Apr 21 2006 10:04 AM
The Schaefer Police:
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All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread
| Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 11:40 AM |
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Let's try to keep discussion of Schaefer voting consolidated in this thread. I want to avoid clutter in the actual voting threads because it only complicates the automated tallying.
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| old original jb Apr 06 2006 11:49 AM Misled by thread title. |
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I thought we were going to talk about Schaefer.
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| Elster88 Apr 06 2006 11:58 AM |
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Oops. Didn't mean for a whole thread to be started.
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| MFS62 Apr 06 2006 11:59 AM |
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As they say on Law and Order, "you can't un-ring the bell". Later
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| Elster88 Apr 06 2006 12:02 PM |
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I love that L&O bell.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 12:03 PM |
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Well, you do seem to have a lot to say about everyone else's voting. And, really, any non-vote that contains numeric characters complicates the tallying. It's a minor complication, but I don't want them to pile up.
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| Elster88 Apr 06 2006 12:07 PM |
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Sorry.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 12:24 PM |
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In my mind, Bannister's point-costing walks, curveballs in the dirt and hit batsmen were redeemed somewhat by whiffing Royce Clayton with the tying run in scoring position on his 100something-ith pitch.
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| Willets Point Apr 06 2006 12:28 PM |
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You know, I've never tasted Schaefer.
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| TheOldMole Apr 06 2006 12:35 PM |
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Make it clear, make it Schaefer
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 01:09 PM |
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Well put, Mole. Glavine would have gotten more points had it not been for Nady. I wish he could have earned at least a 4.5.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 06 2006 11:40 PM |
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TransMonk voted for Franco for the game of April 6:
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 06 2006 11:49 PM |
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Franco should be leading all pointgetters in tonight's Pabst Blue Ribbon Good Cheer poll.
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| metirish Apr 06 2006 11:55 PM |
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i think we should make an exception tonight on Franco....he was a leader, surely worth a point .
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| TransMonk Apr 07 2006 12:01 AM |
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I'll rescind the vote...I tend to agree with the point.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 07 2006 07:31 AM |
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How about a pinchhitter in the batter's box whose presence causes the opposing pitcher to walk a batter who turns out to be the winning run, but the pinch-hitter gets himself pinchhit for and so doesn't get an at bat? Could such a person get a point? (I don't even know if my scenario makes much sense, but it's technically possible, I think). Same thing for a reliever warming up in the pen, whose presence causes the opposing manager to do something stupid: eligible or not eligible? Open the case, Shawnna.
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| MFS62 Apr 07 2006 08:16 AM |
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I awarded Franco .5 last night for his MVP (most valuable push). I think it will hopefully show Beltran thatthere really are fans out there who like him, and he will noe relax and just play his brand of ball.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 07 2006 08:35 AM |
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It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, however. Right now I'm leaning towards discarding any Franco points for that game.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 07 2006 08:37 AM |
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Also, please try to remember that last night's pitcher's last name is MARTINEZ. Pedro is actually his FIRST name. When voting for him, please refer to him as Martinez.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 07 2006 08:44 AM |
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And how about if he would have pushed Beltran out there and some booing idiot would have spit in his eye, causing permanent blindness, but hopefully Beltran will come back with a digital directional signal chip implanted in his brain and play GG centerfield from 2009-2014 and then go on to manage in a way he never could have without that helpful push from Franco? You're not thinking of all the possible outcomes of that push, Elster. We're voting on future implications here, not voting on the outcome of this single game alone--oh, wait, that's exactly what we're doing.
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| Elster88 Apr 07 2006 08:49 AM |
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That's the second person to confuse MFS62 for me. We must look alike. Might be the CT thing.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 07 2006 08:55 AM |
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I even copied his "Later" tag. Sorry. I'm going to have my brain removed and rewired.
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| abogdan Apr 07 2006 08:58 AM |
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Do they still make Schaeffer? Or rather, does some large brewing conglomerate make beer that tastes nothing like the original but is sold under the brand name of Schaeffer?
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| *62 Apr 07 2006 09:00 AM |
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you take a ring
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| MFS62 Apr 07 2006 09:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 07 2006 09:28 AM |
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And the three rings stood for purity, body and flavor. Hmmmm. One "62" responding to another "62". Isn't that bordering on incest? EDITS:
Bret. And you just left that line out there for someone to pounce on? I think there are folks here who would not only be in favor of that, but would pay good money to watch it happen. Might even cover the cost of the operation. :)
I dunno. Do you wear glasses? Later
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 07 2006 09:27 AM |
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Shaefer is made by Pabst, which used to be in Milwaukee but is now in San Antonio and brews all kinds of what they call "legacy" regional brands: Pabst Old Milwaukee Old Style Lone Star Ranier Colt 45 Sclitz Schmidts Ballantine National Bohemian Stroh's Olympia Piels Carling Black Label etc. I get the impression its like the scene when Homer & Barney visit the Duff Brewery and see multiple beers all coming out of the same giant vat. Scheafer in available in NY, NJ, DE, CT, DC, MD, MA, RI, NH & VT.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 07 2006 10:10 AM |
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From Thursday:
By Hernandez, do you mean Floyd?
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| holychicken Apr 07 2006 10:30 AM |
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I feel like the fact that we have to strictly use the last name of the player has really ripped the heart and soul out of these Schaefer polls.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 10 2006 03:22 PM |
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Season-to-date totals for 2006
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| Centerfield Apr 10 2006 03:34 PM |
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To be clear, we are allowed to discuss how people voted in the thread itself so long as its after the actual votes right?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 10 2006 03:37 PM |
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Yes, discussion in the actual thread is fine once the voting is closed. (Before that it just complicates things for me.)
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 11 2006 02:23 PM |
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Not surprising that David Wright is our early leader:
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 08:54 AM |
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Remember, for those who want to crunch their own Schaefer numbers, you can get everything you need from here:
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 12 2006 11:17 PM |
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If Pedro comes out for the 8th and gets relieved, and gets 6 Schaefer points... how many does he get if he stays in?
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 13 2006 10:06 AM |
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As many as if he pitches 9 innings and also hits for the cycle. I would have given Trax 6 points on Friday, but too many other guys did too many things offensively so I had to cut back. Last night the offense was solid but not overwhelming, so I didn't have to scale back on Pedro's points. With a 10 point per game cap, there are times that there aren't enough points to go around. Other nights, 10 points is just right.
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| Nymr83 Apr 13 2006 11:50 AM |
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which is why the 6-point cap is dumb. ther are 3-4 occassions a year where the starting pitcher deserves an 8 or 9 (10 if they shut out the other team and hit a solo shot)
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 13 2006 11:54 AM |
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A starting pitcher can never deserve an 8 or a 9 if the maximum is 6. If players were allowed to get 10 points, then somebody could argue that there are times when somebody deserves an 11 or a 12.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 13 2006 11:57 AM |
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This is the fallacy that results in concluding that a Doc Gooden is worrth 20+ victories to a team. Even a brilliant pitcher pitchiing his best games needs the contributions of teammates. Even a pitcher striking out 27 batters needs a catcher to frame his pitches and to catch them, and even if he hits a solo homrun as his team's only offense, he still needs other batters to tire out the opposing pitcher's arm. I'd argue that the cap of max points should be lower, not higher.
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| Nymr83 Apr 13 2006 12:04 PM |
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but this is all about relative contributions and for that game the pitrcher may deserve a 10. if you were grading each player on a 1-10 scale for each game then everyone else might get 2's or 3's based on something they did but as it is theres only 10 pts to distribute and i think an artificial cap on who they can be given to is biased against starting pitchers.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 13 2006 12:09 PM |
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No, to me it indicates that contributions are over-rewarded under the rules in place. Like the 5-star movie debate, I think the full Schaefer 6-pack ought to be reserved for truly great performances. Instead we have instances today where a good-but-not-great Pedro pitching performance will be indistinguishable from a no-hitter with 27 strikeouts. Meantime, poor Xavier Nady isn't offered a sip of beer despite crushing a double and drawing a walk in 4 trips. Why? Because Pedro is getting all the suds!
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| seawolf17 Apr 13 2006 12:15 PM |
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That's because Pedro is Latino and Nady is white.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 13 2006 01:17 PM |
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Hey! Seawolf looks like a racist ass!
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| seawolf17 Apr 13 2006 01:20 PM |
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[elvis]Thank you. Thank you very much.[/elvis]
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| GYC Apr 14 2006 12:52 AM |
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Is it weird that I've created a spreadsheet of my own Schaefer points?
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| Iubitul Apr 14 2006 06:17 AM |
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Among this group? Nope.
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| TheOldMole Apr 14 2006 11:10 AM |
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What would you have to do among this group to be classified as weird?
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| Elster88 Apr 14 2006 12:44 PM |
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I understand and appreciate that it's very difficult to maintain your spreadsheet, but is it okay to put comments in the individual game threads when the discussion is related only to that one game?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 14 2006 12:50 PM |
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I'd much prefer if either the comments were confined to this thread, or if you waited until the voting was closed to add comments to the voting thread. I don't want to have votes get lost in a sea of comments.
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| Willets Point Apr 14 2006 12:52 PM |
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Possible compromise: If you have comments about voting for a particular game, make them in the IGT for that game?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 14 2006 12:53 PM |
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That would work too.
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| TheOldMole Apr 14 2006 01:16 PM |
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Is it too late to change my vote? A little brain freeze there -- I gave Reyes and Hernandez a quarter of a point each for the double play, forgetting that it had been the day before.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 14 2006 01:18 PM |
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You can still edit your vote.
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| Diamond Dad Apr 14 2006 01:26 PM Perhaps we need . . . |
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Do we need a template into which we should put our points votes -- to facilitate the automated tabulation process???
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 14 2006 01:36 PM |
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Last name (no first names or nicknames please) followed by points. Last year dashes and colons gave me problems, but now the spreadsheet can ignore them.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 14 2006 01:38 PM |
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More about Schaefer voting in the opening post of this thread.
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 14 2006 01:42 PM Re: Perhaps we need . . . |
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No - just list your players by last name and the points you are allotting each one.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 16 2006 12:08 PM |
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I won't be around when Sunday's game against Milwaukee ends. Anybody else can feel free to kick of the Schaefer thread once the game ends. Thanks!
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 17 2006 01:37 PM |
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I got mixed up, and started tallying Friday's game (which will actually close tomorrow) when I meant to do Thursday's. In doing so, I noticed two voters went over the limit of 10 points:
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 17 2006 01:39 PM |
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fixed.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 17 2006 02:14 PM |
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Thanks, Johnny.
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| metsmarathon Apr 17 2006 03:40 PM |
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i've done the same thing, so i hope not. i also did one with my predictions, that i'm gonna update at game 16, 32, etc.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 18 2006 02:05 PM |
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We seem to be learning that a standard one-inning save is worth a little bit less than one full point. Wagner ended up getting a 0.87 for his Friday night save in the 4-3 win over the Brewers. His chance of being Player of the Year: slim.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 19 2006 09:08 AM |
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Month-to-date totals for April 2006
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| Nymr83 Apr 19 2006 09:29 AM |
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i'l usually give a full point at least for a 1-run save, saving a 3-run lead doesnt get the same respect.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 20 2006 09:09 AM |
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Wow.
