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Elster88
Apr 06 2006 08:58 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 06 2006 09:00 PM

I'm loving the Cohen/Hernandez combo. It's like listening to the radio while watching TV. Which I used to resort to.


They need to set up their HD channel. Baseball is beautiful on ESPNHD but painful to listen to.

Iubitul
Apr 06 2006 09:00 PM

I couldn't agree more - Gary is always a great listen, and he has been giving Keith time to shine. I loved hearing about the differnt bats and their weights - I never heard about that weight/height ratio before...

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 06 2006 09:02 PM

I get the HD feed. It's excellent.

Keith looks terribly self-conscious when they turn the camera on him & Gary.

Elster88
Apr 06 2006 09:04 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
I get the HD feed. It's excellent.


What service do you have?

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 06 2006 09:04 PM

Time warner in brooklyn

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 06 2006 09:05 PM

I had the SNY feed on MLB.TV yesterday and there was no ball/strike/out indicator on-screen, no score, no inning, no network logo, nothing. Not a thing. Is that how it really is or was that just the MLB.TV version?

OlerudOwned
Apr 06 2006 09:06 PM

I like the SNY Sportsnightdeskcenter show, it's better than MSG's and more local/less stupid than ESPN. Plus, they have one of the only anchors I could stomach from ESPN (Berthuime [sp?]).

Willets Point
Apr 06 2006 09:06 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
I had the SNY feed on MLB.TV yesterday and there was no ball/strike/out indicator on-screen, no score, no inning, no network logo, nothing. Not a thing. Is that how it really is or was that just the MLB.TV version?


You're right. How old school to have an uncluttered screen.

Elster88
Apr 06 2006 09:08 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
I had the SNY feed on MLB.TV yesterday and there was no ball/strike/out indicator on-screen, no score, no inning, no network logo, nothing. Not a thing. Is that how it really is or was that just the MLB.TV version?


There's a fairly large box in the upper left corner with standard score, bases, out, and count indicator with an SNY logo. Another SNY logo in the upper right corner.

Willets Point
Apr 06 2006 09:12 PM

Actually, I'm noticing now that online I don't see any graphics. For ex. stats for batters and in-game box score. I don't miss them too much personally but it's kind of odd.

KC
Apr 06 2006 09:16 PM

ESPNHD is blacked out within prolly a 75 mile radius of Shea. Cablevision
seems to have gotten it's act together as I said in the other thread (Elster
probably ignores my posts these days) and we're getting HD.

I like the Cohen/Keith combo so far. Keith is a plain joe and Cohen bringing
his stuff to tv was a great idea. I haven't listened to a game on the radio yet,
who's all doing that stuff this year? Not Ed Coleman?

Iubitul
Apr 06 2006 09:19 PM

I can't believe that I didn't notice it - I love the old school/uncluttered look.

Elster88
Apr 06 2006 09:20 PM

Why would I ignore your posts?

Cablevision here in CT doesn't have SNYHD at least.

metirish
Apr 06 2006 09:21 PM

]I'm loving the Cohen/Hernandez combo. It's like listening to the radio while watching TV. Which I used to resort to.


Exactly....

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 06 2006 10:48 PM

Nice suit, Kenny Choi. Just get out of prison?

abogdan
Apr 06 2006 10:54 PM

Cohen and Hernandez were great this series. I really like how Hernandez talks strategy throughout the game - what the hitter is looking for, what the pitcher is looking for, why the catcher is calling what he's calling. Really good stuff.

SI Metman
Apr 06 2006 11:14 PM

KC wrote:
ESPNHD is blacked out within prolly a 75 mile radius of Shea. Cablevision
seems to have gotten it's act together as I said in the other thread (Elster
probably ignores my posts these days) and we're getting HD.

I like the Cohen/Keith combo so far. Keith is a plain joe and Cohen bringing
his stuff to tv was a great idea. I haven't listened to a game on the radio yet,
who's all doing that stuff this year? Not Ed Coleman?


Gary Cohen is doing the radio too. Actually it's ex-Phillies radio guy Tom McCarthy who sounds just like Cohen. He also took over the postgame Mets Extra duties. Eddie C has had the last 2 games with Howie having Islanders duties.

Centerfield
Apr 07 2006 11:54 AM

Gary Cohen makes weird faces when he's talking.

metirish
Apr 07 2006 11:55 AM

Yeah and he really leans towards Keith when they show them on the TV...

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 07 2006 12:11 PM

I've noticed that too. Maybe he's uncomfortable knowing the camera is on him. One time when they cut to the booth, Gary seemed to be sitting normally, but immediately did that deferential leaning thing. Maybe it's a clause in Keith's contract?

Elster88
Apr 07 2006 12:14 PM

They might not be sure that they're in the frame, so they lean closer to each other?

Centerfield
Apr 07 2006 12:21 PM

Maybe it's to keep warm.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 08 2006 03:34 PM

[url=www.sny.tv]SNY's Website[/url]

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 08 2006 03:35 PM

Where has Ron Darling been? I haven't heard him on any of the telecasts.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 08 2006 03:39 PM

He's been in the studio.

BTW, Comcast, despite being a partner in this venture, has not been showing SNY in HD. WTF?

MFS62
Apr 08 2006 04:53 PM

What's to discuss?
I still don't have it.

Later

Elster88
Apr 12 2006 12:02 AM

Darling did the color today.

Iubitul
Apr 12 2006 09:26 AM

Elster88 wrote:
Darling did the color today.


He sounded a little stiff - definitely not as good as Keith.

abogdan
Apr 12 2006 09:27 AM

I didn't hear Darling on SNY, but a friend who lives in Washington said he was awful last year w/the Nats.

Elster88
Apr 12 2006 09:30 AM

Practice makes perfect.

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2006 09:44 AM

Darling just seemed sleepy and stoney with the Nats last year.

He did as a player also, though.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 12 2006 09:53 AM

That's because he thinks too much.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 12 2006 10:00 AM

I like Mets Fast Forward, where you get the game in an hour in the morning.

soupcan
Apr 12 2006 10:01 AM

Did you catch Darling's comment about the trivia question?

The question was: Who was the last VP to throw out the first pitch in a Washington DC home opener?

The answer was Somebody Sherman in 1912.

Darling went on to say that Sherman was Taft's VP. Taft was a Yalie and had a special seat behind homeplate at Yale Stadium that was basically a double-wide because of Taft's girth.

Boola-Boola (yawn).

metirish
Apr 12 2006 10:04 AM

I think Ron might suffer from a very high IQ.

seawolf17
Apr 12 2006 10:04 AM

It's a terrible curse that some of us bear, but we do it well.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 12 2006 10:06 AM

metirish wrote:
I think Ron might suffer from a very high IQ.


That's one of the things I always loved about him.

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2006 10:27 AM

I think he suffers from being sleepy and stoney.

metirish
Apr 12 2006 10:39 AM

While rooting around for info on Darling I found this, I didn't know he pitched in the greatest college baseball game of all time, and against Frank Viola no less.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ron-darling

soupcan
Apr 12 2006 10:46 AM

Old news irish. Any Mets fan worth his salt knows this.

It was pretty common knowledge in the early 90's when Darling and Viola were Mets.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 12 2006 10:46 AM

There's some good stuff on Young Ron Darling in the book Dollar Sign on the Muscle, which I whore every chance I get. The book follows the 1981 draft, when Darling was selected by Texas in the first round.

One thing I associate with Ron Darling is John Darling, a comic strip that ran in Newsday around the time the Mets acquired him. What was interesting was that both Ron Darling and John Darling had reputations as pretty boys who while accomplished professionals, tended to mind themselves too much. John Darling was a newscaster IIRC.

The same artist does, or did, Marvin.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 12 2006 10:46 AM

And Smokey Joe Wood was in the stands watching the game.

metirish
Apr 12 2006 11:19 AM

]

Old news irish. Any Mets fan worth his salt knows this.

It was pretty common knowledge in the early 90's when Darling and Viola were Mets.


In my defence in the early 1990's I was living in Ireland and probably had never even heard of the Mets let alone Ron Darling, so I learn everyday.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 12 2006 11:27 AM

Somehow, I don't know where or when, John Darling was murdered. I know this because Les Moore, a character in Funky Winkerbean wrote a book about the case.

The John Darling art does have the same style as Marvin. Could it have been written by the Funky writer?

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2006 11:29 AM

Has either team been back to the College World Series since then?

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 12 2006 12:17 PM

Great story! I met Tom Armstrong once at an event. His nametag read: JOHN DARLING


From Toonpedia:

]JOHN DARLING

Medium: Newspaper comics
Distributed by: North America Syndicate
First Appeared: 1979
Creator: Tom Batiuk
John Darling was not a long-running, well-known, highly popular comic strip. It was not an extremely important strip in the history of comics. It was not the most significant creative outlet for any of comics' great geniuses. It has only one real claim to fame — but that one's a doozy! On August 3, 1991, the day before the strip ended, its title character was murdered on-stage, in full view of the readers.

Title characters of comics had been murdered before. The Comet went out in a blaze of gunfire, for example, tho a couple of decades later the publisher relented, and he got better. And a villain blew up The Doom Patrol in the final issue of their DC comic book; but there, readers were given to understand that if the publisher became convinced the comic could be resurrected, sales-wise, then the characters would be resurrected as well. John Darling was intended to stay dead, and did.

The John Darling character was created by Tom Batiuk (rhymes with "attic"), best known for Funky Winkerbean, which he created, writes and draws. Darling was originally a walk-on character in the Winkerbean strip, an appallingly shallow, thoroughly self-absorbed talk show host. He made a big hit with readers, and was brought back over and over. He eventually became the first of two Winkerbean characters (the other being Ed Crankshaft) spun off into strips of their own. Darling's began March 25, 1979. Given the character's line of work, naturally, it was replete with caricatures of real-life media personalities — in fact, so media-saturated was the strip, many papers carried it on the TV page instead of with the rest of the comics.

Batiuk wrote John Darling, and it was originally illustrated by Tom Armstrong. In 1985, Armstrong left to devote his full attention to his own strip, Marvin, which he'd created in 1982; and the art on Darling was taken over by Gerry Shamway. When the Darling strip was canceled (crowded off most papers' TV page by the 1980s explosion of channels that required listing), Armstrong returned to draw its final three weeks — including, of course, the character's shooting death.

Batiuk had two reasons for closing the strip as he did. First, he wanted a boffo ending, one that people would talk about and remember. He certainly achieved that. Second, he was having a contract dispute with North America Syndicate (Sally Forth, Mark Trail), which distributed the strip, over ownership of the character, and made a decision to leave John Darling unusable.

And yet, the character was used one more time. In 1997, long after the dispute had been resolved in Batiuk's favor, he had Les Moore, a major Funky Winkerbean character, write a book about Darling's murder — and, in the process, solve it. To write that story, Batiuk had to solve the murder himself. He hadn't had any particular murderer in mind originally, but poring over the John Darling storyline, found enough clues to nail the felon.

Other than the fact that, like mortals, he survives through his descendants (his daughter Jennifer is a regular character in Funky Winkerbean), that may well have been John Darling's last gasp as a viable character. Like Generalissimo Francisco Franco, he is still dead.

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2006 12:29 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 13 2006 12:53 AM

Things I remember about John Darling

1) John worked for Channel One, when there wasn't such a channel on anybody's dial.

2) He kept his back issues of People magazine and had them bound.

3)This exchange:

Frame One: John Darling (beaming moronically at camera/reader): And we're here talking with Terry Bradshaw, star quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, in town this week to face our own Maulers. Terry, there's some speculation that the Steelers may be looking past the Maulers toward next week's big showdown with the Houston Oilers. Is there anything to that?

Frame Two: (No lines, just Bradshaw beaming moronically.)

Frame Three: Bradshaw: Looking past who again?

soupcan
Apr 13 2006 12:42 AM

metirish wrote:
In my defence in the early 1990's I was living in Ireland and probably had never even heard of the Mets let alone Ron Darling, so I learn everyday.


I figured as much irish. Just giving you a hard time.

metirish
Apr 13 2006 12:47 AM

No problem Soupcan, I knew that, meanwhile you are Jeff Reardon.....he has to be Irish.

GYC
Apr 13 2006 06:59 PM

http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/4/13/1884402.html

]04:29 PM - Oops: Cohen Comments Off-Air, but On-Air

...posted by Matthew Cerrone...

…this is priceless…


During SportsNet NY's post-game interview with Willie Randolph from the team's locker room, the producers apparently forgot to shut off Gary Cohen's and Ron Darling's microphones, as they listened to the interview from the broadcast booth…

Therefore, during Randolph's interview, viewers could hear Cohen's under-the-breath comments, for instance…

Asked if Victor Zambrano fulfilled expectations on the day, Randolph responded, "Well, like I said, I didn't go into the game expecting anything in particular.”…

Cohen them remarked, "That's an understatement…He just downplays everything."…

Darling followed by saying, "Well, what do you expect him to do."…

Randolph continued with regards to Zambrano, "Well, he started to labor after the fifth, but the first time out you can't expect him to be on the top of his game."…

Cohen then remarked, while laughing, "You can never expect him to be on top of his game, because he never is."…

…ouch, but true…remember, folks, cohen is a mets fan, just like you and i…frankly, on radio he was pretty critical of the team…however, since going to television, he has been a tad more, well, professional, i guess…i’m glad to know he is still thinking like a fan, though…
I love it.

metirish
Apr 13 2006 07:08 PM

Excellent, the guys hear that listen to the Mets on MLB say that the inbetween innings talk between Gary and whoever is carried live, it's priceless.

martin
Apr 13 2006 09:20 PM

email response i got from comcast jersey city:

"As of now we do not offer Sports Net New York in HD"

damnit. isnt SNY part-owned by comcast? and i still can't get the HD feed? i would have thought i was the most likely person to get the hd feed, having comcast and all. i thought i would be the guy laughing at the other losers with time warner or the dish or whatever. but instead i am the loser.

Centerfield
Apr 14 2006 11:13 AM

Is there a separate commercial thread? I was watching the replay last night and I want to know what idiot decided to air Derek Jeter commercials during Mets telecasts. And I know, I was watching the replay, but SNY should know that if anyone is sitting through a replay of the game, they must be a pretty big fan.

I will never EVER buy anything from the Tri-State Lincoln Ford Mercury dealers.

And with that video game commercial, did anyone else notice that the commercial starts out with Beckett saying he's not going to go low and away, with Jeter mirroring, he's not going low and away, only to have the pitch end up low and away?

metirish
Apr 14 2006 11:14 AM

I saw that CF and pretty much thought the same as you, like go to fuck Cappy.

KC
Apr 14 2006 01:42 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 14 2006 01:44 PM

I meant to post this before, is Keith Hernandez on some kind of "suspension"
or whatever because of something he may have said during a SNY broadcast?

I didn't hear the entire call, but the morning show on WFAN (it was a substitute
host) had someone saying something that Keith slipped up and is now paying for
it? Is there any truth to this? Was it an anti-Mets slip up or did he say something
about some woman's jugs in the stands or something on a camera pan? Or is it that
Darling and him will routinely rotate around with Gary being the main dude?

Elster88
Apr 14 2006 01:43 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 14 2006 01:48 PM

I haven't heard anything but the first thing that comes to mind is calling Nelson de la Rosa a monkey.

He makes a lot of remarks about the stereotypical Latino ballplayer too. The casual listener might not know who Keith is, let alone his ethnicity, so their might be some complaints there. I doubt this one really, just speculatin.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 14 2006 01:48 PM

I thought of the monkey comment, too.

Keith Hernandez isn't Hispanic or Latino, though, if I remember his genealogy correctly. I think his name comes from Spanish (as in from Spain) ancestors.

Am I remembering that right?

Centerfield
Apr 14 2006 01:53 PM

Hernandez and Aguilera, I believe, both have Spanish (as in from Spain) heritage.

