainout Theater - SNY is showing the repeat of last night's game. It was a fun game to attend, and I'm enjoying being able to watch the broadcast.

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2006 03:33 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote:
="Elster88"]I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is..

Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP.

Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order.

which really does explain why hernandez has been batting in the 8th spot thus far.

Zvon
Apr 09 2006 12:23 AM

GYC wrote:
Game postponed until July 8th.

JULY 8TH!
Why couldnt they play 2 on Sunday?
Cripes-----------
Okay, I know the answer-greed.

(Phils are gonna play 2 tomorrow)

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 09 2006 07:35 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
="Bret Sabermetric"]
="Elster88"]I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is..

Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP.

Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order.

which really does explain why hernandez has been batting in the 8th spot thus far.

Well, that's Willie's defense if anyone ever accuses him of being totally insane, but I was referencing his insistence on batting Cairo and Matsui second in the order last season. Those two, with atrocious OBPs and few other offensive virtues, batted second in the order in most of last season's games. I think most of us here saw that that wasn't working long before Willie did (if he ever did). When Kaz comes back, let's see if he bats him in the 2 hole or the 8 hole. I'm betting 2, I'm hoping 8.

What makes me somewhat optimistic that Kaz will bat 8 is Willie's stubbornness--he's committed publicly to batting Lo Duca 2 and it often takes quite a bit to move WWSB off his chosen policy.

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 10:05 AM

[url=http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0719]Kaz Matsui[/url]
2005: 1st, 2 games. 2nd, 41 games. 8th, 20 games. 9th, 1 game.

[url=http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0748]Miguel Cairo[/url]
2005: 2nd, 55 games. 7th, 1 game. 8th, 25 games.

Looks like Bret is basically right. Cairo and Matsui each were in the 1 or 2 slot for a little over 2/3 of their starts.

If all of the starts in the eighth slot were at the end of the season, that would show Willie learned as the year went on. I don't know if that's the case; I remember Cameron starting in the two spot in the lineup for some time after he came back from his injury early in the season.

GYC
Apr 09 2006 12:32 PM

Let's try this again...
Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher
Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. H Ramirez, SS .471 0 3 1
2. J Hermida, RF .308 0 0 0
3. M Cabrera, 3B .294 1 4 0
4. J Willingham, LF .286 2 4 0
5. M Jacobs, 1B .250 2 6 0
6. D Uggla, 2B .267 0 1 0
7. M Olivo, C .273 0 0 0
8. R Abercrombie, CF .250 0 0 0
9. D Willis, P .000 0 0 0
Name AB AVG HR RBI
1. H Ramirez, SS - - - -
2. J Hermida, RF - - - -
3. M Cabrera, 3B - - - -
4. J Willingham, LF - - - -
5. M Jacobs, 1B - - - -
6. D Uggla, 2B - - - -
7. M Olivo, C - - - -
8. R Abercrombie, CF - - - -
9. D Willis, P - - - -

Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher
Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. J Reyes, SS .368 1 5 2
2. P Lo Duca, C .286 0 1 0
3. C Beltran, CF .143 1 5 2
4. C Delgado, 1B .313 2 4 0
5. D Wright, 3B .500 2 6 1
6. X Nady, RF .563 1 2 0
7. V Diaz, LF .000 0 0 0
8. A Hernandez, 2B .063 0 0 0
9. T Glavine, P 1.000 0 0 0

I'm not good with tables, so anyone who feels like table-izing it go ahead.

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 12:33 PM

Beat you to it. New day, new thread.

GYC
Apr 09 2006 12:33 PM

Elster88 wrote:
Beat you to it. New day, new thread.
Woops. Saw it just after I created. I guess we both decided it was time at the same time.

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 12:34 PM

I've been ready since I woke up this morning. No game tomorrow too. Sucks.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 12:36 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 09 2006 12:39 PM

THREE! Three threads!

Florida Mets
1) Ramirez, ss
2) Hermidia, 3b
3) Cabrera, rf
4) Guillen, 3b
5) Willingham, lf
6) Jacobs, 1b
7) Uggla, 2b
8) Olivo, c
9) Willis, p 1) Reyes, ss
3) Lo Duca, c
3) Beltran, cf
4) Delgado, 1b
5) Wright, 3b
6) Nady, rf
7) Diaz, lf
8) Hernandez, 2b
9) Glavine, p

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 12:39 PM

]THREE! Three threads!