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| abogdan Apr 20 2006 01:39 PM |
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From the discussion in the 4/19 thread:
My understanding is that there is no minimum total of points per game. Which proposition is correct?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 20 2006 01:43 PM |
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You have it right, abogdan.
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| Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2006 11:16 PM |
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I think it's safe to say that Willets will never be president of Glavine's fan club.
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| Nymr83 Apr 20 2006 11:20 PM |
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How is it that Nady was the run-away favorite in the POTG poll but Pedro got the most avg points in the same game?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 21 2006 08:53 AM |
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I'm surprised that some people are giving Franco and Julio the same number of points for Thursday night's game.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 21 2006 09:54 AM |
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Three voters, abogdan, MFS62, and Zvon, all gave both Julio and Franco one point each.
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| Elster88 Apr 21 2006 09:55 AM |
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I agree. I don't think that they're reading this.
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| MFS62 Apr 21 2006 10:02 AM |
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I am now. I promise to be more careful next time. Later
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| Willets Point Apr 21 2006 10:04 AM |
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The Schaefer Police:
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| Centerfield Apr 21 2006 11:46 AM |
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You know, this place could use an FAQ.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 21 2006 12:03 PM |
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That's a good idea.
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| Willets Point Apr 21 2006 01:04 PM |
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Maybe, but folks giving 6 points to the LOSING pitcher really cheapens awarding 6 points. I'll save that for a complete game shutout or a batter who hits 4 for 4 with 6 RBI's in a game (for example).
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| Frayed Knot Apr 21 2006 01:13 PM |
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Well it doesn't have to be 6 points, folks are just questioning why only 1 pt for a full game w/just 2R (1 ER). You gave Castro twice the love, for ex, for a single and CS.
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| metsmarathon Apr 21 2006 01:19 PM |
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i certainly think that glavine earned his 6 points, if nobody else on teh team did.
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| Centerfield Apr 21 2006 01:28 PM |
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I think a pitcher who pitches 8 innings, one ER deserves 6 points. Again, it's relative, but I don't see how you can justify merely awarding 1 point.
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| Nymr83 Apr 21 2006 02:04 PM |
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Sorry, CF. This contest has a built-in anti-pitching bias, allowing more than 6 points to a player would allow starting pitchers to fairly compete with position players, we wouldn't want that to happen.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 21 2006 03:31 PM |
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Despite Namor's contention that starting pitchers don't have a chance, Tom Glavine is the current leader in the Schaefer Mets Player of the Year competition for 2006.
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| TheOldMole Apr 21 2006 03:41 PM |
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A pitcher, if he's effective, is going to get at least some points every time goes out there.
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| TheOldMole Apr 21 2006 03:43 PM |
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If everyone voted the same way, or used the same standards, it would take half the point out of having the voting.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 21 2006 03:53 PM |
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Exactly. This whole thing is about consensus. Some people will vote extremes, one way or another, but when all the votes are averaged together, we get our collective totals.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 21 2006 04:04 PM |
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Variations among voters isn't a problem.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 22 2006 09:27 AM |
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Two points: I'm glad to note that the extremely pretentious use of multi-decimal places seems to be declining since my parodic displays of absurdly false precision.
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| Nymr83 Apr 22 2006 11:51 AM |
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the problem is you get games where only 8 or 9 people vote, i wouldn't want to eliminate the outliers there.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 22 2006 11:56 AM |
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You realize that I;'m talking about the highest AND the lowest outliers? It's a rare game that this wouldn't result in fairer voting, and it's inevitable that it will work that way in the long run.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 22 2006 11:59 AM |
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I like the concept of tossing the outliers but I suspect it would hurt the low-scoring contributors moreso than the high vote-getters. I'd say most folks don't bother to credit the guy whose single starts the rally if that's the only hit they get. It penalizes those who go into the most detail.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 22 2006 12:44 PM |
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I think, in theory, it's a good idea, but in practice the difficulty it would cause me would outweigh the benefits, which I think would be slight.
There were 26 voters, and Glavine got a 5.26 (136.67 divided by 26). If we threw out the 1, as well as one of his 6's, his total would be 129.67 divided by 24, which would be a 5.40. If we just threw out the 1, his score would have been 5.43. The difference of about 0.14 is not insignificant, but since it's probably the largest we'll see, and it's a rare case, I don't see that it's worth the extra trouble, which would be considerable. And to Namor's other point, the bizarre fractions don't really have any impact at all. If people want to vote that way, it really has little effect, either on the results or on my tallying effort. The magic spreadsheet can handle the extra decimals. So, although I may be sometimes puzzled by the precision of some of the votes, I have no beef with it.
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| TheOldMole Apr 22 2006 12:54 PM |
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Also, it's an arguable point, albeit not very arguable -- you don't give a pitcher a top score unless he wins the game. I would disagree, but I would also argue that you can't tell people what to think.
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 24 2006 09:32 AM |
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Yancy - may I make a request? When you post the box score in the POTG thread, could you set it up to open in a new window? That would make it easier for me to consult with the box score while typing my vote. Also, I could open the box score, keep on browsing the pool, and then go back to considering my vote when I'm done with whatever else I'm doing.
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| Willets Point Apr 24 2006 09:43 AM |
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Scarlett, you may also do that yourself by right-clicking on the link and selecting "Open Link in New Window."
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 24 2006 09:46 AM |
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Good point, Scarlett. I'll try to remember. (For anyone else starting a poll, the way to make sure this happens is to include target=_new in the HTML tag.) And the opening game of the series, Thursday night's win, will close later today.
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 24 2006 10:05 AM |
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Willets - thanks. That's good to know.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 24 2006 01:19 PM |
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After the San Diego series has been closed and tallied, I'll post the month-to-date totals here. For those who can't wait for these periodic updates, the totals are always viewable at http://potg.ultimatemets.com.
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| GYC Apr 25 2006 08:32 PM |
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Was there ever an official "ruling" in the LoDuca vs. Lo Duca? I still don't know what to use and vary it, afraid that I'm making things difficult for Yancy.
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 25 2006 09:06 PM |
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The other advantage, not addressed by Yancy, in eliminating outliers is the discouragement of loopy voting.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 25 2006 09:10 PM |
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I've found that it doesn't matter. Thanks for asking!
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 26 2006 09:00 AM |
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| metsmarathon Apr 27 2006 08:39 AM |
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so, i'm curious for all those out there with the ultra-precise schaeffer votes, how y'all come up with such numbers?
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| Bret Sabermetric Apr 27 2006 08:52 AM |
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I found that, once I got past the fourth decimal point, I was starting to guess.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 27 2006 09:49 AM |
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Before I give out any points, I type the contributor's names in descending order of their Schaefer thirst. Then I try and assign points downward without counting.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 27 2006 10:42 AM |
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KC, I had to blank out your votes for the April 26 game. Sorry about that, but you apparently accidentally pasted votes from a different game. Your votes for Bannister's game matched your votes for Trachsel's game, including your votes for Trachsel!
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 27 2006 10:42 AM |
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Oh, and a thank you to metsmarathon for pointing it out!
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| Centerfield Apr 27 2006 10:46 AM |
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Castro getting no love from some Schaefer voters despite 3 hits, 2 runs scored, and sparking the GW rally.
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| Elster88 Apr 30 2006 11:14 AM |
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Someone please explain to me how a pitcher earns 6 if he pitches 7 shut out innings? What do you give him for a complete game? Or a no-hitter?
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 30 2006 11:17 AM |
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From my perspective, 7 scoreless innings against the Braves at Turner Field in a game with virtually no Mets offense is worth 6 points. He was tremendous on a night where nobody else particularly shined.
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| Elster88 Apr 30 2006 11:22 AM |
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What is 9 scoreless innings against the Braves at Turner Field in a game with virtually no Mets offense worth?
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| ScarletKnight41 Apr 30 2006 11:26 AM |
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6 points. That's the max that any one player can earn per game.
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| Elster88 May 01 2006 11:10 AM |
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So, all else being equal, 7 innings of shutout ball is the same as 9 innings is the same as a no-hitter?
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| Johnny Dickshot May 01 2006 11:11 AM |
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No you're right.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 01 2006 11:26 AM |
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If you're the dominant star of the game, you should be eligible for a 6. You can argue that you need to pitch a perfect game to get a 6, but then what do you do for the guy who pitches a perfect game and hits three home runs? I don't see that there's a minimum threshold to get a 6. I didn't give Glavine 6 points for his seven scoreless innings, but I have no gripe with those who did.
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| Elster88 May 01 2006 11:27 AM |
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No griping here. The average takes care of such things. Just curiosity. And astonishment.
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| ScarletKnight41 May 01 2006 11:49 AM |
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You astonish pretty easily, I guess.
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| Centerfield May 01 2006 11:56 AM |
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I'm with Yancy. That's how I vote.
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| Willets Point May 01 2006 12:57 PM |
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Me too.
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| ScarletKnight41 May 02 2006 08:30 AM |
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I couldn't give Reyes any Schaeffer last night. I felt that his baserunning blunder (getting picked off trying to stretch a double into a triple) outweighed his 9th inning single.
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| Nymr83 May 02 2006 10:18 AM |
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its not only that he was "trying to strech it" its that he didnt bust his ass out of the box because he thought it would be caught.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 02 2006 01:09 PM |
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Rockin' Doc... you only gave 8.25 points for the May 1 win. Was that intentional?
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| Centerfield May 02 2006 02:04 PM |
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I didn't like how the announcers were implying that Reyes was "off the hook" after Delgado hit the HR. No, if Reyes had run that out, the Mets would have had the lead.
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| Rockin' Doc May 02 2006 09:43 PM |
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Yancy - "Rockin' Doc... you only gave 8.25 points for the May 1 win. Was that intentional?"
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| Gwreck May 02 2006 09:53 PM |
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Yancy -- curious as to why Wright gets Schaefer points from you for the 5/2 game. What am I missing?
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| Johnny Dickshot May 02 2006 09:55 PM |
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Not to speak for YSG, but he had a walk, a SB and two nice fielding plays.
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| Gwreck May 02 2006 09:57 PM |
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Ok, forgot about the fielding plays.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 02 2006 10:02 PM |
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What Johnny said.
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| Rockin' Doc May 02 2006 10:05 PM |
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Definitely don't see 10 points happening tonight. We'll see waht we can come up with though.
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| Gwreck May 03 2006 11:21 PM |
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For the 5/3 game -- no love for Mr. Heilman (2 perfect relief innings).
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| Johnny Dickshot May 03 2006 11:25 PM |
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I'd say Bradford deserves more Shaefer than Heilman tonight -- and Heilman was SICK. It's just different pitchinbg the 7th & 8th with a 2-run lead at home and pitching the 11th & 12th of a game where the bad guys already got to the 14 million closer.