I remember hearing Keith say something cutting edge last week that I wondered aloud whether he could say it, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it was.

metsmarathon
Apr 14 2006 01:55 PM

the casual listener should consider that such comments regarding "stereotypical latino ballplayers" would generally refer to baseball skills and styles that are the result of social and cultural ideosyncracies, and not biological or genealogical.

but people are idiots, and offend too easily.

Elster88
Apr 14 2006 01:57 PM

He doesn't actually use the phrase "stereoptypical Latino ballplayer", just makes a lot of comments along the lines "Latinos do this" or "Latinos play like that". Again, the quoted text is not actual quotes.

Like I said though, I doubt there were complaints about it. Just sticks in my mind when I hear it because of this PC-crazed world that we live in.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 14 2006 02:00 PM

I just Googled Keith Hernandez to see if there was any news of a suspension, and all I found is one person asking about it in a discussion group. When searching the web for Keith, his UMDB page was the third one listed! Wow! With such high Google page ranks, I wonder why I'm not making any money on the damn thing!

Iubitul
Apr 14 2006 02:02 PM

If he is being punished for anything, it's gotta be the monkey comment.

That being said, I think the plan all along was to have Keith and Darling rotate in the booth with Keith getting most of the work. It would be a 40/120 split, or something along those lines, IIRC

Iubitul
Apr 14 2006 02:04 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I just Googled Keith Hernandez to see if there was any news of a suspension, and all I found is one person asking about it in a discussion group. When searching the web for Keith, his UMDB page was the third one listed! Wow! With such high Google page ranks, I wonder why I'm not making any money on the damn thing!


Speaking of Google - upto two days ago, a search for "Mets Photography" would bring my site up first - now, it's completely gone from the search results...

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 14 2006 02:06 PM

Did your site have any downtime recently? I've heard that you could lose your Google ranking if your site is unavailable when the Google spider comes calling.

metsmarathon
Apr 14 2006 02:07 PM

oh, i know. i'm refering to statements such as "[group] plays like this", etc., be they domincans, cubans, japanese, or canadians. kids in different countries grow up playing the game in different ways, developing unique variations on skills, and prefering some combinations of such skills over others, resulting in certain similarities in style of play across large groups relative to other large groups.

i have a problem when people think that such things are tantamount to racism, or are otherwise offended.

if mex has gotten in trouble for such statements, i wonder if it was because somebody actually complained, or if some "proactive" suit wanted to cut the lawyers and whiners off at the pass...

Iubitul
Apr 14 2006 02:10 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Did your site have any downtime recently? I've heard that you could lose your Google ranking if your site is unavailable when the Google spider comes calling.


Not that I know of - it's on Kase's server, and I think everything has been good. I just checked with a search of my full name, and it's not listed in those results, either...

KC
Apr 14 2006 02:16 PM

Google is interesting. I did a search for Mets Photography and the Crane
Pool Companion which gets a small fraction of the number of hits that the
board gets is listed at about the seventh link.

As an experiment, I'll put the member links back in the header here and see
if you creep back up in the standings.

Fascinates my inner geek that google thing.

Elster88
Apr 14 2006 09:31 PM

Ronnie again tonight. I feel like he's been good.

Ralph Kiner to join them later.

GYC
Apr 14 2006 09:39 PM

From what I've heard from various Mets fans online, Keith Hernandez destroyed Piazza a few games ago and SNY overreacted and pulled him. He talked about how the Mets wouldn't have been as good this year because runners would be on 2nd. He then continued to say that runners would get a hit and next pitch would be standing safely on 2nd.

Frayed Knot
Apr 15 2006 12:02 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 15 2006 12:21 AM

Seems to me that if Keith really has been pulled by SNY - temporarily or otherwise - then at least one of the media-centric newshounds in this town; Mushnick, Raissman, Best, Sandomir would have caught wind of it. Of course it's possible that the IFPSA has better sources on this stuff but I have my doubts.

The idea that Hernandez "destoyed" Piazza stemmed a comment on how LoDuca has been calling games "aggressively" and how that's a help to the pitchers "just like it was when Gary Carter was here". Some took the omission of Piazza as a backhanded slap worthy of the beginnings of a blood feud.

Now here's what I ask myself: Why - even if this was a subtle putdown of Piazza - would the suits at SNY get themselves all bent out of shape?

Edgy DC
Apr 15 2006 12:08 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 15 2006 01:32 PM

Because we're conspiracy theorists and we'll figure it out later. Um, maybe because the Mets have a lot more invested in Piazza than in Her... no, that's not it.

So, Gary Carter's game-calling is Keith's ideal now, huh?

mlbaseballtalk
Apr 15 2006 12:48 AM

="Frayed Knot"]Now here's what I ask myself: Why - even if this was a subtle putdown of Piazza - would the suits at SNY get themselves all bent out of shape?


Too much snipping after Piazza has long since left could cause those around Piazza to overblow things and cause a rift between the Mets and Piazza, effectivly severing ties between the two

Nymr83
Apr 15 2006 01:10 AM

Piazza left on fairly good terms, if not for the arbitration rules theres a good chance he'd have been back too. The Mets don't want to ruin Piazza jersey-retirement day, Piazza in the HOF day, etc. in future years.

ScarletKnight41
Apr 15 2006 08:31 AM

Iubitul wrote:
If he is being punished for anything, it's gotta be the monkey comment.



That theory makes the most sense to me.

Also, Monday Morning Mets isn't coming up on Google either. However, both MMM and Mets Photography are front and center on Yahoo!'s search engine.

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 15 2006 08:46 AM

CPFers need a court decision to be upheld on appeal before drawing any conspiracist anti-Mets conclusions. Until that day, assume that the Mets' organization isn't doing anything, toward or untoward. You simply cannot ever know these things, correct?

KC
Apr 15 2006 09:25 AM

I wish I had more to go on than a half a call, and didn't mean to start anything.
My guess is that Keith has the week off and they'll juggle around this way for the
rest of the season.

Frayed Knot
Apr 15 2006 09:54 AM

1) Neither Keith nor Darling were scheduled to work every game this season.

2) The suspension for dissing Piazza theory assumes that the internet sleulths have discovered that the front office NYM guys put enough pressure on the SNY guys to suspend Hernandez for a supposed dis of Piazza (even though MP's name never came up) because the front office types are afraid that Mikey might not show up to some future ceremony 6 or 8 years down the road all w/o the snoops from any of the newspapers here knowing anything about it.

I ain't buying it.

KC
Apr 16 2006 02:45 PM

Mex-gate is over, the bum is vacationing in Barbados and will be back Monday.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 16 2006 02:45 PM

Gary just said Keith will be back tomorrow and has been in Barbados. Suspend me!

Edit: Rats. Foiled again.

HahnSolo
Apr 17 2006 12:07 PM

Nice gig. Work a week then take a week's vacation.

mlbaseballtalk
Apr 17 2006 12:11 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote:
CPFers need a court decision to be upheld on appeal before drawing any conspiracist anti-Mets conclusions. Until that day, assume that the Mets' organization isn't doing anything, toward or untoward. You simply cannot ever know these things, correct?


Awww but this is the same franchise that decided to pick Steve Chilcott over Reggie Jackson because Reggie had a white girlfriend!

This is the same organization that didn't want to pay ARod anything because they wanted to drive down the sale price of the organization and pushed Boras' phamplet about how ARod wanted merchandiceing tents

SC=1962 the year Met Conspiracies started

G-Fafif
Apr 17 2006 01:24 PM

mlbaseballtalk wrote:
This is the same franchise that decided to pick Steve Chilcott over Reggie Jackson because Reggie had a white girlfriend!

This is the same organization that didn't want to pay ARod anything because they wanted to drive down the sale price of the organization and pushed Boras' phamplet about how ARod wanted merchandiceing tents


Same franchise. Different organization. Far different organization in 2006 from what it was in 1966. Tangibly different organization from what it was in 2000.

Edgy DC
Apr 17 2006 01:31 PM

]This is the same franchise that decided to pick Steve Chilcott over Reggie Jackson because Reggie had a white girlfriend!


It's also (a) untrue (the lady was Mexican), and (b) completely unsubstantiated. We've been through this, and he only real source this is Reggie Jackson himself, and even he acknowledges it's mere speculation.

mlbaseballtalk
Apr 17 2006 01:34 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
]This is the same franchise that decided to pick Steve Chilcott over Reggie Jackson because Reggie had a white girlfriend!


It's also (a) untrue (the lady was Mexican), and (b) completely unsubstantiated. We've been through this, and he only real source this is Reggie Jackson himself, and even he acknowledges it's mere speculation.


Apparantly you didn't see the SC notation at the end of my post!

;)

Edgy DC
Apr 17 2006 01:37 PM

Yup. Sorry. Reading your comment second hand.

MFS62
Apr 17 2006 02:06 PM

Since I've only had the service for a few days, I have a Gary Cohen question.
Should his name be placed in nomination for the Lindsay Nelson Award for announcers with the worst taste in sports jackets? Or was what I saw a one day thing?

Later

Elster88
Apr 17 2006 02:10 PM

Keith was on the FAN today. They called him to ask where he was. It sounded like he said Florida (so unless he misspoke he wasn't in the Barbados). He said he watched on DirecTV, so he didn't miss anything. He called Lo Duca "De Luca" the first time, started to say De Luca a second time but he corrected himself. Nothing interesting.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 17 2006 02:15 PM

If we're going to comment on wardrobe, I'd start with Keith's furry lapels on his sports jacket. Very metrosexual.

KC
Apr 17 2006 09:29 PM

How many ads does Jeter have on SNY? I think we're up to four.

Yancy Street Gang
May 06 2006 01:08 PM

Chris Cotter brings nothing to the table.

metirish
May 06 2006 01:17 PM

Yeah and the studio hosts are brutal, no idea where they found them.

OlerudOwned
May 06 2006 01:51 PM

They really need help with their on-screen scoreboard.
Betamit's homer led to a dropdown reading "SOLO HOME RUN/KYLE DAVIES". Not the first time something like that happened.

HahnSolo
May 11 2006 12:34 PM

When are they going to start airing these Met Classics that I've seen a million commercials for? And will there be any games NOT from 1986?
Not sure if they exist anywhere, but I'd love to see any of the '69 and '73 postseason games, the Jimmy Qualls game, the Darling-Tudor 11-inning Straw home run game.

Edgy DC
May 11 2006 12:37 PM

I'd love to see lost classics --- the Steve Henderson walkoff from 1980, the ten-inning one-hitter from Terry Leach, the 10-run inning featuring an Inside-the-Parker from Doug Flynn.

The 24-inning jobbie...

Willets Point
May 11 2006 12:50 PM

->the Steve Henderson walkoff from 1980<-

Special game for me.

abogdan
May 11 2006 12:58 PM

The next Mets Classic is scheduled for Tues, 5/16 at 1 PM. It's the same NL East clincher from 1986 that they've showed a few times already.

Elster88
May 11 2006 01:18 PM

I'd like the game were Orosco and McDowell(?) played the outfield.

soupcan
May 11 2006 01:20 PM

Willets Point wrote:
->the Steve Henderson walkoff from 1980<-

Special game for me.


Speaking of Steve Henderson games - [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=2656] this one[/url] has always been a fond memory for me.

Silvio Martinez first ML start, tosses a one hitter.

abogdan
May 11 2006 01:29 PM

]I'd like the game were Orosco and McDowell(?) played the outfield.


[url=http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07220CIN1986.htm]7/22/86[/url] Great game. Daryl got tossed in the 6th for arguing a strike call. Ray Knight and Kevin Mitchell got tossed after a brawl in in extra innings. Gary Carter played 3B. Orosco and McDowell were both left in to hit twice.

soupcan
May 11 2006 01:41 PM

I can still see Ray Knight's eyes bug out and face get all puffy dfter he popped Davis

metirish
May 11 2006 02:09 PM

This fella is just so annoying...

HahnSolo
May 11 2006 03:31 PM

That McDowell-Orosco game was all made possible by a Dave Parker drop of a routine fly that would have ended the game.

metirish
May 11 2006 04:39 PM

One thing I have learned form watching Mets games on SNY is that Gary,Ron and Keith are just huge Jets fans, Gary being a 29 year season ticket holder, wish they would stop plugging the Woody Johnson show, like he's going to tell us anything worthwhile.

Frayed Knot
May 11 2006 11:05 PM

It's about the only other original programming on that channel for now -- it's only natural that the station's going to want them humping it for all it's worth.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2006 11:57 AM

Last night was pretty unprecedented for a Mets broadcast, having two in-game interviews with uniform personnel --- bullpen coach Guy Conti, while he was charting the game, and starting pitcher Pedro Martinez shortly after he exited and while the Mets bats were turning his effort into a no-decision.

I had typically mixed feelings about it. It felt kind of All-Star Gamey. I love love love access, and they were really informative interviews. But I felt it was really invasive for the personnel involved, but maybe they felt somehow it was a professional obligation to tolerate the public aaccess into team-only time and space to cooperate with the team-owned media.

I felt like I happily caught a glimpse of a pretty girl naked but then felt bad because she was a friend of mine.

Maybe not quite like that.

Farmer Ted
Jun 01 2006 12:07 PM

Liked the Conti interview. I have no idea what goes on down there other than once having my seats overlook the pen from the loge. Hope they interview the bullpen catcher next.

The interview with the Milledge family was ass.

Cotter, however, dressing as the Sausage and racing in Milwaukee was a gem.

Vic Sage
Jun 01 2006 12:14 PM

]I felt like I happily caught a glimpse of a pretty girl naked but then felt bad because she was a friend of mine.


I'd never feel bad about catching a glimpse of a pretty gir naked... if she's a friend, she'd understand my lack of remorse.

Similarly, if the upside of having to endure the awful broadcasts by this amateurish, mickey mouse network is that we get unprecedented access... well, i don't see the downside. Pedro was out of the game. The interview didn't interfere with him doing his job, or the play of the game. It illicited genuine responses in a way the more premeditated, prepared press conference-type interviews do not.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2006 12:26 PM

All that is absolutely so, but I guess the downside I feel is captured in your spelling of illicit. If the players feel they're bending over too much for the man (Pedro certainly seemed strained to tolerate Chris Kotter and bouffant), it'll give them one more reason to be resentful when things are going bad. Keith's been out of the game for 15 years and he's grousing about invasions of players' space.

It's probably nothing and paranoia on my part. Hey, scoreless tie. Delicate balance. Let's not rock the boat.

The Milledge's have little future in entertainment. Kotter shouold have asked them about having a son named Anthony and another named Tony. They can join the the Chavezes and the Alfonzos in the Department of Redundancy Department.

metirish
Jun 01 2006 12:53 PM

I thought the interview with Pedro was a high point for Cotter, he's a total bollox, I sensed that Pedro was getting a little annoyed by the interview though, Cotter needs to work on his skills, after every Met win the first question he asks whatever player they get coming of the field goes something like this..." how do you guys keep doing it, you never quit right"....

soupcan
Jun 01 2006 01:00 PM

Where have you gone Matty Loughlin...

metirish
Jun 01 2006 01:03 PM

Yeah I miss Matty, especially when in Milwaukee he would go down the slide just like Bernie, or get caught by the camera crew having a conversation with Bernie...didn't he get banned from one park a few years ago?, I'm thinking it was the Bob or Miller Park.

soupcan
Jun 01 2006 01:08 PM

Oh, I don't miss him. Just wondering where he went.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2006 01:10 PM

To clarify, I don't think thsoe two interviews were necessarily bad, only that they crossed a line and may lead to something bad in the future.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 01 2006 01:38 PM

I liked the Guy Conti interview; it provided a glimpse into an aspect of the game I knew little about. (And it occurred to me that Guy would have had little tolerance for someone like Roger McDowell.) The Pedro interview was more notable for its timing than its content. Chris Cotter continues to bring nothing to the table, unless he's dressed as a sausage.

I can't help but think that if Cotter was talking to Conti instead of Keith and Cohen (I'm building a tongue twister here) the interview wouldn't have been nearly as interesting.

The talk with Lastings' parents reminded me of similar interviews, 22 years ago, with Dan and Ella Gooden. In retrospect, that's not a good thing.