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 12:39 PM

WTF. You deleted my thread.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 12:41 PM

Sorry. I thought it was an extraneous one-post thread. Was there unique material in there?

I deleted mine first.

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 12:43 PM

Eh no big. Nothing new in there.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 12:52 PM

Spellcheck corrects the lineups:

1) Hanley Ramirez, ss
2) Jeremy Herminie, 3b
3) Miguel Cabrera, rf
4) Jose Guile, 3b
5) Josh Willingham, lf
6) Mike Jacobs, 1b
7) Dan Ugly, 2b
8) Miguel Olive, c
9) Controlled Willis, p

1) Jose Reyes, ss
3) Paul Lo Ducal, c
3) Carlos Beltran, cf
4) Carlos Delgado, 1b
5) David Wright, 3b
6) Xavier Andy, rf
7) Victor Diaz, lf
8) Anderson Hernandez, 2b
9) Tom Glaive, p

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 01:17 PM

GLAIVE: n. A sword. v. GLAIVED: Used a sword.

Nice Scrabble find there.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 01:32 PM

A leadoff hit for our shortstop, and nothing since.

He was caught stealing.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 01:39 PM

Ick. Double play erases our second leadoff runner.

mlbaseballtalk
Apr 09 2006 01:47 PM

Hey Moron Radio guy alert. Stringer on 1050 ESPN Radio mentions something about the game, then the update guy comments that the stringer had JUST jinixed the game. Well the jinx didn't happen, but the way the update guy said it made me think that something DID happen when in actuality, it DID NOT!

Ugh!

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 09 2006 01:51 PM

I'm surprised you're unfamiliar with Marlowe:

A heavy case
When force to force is knit, and sword and glaive
In civil broils make kin and countrymen
Slaughter themselves in others, and their sides
With their own weapons gore!

Still 0-0. Glaive sacrifices Hernandez to strange territory for him, second base.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 01:57 PM

Fish aren't good enough to try and get away with baserunning like that.

On their way to 110 losses.

duan
Apr 09 2006 01:58 PM

there's something i wanna talk about but I won't for a while.

mlbaseballtalk
Apr 09 2006 01:58 PM

7,001 and counting...

Yeah that assumes this becomes an official game, pretty safe assumtion though at this point!

holychicken
Apr 09 2006 01:59 PM

I was really hoping that we would jump all over willis . . . instead it seems that he continues to dominate us. :(

But whatever, sword boy looks pretty good.

duan
Apr 09 2006 02:03 PM

with all these games against the fish & nationals (two TERRIBLE offenses) in 3 great pitcher's parks this is a great year for a no-hitter - or a met pitcher to lead the league in era anyway.

I wonder what odds you'd get on Pedro for a Cy Young.

OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2006 02:22 PM

LO-DU-CA

not DA-LOO-CA

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 09 2006 02:25 PM

I like Dean and DeLuca. A little pricey, but nice.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 02:52 PM

Mets down 2-0 and no posts to note.

Paul No Nuka just walked on ten pitches on an automatic ball. What gives? Is Dontrelle Willis (future Yankee, by the way) going to his mouth too much?

OE: No, apparently he singled. Stoopit Gameday.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 02:55 PM

Rally song:

You can�t depend on your teacher;
You can�t depend on your preacher;
You can�t depend on politicians;
And you can�t depend on superstitions.

Hey!

Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!

You can�t rely on Mother Nature;
You can�t rely on you paycheck;
You can�t depend on you doctor;
You can�t rely on your lawyer. No!

Hey!
Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!
Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!

Aah, aah, aah, ah...

Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!
Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!
Love can rock you!
Never stop you!
Aah, aah, aah, ah...
Love is like a rock!

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 02:57 PM

The power of Donnie:

Hillbilly
Apr 09 2006 02:59 PM

2-2 Tie. Wright gets a gift triple and the duke and Beltran score - Boooooooo!

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 02:59 PM

Dagnabbit. Nady shoulda drove in a run there.

Hillbilly
Apr 09 2006 03:02 PM

And they strand Wright at 3rd. The game's in the Bullpen's hands.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:03 PM

Donnie Iris ties it for us, though.

Hillbilly
Apr 09 2006 03:15 PM

Our heavy hitting second baseman gets on with a leadoff hit.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:16 PM

Wagner's got to pitch the ninth whether they take a lead or not.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:39 PM

Tough spot for the Marlins to throw a rookie into.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:40 PM

And... the Met have the winning run on third, no outs, and David Wright coming up.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 03:40 PM

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:41 PM

Call MetsWalkoffs.

OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2006 03:41 PM

Winning is fun.

DocTee
Apr 09 2006 03:42 PM

Mets win!

Solid performance

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2006 03:44 PM

Starting 0-5: muy malo.

Starting 4-1: muy bien.

Hillbilly
Apr 09 2006 03:45 PM

Good stuff. Nice come from behind win against their ace. I hope our bullpen can get us a few of these late inning wins against the better teams too.

Rotblatt
Apr 09 2006 03:46 PM

Great game. Willis & Glavine both looked pretty dominant tonight. Wright DID get a gift on that triple, but it likely would've been a RBI single regardless.

Sanchez looked pretty good, if a little inconsistent. Billy's got to get his fastball working, but he was effective, so I guess I can't complain too much.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2006 03:48 PM

ScarletKnight41
Apr 09 2006 03:49 PM

I love that old man!

OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2006 03:55 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Starting 0-5: muy malo.

Starting 4-1: muy bien.
S� S� Se�or

ABG
Apr 09 2006 04:12 PM

Little bit cheap for the brooms, but I'll take it.

OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2006 04:18 PM

="ABG"]Little bit cheap for the brooms, but I'll take it.

Smaller broom, but a broom all the same

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 04:35 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Mets down 2-0 and no posts to note.

Paul No Nuka just walked on ten pitches on an automatic ball. What gives? Is Dontrelle Willis (future Yankee, by the way) going to his mouth too much?

OE: No, apparently he singled. Stoopit Gameday.

Ball 3 was awarded when Willis "went to his mouth" on the mound.

Why would you lick your hand all the time during a ball game?

ABG
Apr 09 2006 04:37 PM

Elster88 wrote:
="Edgy DC"]Mets down 2-0 and no posts to note.

Paul No Nuka just walked on ten pitches on an automatic ball. What gives? Is Dontrelle Willis (future Yankee, by the way) going to his mouth too much?

OE: No, apparently he singled. Stoopit Gameday.

Ball 3 was awarded when Willis "went to his mouth" on the mound.

Why would you lick your hand all the time during a ball game?

Keep it warm, get a good grip. That's what I'd assume.

Willets Point
Apr 09 2006 09:34 PM

We had to wait until this day (first Sunday of the season) for the first Mets win last year. I like this much better.

Elster88
Apr 09 2006 10:15 PM

Willets Point wrote:
We had to wait until this day (first Sunday of the season) for the first Mets win last year. I like this much better.

That was an exciting game though, no?

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 09 2006 10:17 PM

Excellent. Maybe the best game since who knows when?

The Big O
Apr 10 2006 05:24 AM

National League East
Squadron W L % GB home road RS RA streak L10
New York Nine 4 1 .800 -- 4-1 0-0 30 21 W3 4-1
Mylanta 3 4 .429 2 0-0 3-4 53 53 L2 3-4
Washing-town 2 4 .333 2.5 0-0 2-4 32 39 L1 2-4
Flori-duh 1 4 .200 3 0-0 1-4 21 21 L3 1-4
Philadullphia 1 5 .167 3.5 1-5 0-0 21 35 L1 1-5

Observations
* The pythagorean gods smile not well on the Fish.
* Atlanta's RC/RA. Yikes on both counts.
* We're the only ones to play in the division so far, and we've already done serious damage.

Monday's games
N.Y. Mets 3, Washington 2
(WP: Glavine 1-0; LP: Hernandez 0-1)
St. Louis 13, Philadelphia 5
(WP: Carpenter 1-0; LP: Lieber 0-1)
Atlanta 11, L.A. Dodgers 10
(WP: Villarreal 1-0; LP: Lowe 0-1)
Houston 1, Florida 0
(WP: Oswalt 1-0; LP: Johnson 0-1)

Tuesday's games
Florida 11, Houston 2
(WP: Mitre 1-0; LP: Pettitte 0-1)
L.A. Dodgers 5, Atlanta 4
(WP: Penny 1-0; LP: Smoltz 0-1)

Wednesday's games
St. Louis 4, Philadelphia 3
(WP: Thompson 1-0; LP: Gordon 0-1)
Washington 9, N.Y. Mets 5
(WP: Cordero 1-0; LP: Julio 0-1
Houston 6, Florida 5
(WP: Rodriguez 1-0; LP: Moehler 0-1)
Atlanta 9, L.A. Dodgers 8
(WP: Villarreal 2-0; LP: Osoria 0-1)