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| Gwreck May 03 2006 11:32 PM |
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I know, but by the same token, I have a real tough time giving anything less than 3 to Pedro tonight. The strong-start-after-a-loss is HUGE, and he was lights-out with the exception of the 1st inning solo homer. Wasn't his fault it went to extras (giving people like Bradford the chance to earn pts). Without the extras, would've been a 4.5 - 5 point performance for Pedro.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 04 2006 10:15 AM |
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If April had 31 days, Delgado would have been Schaefer Player of the Month.
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| MFS62 May 04 2006 11:29 AM |
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Last night's game was the toughest for me to score. (It was tough for the Official Scorer on a ball hit by Endy too, but that's a different issue).
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| Centerfield May 04 2006 11:30 AM |
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Absolutely. I didn't reward Heilman at all for two dominant innings. Nothing to Sanchez for another strong inning. And the guys I did award points to deserved more. I guess that makes it a good game.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 04 2006 11:35 AM |
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I agree. Before Wagner blew the save, I was planning on distributing 7 points among the pitchers (Pedro, Heilman, and Wagner) with the points weighted according to the number of innings. (4.7, 1.5, 0.8) That would have left 3 for the offense, most (or all) of which would have gone to Chavez.
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| MFS62 May 04 2006 11:59 AM |
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I think I mentioned it when the Mets got him. I have a friend who lives in Toronto, is a big Jays fan, and is married to an Inuit woman. He always called Delgado "Ralu". It is Inuit for "Deity". The way he's been playing, the monicker fits him. Later
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| Centerfield May 06 2006 12:49 AM |
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If I could give everyone a Shaefer point tonight, I would.
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| Nymr83 May 06 2006 01:22 AM |
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this is gonna be a tough one, i think i'll wait for tommorow to vote
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| Nymr83 May 06 2006 04:40 PM |
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Its buried in the article, but Bill Mueller's favorite beer is Schaffer!
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| GYC May 07 2006 11:16 AM |
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No disrespect to Victor with the last game, but I feel that 1.1 innings with 3 K's is more valuable later in the game. I have a bit more respect for him (and even a bit of pity) after that game, but there were just too many guys who played key roles in that game.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 08 2006 04:10 PM |
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Voting on the entire Atlanta series at Shea will close on Tuesday. The Friday and Saturday games will probably close in the morning, but I'll leave the Sunday game until Tuesday afternoon. At that point we'll be all caught up and I'll post the season-to-date totals in this thread.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 09 2006 03:13 PM |
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And now, for the first time this season, we're all caught up. As promised, here are the current standings for the 2006 season, as well as for the month of May.
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of May 7, 2006
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| Gwreck May 10 2006 02:35 PM |
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Re: the Philly game, 5/9/06 --
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| TheOldMole May 10 2006 02:58 PM |
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I have a kind of policy about giving out ten points for a loss. It's a policy I could break easily enough, but I stuck to it for this game -- 9 points.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 10 2006 03:15 PM |
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http://potg.ultimatemets.com/rawdata.php?year=2006
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| Gwreck May 12 2006 01:18 PM |
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Wow, there's a whole lot of beer being thrown around after the rain-shortened loss to the Phillies. Way, way too many points being awarded, considering that we lost, Trachsel pitched OK but not well (2 runs in 4 innings) and we had 2 hits in 5 innings! I don't see how that could be worth anything more than 2 points for the whole team (at the VERY most generous).
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| Elster88 May 12 2006 02:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 12 2006 02:43 PM |
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I thought I was the only one who cared about silly voting.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 12 2006 02:35 PM |
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A five-inning game does lead to some oddities.
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| metsmarathon May 12 2006 02:37 PM |
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see, if i choose to award ten points for each and every game, i think that's my right as a schaeffer voter. the total of my points that i give out should not be subject to scrutiny, however i agree that the distribution of those points should be subject to debate and question.
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| Elster88 May 12 2006 02:42 PM |
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The should not be subject to scrutiny, but they should be open to debate and question?
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| metirish May 12 2006 02:44 PM |
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I kept the beer in the cooler for last nights game...no beer for anyone.
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| seawolf17 May 12 2006 02:45 PM |
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They're open to debate and discussion, but I'm entitled to award points however I see fit. Maybe I think a guy had good at bats, or he made a nice play or two; so I show him a little extra Schaefer love. If you don't see it that way, then don't; it'll all balance out in the final tally.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 12 2006 02:49 PM |
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I suspect that there won't be many games that get fewer voters and points than that five-inning game will.
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| TransMonk May 12 2006 03:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 12 2006 03:35 PM |
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I'm in agreement with the awarding points how the poster sees fit. That is the point of a poll, otherwise one poster would just tell us who the player of the game was and who got what points.
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| Nymr83 May 12 2006 03:29 PM |
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i agree with metsmarathon...if everything isn't relative to the one game you're voting on then you need to lift the 10 point max for those nights when we win 10-0 with 3 guys who have 2 extra base RBI hits each and a pitcher who went 9 shutout innings (an automatic 6 in my book)
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| Elster88 May 12 2006 03:29 PM |
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Look, I don't want to tell anyone to vote. Saying "I think a person should choose how to vote for himself" is a little like saying "I think a person should choose how to write his own posts". (In other words, no shit.)
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| Nymr83 May 12 2006 03:32 PM |
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i don't think anyone is saying differently, but someone impolied that someone else was saying differently so everyone felt the need to jump on the "i support freedom to vote as you choose too" bandwagon
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| metsmarathon May 12 2006 03:53 PM |
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true enough. on my absolute scale, everyone got the following: trachsel 2.00 castro 1.75 matsui 1.25 beltran 0.75 delgado 0.50 wright 0.50 nady -0.30 reyes -0.30 how i award these points is tricky, and maybe i'll hafta go in and look at how i award points for a loss (right now a loss is worth -3 points. i'm thinking of looking at what happens if i make that -5 points... so long as it doesnt screw things up too much maybe i will... for comparison, a win is worth only 1 point, tho the innings pitched, strikeouts, etc that a pitcher did to get that win earn him more.) what i do is then look at the top six performers in a game, and if their total is greater than 10 points, i scale them down to fit. if not, they remain absolute, as in tonight, where the total added up to 6.75 points. the points for these six performers then gets rounded up or down, to the nearest whole number, and often the top performer will get a bonus point, but not tonight. i try to award points to four or at most five. rarely six. and adjust the points around to match ten, and appear fair. this very much overly complicated, and impossible to automate, system has yielded votes in conventional wins that are often exactly the same as those which other voters give out, or are at least very much in line with the consensus. and therefore, i consider hte overall methodology to be sound, and not necessary to abandon it in a loss, or an awkward game like last night. that's how loduca got his 2 points. 1 hit * 0.25 + 1 bb * 0.59 + 2 tb * 0.50 = 1.75 points. rounded up = 2 points. by comparison... trachsel's 2 points came as follows: 4 ip * 2.00 - 6 hits * 0.25 - 2 R * 0.50 - 2 ER * 0.50 - 2 BB * 0.25 + 3 SO * 0.50 - 1 Hr * 0.50 - 1 Loss * 3.00 = 2.00 points. of course, i did go out on a limb and award an effort point for Nady. tough luck on that play. he coulda had over 4 points on the double with three RBI. a five point swing on the nose of mr. roward, on account of the men lob. well, that should just about kill off anybody every questioning my point totals. like you'd ever want to see me walk through that crap again!
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| Gwreck May 12 2006 04:13 PM |
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Didn't mean to suggest that wasn't your right. I thought discussion of how many points to award though was as important as who got them.
Didn't mean to try to take away people's fun. I did think the whole point of the board was to discuss stuff. I think that includes having some sort of basis for opinions/voting/etc.
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| TransMonk May 12 2006 04:31 PM |
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Hey, I still think Schaefer is fun, otherwise I wouldn't do it.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 15 2006 11:35 AM |
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I had posted this in the RLF, but figured I ought to post it here, too, for those of you who wisely don't visit that forum:
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| ScarletKnight41 May 18 2006 05:27 PM |
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If ever there were a candidate for negative Schaeffer points, it would be Lima.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 19 2006 08:15 AM |
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Month-to-date totals for May 2006
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of May 16, 2006
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| Willets Point May 19 2006 08:18 AM |
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Yancy's back! Now there's gonna be trouble.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 19 2006 08:20 AM |
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I'm just back for the Schaefering. I now return to my self-imposed exile until next Friday. See you then!
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| Willets Point May 19 2006 08:24 AM |
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:(
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| ScarletKnight41 May 19 2006 09:16 AM |
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:(
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| metsmarathon May 19 2006 03:24 PM |
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whew! i had assumed he was just dead or something!
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| KC May 19 2006 04:24 PM |
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I'll be reminding everyone and bumping the threads next week when the
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| Yancy Street Gang May 26 2006 09:14 AM |
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As things stand now, the player of the year race is pretty tight, but the player of the month race is even tighter.
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of May 23, 2006
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| Yancy Street Gang May 26 2006 09:21 AM |
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Well, that's it for this week.
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| Willets Point May 26 2006 09:24 AM |
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Please stay around. We can be the Strawberry twins!
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| Yancy Street Gang May 26 2006 09:28 AM |
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Maybe we can both dress up like Holly Hobby.
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| seawolf17 May 26 2006 09:28 AM |
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Or Strawberry Shortcake.
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| Edgy DC May 26 2006 09:37 AM |
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I love that Darryl gets to hover above the city on his flying on-deck circle.
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| Frayed Knot May 26 2006 09:45 AM |
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I hope your (Yancy's) program has the ability to distinguish future votes for O. Hernandez without adding them to past (and possibly future as well) votes for A. Hernandez.
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| Willets Point May 26 2006 10:15 AM |
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Let's hope O. Hernandez is able to get votes.
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| cooby May 26 2006 06:13 PM |
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hey, yancy's back
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| Willets Point May 26 2006 06:15 PM |
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Hey la, hey la.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 27 2006 06:18 AM |
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Not back, cooby, at least not yet. I just stopped in to do my Friday Schaefering. I'm making a special Saturday cameo appearance because I forgot to mention yesterday what Frayed Knot apparently remembered. (Thanks, Frayed!) My spreadsheet will be able to distinguish between the Hernandezes. But the voters will have to help: When voting for Orlando Hernandez, please vote for OHernandez. Not dots, please. And no apostrophes, either. (He's not Irish.) Also, when and if Anderson Hernandez returns, please vote for him as AHernandez. Thanks. And I'll see you all again on Friday, if not sooner.
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| cooby May 27 2006 09:12 AM |
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| SteveJRogers May 27 2006 10:17 AM |
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Also to add, do don't put "El Duque" even though it is a common name used for Orlando Hernandez, to the point where I'm sure if you asked some casual or non fan who Orlando Hernandez was they'd give you a blank stare, but say El Duque, they know exactly who you are talking about
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| Nymr83 May 27 2006 10:28 AM |
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O'Hernandez (or is it O'Duque?) is very upset at your ignorance of his Irish heritage. If you ever want him to pitch well for the Mets you're going to have to meet his demands: 1. Do not leave the apostrophe out of his name in Schaeffer voting. 2. On days O'Hernandez pitches, the Schaffer voting will be called the Guiness POTG voting, because Schaffer sucks and Guiness is Irish. 3. Mr. Met will be replaced by a drunken Leprechaun.