Frayed Knot
Jun 01 2006 01:43 PM

The only problem w/the Conti interview was that they insisted on keeping the camera frozen on Conti while I'm fretting about missing pitches. Yo dudes, show the action! We can still listen while we're doing so.

Sometimes they just give these TV production crews too many toys to play with (much worse problem on network shows than local) and they feel they need to use them all.

metirish
Jun 01 2006 09:34 PM

I have a kinda dumb question, when SNY or the WPIX don't have the Mets game like last Saturday or if it's a Sunday night ESPN game does Gary and the SNY crew have the night off or does Gary still call the game for future SNY airings?

Frayed Knot
Jun 01 2006 11:09 PM

No, there's no "phantom" calling of the game.
The network version of the game will be the only telecast that exists.


I was in Baltimore a couple years back and was wandering around the harbor an hour or two before the game when I walked right past Howie Rose (then doing TV) and his wife & kids. Just as I was about to ask him what the hell he was doing there instead of being down the street at the stadium I realized it was a network game giving him the day off to spend with the family.

Elster88
Jun 02 2006 11:40 AM

Who does PBP if Gary gets sick?

Centerfield
Jun 02 2006 11:45 AM

I was wondering that too. I hope they have a better plan in place than Keith. I remember a few years back, there were a few innings where Keith was left alone with Seaver. They might as well have handed the booth to me and my buddies. It was downright awful.

Pure speculation on my part, but I would think maybe they would bring in Howie and let Ed Coleman fill in on the radio.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 02 2006 11:52 AM

I think that would make sense, too.

metirish
Jun 02 2006 11:54 AM

]No, there's no "phantom" calling of the game.
The network version of the game will be the only telecast that exists.


I was in Baltimore a couple years back and was wandering around the harbor an hour or two before the game when I walked right past Howie Rose (then doing TV) and his wife & kids. Just as I was about to ask him what the hell he was doing there instead of being down the street at the stadium I realized it was a network game giving him the day off to spend with the family.


Thanks FK, it would suck if the Mets had a no hitter and Gary wasn't on to call it, it would suck for him at least...but that will never happen...

sharpie
Jun 02 2006 12:04 PM

The sound intermittently cuts off on my SNY broadcasts. Does it on all TVs in my house and on no other station. It only lasts about 5-10 seconds but it is annoying. This happening to you guys?

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 02 2006 12:08 PM

I haven't noticed that at all.

soupcan
Jun 02 2006 12:18 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 02 2006 12:22 PM

sharpie wrote:
The sound intermittently cuts off on my SNY broadcasts. Does it on all TVs in my house and on no other station. It only lasts about 5-10 seconds but it is annoying. This happening to you guys?


YES!

Maddening. Lately my Cablevision service has s-u-c-k-e-d. Pictures get pixelated, freeze, black out and the sound cuts out.

Then I read in The Times and The Post this morning that Jams Dolan and his band 'JD and The Straight Shot' spent the evening performing for patrons at a 'midtown club' that had a cover charge of $15.00.

Want to know the worst part? One of my best friends owns the club - Coda - where this fat billionaire bastard sang the blues last night!


OE: James Dolan not Charles

Willets Point
Jun 02 2006 12:20 PM

If only he'd buy the Mets, that would turn the team around.

soupcan
Jun 02 2006 12:23 PM

Can you imagine? Yeesh.

Frayed Knot
Jun 02 2006 12:25 PM

Actually it's James - son of Charles - Dolan doing the white-boy blues band thingie.

The only thing I notice about the sound on my SNY feed (also Cablevision) is that it's usually lower than that of surrounding channels. IOW, when flipping between innings I'm constantly lowering and then re-raising the volume when I go off and then return to SNY.
But no cut-outs.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 02 2006 12:30 PM

I remember SportsChannel, in the late 80's, would blare the commercials at more than twice the volume of the ballgame. I'd have to lower the volume on the commercial breaks to preserve my eardrums, and then raise it again when the game resumed so that I could hear.

I actually contacted some of the sponsors and told them that because of this practice their message was being distorted into something very annoying. The problem eventually went away. I'd like to think that I had something to do with it, but I tend to doubt it.

G-Fafif
Jun 02 2006 03:09 PM

Centerfield wrote:
I was wondering that too. I hope they have a better plan in place than Keith. I remember a few years back, there were a few innings where Keith was left alone with Seaver. They might as well have handed the booth to me and my buddies. It was downright awful.

Pure speculation on my part, but I would think maybe they would bring in Howie and let Ed Coleman fill in on the radio.


It's been pointed out to me that Howie is under contract with MSG/FSN-NY to call Islanders games and that might conflict with his ability to slide into the SNY booth. Given his TV experience, I wondered why he didn't sub for Keith in Milwaukee instead of Eddie (and Eddie could have remained mostly faceless, sitting in with the even less exciting Tom McCarthy).

Elster88
Jun 02 2006 11:37 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2006 05:15 PM

Moved to announcer rant thread.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 03 2006 07:22 AM

That's nothing compared to the White Sox crew. They are such freakin' homers it's unbelievable.

I never heard any other announcers refer to the opposing team as "the bad guys" before.

G-Fafif
Jun 04 2006 11:57 AM

G-Fafif wrote:
It's been pointed out to me that Howie is under contract with MSG/FSN-NY to call Islanders games and that might conflict with his ability to slide into the SNY booth.


Either whoever pointed it out to me was mistaken or the issue was resolved on the fly. Howie's in for apendicitis-riddled Gary until further notice.

Elster88
Jun 04 2006 11:59 AM

Centerfield wrote:
I was wondering that too. I hope they have a better plan in place than Keith. I remember a few years back, there were a few innings where Keith was left alone with Seaver. They might as well have handed the booth to me and my buddies. It was downright awful.

Pure speculation on my part, but I would think maybe they would bring in Howie and let Ed Coleman fill in on the radio.


Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

GYC
Jun 04 2006 12:30 PM

Centerfield wrote:
Pure speculation on my part, but I would think maybe they would bring in Howie and let Ed Coleman fill in on the radio.

Centerfield wrote:
It would be a shame if Pujols got injured and we had to shoot him.

Lotto numbers?

Elster88
Jun 04 2006 03:14 PM

There are two commercials on SNY that make me as uncomfortable as I ever have been watching a commerical.

One is the artery clogged with fat. The other is the guy who had his voicebox removed and they show him Q-tipping the hole in his throat.

From the perspective of the commercial, they are probably very powerful in getting across the idea that smoking is bad for you. But I don't smoke.

I liked those anti-smoking "knowledge" commercials that they did a while ago. And those got the message across too. Why not just run something similar to those?

ScarletKnight41
Jun 04 2006 03:18 PM

I agree - those commericals creep me out.

Elster88
Jun 04 2006 03:21 PM

I agree Scarlet. I sometimes wonder if even a creepy commercial like those has an effect on smokers.

To any smokers out there...do those non-smoking ads do anything to you? Do they affect your decision to smoke?

Centerfield
Jun 05 2006 11:58 AM

When they brought in Howie, I thought to myself, "Holy crap, I think that's the first time I've ever been right about something."

As for the smoking commercials, I hate them. I can't speak for others, but to me, they are insulting, disturbing, and downright tasteless. First of all, I understand the importance of getting the message across that smoking is hazardous to your health, but I feel like there should be some line of decency that shouldn't be crossed. For instance, it's also important to wear your seat-belt...but to show someone who was seriously crippled as a result of neglecting to wear one is crossing the line. I think they've crossed that line with these commercials.

Secondly, they are insulting because I feel like the motivation behind these commercials is "People don't understand how dangerous smoking is, let's show them." Trust me, I know how dangerous it is. I don't need it blatantly waved in my face. The problem most smokers face is not that they don't want to quit, but that it is so difficult to do so.

Personally, I have been struggling to quit for nearly a year now and it is the single-hardest thing I've ever tried to do. For about the last three years, I have managed to cut down to exactly one cigarette per day (right before I go to bed), but cutting out that last cigarette has been so much harder than I thought it would be. I quit for days at a time, sometimes weeks, and then go back again. It is a frustrating and disheartening process.

And the commercials are no help.

Elster88
Jun 05 2006 12:02 PM

Centerfield wrote:
For instance, it's also important to wear your seat-belt...but to show someone who was seriously crippled as a result of neglecting to wear one is crossing the line. I think they've crossed that line with these commercials.

That's an excellent point that I hadn't thought of.

]Secondly, they are insulting because I feel like the motivation behind these commercials is "People don't understand how dangerous smoking is, let's show them." Trust me, I know how dangerous it is. I don't need it blatantly waved in my face. The problem most smokers face is not that they don't want to quit, but that it is so difficult to do so.

This is where I disagree slightly with you. Some smokers (or non-smokers) may not understand fully what all that fat looks like in your artery, or what a person who had his voice box removed has to go through on a daily basis.

I agree with everything you said that also goes with this point though, the potential benefits of having it right there in your face do not make up for all of the other negatives that you mentioned.

]Personally, I have been struggling to quit for nearly a year now and it is the single-hardest thing I've ever tried to do. For about the last three years, I have managed to cut down to exactly one cigarette per day (right before I go to bed), but cutting out that last cigarette has been so much harder than I thought it would be. I quit for days at a time, sometimes weeks, and then go back again. It is a frustrating and disheartening process.

And the commercials are no help.


Thanks for being so candid CF. This is exactly what I was wondering.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 05 2006 12:06 PM

Opie and Anthony pointed out this morning, none too tastefully, the difference between smoking commercials and anti-AIDS commercials, whereby one focuses on the behavior leading to disease, turning them into pariahs and objects of public scorn, where the other wouldn't dare.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 05 2006 01:27 PM

I haven't noticed the commercials in question, because I rarely pay attention to commercials even when I don't have the ability to fast-forward, but I think anti-smoking messages have two audiences:

People who are smokers and people who may become smokers.

Most adults who smoke know about the effects on health, and, as CF said, would probably prefer to quit. But what about teenagers feeling that early peer pressure? If the message helps prevent them from taking up the habit (and I have no idea if it does or not) then it's a message worth sending.

metirish
Jun 05 2006 01:29 PM

I have no problem with the Ad's, you should see the anti-smoking commercials in Ireland, they are even more graphic than the ones SNY are running, they like to show blackened lungs and other effects of smoking.

Elster88
Jun 05 2006 02:26 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
But what about teenagers feeling that early peer pressure? If the message helps prevent them from taking up the habit (and I have no idea if it does or not) then it's a message worth sending.


Good point. But that's what health class is for. 'Course I don't think I was awake for an entire health class in my scholastic career.

Elster88
Jun 13 2006 07:46 PM

I kinda like it when all three guys in the booth.

Centerfield
Jun 14 2006 10:59 AM

Speaking of fist pumps, SNY is running a commercial now (I think for Mets tickets) featuring highlights from the year. One of them is of Glavine, walking off the mound, doing a fist pump. (I think it's the Sunday night MFY game reacting to a double play). Anyway, the clip is hilarious. It shows Glavine getting excited, pumping his fist, then, as if suddenly remembering he is in public, abrubtly regaining his composure and returning to his stoic face.

Classic.

Elster88
Jun 14 2006 11:21 AM

I'll admit it. I have no idea why all those guys have televsions for heads. That makes no sense to me.

metirish
Jun 14 2006 11:23 AM

I'm more concerned about no antena on the TV's.

MFS62
Jun 14 2006 11:25 AM

metirish wrote:
I'm more concerned about no antena on the TV's.


Maybe they have a cable up their butts.

Later

Elster88
Jun 14 2006 02:02 PM

oops.

Elster88
Jun 15 2006 04:54 PM

I think it's evident that the Met broadcasters are willing to get on the Met players. Or at least Lastings Milledge.

Not homers, I says.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 15 2006 06:22 PM

While I was killing time during last night's rain delay, I sent SNY an e-mail at sportsnetnewyork@sny.tv -

]In general, I really enjoy SNY and I watch it often. However, I am finding the anti-smoking public service announcements to make the station increasingly unwatchable. How many times per day do we have to see the Voice Box Guy? The ads are so gross as to be unwatchable and, thus, they hamper the anti-smoking cause more than they help it. I don't watch SNY to get grossed out - I watch it to see the Mets. To see these ads constantly throughout the day is spoiling my viewing experience.
Public service ads are a great thing, but can you show some that aren't so disgusting? You'll influence more smokers and lose fewer sports fans if you run clever ads rather than those that you are currently showing.
Thank you,


I suggest that any of you who are tired of these ads write a quick e-mail of your own on the subject. If they hear from enough disgruntled viewers, perhaps they'll be less inclined to gross us out so frequently.

Centerfield
Jun 15 2006 06:27 PM

Well said Scarlett.

For the record, I have no problem with local announcers being "homers" to the extent they are fans. Gary and Howie have no qualms about representing themselves as fans and you only need to listen for ten minutes to recognize their rooting interest.

My problem with local announcers is when their narrow-minded view of their team affects their ability to view things in an unbiased manner.

Add to that the sense of entitlement reflected in a guy like Michael Kay and you can understand why I hate him so much.

I also hate guys who are more concerned with self-promotion than the game. So of course, you can understand why I dislike Sterling...and to a lesser extent, Chris Berman. I like Berman when he does NFL primetime, his schtick is great for highlight shows...but when were live Chris, leave the nicknames at home.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 15 2006 07:53 PM

Articles in the Daily News both yesterday and today mentioned how well those commericals are working, how they're inspiring people to make the effort to quit.

Elster88
Jun 15 2006 10:19 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:
While I was killing time during last night's rain delay, I sent SNY an e-mail at sportsnetnewyork@sny.tv -

]In general, I really enjoy SNY and I watch it often. However, I am finding the anti-smoking public service announcements to make the station increasingly unwatchable. How many times per day do we have to see the Voice Box Guy? The ads are so gross as to be unwatchable and, thus, they hamper the anti-smoking cause more than they help it. I don't watch SNY to get grossed out - I watch it to see the Mets. To see these ads constantly throughout the day is spoiling my viewing experience.
Public service ads are a great thing, but can you show some that aren't so disgusting? You'll influence more smokers and lose fewer sports fans if you run clever ads rather than those that you are currently showing.
Thank you,


I suggest that any of you who are tired of these ads write a quick e-mail of your own on the subject. If they hear from enough disgruntled viewers, perhaps they'll be less inclined to gross us out so frequently.


In their defense there is a new one which is much easier to deal with. The same guy is simply walking by a pool saying how he used to love swimming, but he can't anymore because he would drown if water got in the hole in his throat. And that to me is a good commercial. It gets your attention with the guy using his amplifier to talk, and gets the message across that he can't even go swimming anymore.


I haven't seen the one where he takes a shower since I saw this new one.

Elster88
Jun 15 2006 10:21 PM

Centerfield wrote:
For the record, I have no problem with local announcers being "homers" to the extent they are fans. Gary and Howie have no qualms about representing themselves as fans and you only need to listen for ten minutes to recognize their rooting interest.

My problem with local announcers is when their narrow-minded view of their team affects their ability to view things in an unbiased manner.


Yeah, that's what I meant, too. I have heard charges levelled against the Met broadcasters that they wouldn't dare speak ill of the Mets or any of the players. Howie, Keith and Ron spent an entire half-inning going over Milledge's baserunning blunder. In fact, I thought that they went a little overboard, I think they showed the play about ten times from different angles, and they didn't talk about anything else for the entire half inning following the play.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 12 2006 05:06 PM

Nice memory of Ron Darling posted today:

http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0345&tabno=7

(Scroll down to Maria.)

It's hard to imagine Tom Seaver treating Maria the way that Ron did.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 12 2006 06:21 PM

It's a nice story.

I always had a thing for Ron. Looks, brains, a World Series Ring, an All-Star ring - the definition of the perfect man :)

Iubitul
Jul 12 2006 07:29 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:
It's a nice story.

I always had a thing for Ron. Looks, brains, a World Series Ring, an All-Star ring - the definition of the perfect man :)


Who are you kidding? It's all about the Ivy. Elitist.