Thursday's games
St. Louis 4, Philadelphia 2
(WP: Marquis 1-0; LP: Lidle 0-1)
San Francisco 6, Atlanta 4
(WP: Fassero 1-0; LP: Sosa 0-1)
N.Y. Mets 10, Washington 5
(WP: P. Martinez 1-0; LP: Ortiz 0-1)

Friday's games
L.A. Dodgers 5, Philadelphia 3
(WP: Tomko 1-0; LP: Floyd (0-1)
N.Y. Mets 9, Florida 3
(WP: Trachsel 1-0; LP: Vargas 0-1
Houston 6, Washington 1
(WP: Backe 1-0; LP: Armas 0-1)
Atlanta 14, San Francisco 6
(WP: Remlinger 1-0; LP: Walker 0-1)

Saturday's games
Florida at N.Y. Mets, ppd., rain
L.A. Dodgers at Philadelphia, ppd., rain
San Francisco 12, Atlanta 6
(WP: Wright 1-0; LP: Hudson 0-1)
Washington 12, Houston 8
(WP: Hernandez 1-1; LP: Qualls 0-1)

Sunday's games
Philadelphia 6, L.A. Dodgers 3
(WP: Gordon 1-1; LP: Hamulack 0-1)
N.Y. Mets 3, Florida 2
(WP: Wagner 1-0; LP: C. Martinez 0-1)
Houston 7, Washington 3
(WP: Pettitte 1-1; LP: Drese 0-1)
San Francisco 6, Atlanta 5
(WP: Worrell 1-0; LP: Reitsma 0-1)
L.A. Dodgers 6, Philadelphia 2
(WP: Penny 2-0; LP: Lieber 0-2)

Today's games
Washington (Patterson 0-0) at Houston (Rodriguez 1-0)
Philadelphia (Myers 0-0) at Atlanta (Thomson 0-0)

Tuesday's games
N.Y. Mets (Bannister 0-0) at Washington (Ortiz 0-1)
San Diego (Williams 0-0) at Florida (Mitre 1-0)

Wednesday's games
San Diego (Young 0-0) at Florida (Moehler 0-1)
N.Y. Mets (P. Martinez 1-0) at Washington (Armas 0-1)
Philadelphia (Lidle 0-1) at Atlanta (Sosa 0-1)

Thursday's games
N.Y. Mets (Zambrano 0-0) at Washington (Hernandez 1-1)
San Diego (Brazelton 0-1) at Florida (Vargas 0-1)
Philadelphia (Floyd 0-1) at Atlanta (Hudson 0-1)

Next series
Milwaukee (Capuano 1-0, Sheets 0-0) at N.Y. Mets (Glavine 1-0, TBA)
San Diego (Peavy, Williams) at Atlanta (Smoltz, Thomson)
Washington (Drese, Ortiz) at Florida (Willis, Mitre)
Philadelphia (TBA, Myers) at Colorado (TBA, Cook)

All projected Mets starters courtesy of Marty Noble at MLB.com. I might rather have Pedro go against Livan, even though it would mean an extra day's rest.

Edgy DC
Apr 10 2006 08:05 AM

The Mets don't hit Philadelphia until May 9. The Phils may have recovered by then, and the Mets may have tripped up.

Or maybe we'll have a chance to bury them early.

Raise your hand if you thought we'd be 5-0 but for a blown save by Billy Wagner.

cooby
Apr 10 2006 09:32 AM

I won't say I would have disbelieved it

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 10 2006 09:40 AM

OlerudOwned wrote:
LO-DU-CA

not DA-LOO-CA

I caught that too! Maybe Keith is channeling Ralph Kiner!

Boy, did you see how hyped up Dontrelle Willis was during that Mets rally? He wanted to get out of that jam, and it seemed like he just couldn't wait to get the ball and pitch it again.

He's fun to watch, and so was this game. I again watched on TiVo-delay, and zipping through commercials it took only about two hours. (I started watching at about 2:15 and finished at about 4:15.)

Edgy DC
Apr 10 2006 09:45 AM

Yeah, Keith can tell you about baseball in the abstract inside and out, but I'm not sure he's up to the legwork to be able to tell you about the players actually out there on the field.

I was going to go to the home opener here in DC. We had a scheduling conflict, and instead I'll end up at game two when Pedro gets arrested.

Centerfield
Apr 10 2006 10:42 AM

Big O's post needs to be farmed out to a Standings 2006 thread.