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| Yancy Street Gang May 30 2006 09:47 AM |
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I noticed that some people voted O.Hernandez and others OHernandez.
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| seawolf17 May 30 2006 09:58 AM |
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Unless you want to give him "zero point hernandez" points, in which case that's fine. Even though that's not technically a number.
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| ScarletKnight41 May 30 2006 10:46 AM |
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Or unless, in this unique case, we all agree to refer to him as El Duque.
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| MFS62 May 30 2006 11:01 AM |
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Speaking of the apostrophe, I've felt a little uneasy since joining the CPF.
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| ScarletKnight41 May 30 2006 10:47 PM |
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Normally a non-RBI single isn't worth any Schaefer points, but I gave .25 to Milledge tonight because I felt that a first major league hit in his first major league game was worth a sip of beer.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 01 2006 10:56 AM |
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In case it got overlooked in the voting thread from Sunday's game, in the future please vote for Orlando Hernandez as "O Hernandez" or "OHernandez" without the period after the O.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 02 2006 02:16 PM |
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For the moment, we're all caught up with the season totals.
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| Elster88 Jun 02 2006 02:39 PM |
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Many Schaefer beliefs are being disproved this year.
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| Elster88 Jun 06 2006 10:35 AM |
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Stickying the threads is a good idea.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 06 2006 10:42 AM |
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Thanks. Now let's see if it generates any votes.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 06 2006 12:01 PM |
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I'll unsticky the three San Francisco Schaefer threads on Wednesday morning when the voting ends.
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| Nymr83 Jun 06 2006 01:27 PM |
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i think everything should be stickied until voting is done.
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 08:57 AM |
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My plea: Do NOT give Valentin any points for yesterday's game!! (the 8-5 loss to the Dodgers)
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 09:41 AM |
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Valentin cost us the game!!
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| Johnny Dickshot Jun 07 2006 09:54 AM |
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He surrendered two two-run homers?
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 09:54 AM |
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Well. Fine. Be logical.
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 10:27 AM |
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But even if he didn't lose the entire game by himself, I'd argue that after his performance he doesn't deserve any Schaefer for yesterday's game.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jun 07 2006 10:37 AM |
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Without his double in the 2nd we'd have never been in the game to start with.
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 10:44 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 07 2006 10:56 AM |
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From the 6/5/06 Schaefer thread.
So essentially what you're saying is you change your vote to cancel out how other people vote?! THIS, I have a problem with. Vote as you see fit....DO NOT vote to counter what other people vote. If other people think he only deserves 4, then that should taken into account in the average. If you adjust your vote then you cancel out what someone else's legitimate belief was. It's not up to you to decide what is "absurdly low" or too high or whatever. I know that I argue, sometimes too adamantly, when I disagree with someone's scoring, but that's part of the "debate and discussion". Adjusting your voting to cancel out what someone does is crossing the line into minimizing his view. I shouldn't change my vote from a 4 to a 3 because I saw people voting higher than I wanted. Doing that is unfair.
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| Nymr83 Jun 07 2006 10:56 AM |
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i was kidding when i said that, i didn't edit my vote.
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 10:57 AM |
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Then I shouldn't have gotten on your case so much. My bad.
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| Nymr83 Jun 07 2006 10:58 AM |
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not your fault, its not always obvious when someone is kidding around here
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 07 2006 11:09 AM |
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That's cool. Reasonable minds can disagree about this. Just don't get apoplectic when some of us weigh different factors more heavily or lightly than you do.
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| sharpie Jun 07 2006 11:39 AM |
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What I don't like is when the Schaefer POTG poll itself begins with an admonition such as last Sunday's: Please don't give Jose Reyes any points because his error cost us the game.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 07 2006 11:53 AM |
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That's a good point, sharpie.
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 12:23 PM |
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Well yeah, that's what I was going for.
Elster88 - "He takes his Schaefer voting too seriously."
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| Elster88 Jun 07 2006 12:37 PM |
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I think to call it an admonition is misleading and taking the remark way too seriously. I could've just said "I don't think Reyes should get points because his error cost us the game"---which is what I was going for. But where's the fun in a sentence like that? Besides, whenever I wait until after people vote to post a remark then people get sensitive, feel that I am challenging their votes, and accuse me of getting apoplectic. And now posting ahead of time, specifically so no one can feel personally challenged or personally insulted, is considered "an admonition" or telling people how to vote. So you're damned either way. Besides, would it really have made a difference if I posted my scores and then put the note requesting zero points for Reyes? Would it really have seemed less admonitory that way? Of course any time you post on the Internet the tone can easily be misinterpreted...so I'll agree to be more careful if more people agree not to be so easily offended. I should have limited my remarks to the AP Schaefer thread for administrative ease, of course...but I'm sure the same bruised feelings would've (and have) resulted from posting similar comments in the AP thread.
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| Nymr83 Jun 07 2006 12:52 PM |
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I'd add a qualifier to this- some things (diving catches and other defensive plays as well as baserunning idiocy come to mind) don't appear in the box score, and i have no problem with whoever starts the thread reminding everyone that beltran caught one on a dive or that some shmuck got thrown out at 3rd base trying to stretch a double with nobody out.
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| MFS62 Jun 07 2006 01:01 PM |
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Its good for those things to be mentioned for those of us who don't get a chance to see all the games. Thanks, 83. Later
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 07 2006 04:05 PM |
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LOL
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| Elster88 Jun 08 2006 01:53 AM |
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No more stickying of active Schaefer threads?
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 08 2006 06:41 AM |
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Just the ones within a day of closing.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 08 2006 10:47 AM |
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Glavine wasn't great last night, but I gave him a pony bottle of lite beer for giving us innings on short rest.
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| Nymr83 Jun 09 2006 10:53 PM |
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i might have given him something if willie had said "you are pitching" and he'd said "ok coach," but the way i heard it he volunteered all on his own so he really does have to take t he same blame he would for a normal start imo.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 09 2006 10:56 PM |
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If he didn't pitch that day, we would have had to find a Jeremi Gonzalez type of solution. Glavine deserves the beer for saving us from that headache.
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| Nymr83 Jun 09 2006 11:03 PM |
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he pitched like crap though, a spot starter can give you that outing.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 09 2006 11:11 PM |
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Not without making a roster move or totally mucking up the pen during a week that it was already used heavily.
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| Nymr83 Jun 09 2006 11:15 PM |
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Oliver could have been used easily.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 09 2006 11:20 PM |
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Not without taxing an already overtaxed bullpen.
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| Elster88 Jun 10 2006 11:59 AM |
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Beltran had about as perfect a game as can be had with the bat yesterday.
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| GYC Jun 10 2006 12:13 PM |
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| Nymr83 Jun 11 2006 12:18 PM |
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I'm annoyed that Soler didn't get all 6's.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 11 2006 04:05 PM |
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It looks like his final score will be very close to a perfect 6. But I agree that Soler met the standard of what constitutes a 6.
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| Rockin' Doc Jun 11 2006 09:25 PM |
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Mets 15 Diamondbacks 2 - There just aren't enough points for this game. I think that if the Mets score more than 10 runs, we should be allowed to award a point for each run they score.
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| Nymr83 Jun 11 2006 09:51 PM |
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well, i gave Martinez "only" 2.5 for 5 innings 1 run (that can get a 3 or even a 4 sometimes) because i felt that with the huge early lead he was given he needed to be more efficient with his pitch count and go 6 or even 7 innings, in a blowout game the starter's job is to go as deep as possible so that we dont use the pen at all.
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| Elster88 Jun 11 2006 09:53 PM |
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I thought he gave up both runs? Edit: I'm El SSSSSSSSSSid.
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| Rockin' Doc Jun 11 2006 09:58 PM |
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I'm Hubie Brooks, the invisible third baseman.
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| Nymr83 Jun 11 2006 10:06 PM |
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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260611129[/url] the box score says 1 off him, but if its wrong let me know
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| Elster88 Jun 12 2006 09:21 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2006 11:09 AM |
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Yup, you're right. Thanks, Nymr.
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| Elster88 Jun 12 2006 09:24 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2006 11:09 AM |
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Disagree completely. Easy example. David Wright went 1 for 5 yesterday with an RBI double. If we had won the game 1-0, then that hit is more valuable. Coming yesterday, I might not give him any points.
I don't see it as short-changing. Them's the breaks. Using the example above again about David Wright, if he wants a lot of Schaefer, then he should hit his RBI double in a game with less offense. One double is not as noteworthy or impressive when the entire team is teeing off on the same pitcher. If a pitcher is easier to hit off of in the particular game, then the hitter's hits are not worth as much beer. Degree of difficulty counts!!!
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 12 2006 09:24 AM |
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Also, even though there was a lot of offense, no one individual's contribution was essential to the victory. If Beltran, for example, had gone 0 for 5, the Mets still would have gone big. So he's not really entitled to a lot of points for that game.
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| Elster88 Jun 12 2006 09:46 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2006 09:47 AM |
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Which is why automated spreadsheets don't work for me. Normally, 1 for 2 with a double would be deserving of points, but obviously Marrero's performance yesterday was entirely inconsequential. To me, there is no way it makes sense to me that he would be considered a PotG.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 12 2006 09:47 AM |
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| MFS62 Jun 12 2006 11:25 AM |
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I gave Marrero a half point not for his bat, but for his glove.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 12 2006 11:30 AM |
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I gave Marrero a little bit too, because I gave points (or fractions of points) to a lot of the offensive contributors. For a game like this, a bunch of guys should get small rewards, as opposed to a few guys getting larger rewards.
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| TheOldMole Jun 12 2006 12:41 PM |
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I spread the points around too, going against my usual focus on the two or three key players.
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| Nymr83 Jun 12 2006 03:13 PM |
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About a third of the way through, the Player of the Month race for June is very tight. The Pitcher of the Month race is surprisingly non-competitive, at least for the moment, with a somewhat unlikely leader.
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| Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:51 AM |
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Two things stick out from yesterday's game that may be difficult to read in a box score:
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 09:43 AM |
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Wright's play was the number one Web Gem on ESPN last night.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 14 2006 09:48 AM |
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It may very well have saved the game for the Mets.
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| GYC Jun 14 2006 10:14 AM |
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People are vastly underrating Bradford's performance. Some aren't even giving him points. It was one of the major turning points of the game.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 14 2006 10:24 AM |
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In a game like this one, there simply isn't enough beer to go around.
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| Elster88 Jun 14 2006 11:29 AM |
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A theory:
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| Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:12 PM |
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has anyone been keeping poster-by-poster voting totals?
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| Elster88 Jun 14 2006 08:13 PM |
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I like Cameron.