;-)

ScarletKnight41
Jul 12 2006 07:59 PM

There's nothing wrong with having a good education :p

Elster88
Jul 18 2006 07:44 PM

You know what? Keith is a good color man.

Vic Sage
Jul 19 2006 12:56 PM

Keith and Ron together are terrific.

metirish
Jul 19 2006 01:11 PM

Read Kenny Choi's blog and have a laugh.

http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060717&content_id=1405398&vkey=1

]But until Wright wins four rings with the Mets, the 'Lord of the Rings' is still Jeter.

SteveJRogers
Jul 19 2006 01:15 PM

metirish wrote:
Read Kenny Choi's blog and have a laugh.

http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060717&content_id=1405398&vkey=1

]But until Wright wins four rings with the Mets, the 'Lord of the Rings' is still Jeter.


HA! Then Jeter still has a long way to go, because Lawrence Peter Berra has what, 13 rings as a uniformed personel (10 as a player 3 as a coach) so the Lord of the Rings in this town is still Yogi Berra! And Bill Dickey/Frank Crosetti are also in that range

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 19 2006 01:33 PM

Kenny Choi: Not a writer.

Vic Sage
Jul 19 2006 01:51 PM

]But here's why Yankee fans love the 'Captain': he's all about team and there is no "I" in Derek Jeter.


wow. did he actually pull out that hoary old chestnut? What style!

And while he's correct that there is no "I" in Derek Jeter, lets see what there IS:

DEREK JETER
jerk
drek
terd
jeer
eek
reek
retj
deter
eet drek
der jerk

That's alot of bad stuff in Derek Jeter, even without an "I".

metirish
Jul 19 2006 01:56 PM

That's good stuff Vic.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 19 2006 01:58 PM

There's no WE in Derek Jeter, either. Unless he decides to develop a lisp.

Willets Point
Jul 19 2006 02:29 PM

]eet drek


Is that Dutch?

Vic Sage
Jul 20 2006 04:54 PM

no its Phonetic Yiddish.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 20 2006 09:54 PM

I was out today and wasn't able to watch the game. Just now, it was so nice to be able to turn on SNY to see the rebroadcast of the 10th inning.

I love having our own channel.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 25 2006 12:51 PM

The new issue of Columbia College Today has a nice feature article about Gary Cohen (CC '81).

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 25 2006 01:01 PM

[url]http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jul_aug06/features2.php[/url]

metirish
Jul 25 2006 01:45 PM

Good article on Cohen, thanks for posting....imagine Cohen and George Stephanopoulos doing a soccer game together....

ScarletKnight41
Jul 25 2006 02:42 PM

It seems wrong that the photo caption doesn't refer to Ron Darling as being a 1982 Yale grad.

Centerfield
Jul 25 2006 03:18 PM

Vic Sage wrote:
]But here's why Yankee fans love the 'Captain': he's all about team and there is no "I" in Derek Jeter.


wow. did he actually pull out that hoary old chestnut? What style!

And while he's correct that there is no "I" in Derek Jeter, lets see what there IS:

DEREK JETER
jerk
drek
terd
jeer
eek
reek
retj
deter
eet drek
der jerk

That's alot of bad stuff in Derek Jeter, even without an "I".


Don't forget RED TERD...something for which you should consult your doctor right away...

metirish
Jul 27 2006 10:10 AM

From the Mets notes in the Daily News...

]

... David Cone, escorted by Jeff Wilpon, visited the Mets' clubhouse yesterday morning. Cone has an open invitation to join SNY, but family is taking precedence at the moment. ...

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 27 2006 10:24 AM

That's pretty much what he told Keith and Gary in the broadcast booth. He has a four-month-old baby, and he's doing the Mr. Mom thing.

MFS62
Jul 27 2006 10:47 AM

Major kudos to SNY.
Most of the other tv stations on which I've seen games have done something that drove me nuts. It involved the timing of showing individual player stats during an at bat.

It seemed that when a player came to bat for the first time in a game, during the first pitch the first camera shot would be a full face closeup, no graphics/stats shown. The season stats would then be shown on the second pitch. And it seemed the announcers wouldn't tell you the stats until they flashed on the screen during that second pitch.

But if the batter put the ball in play on that first pitch, we never were told how they were doing. This was very irritating early in the season (for rookies we didn't know about) or later in the season if we hadn't seen that team play for a long time ( to know who was hot, not and shot). And to compound the problem, many stations didn't repeat season stats when the batter came up later on the game. If they showed anything at all, it was usually what the batter had done earlier in that game - only.

SNY shows us those stats on the first pitch.

NOTE: Of course, we already know all the information we need from our fabulous KTEs.

But, good job anyhow, SNY. You're doing it right.

Later

metirish
Jul 28 2006 11:55 AM

I had the Cyclone game on last night and I was wondering who the hell is the pbp guy, I knew the voice, it was Chris Carlin from the WFAN, and the color guy was Mike Glavine, both were terrible.

Elster88
Jul 28 2006 12:02 PM

Considering how crappy some major league teams' broadcast teams are, I'm not surprised that SNY had to resort to them for the Cyclones game.

TransMonk
Jul 28 2006 10:54 PM

Time for stat checker on Post Game Live after the 7/28 game.

Steve Berthiaume was interviewing Keith after the game and mentioned how good it was that Wright got his first HR since the AS break. Keith then mentioned that Wright had a HR in Chicago.

Steve then threw it down to Chris Cotter who interviewed Wright. Same question: How does it feel to have your first HR since July 9th. David said that actually he had one in Chicago.

After the next commercial break, Steve recapped the game again. Again he mentioned how good it was that David hit a HR since he hadn't had one since the AS break. He then said, "He did have a couple in Pittsburgh...but those don't count."

Jeez, how many times can you get the same thing wrong?

metirish
Jul 28 2006 10:56 PM

I mean WTF?....that is amazing that Keith did not tell Gary after he said the same thing twice...

cooby
Jul 28 2006 11:06 PM

Maybe the one in Chicago didn't count either

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 09:50 AM

Not a good day for Keith yesterday.

A pretty big geography slip-up (see the 7/30 IGT).

Gary and Chris talk about how Adam LaRoche suffers from ADD and it's been tough at times for him since reaching the majors.

Keith: "They've got names for everything now, don't they?"
Gary: [says nothing, dead silence, for 5-10 seconds]

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 09:55 AM

Actually, in a shallow Seinfeld sense, that's a pretty funny comment.

Keith's going to hang himself a few more times before he's done, but I'm probably going to enjoy it.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 09:58 AM

I agree. Keith is a bit of a loose cannon behind the mike, but I find it refreshing and entertaining.

I was stuck with the TBS broadcast yesterday, so I didn't get to hear any of that.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 10:32 AM

Hey did you guys see that Mets Weakly segment where the 10th grader recorded an updated version of "Meet the Mets"? I gotta say, that kid rocked ass: Respectful of the original, but updated better than than the lame 80s version.

Bring your girlfriend, bring your ex.

Gwreck
Jul 31 2006 11:08 AM

I forgot the other great moment from yesterday:

Can't remember the context, but something came up about the idea of "women staying at home, cleaning, cooking" or stereotypes to that effect.

Keith: "No comment."
Gary: "Good job."

Willets Point
Jul 31 2006 11:38 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:

Bring your girlfriend, bring your ex.


One or the other will want to have sex?

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 11:43 AM

They edited sound over the rhyme! It prolly was.

Five cyberbuxx and a free popcorn to the first one to find the video or the kids myspace page

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 11:44 AM

I win!

[url]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=89198748[/url]

Iubitul
Jul 31 2006 11:45 AM

Gwreck wrote:
I forgot the other great moment from yesterday:

Can't remember the context, but something came up about the idea of "women staying at home, cleaning, cooking" or stereotypes to that effect.

Keith: "No comment."
Gary: "Good job."


They were showing the met fan wearing a veil, and her friend - presumably her husband - holding a broom...

Keith made a comment about it being one heck of a honeymoon if she was still wearing her veil, and Gary made a comment about her already doling out the household chores, since he was holding a broom.

Classic.

metirish
Jul 31 2006 11:49 AM

Yes that was very funny,as a team Gary and Keith get better with each game,hell I'm even starting to warm up to Chris Cotter.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 31 2006 11:51 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Hey did you guys see that Mets Weakly segment where the 10th grader recorded an updated version of "Meet the Mets"? I gotta say, that kid rocked ass: Respectful of the original, but updated better than than the lame 80s version.

Bring your girlfriend, bring your ex.


I did hear that on the show. Thanks for the link :)

Elster88
Jul 31 2006 11:52 AM

Iubitul wrote:
="Gwreck"]I forgot the other great moment from yesterday:

Can't remember the context, but something came up about the idea of "women staying at home, cleaning, cooking" or stereotypes to that effect.

Keith: "No comment."
Gary: "Good job."


They were showing the met fan wearing a veil, and her friend - presumably her husband - holding a broom...

Keith made a comment about it being one heck of a honeymoon if she was still wearing her veil, and Gary made a comment about her already doling out the household chores, since he was holding a broom.

Classic.


I remember the girl with the veil, but I don't remember the No Comment-Good Job exchange. Must be getting senile.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 12:01 PM

New York Yankees
We're gonna kick you in the spleens
Cuz we're the M-E-T-S Mets
Represent from Queens

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 12:04 PM

That was some fine adaptin'. The kid even salvaged some lyrics from the eighties version.

Some bad rhymes at the end, and he mistakenly thinks black is one of the Mets colors, but really, better than I've heard in a while.

I cut a song this weekend also.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 31 2006 12:04 PM

]The Fans are True To The BlackOrange and Blue


Classic :)

ScarletKnight41
Jul 31 2006 12:05 PM

Edgy and SK similarity ranking - not that high today.

Was your song a Mets song?

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 12:06 PM

Not this time.

Willets Point
Jul 31 2006 12:26 PM

Edgy DC wrote:

I cut a song this weekend also.


Wow. I cut a fart this weekend.

Edgy DC
Jul 31 2006 12:27 PM

Was the tape rolling?

Willets Point
Jul 31 2006 12:29 PM

Oh lord, my last post is on the top of the page. I have to more careful about letting things like that just slip out in such prominent places.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2006 12:34 PM

I can still smell it.

Yancy Street Gang
Jul 31 2006 01:08 PM

Ick. It smells like squid.

Iubitul
Jul 31 2006 01:35 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Ick. It smells like squid.


Great - now I have to clean my monitor again.... I hope the fruit punch won't stain...

ScarletKnight41
Jul 31 2006 02:08 PM

Iubitul wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]Ick. It smells like squid.


Great - now I have to clean my monitor again.... I hope the fruit punch won't stain...


You mean the Kool Aid?

;)

Giant Squidlike Creature
Aug 29 2006 12:16 PM

Bump.

MFS62
Aug 29 2006 12:25 PM

Giant Squidlike Creature wrote:
Bump.


Bump?
You can't fool us.
You just like squid-smelling fart jokes.

Later

Frayed Knot
Sep 02 2006 09:14 AM

One advantage to having SNY is simply to give you an alternative to SportsCenter.
Just TRY getting baseball news/highlites via SC on a weekend. Even though the only football games right now are exhibition pro games (oh, excuse me, "Pre-Season" games - the NFL gets all bent out of shape if they're referred to as exhibition) and the earliest of meaningless non-division college games, SC treats those as much more important.
I'm watching SC last night after the game and wind up sitting through 15 minutes worth of the likes of Toledo Univ playing SW Oregon State (or whatever) plus 3rd string pros in games even the guys playing don't care about before they concede to showing 10 or 15 seconds worth of games with direct bearing on the pennant race.

And God forbid if T.O. sneezed or actually uttered something because then there'll need to be 10 minutes of analysis there too.

MFS62
Sep 02 2006 09:48 AM

Amen to dat.

I felt the very same feelings last night.
But I think that football team was from South West Mississippi A & I Male Nurses College.

Later

KC
Sep 02 2006 10:02 AM

FK: >>>And God forbid if T.O. sneezed or actually uttered something<<<

Or farted, or he farted and Parcells smelled it and it smelled like he wasn't
practicing his farts properly enough to fart in an actual game yet ...

MFS62
Sep 15 2006 10:27 AM

The guy who covers sports media for the Daily News had a fun article about Gary Cohen today.
Unfortunately, my local LAN speed is turgid today, and I can't get the daily news site to download/open.
If someone has better luck geting to the article, can they please post it?
Thanks,
Later

SteveJRogers
Sep 15 2006 10:41 AM

I love a good "Then to Now" promo and certaintly the SNY McGraw-Orosco-Wagner one is fun, but a few things need to be said:

1) Tug would not inherit the "THE GUY" label untill 1971-1972. Ron Taylor was the main guy out of the committee they had in 1969, and even then the role of a closer was still nebulous as the Save Rule had JUST been created that year

2) This goes along with KC's point in an IGT a few days ago about Bobby Valentine's ommission in a Best Manager All Time poll, but the curious ommission of Franco/Benitiez (and even current Brave pitching coach Roger McDowell) does smack of a "clue" for conspiracy theorists looking for SNY's pro-current Met personel and those who still have good relations with the Mets bias. Course they were going for guys on World Championship winning teams, but still, no Roger? Hmmmm

Edgy DC
Sep 15 2006 10:49 AM

McGraw-Orosco-Wagner is an all-lefty continuum, so that may explain the absence of Benitez and Taylor (Lockwood, Allen, Sisk, etc.). The absence of Franco (and, less-so, Randy Myers) is far more curious.

But McGraw and Orosco are championship closers (even if McGraw shared the primordal closer job with Dr. Taylor) and potentially Wagner is also.

At least, that would be my spin if I worked in the Met PR department.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 15 2006 11:00 AM

]New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com

In TV booth, Cohen
gets the picture


BOB RAISSMAN
Friday, September 15th, 2006

While the fate of Western civilization did not rest on whether Gary Cohen could make the transition from the Mets' radio booth to being the team's TV voice on SportsNet New York, inquiring minds were asking whether he could.
Cohen was talking about this the other day. With the end of his first season on television closing in, Cohen arrived at a conclusion that must be disappointing to those insisting that some sort of mystical power, and a thorough knowledge of thermography, are necessary to describe Jose Reyes scoring from first on a single down the right field line.

"It (going from radio to TV) is not nearly as difficult as some people make it out to be," Cohen said.

Still, this does not mean Cohen's rookie TV season has been Charmin soft. After all, working with Keith Hernandez can be ... well, let's just rewind the tape to Wednesday night. Mets-Marlins. Bottom of the third inning.

Director Bill Webb had SNY's cameras focused on three empty hot tubs in an area of Dolphin Stadium known as "Bud Beach."

"You figure it's the last game of the home stand. The Marlins will soon be out of town," Cohen said. "You would figure some group would be hanging out down there."

Hernandez, overcome by a "Caddyshack" flashback, responded by saying: "Maybe they found a Baby Ruth floating in there (the hot tubs) or something."

Cohen reacted appropriately. He just laughed. A really long, loud laugh.

Working with Hernandez is challenging. Remember when Mex ripped the female trainer stationed in the Padres' dugout?

While that incident was extreme, it served notice that this booth would be freewheeling. SNY's offering would not be a Popular Mechanics version of baseball. No seamhead-itis here. Personality and conversational analysis would take precedence over pitch counts and on-base percentages.

Hernandez unplugged may not be for the weak or faint of heart, but it shows a guy realizing his full potential. It also showed just how miscast and misused Hernandez was by the blundering suits at MSG Network who made Fran Healy their featured Mets analyst in 2005. By no means a wallflower, Ron Darling also has made his personality a major part of SNY's Mets telecasts.

So, the true transition Cohen made from radio to TV is not about having a producer talking in his ear. Or having to pay more attention to the pictures on the monitor rather than looking out at the field. Cohen has shown great skill in mixing it up with Hernandez, Darling or both.

He has brought the best out of both of them.

"The biggest thing with Keith - and Ron too - is we've had a great time together. And having a team that's had such a huge lead over the past couple of months has allowed us to loosen up even more," Cohen said. "Keith has fully invested himself in being a broadcaster. Ron has improved by leaps and bounds. He is in a position where he can be considered one of the elite guys in our business."