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| GYC Jun 14 2006 08:18 PM |
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| Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 08:27 PM |
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huh?
how does it compare to the totals?
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| GYC Jun 14 2006 08:28 PM |
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This is not including last night's game.
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| metsmarathon Jun 14 2006 09:38 PM |
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interesting... for a team leading the league in ERA, and third in runs scored, you've got 57% of the points going to the hitters.
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| GYC Jun 14 2006 10:06 PM |
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Wow. Mine is only around 225 KB. I split the season up into 15 sections of 10 games and 1 of 12, and keep the stats updated for each section there, as well as each month, and 1 sheet for the total-season on going, and then another for a game-by-game. At the end of every month, I compare my points per plate appearance/inning pitched to those of CPF to see who I favor and who I disfavor (is that a word?). I didn't think of it soon enough, but ideas for next year, I want to tally up points for players in losses and in wins, plus stats when they get the points, etc.
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| Nymr83 Jun 14 2006 10:40 PM |
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are all of this year's schaeffer threads around somewhere or just the recent ones?
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 06:51 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 15 2006 06:53 AM |
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Older ones are in the offline archives. You can also see the game by game results, but not the individual votes, here.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 06:52 AM |
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You can do all that and more here.
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| GYC Jun 15 2006 08:34 AM |
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| Elster88 Jun 15 2006 08:37 AM |
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I was going to do it, but it's really only interesting for the first month or so. Then it's tedious.
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| metsmarathon Jun 15 2006 09:13 AM |
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 09:25 AM |
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Once again, there's no need to input from the box scores. It's all in the link I posted on the previous page.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 09:35 AM |
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Click on the Raw Data link. With basic spreadsheet skills, you can determine which players got how many points in wins, in losses, at Shea, on the road, against the Brewers, in Florida, even on weekends. How many points pitchers get in games they lose. How many times a player gets points when he doesn't get a base hit.
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| GYC Jun 15 2006 09:38 AM |
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I'm talking more about personal points rather than CPF, although that just gave me plenty more ideas on how to further advance my spreadsheet.
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| Elster88 Jun 15 2006 09:39 AM |
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I tried it last year GYC. It gets very boring, very quickly. Good luck to you.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 09:42 AM |
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I realize you were talking about personal points, but you can still merge your info with all of the data on that page. It would save you a lot of typing.
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| metsmarathon Jun 15 2006 10:07 AM |
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unfortunately, i wasn't thinking too much about future upgradeability in building my own spreadsheet. right now, it would be a mother to actually extract how the scoring is doled out in given games, who's gotten screwed the most by my scoring method, who's benefitted most from my rounding up, and who's had the most negative contribution to the season.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 10:09 AM |
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Wow.
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| metsmarathon Jun 15 2006 10:12 AM |
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i know. i'm a loser.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 15 2006 11:11 AM |
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Looser
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| metsmarathon Jun 15 2006 11:35 AM |
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well, right now, i'm not really giving out bonus or demerit points, unless there's something that really jumps out at me. and i think i distracted myself away from that catch...
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| Nymr83 Jun 15 2006 02:52 PM |
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any way i could get a look at those?
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 02:56 PM |
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Just click on the link in the paragraph describing the Featured Archives Forum.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 15 2006 04:52 PM |
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Voting for the June 13 game will end on Friday morning.
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| Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 04:38 PM |
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My Totals through the 15th:
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 16 2006 04:46 PM |
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Namor has a much bigger lead for Wright than GYC does, or than the forum as a whole.
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| Nymr83 Jun 16 2006 06:40 PM |
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my totals in general are probably higher because i give the full ten points in all wins and probably 75% of the losses as well. not sure how wright alone got so much higher, it may or may not balance out over the season (or i'm wright about his value and you're all wrong...lol)
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| Elster88 Jun 18 2006 05:28 PM |
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Good looking out. I meant to put Bradford. No discussion in the game threads.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 18 2006 07:12 PM |
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Show some love for Marrero today - his 7th inning catch kept the game from being tied and potentially changed the entire complexion of the game.
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| Frayed Knot Jun 18 2006 09:42 PM |
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He took a somewhat less-than-optimal track to that ball at first which made it a bit tougher than it should have been, but still a helluva catch in a big spot. Coupla nice catches by the new guy today.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 18 2006 09:43 PM |
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The ball up the shirt play was bizarre!
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 19 2006 09:35 AM |
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Voting for all three games of the Baltimore series will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Elster88 Jun 19 2006 10:29 AM |
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The losses get much less voter turnout.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 19 2006 10:40 AM |
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Yes. Losses get more votes than last year, though, when the 10-point requirement was in effect.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jun 19 2006 10:43 AM |
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Marrero's fine game is going underscored.
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| Nymr83 Jun 19 2006 10:45 PM |
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in the 9th inning of a game that you trail by more than one run a solo shot is essentially a single, or at best a double since theres no possibility of a DP after it. is Beltran getting points for that from everyone? or is it just the first inning RBI groundout?
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 19 2006 10:50 PM |
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He had the only two Met RBIs of the night. That's beer-worthy.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 20 2006 07:03 AM |
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The Baltimore games can all use some more votes. Voting for all three games will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Elster88 Jun 21 2006 08:46 AM |
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For those who missed yesterday's game, Duaner came in with bases loaded and no outs.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 21 2006 08:59 AM |
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I didn't realize that Elster - I was out for most of the game last night.
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David Wright, looking to repeat last year's title, is opening up a lead in the year-to-date totals. The 4.21 points he earned on Sunday against the Orioles pushes him to a more than ten-point lead.
Wright also has a healthy lead in the Player of the Month race for June. There are still 9 games left to play, and 11 to tally, so Beltran, Delgado, and Reyes can still overtake him with a big week. The Glavine-Martinez deadlock on Pitcher of the Month looks almost certain to be broken. Even if Glavine earns a pair of 5's he's unlikely to pass Alay Soler. Month-to-date totals for June 2006 Through game of June 18, 2006
The official annoucement of the June Player and Pitcher of the Month will be delayed a bit. I'll be away on vacation in Alaska from June 30 through July 11. Upon my return I'll catch up on all the game tallying (and on my personal voting) and the June annoucement will come some time during the second week of July.
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| Elster88 Jun 23 2006 08:55 AM |
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I think Wright is getting a little underscored for yesterday's game. Two two-run homers in 3 at-bats. Throw a walk in. If I'm remembering right, one homer tied the other game and the other took the lead. I'd say at least four points. You can't have a much better game then that. I guess maybe three home runs is better.
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| Elster88 Jun 23 2006 08:56 AM |
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I like using mlb.com for box scores because I think those links will be around longest, but I think I may switch because they don't have easy access to a "how they scored". I think ESPN has how they scored right there on the same page.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 23 2006 08:59 AM |
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Yahoo boxes have that info, too.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 23 2006 09:02 AM |
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Regarding Elster's comments on the June 22 game, if the voting were to end right now, Wright would get 3.97 points, Pedro 2.84, Bradford 0.86, Beltran 0.83, and smaller fractions of points for Reyes, Nady, Franco, Milledge, Bell, and Feliciano.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 23 2006 09:18 AM |
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I love David Wright, but you need to reward the pitching, and the other RBIs were important also.
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| Elster88 Jun 23 2006 12:38 PM |
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When the guy has a two-homer, 4 RBI day on a day we win 6-2, I'll take it away from the guy who pitches an inning with a 4 run lead or the guy who goes 2-4 with no RBI and no runs scored before I take some away from Him.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 23 2006 01:27 PM |
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Bradford came in with two on, put out that fire quickly, then pitched a quick 9th. IMO, that's more than just pitching an inning - that kept Cincinnati from getting back into the game.
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| Nymr83 Jun 23 2006 02:05 PM |
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i would probably have given Bradford nothing for the 9th inning of a 4-run game, its the fact that he ended the threat in the 8th AND then pitchedt he 9th that had to be rewarded.
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| Elster88 Jun 24 2006 10:46 AM |
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Why are we having trouble spelling the word Schaefer all of a sudden? That's like three threads now. One f.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jun 24 2006 11:23 AM |
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Oops - sorry.
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| TheOldMole Jun 24 2006 01:18 PM |
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Maybe it has to do with having more than one?
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 26 2006 10:37 AM |
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Voting for all three games of the Toronto series will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 28 2006 06:47 AM |
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Month-to-date totals for June 2006
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of June 25, 2006
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| Yancy Street Gang Jun 30 2006 09:01 AM |
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That's it! I'm outta here for a while. I'll be back on July 11 or 12 to catch up on the Schaefer tallying. Until then, keep voting.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jun 30 2006 09:40 AM |
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Have a great trip!
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| TheOldMole Jun 30 2006 09:46 AM |
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Surprises on the list as compared to what you might have predicted preseason? That Reyes is that high, and Wagner is that low. That Sanchez is above Wagner.
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| Elster88 Jun 30 2006 09:50 AM |
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And that Valentin is above both!?!?! I figured he'd have been cut by mid-April.
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| Elster88 Jun 30 2006 09:51 AM |
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Ha-yuge drop off after Pedro.
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| Rockin' Doc Jul 01 2006 12:23 AM |
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I tossed Chavez a minimal vote of 0.1 for simply saving the Mets the embarrassment of being no-hit by the Yankees in tonight's debacle.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 01 2006 12:26 AM |
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I agreed with that reasoning and gave him .25.
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| Gwreck Jul 01 2006 12:29 AM |
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Any good will Endy might have recieved gets taken away for the totally inexcusable error of getting picked off when runners were at a serious premium.
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| Nymr83 Jul 01 2006 07:04 PM |
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i gave chavez .25 because he stopped me from being really pissed about a no-hitter, he's now up there with Carl Everett on the list of
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| Johnny Dickshot Jul 03 2006 10:50 PM |
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Don't be dissing John Maine. It's too bad that by whiffing 7 guys in 4 innings in tonight's heat he wore himself out but his team had an excellent chance to win while he was there and was still very much in it when he left. Give him his beer.
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| cleonjones11 Jul 03 2006 11:10 PM |
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John Maine shouldn't even be in the majors...Pathetic Mets state..
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| Gwreck Jul 08 2006 12:12 AM |
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7/7 loss to the Marlins (Lima started)
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| Elster88 Jul 08 2006 02:13 PM |
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How did I miss this clueless statement? I guess because there are so many that I'm bound to miss one or two. To reiterate, Maine was lights out for four innings, then got tired.
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| Nymr83 Jul 08 2006 03:18 PM |
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Pedro is hurt. Traschel is hurt. Maine may not belong in a contender's rotation at this point but i can think of much worse spot starters that the Mets can use... ::glares at Lima::
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| GYC Jul 10 2006 04:35 PM |
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ASB Schaefer leaders for me:
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 11 2006 01:09 PM |
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Thanks for all the bumps, Gwreck.
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| Centerfield Jul 11 2006 01:10 PM |
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Yancy, did you intend to leave Beltran out in that Sunday night game against the MFY's?