The type of interaction between Cohen and his partners is certainly different from his radio days when he only worked with other play-by-play men. Yet Cohen disagrees, saying he and Howie Rose engaged in a similar style when they were paired in the WFAN Mets radio booth.

"Maybe more people are paying attention now because the Mets are good and I'm on television rather than radio," Cohen said.

While Cohen has taken advantage of the benefits of TV, there is one important thing only Mets radio can provide. Once the regular season ends, so will Cohen's play-by-play ride. The playoffs are a national-TV-only affair. Unlike the years when Cohen worked the playoffs - and one World Series - on WFAN, he will find himself in a different role, which will be working on SNY's pregame and postgame shows.

"It will be different, but it was not something I wasn't aware of when I signed up (with SNY). I knew when I decided to make the move that was part of the deal," Cohen said. "What I'll try to do is enjoy my role in SNY's coverage and be as big a part of that as I can."

And when the ride ends for the 2006 Mets, Cohen can look back at a memorable year. Besides having to deal with this new TV spotlight, he missed part of the season after undergoing an emergency appendectomy. There also was that day in Washington when his off-air mocking of Willie Randolph and Victor Zambrano leaked on the air through an open microphone.

Yeah, now more people recognize him. And he is stopped more often to sign autographs. Still, with one season of TV under his belt, Gary Cohen can find comfort in one undeniable fact.

"The subject matter," Cohen said, "is still the same."

MFS62
Sep 15 2006 11:06 AM

Thanks,
Later

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 15 2006 11:09 AM

The problem wasn't on your end, 62. The Daily News web site was awfully slow for me, too.

Rotblatt
Sep 15 2006 11:38 AM

Watching the national crew during the playoffs instead of Gary, Mex & Ron is going to fucking blow chunks.

Whatever schlubs they trot out there aren't going to be nearly as knowledgable as our boys, and I doubt they'll be half as entertaining either.

Sigh.

I suppose there are worse problems to have, though.

metirish
Sep 15 2006 11:42 AM

I suppose they could have Ron and Keith do studio work, I just hope FOX doesn't have Lou Piniella in the booth.

Willets Point
Sep 15 2006 11:44 AM

Be on your guard for Curt Schilling, Color Commentator.

SteveJRogers
Sep 15 2006 11:47 AM

Rotblatt wrote:
Watching the national crew during the playoffs instead of Gary, Mex & Ron is going to fucking blow chunks.

Whatever schlubs they trot out there aren't going to be nearly as knowledgable as our boys, and I doubt they'll be half as entertaining either.

Sigh.

I suppose there are worse problems to have, though.


Funny example of parachuting during the 1999 NLDS. Chris Berman talking about Timo Perez as a "hot prospect" from the minors!

Valadius
Sep 15 2006 11:50 AM

This is why they should have had a post-season clause in Gary's contract that would have him do the radio broadcasts when the big networks jumped in on TV.

Willets Point
Sep 15 2006 11:54 AM

SteveJRogers wrote:

Funny example of parachuting during the 1999 NLDS.


I only remember parachuting in the 1986 World Series.

Centerfield
Sep 15 2006 12:03 PM

Valadius wrote:
This is why they should have had a post-season clause in Gary's contract that would have him do the radio broadcasts when the big networks jumped in on TV.


For real. Would anyone even miss Tom McCarthy?

Rotblatt
Sep 15 2006 12:04 PM

]This is why they should have had a post-season clause in Gary's contract that would have him do the radio broadcasts when the big networks jumped in on TV.


Yes! I would have loved that. Although Howie and what's-his-name are a'ight. I listened to them for the first time this last Saturday, and I think I could get used to 'em.

Valadius
Sep 15 2006 12:07 PM

Honestly, I think one of the major reasons they selected Tom McCarthy to replace Gary is because he sounds very similar to Gary, but nowhere near as enthusiastic.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 15 2006 12:11 PM

It's funny, but I haven't heard more than an inning or two on the radio all season. I think part of the reason is that I'm watching so many games on TiVo-delay.

By the way, if the Mets clinch tonight I won't know about it until about 9 tomorrow morning! I've really become hooked on Saturday morning baseball. I usually start the game at around 6:30 a.m.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 15 2006 01:04 PM

McCarthy's knowledge is just fine (in fact it's good), he seems to get along with Howie well and he's earnest and honest and concise -- but IMO he just doesn't pull the moving parts of plays together as quickly as I'd like.

When he calls a hit with runners on 1st and 2nd, for example, I need to know in like 5 seconds where the runner on 1st went to, but often find Tom is still telling us that the runner on 2nd scored when that moment comes and goes. The play's all messed up in my head after that, and my mind wanders.

That's something that Gary always provided: A rundown of what happened on the field just as quickly as he (and you the listener/imaginer) processed it.

soupcan
Sep 15 2006 01:18 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
It's funny, but I haven't heard more than an inning or two on the radio all season. I think part of the reason is that I'm watching so many games on TiVo-delay.

By the way, if the Mets clinch tonight I won't know about it until about 9 tomorrow morning! I've really become hooked on Saturday morning baseball. I usually start the game at around 6:30 a.m.


How do you work that with kids?

Isn't the wife just up your ass to get out from in front of the tube and 'do something' with the young 'uns?

Oh wise master please enlighten me.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 15 2006 01:49 PM

Every family has its own dynamic, I guess. If I tried to watch the game as it aired on Friday evening I'd have a much tougher time.

At 6:30 a.m. my wife is still asleep and my kids haven't shaken off their grogginess yet. I provide them with breakfast, and whatever else they need from me, and then I fire up the TiVo.

The NLDS is going to be a bit of a challenge. My wife is going to be out of town the week of October 2. I'll be a solo parent of two with postseason baseball to absorb me. I'm glad TiVo has a pause button.

metirish
Sep 15 2006 02:31 PM

I just entered the "best of barbados" vacation givaway on SNY.com....fingers crossed...:)

Centerfield
Sep 15 2006 02:59 PM

I just found out that the awful song they play in the Barbados commercial is actually a song released on the radio. And that the girl in the commercial is the real singer and not just a model hired to lip synch.

ScarletKnight41
Sep 16 2006 08:00 PM

The new anti-smoking ad is way more palatable than voice box guy. Hopefully his ads are gone for good!

Valadius
Sep 16 2006 08:01 PM

Oh geez, the voice box dude is nasty!

martin
Sep 16 2006 09:35 PM

Centerfield wrote:
I just found out that the awful song they play in the Barbados commercial is actually a song released on the radio. And that the girl in the commercial is the real singer and not just a model hired to lip synch.


that kid in the commercial, the one in the cave, i dont like him, he has a little too much 'tude.

ScarletKnight41
Sep 25 2006 09:59 PM

This mornings Mets Fast Forward didn't show us Phil Humber's MLB debut inning from yesterday. I was disappointed about that.

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2006 11:10 PM

Discussions during both Sunday's game and tonight's mentioned Darling's wife being in/returning from Seattle for the Giants/SHawks game.
Is this current version of Mrs. D some sort of on-air personality or just a faceless cog in the machine?



What a stupid term: "On-air personality"

metirish
Sep 25 2006 11:15 PM

Maybe Ron is married to Julie Donaldson,she was out in Seattle covering the game for SNY.

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2006 11:21 PM

Bob Raissman was speculating in the NYDN about whether, during the NYM clinching celebration, the SNY directors were going for the cheesy shot by keeping their cameras on the dripping wet Julie Donaldson a bit longer than they did with a soaking Chris Cotter.


Ummm, of course they did Bob!!

metirish
Sep 25 2006 11:24 PM

Well yeah of course they did....I like Cotter,infact I think SNY did a great job this season,congrats to them and please leave keith alone.

Centerfield
Sep 26 2006 10:14 AM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Discussions during both Sunday's game and tonight's mentioned Darling's wife being in/returning from Seattle for the Giants/SHawks game.
Is this current version of Mrs. D some sort of on-air personality or just a faceless cog in the machine?



What a stupid term: "On-air personality"


Ron Darling is always talking about his boys...I'm guessing these must be from his prior marriage to that model, Toni. And I guess that the boys live with Ron and the current Mrs. Darling, whoever that may be.

HahnSolo
Sep 26 2006 03:02 PM

Ron Darling, hopeless romantic...

[url]http://insideweddings.com/real-weddings/9/thats-amore/[/url]

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 26 2006 03:22 PM

xcellent find

HahnSolo
Sep 26 2006 04:55 PM

Who, me or Ron?

MFS62
Sep 28 2006 01:53 PM

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets0928-sub,0,4551010.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

Good News.

Later

metirish
Sep 28 2006 01:54 PM

Very cool news.

MFS62
Sep 28 2006 01:58 PM

Has anyone read which teams of announcers we'll get on the nationally televised games?

Later

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 28 2006 02:00 PM

]
Cohen back on radio for Mets playoffs

By Neil Best
Newsday Staff Writer


September 28, 2006, 1:00 PM EDT

Gary Cohen, SportsNet New York's play-by-play man for Mets games, will work two innings in each of the team's playoff games in the WFAN booth with Howie Rose and Tom McCarthy.

Cohen, a Mets radio announcer from 1989-2005, cannot call the games on television because during the playoffs all games appear on national TV. So for months Cohen has assumed he would be limited to pre- and post-game coverage on SNY.

That changed when WFAN invited him to join the radio team in addition to his SNY work. SNY gave its blessing, as did Rose and McCarthy. Cohen will do color commentary alongside Rose in fifth and play-by-play alongside McCarthy in sixth.

"I couldn't be more thrilled," Cohen Thursday morning. He thanked Rose and McCarthy for "incredible graciousness" in welcoming him back into the radio booth.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 28 2006 02:02 PM

I suspect that they won't announce the announcers until the matchups are established.

My guess is that Tim McCarver and Joe Buck will be doing the Yankees games. Or they may jump around and do whatever game is on prime time.



That's nice about Gary Cohen. I won't be hearing any of it though (unless my cable goes out or something) as I'll be glued to the television throughout the Mets playoff run, however long it lasts.

MFS62
Sep 28 2006 02:06 PM

Uh, Yancy.
That was what I linked to a few posts above.

Although I have to admit, it looks a heckuva' lot better when you don't have to look at the Yankee promo on that page.

Later

Gwreck
Sep 28 2006 02:13 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
That's nice about Gary Cohen. I won't be hearing any of it though (unless my cable goes out or something) as I'll be glued to the television throughout the Mets playoff run, however long it lasts.


Why not use the radio and mute the TV?

ScarletKnight41
Sep 28 2006 02:17 PM

MFS62 wrote:
Uh, Yancy.
That was what I linked to a few posts above.


Later


Yes, but Yancy made it convenient for us to know what the article was about without having to click the link. When people are pressed for time, it's not convenient to click a link if there's no indication what the article is about.

BTW, Thanks Yancy.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 28 2006 02:19 PM

MFS62 wrote:
Uh, Yancy.
That was what I linked to a few posts above.


I know. That's how I found it.

Centerfield
Sep 28 2006 02:51 PM

WFAN Boss: Hey Tom, how you doing? Getting geared up for the post-season?

Tom McCarthy: Absolutely boss. I can’t wait.

WB: Good good. You don’t know how lucky you are. You know, when Gary Cohen was here, it was 13 years before he got to call a post-season game and here you are getting a chance in your first.

TM: Oh yeah definitely, I feel lucky for sure.

WB: You know, it sure is a shame Gary won’t get to call the post-season games this year. What a waste it is to limit him to post-game.

TM: Yeah, it sure is a shame.

WB: I mean, he’s basically been the voice of the Mets over the last 20 years or so. It’s just not fair.

TM: (getting uncomfortable)

WB: I would even say some fans will feel like they’re missing something because they won’t be able to hear Gary’s legendary calls.

TM: I’m sure Gary will be excited about his TV role.

WB: Oh, absolutely. Besides, we’ve got you now. (slaps Tom on the back) I’m sure with time the fans will grow to love you too.

TM: (smiling awkwardly) Thanks boss. That means a lot...

WB: It’s just a shame is all.

-silence-

TM: You know, I guess if Gary were interested, it wouldn’t be so bad if he stopped by the booth for a visit or two...

WB: Oh yeah? That’s a great idea Tom! I’ll tell you what, you take a break during the middle innings and I’ll have Gary come in and do play-by-play!

TM: Well, I didn’t really mean...I just...I mean I could still do the play-by-

WB: Boy the fans are gonna love this. You really are a team player Tom!

TM: Maybe we could share the play-by-play, like I could take a pitch and then Gary could....

WB: And then if it goes well, we can talk to Gary about increasing his role. That was a great idea Tom. Boy, October is looking better already!

TM: Um, ok. Great.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 28 2006 02:56 PM

I was thinking that they ought to shove Tom out of the booth in favor of Gary after the 8th inning. That way if there are any memorable game-ending plays, Gary and/or Howie would get to do the call.

I have nothing against Tom McCarthy, by the way. I don't even know what he sounds like. For probably the first time since 1971 I've gone the whole year without listening to Mets baseball on the radio.

Centerfield
Sep 28 2006 03:25 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I was thinking that they ought to shove Tom out of the booth in favor of Gary after the 8th inning. That way if there are any memorable game-ending plays, Gary and/or Howie would get to do the call.


Yup. (c)

HahnSolo
Sep 28 2006 04:00 PM

I like Gary and all, but my postseason would not have been marred if I don't hear him calling a Mets game.

soupcan
Sep 29 2006 01:32 PM

M & MD are making quite the fuss over this, saying that Cohen initiated this and that it is patently unfair to both McCarthy and Rose (although it is McCarthy whose air time will be pruned back) and is 'just wrong'.

Not sure I see what the big deal is but then again sports broadcasting is not my field. Maybe Gary oversteps by trying to stick his nose back into the radio booth? Does McCarthy feel slighted in this situation?

I don't know. I must assume they have some insight into this situation that I don't since they work for FAN and know all the players in this drama.

They also alluded to a frosty relationship that Cohen had with Bob Murphy that I'd always suspected but never had any evidence of.

Edgy DC
Sep 29 2006 01:38 PM

How do they know that Cohen initiated this?

metirish
Sep 29 2006 01:39 PM

]

They also alluded to a frosty relationship that Cohen had with Bob Murphy that I'd always suspected but never had any evidence of.


I've heard that one several times but never any reasons given,Gary has nothing but good things to say about Bob when he talks about him on air.

soupcan
Sep 29 2006 01:41 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
How do they know that Cohen initiated this?


They say 'they know'.

Edgy DC
Sep 29 2006 01:44 PM

Oh, well, OK.

MadDog
Sep 29 2006 01:46 PM

Ah, COME ON, Edge! We don't have to justify anything! I'm a world-class sports talk show host! I can say whatever I want, because Dr. Joseph Dellorusso will still pay us money to run his commercials! I just know these things because I know everything!

And while I'm at it, Pedro Martinez is a candyass!

soupcan
Sep 29 2006 01:48 PM

Well let's assume for the sake of argument that they do know.

They do work there, they are probably privy to conversations, they know the Mets guys, they know the station manager.

If it were true and Cohen did initiate, is he wrong? Is WFAN wrong for allowing it?

Should McCarthy feel put out?

I guess I like to think that it doesn't matter who does what, the more the merrier and what not.

Maybe there is a great deal of cache involved in calling postseason games on the radio, what do I know?

HahnSolo
Sep 29 2006 02:38 PM

metirish wrote:
]

They also alluded to a frosty relationship that Cohen had with Bob Murphy that I'd always suspected but never had any evidence of.


I've heard that one several times but never any reasons given,Gary has nothing but good things to say about Bob when he talks about him on air.


I've heard that Cohen took issue with Murph's smoking in the booth. Beyond that, I don't know how frosty their relationship was.

metsmarathon
Sep 29 2006 02:43 PM

so... the most he's taking from anybody is an inning in the middle fo the game, and i'm supposed to believe this is some huge unfair controversy about who initiated it and why, while just about every mets fan who would listen to the game on the radio is happier as a result?

yawn.

metirish
Sep 29 2006 02:46 PM

I've not listened to an inning on the radio all season so I don't know why I care about this,fo all we know McCarthy and Cohen could be best friends.

G-Fafif
Sep 29 2006 02:46 PM

M&MD are world-class A-holes.

As usual, at their remove from their audience, they miss the point. This isn't about slapping Tom McCarthy or even gratifying Gary Cohen. It's about serving the Mets fan with the best possible broadcast. They have someone who is considered (rightly, I believe) among the best announcers in the business, someone associated with the team like no other current voice, and he is available. Two innings of Gary Cohen is better than no innings of Gary Cohen. Nine (or however many it takes) innings of Gary Cohen would be ideal, but that wish is prohibitive given that Tom McCarthy does have a job.

I've truly stopped listening to M&MD after years of insisting I would. The last time I tuned in for anything but the Willie Randolph report was the day after we clinched when they spit all over it from the top of the show. It may be their cute way of tweaking, but it's no longer fresh and it's not remotely funny. One night they ran over when I turned on the FAN for "Mets Extra" and I was subject to a serious discussion that Carlos Beltran is not a good defensive centerfielder. It was only 30 seconds or so but it convinced me yet again for good that they are the biggest frauds in the media.

There isn't a sinkhole large enough to swallow them, their egos and their immense lack of knowledge and talent. (Insert your own Francesa girth joke here if you like.)

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 29 2006 02:47 PM

If Mike and the Mad Dog think this is an important issue, then I'm sure it is.

They're a lot smarter than we are, you know.

seawolf17
Sep 29 2006 02:49 PM

What Greg said. The problem is, they've been blowhards for so long, they're some sort of institution. I'll admit it, I listen semi-regularly, because the alternative (up the dial, Mr. Yankee Face-Sucker) is even worse and every couple of weeks they actually have an interesting discussion.

Edgy DC
Sep 29 2006 02:51 PM

There are a lot of massive frauds in the media.

Pretty cool that the Mets flagship has the two biggest.

ScarletKnight41
Sep 29 2006 02:55 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
What Greg said. The problem is, they've been blowhards for so long, they're some sort of institution. I'll admit it, I listen semi-regularly, because the alternative (up the dial, Mr. Yankee Face-Sucker) is even worse and every couple of weeks they actually have an interesting discussion.


Those are your only alternatives?

Is your radio broken? Don't you own a CD player?

soupcan
Sep 29 2006 03:03 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 29 2006 03:06 PM

That's all well and good and they are hardly my favorite radio personalities. I keep FAN on in my office because I like the sportstalk in the background and ESPN radio is just as bad if not worse.

I agree that they are both pompous arrogant windbags with their own agendas designed only to promote themselves as experts and influence peddlers.

I'm curious about this Cohen issue though. Sure Mets fans would love it and it would improve the broadcast but is it fair to McCarthy and Rose? Cohen made a decision to move to TV, involved in that decision was the realization that should the Mets get into the postseason (a definite possibility at the time Cohen made his decision) his voice would not be heard.

McCarthy and Rose work as a team all year, developing a rapport and understanding of how the other works. Not an easy thing to do I'm sure. It must take quite some time to find a comfort zone in those kind of relationships.

Now, if you believe that Cohen did initiate this, McCarthy basically gets pushed aside. Its nice that Cohen gets to do postseason games but don't you think McCarthy might have been looking forward to doing them as well?

Maybe McCarthy as the rookie broadcaster is expected to acquiesce and maybe he doesn't have a problem at all. Does Cohen have a professional responsibility to honor Tom's and Howie's work/relationship? I'm just wondering if this even a story.

metirish
Sep 29 2006 03:03 PM

Greg your blog bit on Trax dated Sptember 25 was a great read.

SteveJRogers
Sep 29 2006 03:23 PM

G-Fafif wrote:
M&MD are world-class A-holes.

As usual, at their remove from their audience, they miss the point. This isn't about slapping Tom McCarthy or even gratifying Gary Cohen. It's about serving the Mets fan with the best possible broadcast. They have someone who is considered (rightly, I believe) among the best announcers in the business, someone associated with the team like no other current voice, and he is available. Two innings of Gary Cohen is better than no innings of Gary Cohen. Nine (or however many it takes) innings of Gary Cohen would be ideal, but that wish is prohibitive given that Tom McCarthy does have a job.

I've truly stopped listening to M&MD after years of insisting I would. The last time I tuned in for anything but the Willie Randolph report was the day after we clinched when they spit all over it from the top of the show. It may be their cute way of tweaking, but it's no longer fresh and it's not remotely funny. One night they ran over when I turned on the FAN for "Mets Extra" and I was subject to a serious discussion that Carlos Beltran is not a good defensive centerfielder. It was only 30 seconds or so but it convinced me yet again for good that they are the biggest frauds in the media.

There isn't a sinkhole large enough to swallow them, their egos and their immense lack of knowledge and talent. (Insert your own Francesa girth joke here if you like.)


To be fair though, we'd be killing the Yankees and Michael Kay if he pulled this kind of stunt any time during the 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 postseasons (though in all likelyhood Kay's working for ESPN radio killed any shot of him or the Yankees pulling something like that off)

Its one thing to bring a retired legend like a By Samm in the 1980 WS into the booth or someone who doesn't work the games anymore like Marv Albert in the 2004 Stanley Cup, its another to bring a guy in who calls the games on TV all season just so they can be behind the radio mike for the postseason

Edgy DC
Sep 29 2006 03:26 PM

I kill the Yankees for hiring Michael Kay to call any game any day of the week.

But, if, say, Jim Kaat got a post-season radio assignment when his TV duties ended with the regular season, I'd hope I'd have the sense to commend the Yankees on their sense, if I commented at all.

metsmarathon
Sep 29 2006 03:37 PM

its off topic, but most of the time, francessa sounds like more of a yankee suckup than kay does.

and i really don't think too many of us would really care what the yankees did. if anything, bringing in any guest announcer would be an improvement from what they have currently on the radio. they'd deserve to be commended.

i hardly think, too, that cohen demanded to be put on the air during the playoffs. and even if he did, what leverage does he hold over WFAN anyways?

its not like tom mccarthy is getting shut out of the playoffs, right? he still gets to do everything but one innings' worth of work in the middle of the game, right? i don't see what the big deal is. not one bit.

also, does mccarthy get paid by the inning, or something? its not like cohen is taking food off of tom's table.

an addition to the booth is an addition to the broadcast, as far as this situation is concerned.

Frayed Knot
Sep 29 2006 03:44 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
If Mike and the Mad Dog think this is an important issue, then I'm sure it is.


Well, to them it is; pretty much making a case for Greg's (FaFiF) argument about their disconnect with the audience.
MadDog in particular, who grew up as a true child of the sports/TV age, sees things through that prism almost exclusively and is endlessly facinated by the machinations of radio/TV braodcasts;
- Who's doing what game?
- Why is the #1 team assigned to Jets v Colts instead of ...?
- He always knows which announcers have the lead during which innings of the broadcasts, etc.

In short, this is big stuff to insiders like them (MD in particular) but not particularly to fans. The impact is almost certainly minimal: is anyone really going to tune in (or out) based on 2 innings of drop-in work by GC that wouldn't have anyway?

I remember seeing Katie Couric on a talk show years ago probably not long after she took over the 'Today Show' and was becoming a nationally known name. She was talking about getting an interview with the storymaker-du-jour and how excited she was about beating Barbara Walters to the punch with it ... and you could tell how much it meant to her but, at the same time I'm realizing that virtually no one else cares in the slightest who "scored" the first interview with whoever it was in their 15 minutes of fame. But to her it was (perhaps understandably) everything. It's all in the perspective.




Gary & Murph, in my mind, always suffered from a gap in inter-generational chemistry but I'm not sure if there was more to it than that even though it seems to be an accepted "fact" in some circles.

G-Fafif
Sep 29 2006 04:18 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
To be fair though, we'd be killing the Yankees and Michael Kay if he pulled this kind of stunt any time during the 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 postseasons (though in all likelyhood Kay's working for ESPN radio killed any shot of him or the Yankees pulling something like that off)

Its one thing to bring a retired legend like a By Samm in the 1980 WS into the booth or someone who doesn't work the games anymore like Marv Albert in the 2004 Stanley Cup, its another to bring a guy in who calls the games on TV all season just so they can be behind the radio mike for the postseason


To the extent that a single Mets fan cares what Michael Kay does with his Octobers (and it would be an extraordinarily limited extent), it would be fine if he did Yankee radiocasts. That would guarantee almost none of us would hear him because I doubt many of us would be listening.

Better of course that there are no Yankee games in October, but one miracle at a time.

By Saam's a nice reference, but it was the '76 NLCS the longtime Phillie announcer was brought back for. He had retired a year earlier with failing eyesight, just missing out on Philly's return to postseason.

And Marv Albert? Do you mean '94? He was still the Rangers' radio voice of record then, but missed a ton of games due to basketball commitments. You couldn't argue he wasn't strongly identified with that team at that time.

As for Cohen, he was the radio guy for 17 seasons, the most recent of which was last year. This isn't, say, Dave O'Brien or Ron Darling even being thrown in the radio booth out of the orange and blue for a playoff game.

[And thanks metirish re: trax.]

metirish
Sep 29 2006 09:35 PM

Gary tonight talking about the flight to DC for this series said, - " when Tom McCarthy and I got on the plane we thought we might get to see the game but it was in the ninth inning when we landed".....

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 10:04 AM

Raissman apparantly has alot of problems with Cohen doing some time in the booth

]Gary Groan
Cohen's push for playoff radio time is lame

Gary Cohen will work two innings (one doing play-by-play, the other as an "analyst) of every Mets postseason game on the radio.

Why? And who pushed to have Cohen, the TV voice of the Mets on SportsNet New York, wet his beak in the WFAN Mets radio playoff booth?

Shea spies say it was Cohen himself who lobbied to return to the booth he resided in for 17 seasons. An SNY spokesman refutes that notion, saying it was network boss Jon Litner who came up with the idea.

It really does not matter who pushed for Cohen to work the fifth and sixth innings of every playoff game with either Howie Rose or Tom McCarthy. This is a bad idea. It's gratuitous big-timing at its worst.

Think about it: Cohen, who once told me he had no interest in ever doing TV, nevertheless took a marquee job as SNY's play-by-play voice. Not only is he making more money than he did on the radio, but is receiving tremendous exposure as well.

Obviously all that exposure is not enough. Nor is all the air time Cohen will get working on SNY's pre- and postgame playoff shows. For reasons known only to Cohen, Litner and head FANdroid Mark Chernoff, it has become essential for Cohen to take some of the playoff spotlight away from Rose, McCarthy and Ed Coleman.

Never mind that these voices have worked an entire season on the radio. Never mind that they have more than earned the right to reap the reward of having the playoff booth - and every inning of the playoffs - to themselves. That's a minor detail when the suits decide to bring in their idea of a "star," making Rose, McCarthy and Coleman all look like ham-and-eggers.

Yes, all of a sudden, these three experienced radio guys desperately need Cohen returning to his radio home to show them a thing or two? Yeah, Cohen is coming in to work a couple of innings to make the radio playoff coverage complete. To make it special. That's the gaga spin being sold by FAN and SNY suits.

It's total baloney.

Cohen has made his well-earned reputation as a pure baseball guy. For him, the game has always come first. By agreeing to glom radio time, Cohen is putting himself above the game, and above his fellow announcers. The way this has been presented, it's not just "listen to Mets playoff baseball on WFAN," it's "listen to Mets playoff baseball with the extra added attraction of the one and only Gary Cohen."

How do you think Cohen would've felt if someone flew into his radio coop to work the 2000 Subway Series?

Last month, when asked how he would feel about not doing playoff play-by-play, Cohen said it was something he was "aware" of when he signed with SNY. "What I'll try to do is enjoy my role in SNY's (pre- and postgame) coverage and be as big a part of that as I can," Cohen said in September.

Guess that TV "part" is just not big enough.


Gotta agree with Raissman (as well as Mike and Chris)

Like I said, this isn't bringing in a legend who missed out on calling a postseason because of retirement. I admit I was wrong on the Albert 1994 run, but this really does smack of a guy getting "Buyers Remorse" about not being involved in the P-B-P of postseason games.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 01 2006 10:06 AM

BF friggin' D.

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 10:12 AM

Okay, this forum doesn't give 2 rips about memorabillia except to put in spokes of bikes, and the behind the scenes intrigue of broadcasting.

FWIW Ralph Kiner never pulled such a stunt during the Mets postseason runs of 1986 and 1988. And he'd had been away from the radio booth for 4 years at by 1986! (Yes I know he was part of the 1969 and 1973 coverage but still)

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 01 2006 10:17 AM

I don't give two rips about the behind the scenes intrigue of broadcasting.

If WFAN and SNY and Gary Cohen are okay with him doing a couple of innings, it's okay with me.

Is Tom McCarthy's nose out of joint? I doubt it. And if it is, it's more of a reflection on Tom McCarthy than on Gary Cohen.

ScarletKnight41
Oct 01 2006 10:23 AM

It would be different if Tom was being relieved of his duties in order for Gary to broadcast the games. But we're talking about two frickin' innings. It seems like Raissman has a real bug up his ass if he's so worked up over this.

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 01:07 PM

]Gotta agree with Raissman (as well as Mike and Chris)


And I've got to way disagree. This is no. big. deal.

This is what sports radio personalities do. They make controversy out of nothing, so they have something to rave and spit about and fill the lonely hours for their sponsors.

]For reasons known only to Cohen, Litner and head FANdroid Mark Chernoff...


Mark Chernoff has a long history in radio on both sides of the mic and, as much as I dislike WFAN, probably doesn't deserve that crack.

]...it has become essential for Cohen to take some of the playoff spotlight away from Rose, McCarthy and Ed Coleman.


The playoff spotlight belongs to Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Beltran, Tom Glavine, Carlos Delgado, et al.

It's those making a BFD out of this that are placing announcers above the game.

And Steve's incorrect. Bob Murphy was ill and in bad voice during part of the 1986 post-season and Ralph Kiner filled in for him. There was no "stunt" then and there likely isn't now.

The Mets didn't need the back end of their stellar rotation in 1986, so Sid Fernandez and Rick Aguilera went into the bullpen and Doug Sisk and Randy Niemann dealt with it. It's getting good men to do a good job. The FAN broadcasters have far less to deal with and I imagine they don't see a problem.

In case nobody has noticed, broadcast teams tend to grow in the post-season.

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 02:21 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
And Steve's incorrect. Bob Murphy was ill and in bad voice during part of the 1986 post-season and Ralph Kiner filled in for him. There was no "stunt" then and there likely isn't now.


That I didn't recall, (me being 9 and not listening to the games on the radio and all) but since it was Kiner pinch-hitting for Murph, there is a difference.

]The Mets didn't need the back end of their stellar rotation in 1986, so Sid Fernandez and Rick Aguilera went into the bullpen and Doug Sisk and Randy Niemann dealt with it. It's getting good men to do a good job. The FAN broadcasters have far less to deal with and I imagine they don't see a problem.


That doesn't seem like a great analogy at all. Sisk and Niemann weren't being dropped from the roster so Sid and Augilera would go to the pen. They were all part of the same 24 (I think it was still 24 that year) man roster on 8/31/1986 so it was just moving deck chairs around

I know Rose and McCarthy aren't going to NOT do the games, but this is like if Russo and Francesa liking their time in the booth back in June so much that they decided to do a game this October.

You can't say this isn't about Gary Cohen's ego getting in the way, granted its small potatoes compared to whats going on on-the field, but its still a story

ScarletKnight41
Oct 01 2006 02:22 PM

You can think of it as ego or you can think of it as wanting to be a part of the postseason after working with this team for 17 years.

Either way, it isn't a story.

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 02:25 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:
You can think of it as ego or you can think of it as wanting to be a part of the postseason after working with this team for 17 years.

Either way, it isn't a story.