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 11 2006 01:13 PM |
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By the time he hit those homers, the game was already lost. I only gave points to players who contributed to the four-run inning at the beginning of the game.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 11 2006 01:14 PM |
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Also, I don't want this to get lost at the bottom of the previous page:
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| Centerfield Jul 11 2006 01:15 PM |
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I see. Makes sense.
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| Gwreck Jul 11 2006 03:00 PM |
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No problem, I intended to bump them all up but then realized I missed voting for about half of them anyway... ...and I fixed that 7/2 vote, thanks.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 11 2006 09:43 PM |
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Sorry for all the stickies, but it will only be temporary.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 12 2006 11:55 AM |
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They're not stickied yet, but these games against the Marlins are very short on Schaefer votes:
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 14 2006 08:58 AM |
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Here's where things stand at the All-Star break. David Wright is widening his lead, looking to repeat last year's Schaefer-winning season:
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 17 2006 09:36 AM |
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Voting for all three games at Wrigley will close on Wednesday morning. I'll apply chewing gum to the three threads on Tuesday.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 17 2006 09:47 AM |
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I don't understand why some people are giving Wright more Shaefer points than Beltran for yesterday's game. IMO, the Grand Slam with a two-run lead is a bigger contribution than Mr. Wright's subsequent two-run shot.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 17 2006 09:50 AM |
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I agree. Floyd is the big contributor, but Beltran has to be a fairly close second. Floyd put the Mets back in the game, Beltran knocked the Cubs out of it.
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| Elster88 Jul 17 2006 09:54 AM |
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I can't speak for others, but I'm scoring based on the whole game performance, not just on their home runs.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 18 2006 09:10 AM |
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I sense declining interest in the Schaefer POTG award. (Maybe we have lower attendence during the summer months.)
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| Willets Point Jul 18 2006 12:42 PM |
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I haven't been voting much lately because I haven't been watching many games lately (I actually marked a spot on my schedule so that I make time to watch tonight's game!). I have a formula for awarding points derived from the box score but it doesn't account for things that may add points (great defensive plays) or subtract points (baserunning blunders) that I would notice if I watch the game. If you want votes I'll go through the box scores and just award points based on that but I do try to keep this honest by keeping aware of "the intangibles" so I don't want to skew your data either. Let me know!
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 18 2006 01:14 PM |
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Well, I like this to be as much of a consensus as possible, meaning the more voters the better, but on the other hand, if you feel that you don't have sufficient information to vote, I'm not going to tell you that you should vote anyway.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jul 19 2006 09:26 AM |
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How much beer do you suppose Beltran snatched away from Nady with that bomb last night? I thought this might be the day X-Man gets the drunkest.
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| metsmarathon Jul 19 2006 10:31 AM |
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sorry. with the move, and a busyness at work, i haven't been able to dole out barley-pop in what feels like a month.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 19 2006 11:09 AM |
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I've been wondering about that kind of stuff myself, so I made a little enhancement to the Schaefer results. It now lists the leading pointgetter for each game: http://potg.ultimatemets.com/year.php?year=2006 Nady's been the POTG twice: On April 16 and July 4.
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| Elster88 Jul 19 2006 11:29 AM |
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How many perfect 6's in the two years? I see none in 2006.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 19 2006 11:36 AM |
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The detail data for 2005 isn't so easy to retrieve. I seem to remember at least one 6, but you'd have to dig through the offline archives to find out for sure.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 20 2006 06:29 AM |
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I think voting will pick up down the stretch.
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| MFS62 Jul 20 2006 09:17 AM |
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My half point for Delgado is my attempt to encourage him during his struggles. I hope his double is an indication that the light has suddenly come on.
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| Elster88 Jul 20 2006 04:12 PM |
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This may be helpful to those who missed the 7/20 game:
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| Elster88 Jul 20 2006 04:20 PM |
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I had given Nady 0.25...but his hit really should've been caught in the tenth.
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| Nymr83 Jul 20 2006 05:05 PM |
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I gave Traschel 1 point in the 7/19 game despite him giving up 3 over 3.1 innings. I felt that he deserved a point for his pre-rain performance and that a manager has no business bringing a guy back after a 2 and 1/2 hour delay!
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| Elster88 Jul 20 2006 05:09 PM |
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Agreed
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| Willets Point Jul 20 2006 05:10 PM |
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More love for Bradford would be nice. Take some of Glavine's points if you have to.
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| Nymr83 Jul 20 2006 05:13 PM |
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i gave Bradford 1.5 and Glavine 2 which i think is fair.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 21 2006 10:29 PM |
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When you're doling out the Schaefer for tonight's game, keep in mind that John Maine wasn't even supposed to pitch tonight - he substituted for El Puke, who apparently would have collapsed due to the rain delay.
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| Gwreck Jul 22 2006 02:25 AM |
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If a complete game shutout doesn't get a "6" (and it hasn't, from a few voters), then what does?
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| Willets Point Jul 22 2006 02:57 AM |
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I don't award points that way. Everything is in context of the game in question not based on preset designations (ex "complete game shutout must equal 6"). I award points to all players who create runs (batters) or prevent opponent runs (pitchers). Whichever player has the most points is player of that game. So the 4 points for Maine is not a dis since he in fact has far more points than anyone else. As I've said before, sometimes there's just not enough Schaefer for those games when you just want to spray all over the clubhouse.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 22 2006 07:30 AM |
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BTW, for those of you who didn't see the game last night, Cliff Floyd should earn some Schaefer for his catch that brought a home run ball back into the park.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 23 2006 07:00 AM |
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I gave some brew to El Duque yesterday, but not a lot. Yes, he did settle down and ultimately went seven innings, six of which were excellent. But it makes me crazy that almost every time he pitches he gives up three or four runs in the first inning - it seems like the Mets are digging out of a hole every time he pitches.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 23 2006 07:44 AM |
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In a close game I would have given Cliff points for that catch, but it was only the difference between winning 7-0 and winning 7-1.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 23 2006 08:52 AM |
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Yancy - IIRC, at the time the Mets were up 4-0, so Cliff's catch kept it from being a 4-1 game at the time, and it kept the momentum firmly in the Mets' corner. IMO, that was worth some suds.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 23 2006 09:59 AM |
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Basing game points on what a particular player has done in past games kind of defeats the whole idea of selecting the Player of the [u:0516a7db10]GAME[/u:0516a7db10]
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| Elster88 Jul 23 2006 01:34 PM |
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Agreed.
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| TransMonk Jul 23 2006 01:59 PM |
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Sure, but more than the difference in the score, the catch did keep the shutout intact. With a rookie pitcher on the mound (and one that gave up 3 long balls his last time out), the importance of keeping that ball in the park cannot be overlooked as how it may have affected Maine's performance.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 23 2006 04:15 PM |
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I'm glad that the shutout stood up, but I don't think the catch contributed to the outcome of the game. That's why I didn't give it any Schaefer. It's about winning, not about shutting out.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 25 2006 09:08 AM |
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Heath Bell's performance on 7/24 is not as good as the box score makes it look. He came in with two inherited runners, and he let both of them score.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jul 25 2006 09:22 AM |
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Nonsense. For the record, they scored on a weakly hit lucky bloop to shallow center. Bell proceeded to hold the team that had pounded eight runs, 10 hits and 3 walks off Traxy to a 2 singles in 2.1 IP allowing the Mets to make a game of it. He gets as much beer as he can drink, dammit.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 25 2006 04:38 PM |
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Voting for all three Houston games will end on Wednesday morning. And as some of you have noticed, "Wednesday morning" might mean as early as 6 a.m. on Wednesday morning. It's whenever I get around to it, which may be rather early. So if you reading this on Tuesday evening, don't assume that the voting will still be open when you first sign in on Wednesday.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 25 2006 05:03 PM |
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You are correct Yancy - there are no make-ups on the schedule. July 31st is an off day.
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| Gwreck Jul 25 2006 10:31 PM |
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Uh, people giving Glavine Schaefer points for 7/25, did you all make typos?
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| Nymr83 Jul 26 2006 12:31 AM |
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yes. even 5 earned doesnt normally get points, 8 runs whether earned or not is a big fat 0
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 26 2006 07:12 AM |
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I threw him a half point just for making it into the 7th inning.
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| MFS62 Jul 27 2006 09:26 AM |
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Poor Alamo. He would have received a full 6 points if the Mets had been able to win it in regulation time. But some points had to go to the relievers and the folks who produced the winning run.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 09:28 AM |
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Alamo? Ah, I see, "Remember the..."
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 27 2006 09:42 AM |
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Voting on the Tuesday game against the Cubs will close on Friday morning. We're still low on votes, so please consider voting if you haven't yet.
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| Elster88 Jul 29 2006 06:17 PM |
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Just can't give Lo Duca the points I normally would for a 4-4, 2 runs scored game with the performance by Beltran and Hernandez.
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| GYC Jul 30 2006 12:16 AM |
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Beltran has July locked for me barring a great performance by Valentin.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 30 2006 10:52 AM |
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From the July 29 game:
Please edit this vote. I thought I had sufficiently hammered home the point that we should use real names (except for OHernandez for Orlando Hernandez) but I guess I was wrong. If the vote isn't edited it'll be discarded.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 30 2006 07:30 PM |
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Schaefer voting for all of the games in Atlanta will close on Wednesday morning. I'll sticky them late Monday or early Tuesday.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 09:12 AM |
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Elster - how come you reposted the box score for the 7/30 game?
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| Elster88 Jul 31 2006 09:13 AM |
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Just wanted to include one with the extended box score...strikeouts, walks and LOB and all that. Would've gone to ESPN.com because they have the "How they were scored section", but yours already included that.
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| ScarletKnight41 Jul 31 2006 09:15 AM |
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OK - but you'll have to deal with the potential wrath of Yancy for adding things other than votes to the thread.
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| Elster88 Jul 31 2006 09:15 AM |
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Haha yeah I know.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 09:17 AM |
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| Elster88 Jul 31 2006 09:17 AM |
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I thought you were the orange one, not the green one.
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| Yancy Street Gang Jul 31 2006 09:34 AM |
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Depends on how angry I am.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 02 2006 08:08 AM |
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From the final tally of the July 29 voting thread:
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Year-to-date totals through the end of July. His recent surge has put Carlos Beltran ahead of David Wright. Wright had had a fairly safe lead, but now it's a battle the rest of the way. They're both comfortably (at least for now) ahead of the next tier of players, Jose Reyes and Carlos Delgado.
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| Elster88 Aug 02 2006 02:53 PM |
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You know, taking a first glance, that's pretty darn close to how I would rank the players so far this year. Schaefer knows its shit.
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| Edgy DC Aug 02 2006 03:03 PM |
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Not that I've been voting, but Sanchez and Wagner deserve to be sitting around 7-10, don't you think? Certainly not behind El Duque.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 02 2006 03:08 PM |
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It probably wouldn't be unfair to have them slotted between Lo Duca and Trachsel.