But its not like he hasn't done postseason games and WS games, and he is slated to be a big part of SNY's pre and post game coverage of EVERY game, including being in the ballpark for all games (I think YES has kept Kay in the Stamford studios for postseason coverage)

ScarletKnight41
Oct 01 2006 02:29 PM

Which is why it should be a no-brainer that he participate in the postseason games in some way.

Don't buy into the party line that there's anything about this situation that makes it newsworthy. You're contributing to the mountain building out of this molehill.

metirish
Oct 01 2006 02:34 PM

this is so amazing to me,I bet Gary,Howie and Tom will end up addressing this in the next few days.

ScarletKnight41
Oct 01 2006 03:27 PM

The guys in the booth are praising Chris Cotter and giving him props on the relationship that he's built up with the players during the course of the season.

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 04:27 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
That I didn't recall, (me being 9 and not listening to the games on the radio and all) but since it was Kiner pinch-hitting for Murph, there is a difference.


The point is you've got your facts wrong.

SteveJRogers wrote:
That doesn't seem like a great analogy at all. Sisk and Niemann weren't being dropped from the roster so Sid and Augilera would go to the pen.


SteveJRogers wrote:
I know Rose and McCarthy aren't going to NOT do the games


So which is it? You're saying one thing then another. Are these guys giving up a roster spot or are they sharing the booth for two innings.

SteveJRogers wrote:
You can't say this isn't about Gary Cohen's ego getting in the way


This isn't about Gary Cohen's ego getting in the way.

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 04:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote:

So which is it? You're saying one thing then another. Are these guys giving up a roster spot or are they sharing the booth for two innings.


Augliera and Sid weren't "hogging" up innings in the back of the Mets pen in the 1986 postseason.

Manager's decision and progative to use his staff the way he saw fit. The best way to win was to use his #4 and 5 starters as long men in the bullpen rather than the 3rd and 4th guys in the pen

Cohen can be seen as "hogging" mike time in the broadcast booth

]
This isn't about Gary Cohen's ego getting in the way


If you want to believe it wasn't his call or not, its still him getting "face time" in the expense of those who have been doing it all year. Something that has no bearing on any outcome of a ball game, hense its all about ego stroking.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 01 2006 04:54 PM

And the reason we should care about this is...?

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 04:59 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
And the reason we should care about this is...?


There are actual people who do like behind the scenes intrigue and poltics of the media industry.

I mean there is a book out about the history of NYC sports broadcasting, and I'm sure WFAN deserves a book written about it someday

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 04:59 PM

And the reason the All Purpose SNY thread exists why?

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 01 2006 05:02 PM

Because we're viewers. Not because we're broadcasting wonks.

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:03 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Because we're viewers. Not because we're broadcasting wonks.


Okay fine, so why is there even a CPF or an UMDB then?

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:09 PM

To some people its just as interesting of a facet of team history as the day and day out player movement and who has played the most games at what position.

Is it an non-story? Well yeah, if Tom and Howie are 100% fine and return for 2007 then yes its a complete one-day news story.

Its still a fun little bit of trivita (sp) in the anals of Met broadcast history

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 05:13 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
Cohen can be seen as "hogging" mike time in the broadcast booth.


You're in the passive voice here. Try, "Manager's decision and progative to use his staff the way he saw fit." That works pretty well for me.

Let it go.
SteveJRogers wrote:
If you want to believe it wasn't his call or not, its still him getting "face time" in the expense of those who have been doing it all year.


I didn't say I believed either way.

Such expense. Please. Nobody is "getting in the way" of anything.

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 05:15 PM

"anals"?

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:15 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
="SteveJRogers"}Cohen can be seen as "hogging" mike time in the broadcast booth.


You're in the passive voice here. Try, "Manager's decision and progative to use his staff the way he saw fit." That works pretty well for me.

Let it go.


And I'm the one who fancies myself as a wannabe sports writer. Geez...

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:15 PM

Double Post...

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:17 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
"anals"?


Again, what did I want to be someday?

Whats the word I'm looking for?

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 05:22 PM

"Annals"?

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2006 05:26 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
"Annals"?


Bingo.

As to the getting in the way, would you feel the same if Russo and Francessa decided, based on their job in June, did an inning of a postseason game? And don't give me the "Cohen did every game, from the TV side" point because it really is the same situation here.

OlerudOwned
Oct 01 2006 05:27 PM

I don't think I'd want to be stuck in the anals of baseball history.

ScarletKnight41
Oct 01 2006 05:30 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Edgy DC"]"Annals"?


Bingo.

As to the getting in the way, would you feel the same if Russo and Francessa decided, based on their job in June, did an inning of a postseason game? And don't give me the "Cohen did every game, from the TV side" point because it really is the same situation here.


You really can't think that this is a persuasive analogy, can you?

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 01 2006 05:31 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]Because we're viewers. Not because we're broadcasting wonks.


Okay fine, so why is there even a CPF or an UMDB then?


Huh?

Umm, to discuss whether or not Gary Cohen is an egomaniac?

soupcan
Oct 01 2006 11:04 PM

Megalomaniac I think would be more apropos, no?

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2006 11:18 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Edgy DC"]"Annals"?


Bingo.

As to the getting in the way, would you feel the same if Russo and Francessa decided, based on their job in June, did an inning of a postseason game? And don't give me the "Cohen did every game, from the TV side" point because it really is the same situation here.


Just how ridiculous are you trying to be?

metsmarathon
Oct 02 2006 12:04 AM

aren't the fan and sny boradcast partners anyways?

why does there need to be any more drama surrounding this than two broadcasting partners pooling their resources in such a fashion as may bring additional enjoyment to die-hard mets fans?

metsmarathon
Oct 02 2006 12:04 AM

aren't the fan and sny boradcast partners anyways?

why does there need to be any more drama surrounding this than two broadcasting partners pooling their resources in such a fashion as may bring additional enjoyment to die-hard mets fans?

cleonjones11
Oct 02 2006 12:34 AM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]Because we're viewers. Not because we're broadcasting wonks.


Okay fine, so why is there even a CPF or an UMDB then?


This is asinine even by my standards

OlerudOwned
Oct 02 2006 12:44 AM

cleonjones11 wrote:
="SteveJRogers"]
="Yancy Street Gang"]Because we're viewers. Not because we're broadcasting wonks.


Okay fine, so why is there even a CPF or an UMDB then?


This is asinine even by my standards

Hoo-boy

Spacemans Bong
Oct 02 2006 01:58 AM

Gary Cohen is the voice of the Mets. Period. If Tom McCarthy doesn't like that, he's welcome to go elsewhere. To complain over this would be some idiot in LA complaining that Charley Steiner is getting short-shrifted by Vin Scully taking over the radio duties in the postseason.

Besides, if anything Cohen is giving up money by doing this. He did the Braves-Astros series for ESPN Radio last year, and would almost certainly have been asked to return for another series.

SteveJRogers
Oct 02 2006 07:56 AM

Spacemans Bong wrote:


Besides, if anything Cohen is giving up money by doing this. He did the Braves-Astros series for ESPN Radio last year, and would almost certainly have been asked to return for another series.


He wouldn't, he's working all Met games for SNY's pre and post game coverage

Centerfield
Oct 02 2006 09:14 AM

Steve is the Lastings Milledge of the CPF clubhouse.

Elster88
Oct 02 2006 01:26 PM

Didn't feel like starting a new thread. David Wright on the FAN at 4 today.

G-Fafif
Oct 02 2006 02:43 PM

To an earlier point, Ralph, Rusty and Fran each took three innings in Game 2 of the '86 NLCS when Murph took ill.

To the overriding point, Gary Cohen is the acknowledged flagship voice of the New York Mets. Whether he's not somebody's particular cup of tea is a different matter; that's determined by one's subjective tastes. What cannot be disputed is Gary Cohen's voice is clearly identified as the voice of Mets baseball as of this moment -- not Howie's, not Tom's, not Keith's, not Ron's, not Eddie C.'s He is, in substance if not quite in length of tenture, the Met equivalent of Vin Scully. His deployment in the FAN booth, whether it was through his selfish cunning or the visionary planning of management is perfectly valid.

I'm a Gary Cohen fan. I listened to those first-round ESPN Radiocasts of Octobers past just to hear him. If I haven't already, I will flip on the radio Wednesday and Thursday and Saturday in the fifth inning and keep it on through the sixth. If there are other games involving the Mets in this series or other series (let's hope), I will do the same. I know from discussions with others that I'm not the only person who will do this. Granted, the attraction is Mets playoff baseball, but having the Voice of the Mets calling the Mets in the playoffs is clearly a value-added element.

The intrigue and backstabbing and gossipy whatnot of the broadcasting industry is entertaining to a limited extent. After a fashion, though, it's about what's put on the air. In this case, the radio-listening Mets fan benefits (I believe) by having Gary Cohen calling parts of the game. It does not put out Howie and Tom to a great extent. That's not really my concern, but it's a legitimate internal one. In other words, they get to do seven regulation innings without Cohen and any extra frames. They'll be fine.

Those who would attack Cohen for his upcoming cameos -- whether they are trying to get a rise out of a radio audience, stir up a newspaper readership or just demonstrating their lack of understanding about what it is to be a Mets fan on an Internet board -- don't matter. They, I sense, aren't going to go out of their way to listen to these games on WFAN. They are not likely to have their hopes dashed or routines disrupted because Gary Cohen's voice joins those of Tom McCarthy and Howie Rose. If there's a single person out there who is not related to those two who will be disappointed that they are deprived of an extra inning of them, well, he or she will be one more person than I imagine exists.

metirish
Oct 02 2006 07:02 PM

missing your Mets fix?....Postseason live on SNY...Wright,Darling,Cohen and Coleman on the show.

Gwreck
Oct 02 2006 08:07 PM

From the Postseason Live:

Mary Noble: Mets in 5
Ed Coleman: Mets in 4
Ron Darling: Mets in 4
Gary Cohen: Mets in 3

metirish
Oct 02 2006 08:10 PM

I swear an old GF of mine was the one over the shoulder of Matt Yallof all during the show.

Edgy DC
Oct 02 2006 08:27 PM

Freaking Matt Yallof steals all the girls.

metirish
Oct 02 2006 08:29 PM

One other thing,Marty Noble is one big man......

MFS62
Oct 05 2006 10:06 AM

Yesterday I was at a client site for a 3:45PM meeting. It had been scheduled far in advance, and I couldn't get it changed. Needless to say, I had no idea what had happened in the game. About 6PM there was a break in the meeting, so I hopped on one of their PCs to check the IGT and/or Yahoo Sports to get a recap. Their friggin' Internet connection was down!!

The meeting ended about 6:45 and I jumped in my car to listen to the game if it was still on. I heard the last inning and a half. I couldn't get WFAN, but was able to get ESPN radio. I recognized the voice of the color guy - Dave Campbell, but didn't get the name of the play-by-play guy. He was awful.

For most of the hitters, he didn't say what they had done in their previous at bats. For some, he gave partial info. For example, when Delgado came to bat, he said he was 4 for 4 up to that point, but said nothing about homers, RBIs or runs scored. At the end of the game, there was no scoring recap.

As I got closer to home, I was able to get WFAN. The game ended around 7:10. WFAN went to their post-game show. I listened from about 7:15 until I got home around 7:50. They never gave the sound bytes of the scoring plays like they usually do, even though they announced that they were "upcoming".

It wasn't until I turned on SNY that I was able to see the highlights of the game.

Thank you, SNY.

Later

cooby
Oct 05 2006 10:07 AM

Holy smokes, that sounds like one of my bad dreams

martin
Oct 05 2006 05:53 PM

i thought SNY had a terrific first season. my favorite moment was mid-season, when one of of those goofy inflated mascots was waddling around, a mr met, the camera is on him as we come back from commercial.

Cohen deadpans "that guy is pumped up"

hernandez ignores him and start babbling about something. cohen moves along, doesnt even chuckle, is perfectly content to have nobody in the booth appreciate his wonderful joke. i love that guy.

ScarletKnight41
Oct 05 2006 05:59 PM

My favorite moment - Gary and Ron explaining to Keith the mathematical formula by which the Magic Number is derived.

metsmarathon
Oct 05 2006 06:55 PM

i like any time keith needs white out to fix his scorecard.

MFS62
Oct 05 2006 06:56 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
i like any time keith needs white out to fix his scorecard.

I think it was Red Barber (after an official scorer changed his ruling) who I first heard say "That's why they put erasers on pencils".

Later

metirish
Oct 05 2006 07:36 PM

Tim Teuful is in the studio tonight.

Elster88
Oct 05 2006 08:05 PM

]To the overriding point, Gary Cohen is the acknowledged flagship voice of the New York Mets.


Was.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 05 2006 10:10 PM

Was?

ScarletKnight41
Oct 05 2006 11:07 PM

I miss Gary, Keith and Ron already.

Frayed Knot
Oct 05 2006 11:27 PM

Hey fat, bald guy w/the cell phone hanging behind the desk window for the last five minutes ... no one's impressed.

metsmarathon
Oct 05 2006 11:34 PM

i hate when the local news talks to local sports fans prior to playoff games.

yeah, they're all mets fans, but they're freekin' idiots.

i'm glad sny doesnt do that.

Edgy DC
Oct 05 2006 11:34 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Was?


I'd like to hear an answer to this one.

SteveJRogers
Oct 06 2006 08:02 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]Was?


I'd like to hear an answer to this one.


Not to speak for Elster, but I think the point is that TV announcers are generally not considered "The Voice..." of the team, and that title is reserved for the radio broadcasters.

Hence the apporpriate current "Voice of the Mets" is Howie Rose

"Put THAT in your books!"

There is more of a connection with radio broadcasters than there are with TV guys. Of course there are exceptions (Ralphie Boy) but generally its the Word Picture Artists who fans (of all sports, not just baseball) have a strong affiliation for as oppossed to the TV guys

G-Fafif
Oct 06 2006 12:14 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Edgy DC"]
="Yancy Street Gang"]Was?


I'd like to hear an answer to this one.


Not to speak for Elster, but I think the point is that TV announcers are generally not considered "The Voice..." of the team, and that title is reserved for the radio broadcasters.

Hence the apporpriate current "Voice of the Mets" is Howie Rose

"Put THAT in your books!"

There is more of a connection with radio broadcasters than there are with TV guys. Of course there are exceptions (Ralphie Boy) but generally its the Word Picture Artists who fans (of all sports, not just baseball) have a strong affiliation for as oppossed to the TV guys


As a rule, I'd agree, but in practice, no. Gary Cohen's 17 seasons on the radio plus his new PBP role on approximately 150 televised games puts him front and center. In that sense, Gary has an opportunity to maintain his status far more than any of his recent TV predecessors have. He's on cable, he's on over the air.

I love Howie Rose but I don't think he transcends the broadcasts in nearly the way Cohen does. Just because he has the radio job doesn't mean he is The Voice. My sense is if you ask a hundred Mets fans to "quick, name the Mets announcer," the answer will more often than not come back as Gary Cohen.

That could change over time as Howie logs more radio hours and if his calls become famous (if he gets a postseason walkoff homer to his credit, for example or gets to call the last out of the World Series...an out we'd want to put in the books, of course) and if Gary working TV becomes wallpaper. But I doubt Cohen cedes that territory.

It's the announcer who makes The Voice, not the job.

Centerfield
Oct 06 2006 12:54 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Hey fat, bald guy w/the cell phone hanging behind the desk window for the last five minutes ... no one's impressed.


That fat bald guy obliterated the old record for waving at the camera while talking on the cell phone. No joking, he must have been there for thirty minutes. They cut to highlights, then Grady Little's press conference, then Willie, then Glavine, and when they cut back to the studio, he was still there.

His idiocy was eclipsed only by the morons who chanted "Yankees Suck" behind Gary and Ron.

metirish
Oct 06 2006 01:02 PM

So what did you guys think about Tim Teuful in the studio last night?,I swear several times he made some weird faces into the camera and his eyes several times lit up like someone was shining a bright light on him, probably nerves.

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:03 PM

You know who I saw at the game on Wednesday? Remember the old lady who had seats in the front row behind the plate who wore a straw hat and had those Mets christmas tree ornament earrings? She would do that rolling thing with her arms to try and distract the pitcher and she was in every single TV shot ofrom the centerfield camera?

When the Mets put the extra 10 rows of blue seats in behind the plate her seats went from front row to 11th row.

She was there on Wednesday wearing her hat and earrings but no arm -rolling.

There's an '86/'06 parallel.

Willets Point
Oct 06 2006 01:05 PM

I always wondered what happened to her.

metirish
Oct 06 2006 01:07 PM

Has anyone seen the usual sign guy,the one that goes to every home game during the season.....

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:09 PM

metirish wrote:
So what did you guys think about Tim Teuful in the studio last night?,I swear several times he made some weird faces into the camera and his eyes several times lit up like someone was shining a bright light on him, probably nerves.


Watched him after I got home last night. He creeped me out a bit.

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:10 PM

metirish wrote:
Has anyone seen the usual sign guy,the one that goes to every home game during the season.....


We have a sign guy?

cooby
Oct 06 2006 01:20 PM

soupcan wrote:
You know who I saw at the game on Wednesday? Remember the old lady who had seats in the front row behind the plate who wore a straw hat and had those Mets christmas tree ornament earrings? She would do that rolling thing with her arms to try and distract the pitcher and she was in every single TV shot ofrom the centerfield camera?

When the Mets put the extra 10 rows of blue seats in behind the plate her seats went from front row to 11th row.

She was there on Wednesday wearing her hat and earrings but no arm -rolling.

There's an '86/'06 parallel.


Is it stilol the same seat?

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:22 PM

I think it is the same seat. Just ten rows of 'new' seats in front of her.

metirish
Oct 06 2006 01:22 PM

]We have a sign guy?


Yeah he's down the first baseline at every game .

cooby
Oct 06 2006 01:23 PM

She must really be old now. But then again, she was probably 40 then and we all just thought she was old.


Building in front of her was just mean! They should have left her have the front row anyway. I always wondered where she went.

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:26 PM

metirish wrote:
]We have a sign guy?


Yeah he's down the first baseline at every game .



That explains it. I can't see down the line from my seats.

But I don't recall ever seeing a sign guy on TV. That chickadee with the painted logo face (awesome job on that by the way) had some signs the past 2 games though.

metirish
Oct 06 2006 01:28 PM

You mean Cheryl Baren of Jericho, Long Island?



SNY show that sign guy every game...he's kinda stocky with a beard,wears a cap......probably late 30's early 40's....

Rotblatt
Oct 06 2006 01:30 PM

metirish wrote:
Has anyone seen the usual sign guy,the one that goes to every home game during the season.....


I saw him in Game 1--towards the end of the game, he was ducking behind in our row. I couldn't quite make out the sign, but it may have read, "Mets Win!"

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 01:32 PM

metirish wrote:
You mean Cheryl Baren of Jericho, Long Island?


Um, yeah I guess so.

(Edgy - we have an assistant for you for 'Wifey Watch')

ScarletKnight41
Oct 08 2006 09:42 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 13 2006 04:44 PM

Why was Todd Zeile in the booth with Gary and Ron after the game last night? I like Zeile, and he is from SoCal, but why didn't they have Keith if they were going to have a third man?

Also, for the first time all season, I enjoyed the fact that SNY has MFY highlights. Their coverage of the meltdown in Detroit was outstanding <g>

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2006 04:10 PM

i'm gonna treat this as a generic "discuss MLB television content" thread for a sec...

the other day i was listening to tim mccarver and joe buck do the cards / pads game, and they were talking about albert pujols for a bit.

and tim, in his infinite wisdom, refered to him as "prince albert"

now, two things that struck me...

one, i've never heard of pujols be referred to as "prince" and had thought that his consensus nickname was "fat" or "phat" - however the intended spelling is.

and two. "prince albert" really? if timmy's just coining that on his own, does he not know what painful sounding (i wouldnt know), and only slightly inappropriate for broadcast tv, a thing it is? or was somebody funning poor timmy without his knowledge, and he repeated the joke that was on him? or did he just hear "prince albert" somewhere once, had forgotten the meaning and never looked it up on urban dictionary, and decided to pull it out of his bag of tricks for the national broadcast?

Edgy DC
Oct 13 2006 04:13 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 13 2006 04:38 PM

I think he has no idea that there is a connotation other than Victoria's husband.

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2006 04:14 PM

true. i just found it an odd thing to hear. it'd be as if he were to call duaner "dirty"

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 13 2006 04:18 PM

Or as a brand of tobacco. The old standard prank phone call is "Do you have Prince Albert in a can? Then let him out!"

I'd hate to think anybody would have to look up everything on Urban Dictionary before they said it out loud.

I myself am unaware of any other meanings it might have. I guess I'll have to go look it up now.

seawolf17
Oct 13 2006 04:19 PM

I don't know why I fall for it every single time, but there I was, looking it up. Thanks.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 13 2006 04:19 PM

Okay, I'm back.You learn something every day.

I guess I don't hang with the pierced penis crowd. I had never heard that one.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 13 2006 04:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
I think he has no idea that there is a connotation other than Victoria's husband.


I didn't either till mm's filthy mind made me look it up.

Gross!

I'm against penile mutilation.

metirish
Oct 13 2006 04:20 PM

I imagine it wouldn't sit well with a cup while playing baseball.

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2006 04:24 PM

see, i usually assume i'm way far behind the times, so that if i pick up on something that has a dirty meaning, i assume there are nuns in cambodian missions that heard about it ten years ago.

i guess i was wrong on this one. i haven't a clue as to where i picked up this particular meaning either. its certainly not somehting i'd've chosen to research on my own.

i'm now curious, but not terribly willing to find out, why prince albert has come to describe such a thing.

and i'm sorry for dragging us all down into my gutter.

metirish
Oct 13 2006 04:30 PM

Find out here, scroll down to "history & culture"....warning...there is a picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_piercing

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 13 2006 04:33 PM

And another thread goes off the rails!

soupcan
Oct 13 2006 04:36 PM

Holy fucking shit!

Why would anybody do THAT?!

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2006 04:47 PM

gah! last time i ever mention anything.

i don't get why a man would elect to do something to their body that would resultantly require him to 'wee' sitting down, thereby obliterating the primary male perk of not having to make physical contact with the seat of a portapotty for most potty needs.

yeah, we've jumped the tracks and are hurtling rapidly downhill towards a fireworks factory. or something else bad that frequenlty happens to wile e. coyote.

cooby
Oct 13 2006 05:04 PM

Most PA wearers report no negative effect on sexual function, and many say it enhances sexual pleasure for both partners


Yeah, liked ribbed rubbers. Not.

metirish
Oct 17 2006 10:46 AM

One reason why Keith is not with SNY doing the pre/post game show.

]

So far, SNY's on-site show a hit
October 17, 2006


The Mets' victory Sunday ensured that the playoff circus will be back in town tomorrow, and that its most unusual sideshow will return to Gate A outside Shea Stadium.

Clearly, SNY's pre- and postgame shows have gotten an energy jolt from Gary Cohen and Ron Darling sitting among the people, and it has drawn enthusiastic, fairly well-behaved crowds.

Before Friday's game, fans mounted a disparaging chant aimed at Albert Pujols but mostly cheered for Darling and Cohen, each of whom turned to acknowledge them.

"I didn't realize Mets fans had so much fun before and after games," Darling said yesterday.

(By the way, Cohen's magical effect on the Mets continues. After their six-run sixth Sunday, they have outscored opponents 16-2 in the playoffs in the one inning in which he calls radio play-by-play.)

Naturally, it helped that the Mets won their first three home games and that by the time they lost Friday, it was midnight and few fans stuck around.

What happens if they suffer a tough loss in Game 6 or 7? Will it turn ugly? Do Darling and Cohen fear for their safety?

"Everyone has been so positive, so no, we're not worried at all," said Darling, who is about 10 feet from fans, far closer than, for example, Fox's NFL pregame cast. "The security has been fantastic." Let's hope so.

These on-site shows, popularized by ESPN's "College GameDay," are a mixed blessing.

They create interesting pictures, but often at the cost of off-color signs or gestures from fans under the influence. They also distract from announcers' words and make those words difficult to hear.

Darling said the technical part has worked nicely but added that he and Cohen have their volume dials turned up "as high as we can go" to hear one another.

"Gary and I are getting deaf as we go," he said. "The trick is to concentrate on what he and I are saying. They're very loud behind you; if you don't concentrate on each other, you can get overcome."

Overall, SNY has done a thorough job covering its anchor team.

Two negatives: Tim Teufel's not-ready-for-playoff-time studio debut and Keith Hernandez's absence. Hernandez is not working the postseason in part because he must spend six months in Florida for tax reasons; he has appeared via satellite only once, during an NLCS preview show last Tuesday.

"It's weird in the sense that I wish he were here," Darling said. "He's such a natural presence and fans are clamoring for him ... I do miss him."

MFS62
Oct 17 2006 10:49 AM

The power of Gary Cohen;

He does the play-by-play for WFAN in the 6th inning of each post-season game.

The Mets have scored a total of 16 runs in the 7 6th innings so far this post-season.

2, 2, and 3 in the Dodgers series
2, 1, 0, and 6 in the Cards series so far

He should call the whole game.

Later

Valadius
Oct 17 2006 10:51 AM

Is there some tax aimed at people who only live in Florida during the winter or something?

metsmarathon
Oct 17 2006 10:53 AM

on this, michael kay and i are in perfect agreement:

i HATE the on-site shows infront of the drunken, screaming rabble.

soupcan
Oct 17 2006 10:59 AM

Assuming Mex files his return as a Florida resident because there's probably little or no personal income tax or other incentives for him to do so.

As a result he has to actually 'reside' there. Assume that 'residing' is defined by spending at least 6 months out of the year in the state.

When I first heard that Keith 'had' to spend some time in Florida I assumed it was because of some sort of probation related to drugs or child support or something. Do you think he would forgive me?

HahnSolo
Oct 17 2006 11:19 AM

Interesting.
So traveling for work has an affect on your residency status? Seems kinda lousy for the guy who works and travels year-round.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 17 2006 11:21 AM

Tell me about it. I used to be a traveling consultant and almost got burned by a rule that says if you're on a project for a year (or 11 months, or something like that) your travel expenses are taxable. That adds up to a lot of money for meals, hotels, and transportation.

MFS62
Oct 18 2006 01:08 PM

The Tim McCarver Drinking Game.
]Baseball humorist Bill Chuck (a.k.a. Billy-Ball) has had about enough of FOX Sports’ Tim McCarver, in fact it is so bad that he is being driven to drink.

Believe me, I don't espouse reckless drinking. Then again Anheuser-Busch is not one of my sponsors. Somehow I suspect that in the back of their minds, the marketing geniuses have been waiting for some fool (read: Billy-Ball) to suggest that after select clichés by Tim McCarver that fans hoist another Bud Select.
What really pushed me over the edge was a moment in the 1st inning of last night's 4-2 Cardinals victory. Shortstop (spark plug?) David Eckstein had just made two diving stops on grounders and the trainer was out on the field examining his left shoulder. Examining it, rubbing it, and clearly asking Eckstein to exhibit range of motion.

McCarver announces that he thinks Eckstein may have hurt his left shoulder.

I start screaming at the television, "Well, yeah Tim! We can see the trainer and Fox is showing every replay imaginable of Eckstein landing on his shoulder including their camera from the surface of the moon."

Mrs. Ball seeing me on the verge of apoplexy says, "I thought you liked Tim McCarver?"

Foaming at the mouth, I sputter, "I used to, I don't know what happened to him."

Then I saw it. Like a vision it appeared to me. Time slowed down so that the A-B subliminal advertising technique became liminal. Every time McCarver commented redundantly, every time Fox replayed and replayed Eckstein diving from another angle, we would see the logo for Budweiser Select.

These people are driving us to drink!

So, as we prepare for Game 6 tonight at Shea, I am here to codify the "McCarver Drinking Game. Here are some McCarverisms that when heard should result in drinking Bud Select. Please send me additional ones (Bill@Billy-Ball.com) if we are lucky enough for a Game 7.

"Last night, the Mets watched the Cardinals enjoyed 'Leave it to Weaver' (B-B: this is in reference to the great pitching performance of Jeff Weaver) tonight we'll see if the Cardinals sing 'If I Were a Carpenter'." (B-B: the Cards' start their ace Chris Carpenter tonight in Game 6).

"If the Mets win tonight they will be playing for all the marbles tomorrow night in Game 7 and I'm sure that Willie will be losing his marbles if the Mets don't make it that far."

"Joe, you saw that Carlos Beltran caught that ball with his back against the wall and that's exactly the position the Mets are in tonight, hoping for a win. Their backs are against the wall."

"Last night, Albert Pujols homered and that's where he left the Mets, deep in a Pujols."

"The Mets are back home tonight at Shea and they are hoping that they won't have to 'Shea goodbye' to their fans."

"Rookie John Maine, who has allowed five runs (four earned) in 8 1/3 innings postseason, gets the call tonight. The Mets are looking for a memorable pitching performance from this youngster so that they can 'Remember the Maine.'"

"The Cardinals got a timely hit last night from Ronnie Belliard. The Mets are hoping that tonight the Belliard doesn't toll for thee."

"After last night's loss, Mets' third baseman David Wright said. 'We're backed into a corner. We're going to go out there and play relaxed, play loose tomorrow. Try to come out swinging and break their hearts.' We're going to see tonight if they play the Wright way or the wrong way."

"Cardinals rookie closer Adam Wainwright struck out Jose Reyes last night to end the game for his second save of the postseason. The Mets need Jose to get on base tonight and make things happen if they are to have Reyes of hope for winning this series."

"Last night's tying run was scored by St. Louis third baseman Scott Rolen. The Cards are hoping that they will keep Rolen right into the Series."

"The last three times St. Louis has led a postseason series three games to two, they have let that lead slip away. They are hoping that this time the Cards are in their favor."

"Cards manager Tony La Russa is confident the reigning NL Cy Young Award pitcher, Chris Carpenter will be effective tonight, while Mets manager Willie Randolph hopes Carpenter won't be 'reigning' on their parade."

"If the Mets don't win tonight, you can be sure that tomorrow that will be suffering from the avian flu, because the Cardinals will have made them sick."

Well, there you have it - a (Dusty) Baker's Dozen of drinking phrases we can expect from Tim McCarver tonight. Enjoy the game and make sure you have a designated driver.


Y'know, I used to like Tim.
But not recently.
I'm glad he didn't join the SNY team.

Later

Iubitul
Oct 18 2006 01:26 PM

The more I think about it, the more I think it's Deion Sanders' fault. Tim obviously hasn't been the same since Prime Time went after him in the locker room...

TransMonk
Oct 30 2006 08:06 PM

I finally get to experience Mets Classics now that the season is over. For some reason my satellite provider blacked out these games during the season. Tonight I'm taking in September 21, 2001...probably my favorite regular season game of all time.

metirish
Oct 30 2006 08:16 PM

I just tuned in,thanks Monk..watching this game never gets old.

metirish
Oct 30 2006 09:14 PM

Liza doing NY ,NY still gives me goose bumps...amazin.

TransMonk
Oct 30 2006 09:58 PM

Watching that game live, I remember thinking that Karsay was so hot about not getting those calls against Alfonzo that he might make a mistake against Mike...and make a mistake he did.

Great at-bat for Fonzie, and Mike's most memorable HR in a Mets uniform.

metirish
Oct 30 2006 10:34 PM

Great hearing Fran,Ralph and Howie too....during the game Fran mentioned that there was a thought of playing those games in Atlanta....looking back I can't imagine how I would feel now if that did happen...

Centerfield
Nov 03 2006 01:06 PM

It seems inevitable that someday SNY and MSG, if they can bury their differences, would have to merge. It makes no sense that SNY has baseball, but crap in the winter, and MSG has basketball/hockey, but crap in the summer.