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| Gwreck Aug 02 2006 04:03 PM |
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I'd have to spend a lot longer doing the analysis, but I think voters generally undervalue relievers, especially when there are several offensive stars in a game.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 02 2006 04:06 PM |
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It's hard to imagine a Wagner or a Sanchez ever getting a 3, but a starting pitcher or position player can do it on any given day.
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| Nymr83 Aug 02 2006 06:39 PM |
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mine are pretty darn close to the overall rankings, you have to go down to chavez (14-16) to find a guy who is 2 spots off and to milledge (21-24) to find a guy who is 3 spots off.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 03 2006 09:27 AM |
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Voting for Tuesday night's loss against the Marlins (the thread has been stickied) will close on Friday morning.
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| metsmarathon Aug 03 2006 11:16 AM |
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i am starting to think that my tabulation undervalues the contribution to wins that our releivers have, and i've got to go in and change that for next year.
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| MFS62 Aug 03 2006 11:18 AM |
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I'm still trying to figure out how Jose Lima tallied as much as a .12.
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| Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 11:19 AM |
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Oliver's one of the most important relievers in the pen, besides everybody else.
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| Willets Point Aug 03 2006 12:00 PM |
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Yancy's new nickname is Katherine Harris. One of these days I'll have to slip in a mysterious vote for Pat Buchanan.
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| Elster88 Aug 03 2006 09:50 PM |
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For those who missed tonight's game, Beltran made a very nice leaping catch at the wall in the first, saving a run. IMHO, it was worth a little beer.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 04 2006 03:39 PM |
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Voting for Wednesday night's win in Florida will close early this weekend. Voter turnout is still on the low side, especially for a Mets win. So be sure to vote if you haven't already.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 04 2006 03:39 PM |
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Thanks (I guess) Namor, but as I think I've pointed out, it's okay to make comments in the same post as your vote as long as you don't include any numeric characters. But you're correct in that anything that may lead to conversation within the voting thread ought to be discouraged, because that would just be more clutter that I'd have to weed through.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 07 2006 09:33 AM |
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Voting for Thursday's game in Florida will close on Tuesday morning.
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Okay, the Phillies games are all closed out. Here are the month-to-date and year-to-date totals, up to the minute excluding last night's game against the Padres.
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of August 6, 2006
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| Elster88 Aug 09 2006 08:57 AM |
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Going into yesterday's game, Lo Duca was 43 for his last 100.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 10 2006 01:22 PM |
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Serious lack of votes for the two Padres games so far.
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| Elster88 Aug 13 2006 11:18 AM |
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I do not believe Maine deserves any Schaefer for last night's game, and I am taking into account the run scored.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 13 2006 11:33 AM |
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I gave Maine 1 point based on the strength of his first five innings - I felt that they were worth a sip of beer.
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| Elster88 Aug 13 2006 11:37 AM |
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I was tempted. From reading the articles and IGT it sounds like he was really solid through the first few innings. But I'm trying my best to stick to basing my beer distribution on the game as a whole.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 13 2006 12:27 PM |
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He was better than solid - Maine was commanding for the first five innings.
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| Elster88 Aug 13 2006 01:28 PM |
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Sounds like the same story as his first couple of starts.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 13 2006 03:17 PM |
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In dolling out beer today, one thing that won't show up in the box score is that Valentin made a really nice play to get the runner at first to end the bases loaded threat in the 7th inning. No matter what else happens today, Porn Stash has earned at least a sip of Schaefer.
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| Elster88 Aug 13 2006 09:11 PM |
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Good call. I was going to say that too. I second.
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| seawolf17 Aug 13 2006 09:37 PM |
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I third. My points we simple: 2 for Trax for getting us there, 2 for Bradford getting the ground ball, 2 for Valentin getting to the ball, 2 for Delgado for the scoop, and 2 for Tucker for the GWHR.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 14 2006 09:28 AM |
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Voting for the third game of the Padres series
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 14 2006 10:00 PM |
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I wouldn't give Milledge any points for tonight's debacle. His poor defensive play in the first inning helped open the floodgates for Philly.
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| Zvon Aug 14 2006 10:04 PM |
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I agree that his fielding hurt him tonight, even in my scoring. A 2 for 3 in a game like this one would usually net you a 1 or 2 in my book. I threw him a .2 - so it did cost him.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 14 2006 10:07 PM |
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I can see that logic. But I still wouldn't give him any beer for tonight's game.
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| Zvon Aug 14 2006 10:25 PM |
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Lol--agreed. No excuse for that on the bases--he was already past the ball! He was already past the grounder and he somehow lets it hit him--thats weak. Sometimes just a tini weeny sip of beer when your thirsty can be torture - thats my plan--to torture him. ;)
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 14 2006 10:31 PM |
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A bit of side talk in a Schaefer thread is going to be inevitable when two people post threads simultaneously.
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| SteveJRogers Aug 14 2006 10:45 PM |
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I'm starting to think we should give out cookies instead of beer on this kind of night!
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| SteveJRogers Aug 14 2006 10:46 PM |
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Stale, moldy, "America's Choice" cookies, not Peperidge Farm, Nabisco or any top shelf cookie!
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 15 2006 04:34 PM |
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Very strange that the 13-0 blowout in Philadelphia is getting more votes than games in which the Mets beat the Nationals.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 15 2006 05:05 PM |
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Namor, you were the only one who voted on the Washington games this morning, and it looks like your votes were wiped out. Please vote again if you see this before the voting closes on Wednesday.
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| Nymr83 Aug 15 2006 11:50 PM |
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i dont care enough to do it again, its still in my private totals.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 16 2006 07:50 AM |
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That's the community spirit!
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| Elster88 Aug 16 2006 08:31 AM |
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LOL
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| Elster88 Aug 16 2006 08:34 AM |
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If three home runs isn't worthy of 6 points, I'm not sure what is.
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| Johnny Dickshot Aug 16 2006 08:59 AM |
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There's no "i" in Schaefer.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 16 2006 09:37 AM |
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Especially since nobody else did anything noteworthy last night.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 16 2006 11:20 AM |
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Voting for the August 14 game will close on Thursday morning.
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| Nymr83 Aug 16 2006 01:23 PM |
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edited. you'd have to be clinically insane to give el duque points for that game.
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| Nymr83 Aug 16 2006 02:18 PM |
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if thats the standard then why did we eliminate the rule that you must give 10 points every game? reyes' 2nd and 8th inning homers, while they may pad his statistics nicely and are a nice individual accomplishment, did next to nothign to help the club win.
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| Elster88 Aug 16 2006 02:33 PM |
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I gave him 6 because it's player of the game polling, not player of the win polling. He had about as good a game you can have hitting-wise, and did it when the rest of the offense got completely shut down. His individual accomplishment isn't lessened because it was a loss. In fact, it's more impressive because no one else could do anything with the bat yesterday.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 16 2006 02:40 PM |
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Nicely put Elster.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 17 2006 10:02 AM |
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Voting for Tuesday's night's loss to the Phillies will close on Friday morning.
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| MFS62 Aug 17 2006 12:01 PM |
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And that is the point I've made in several MVP discussion threads. I like the distinction made by the Sporting News in naming their "Player of the Year" award annually. It is the player who had the best (statistical) year, regardless of how his teammates performed or his team's record. The official MVP award is sometimes awarded to the player with the best stats, but it doesn't have to be. It should be awarded to the player who, when they are in the lineup and/or they are doing well, their team does better than when they're not. The most recent examples I can think of were in the AL. Two (or was it three/) years ago, when the Yankees jumped out to a double digit lead, Hidecki Matsui was their driving force. Jeter and A-Rod were off to slow starts and Sheffield was injured. But night after night, Matsui was the player who led them to that big lead. Later, Sheffield returned and compiled great numbers, but the Yankee lead actually decreased. Sheffield got the MVP, but I felt the W-L numbers showed that Matsui was "more valuable" to the record/performance of his team. The second example was Vlad Guerrero last year. While he was injured, his team floundered around the .500 mark. Once he returned to the lineup, his team surged to a playoff berth. They stunk without him, they won big with him in the lineup. And to me that was a demonstration of what an MVP is all about. (Unless you're Captain Intangibles. Then, all bets are off.) I agree with elster and Scarlett. The points awarded in our POTG should be like the Sporting News award, and based on what the player did. A Reyes- like performance should earn votes regardless of whether or not the team won. Later
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 17 2006 04:19 PM |
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I gave Maine a little less beer than I otherwise would have for today's effort because he left the game with two runners on base and nobody out. He was very lucky that the pen stranded those inherited runners and kept the Phillies from getting back into the game, so I made sure that those guys got some sips of beer.
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Jose Reyes making a strong bid for a Player of the Month award.
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of August 15, 2006
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| Edgy DC Aug 18 2006 10:57 PM |
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Let there be no overlooking Carlos Beltran this evening: 2-3, 2 walks, 2 runs scored, a steal of third, and an outfield assist (even if that last was something of a gimme).
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 19 2006 09:19 AM |
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Voting for the final game in Philadelphia will close on Monday afternoon.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 22 2006 01:16 PM |
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Low vote counts on all three games against the Rockies. Voting will close tomorrow.
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| metsmarathon Aug 22 2006 04:25 PM |
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well... that susks...
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 23 2006 07:38 AM |
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Month-to-date totals for August 2006
Season-to-date totals for 2006 Through game of August 20, 2006
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 23 2006 11:03 PM |
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Voting for the Tuesday night slugfest against St. Louis will close on Friday morning.
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| MFS62 Aug 24 2006 10:48 AM |
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Feliciano has a very good ERA. But it seems he usually needs other pitchers to keep the runners he puts on from scoring.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 25 2006 08:34 AM |
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Voting for Wednesday's game against the Cardinals will close on Saturday morning.
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| Johnny Dickshot Aug 26 2006 12:01 AM |
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Yup (c). It's gotta be looked at in the context of the game: Bannister had an awful first inning, gave up a HR to Howard, which certainly isnt a crime, but importantly pitched cleanly for 3 innings after that and left his mates with every chance to win it. Plus he was coming back from a long layoff and despite the 4 runs, prolly pitched just as well as he had -- if not better -- than those ugly April Houdini jobs where he was allowing a billion baserunners per inning but was sprung by good luck and good run support and richly rewarded by voters anywhoo. I suppoose you can argue 2 is too many, but I still came under the limit and I think there's an even weaker case for none -- especially when no one leaving him off the ballot even approached the 10 limit themselves. This during a home game where we brought the tying or go-ahead run to the plate for 12 outs, or almost half the game. I think most voters are too lazy with point distribution anyhow, particularly in losses-- just watch as guys like Woodward go beerless tonight despite having reached base twice and made a nice defensive play: In a one-run game where the team managed only 11 baserunners, shouldn't that deserve something?
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| Gwreck Aug 26 2006 01:51 AM |
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I'm tempted to agree, except that perhaps lets him off the hook a little too much. A hiccup here or there isn't going to render him beerless -- ie. the bad first inning followed by a solid 4-5 wouldn't be a problem. Nor would a big homer to otherwise mar a good outing. It felt like a little too much to be beer-worthy.
It's an interesting philosophical question. I don't know if everybody's lazy because it's a loss, although I know there are times when I don't feel like awarding points. That being said, if there's a 10 point maximum on wins, it often lowers the scores of worthy contributors. Last Tuesday's game versus the Cardinals, Beltran deserved more than he got for that walk-off HR, but Delgado had a big night, plus LoDuca had 3 hits -- plus there were four worthy relievers. So how do we combat this? By not awarding as many points in the losses. Sure, Woodward's 1-3 was OK, but we can't overlook the fact that he couldn't get a ball out of the infield when it mattered, either. The catch was great, but it saved a single when there was nobody on. Nice game, but in a loss it's tough to award beer. I worry sometimes that point totals can be inflated based on doing well in losses. Call it the Darren Oliver effect.
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| Johnny Dickshot Aug 26 2006 02:14 AM |
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Giving Woodward no beer is "rewarding" two times on base and a nice play as highly as Shawn Green's DP-laden, clutchless, failing-to-pick-the-ball-in-the-corner gets rewarded, for example.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 28 2006 09:27 AM |
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Voting for the final game against the Cardinals will close on Tuesday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 29 2006 09:11 AM |
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Voting for the Monday afternoon makeup game against the Phillies will close on Thursday morning.
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| MFS62 Aug 29 2006 11:22 AM |
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Angel Hernandez gets to blow the foam off David Wright's suds.
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| ScarletKnight41 Aug 29 2006 12:55 PM |
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Ewww - that sounds very creepy.
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| Willets Point Aug 29 2006 11:36 PM |
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It occurs to me that in a little over a month we will be submiting our votes for the first ever Schaefer POSTSEASON PotG.
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| Yancy Street Gang Aug 31 2006 09:16 AM |
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Voting for Tuesday night's game in Colorado will close on Friday morning.
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| Frayed Knot Sep 03 2006 10:31 PM |
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Endy deserves a little glove love for his role in a one-hitter in Sunday's beer polls
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 03 2006 10:34 PM |
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Please explain.
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| Frayed Knot Sep 03 2006 10:53 PM |
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He played a nice CF.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 03 2006 10:55 PM |
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For those of us who were, let's say, at a Labor Day party and who could only follow the progress of the game via quick glances at one's cell phone display, did he do anything specific that you could describe?
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| Frayed Knot Sep 03 2006 11:25 PM |
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Just a couple of nice running catches in CF that helped keep the game as close as it was. Worthy of a few sips.
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| Gwreck Sep 04 2006 12:11 AM |
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I'm glad that Carlos (no, the other one) spoiled the shutout in Houston too, but I'm going to pick up my crusade about solo homers when we're down two not being that helpful.
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| cleonjones11 Sep 04 2006 12:31 AM |
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Glove Love ? David Wrights suds in previous post Is this a bathhouse? and no I don't want in Not that there's anythong wrong with it.....
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 04 2006 07:48 AM |
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I disagree. Turning a 2-run deficit into a one-run deficit is pretty important, IMO.
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| metsmarathon Sep 04 2006 01:39 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 04 2006 01:47 PM |
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win expectancy going into the delgado at bat (based on retrosheet data from 79-04 [url]http://www.walkoffbalk.com/[/url]): .007 (24 wins / 3331 games)
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 04 2006 01:41 PM |
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Voting for the final game of the Rockies series would normally have ended on Tuesday, but because of the Labor Day holiday, nobody seems to be around.
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| Gwreck Sep 04 2006 02:21 PM |
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Thanks for digging up that data. Fascinating.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 04 2006 03:26 PM |
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Certainly. If other people had productive at bats, it wouldn't garner as much beer. But the home run was the only game in town yesterday, so it will garner more suds than it would have on a day that there was more offense.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 04 2006 09:53 PM |
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David Wright deserves a sip of beer tonight for sparing us from the indignity of being no-hit by the Evil Braves.
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| Gwreck Sep 04 2006 09:55 PM |
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I'm going to disagree. It wasn't a "prevent the no-hitter" situation from yesterday -- it was the 2nd, not the 7th or 8th inning -- and he got throwing out trying to stretch. I also think you reversed Bell and Ring's points. Bell: 1.2 innings, including coming in with bases-loaded, 1 out and allowing no runs. Ring goes 2 scorless, but he gets double the points?
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 04 2006 09:58 PM |
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I went for the two innings over the 1.2, but I can see bumping the thick legged one up a little.
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| Edgy DC Sep 05 2006 01:27 PM |
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Nice to see somebody else throw some love at Julio Franco simply for talking back. He's retained his stoic demeanor through a lot of bad calls the last few weeks, and he did his otherwise flat team a favor by showing some fire.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 05 2006 02:51 PM |
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Voting for the August 31 game against Colorado will close on Wednesday.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 06 2006 12:45 PM |
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Doesn't anybody want to cast Schaefer votes for the Mets-Houston series?
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| cooby Sep 06 2006 12:50 PM |
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I think if you unstick them, more people will notice your player of the month announcement
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 06 2006 12:51 PM |
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Hmmm. Maybe.
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| cooby Sep 06 2006 12:52 PM |
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Yeah but then you'll stick some more up there!
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| cooby Sep 06 2006 12:53 PM |
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Hey I just remembered, there's a doubleheader today
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 07 2006 09:50 AM |
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Despite his poor August, David Wright is hanging in there, and is surprisingly close to Carlos Beltran in the race for the big prize.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 08 2006 07:50 AM |
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Voting for both games of the doubleheader sweep over Atlanta will close on Saturday.
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| Zvon Sep 08 2006 09:52 PM |
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We chat about it in here Val.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 12 2006 09:18 AM |
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Thanks, Zvon. Be heard, yo!
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 09:06 AM |
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I figured i'd show my work for the 16-5 drubbing. apparently, 5 runs of offense and a decent inning's worth of work is enough to trigger a full ten points from me.
and if somebody could tell me why there's al lhtat blank space before my table, id really appreciate it. OE: never mind. i figured it out. its all the line breaks left in the coding for the table. interesting... better now.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 10:26 AM |
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I'm more surprised by your voting for last night's game, where Perez (5 IP 4 ER) gets three times as many points as David Wright (3 for 5, two 2B, R, RBI)
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 13 2006 10:37 AM |
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I barely understand what mm is doing up there but I love it.
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| metsmarathon Sep 13 2006 10:39 AM |
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quite simply, i overvalue innings pitched, and likely strikeouts, and have no method whereby i penalize starters for not tossing a quality start.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 10:43 AM |
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I'll probably do the Schaefer thing again next year, but the rapidly declining number of voters may make me reconsider.
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| metsmarathon Sep 13 2006 10:45 AM |
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i care enough to back-fill my spreadsheet even when i miss a month's worth of voting because of moving and vacations and workload.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 11:03 AM |
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You're one of the hardcore seven!
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| sharpie Sep 13 2006 11:16 AM |
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I was voting all of the time and have tailed off recently, as I've been outta town alot recently and watching fewer games. But I certainly hope it continues.
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| metsmarathon Sep 13 2006 11:24 AM |
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the super-complicated, error-ridden formula grants me the ability to vote even without necessarily seeing the games!
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| MFS62 Sep 13 2006 11:26 AM |
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We prefer to think of ourselves as The Magnificent Seven. Later
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 01:53 PM Schaefer and the postseason |
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I'm thinking that if the Mets get as far as the NLCS (or further) there will be a first-time-ever Schaefer Player of the Month for October.
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| MFS62 Sep 13 2006 01:57 PM |
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Like Major League Baseball, separate trophies should be handed out for regular and post season accomplishments.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 13 2006 02:01 PM |
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A starting pitcher with two strong outings will be hard to beat.
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| Valadius Sep 13 2006 02:07 PM |
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Seeing as this is the all-purpose Schaefer discussion thread...
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| metsmarathon Sep 13 2006 04:13 PM |
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shcaeffer reminds you to drink responsibly, and never ever to drink and drive.
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| Gwreck Sep 13 2006 07:28 PM |
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I thought the 10Ks were impressive too, but 4 runs in 5 innings isn't exactly giving your team a great chance to win...and it's worth 2 or even 3 Schaefer points? (Tue 9/12 game, Mets 6 Florida 4).
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 13 2006 07:30 PM |
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I like Ollie, but I didn't give him any points due to the runs. There were too many other pitchers who didn't give up runs and hitters who knocked them in and/or scored them last night. With so much achievement from others, there wasn't any beer left for Ollie.
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| Rockin' Doc Sep 13 2006 10:07 PM |
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Yancy - "We started the year getting 20 voters per game, even sometimes for a Mets loss, and now a win may get only 7 to 9."
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 13 2006 10:32 PM |
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In doling out Schaefer tonight, I plan to be mindful that Mota nearly gave up a 3-run homer in his inning of work.
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| Zvon Sep 13 2006 11:05 PM |
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thats bein kinda ruff on the guy. Milledge nearly went 3 for 3.... Reyes nearly handled that relay throw.... Its a game of inches, and Mota denied em.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 13 2006 11:27 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 13 2006 11:28 PM |
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What he said. Foul balls like that mean the hitter's timing wasn't right and pitching is all about messing up the other guy's timing. The fact that it was "almost" a 3-run homer had more to do with the fact that LoDuca threw a ball into right field, necessitating an intentional walk.
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| Zvon Sep 13 2006 11:28 PM |
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Cripes, tonights was a tuff one to score no matter how you sliced it up.
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| Zvon Sep 13 2006 11:31 PM |
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LMAO! I may have to rethink my .5, but I felt i had to split the points up among too many tonight. But the way you put that JD,---I think your right. Mota deserves more than a .5-im changin mine. (now who do i screw over to do it.....mmmmm..)
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| Zvon Sep 13 2006 11:34 PM |
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Mr Franco gets a .3 from me just for playing the whole extra inning game without a nap.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 14 2006 09:39 AM |
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Voting for Tuesday's game in Miami will close on Friday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 14 2006 09:52 AM |
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Doc, you're to be commended for sticking with this despite the apathy. I expect that I'll continue the Schaefer thing for 2007 mainly because I've automated it to the point where it requires little effort. I can tally and close a game in about two minutes. If it took even as much time as it did in 2005, when it was partially automated, I'd almost surely give it up. People seem to like both varieties of POTG. I'm not sure why they don't vote. That really takes little effort!
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| cooby Sep 14 2006 09:54 AM |
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Rockin' Doc, I know you started your polls for my benefit, and I just wanted to let you know that I haven't missed voting in one yet :)
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 15 2006 08:42 AM |
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Wednesday's fun win is very short on Schaefer votes. Voting will close over the weekend, so today's the last full day to get your numbers in.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 18 2006 09:56 AM |
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Voting for all three games from the lost weekend in Pittsburgh will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 19 2006 10:07 AM |
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Only three votes so far for a clinching victory that most of us must have watched?
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 19 2006 10:25 AM |
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Wow! WTG Yancy in getting peeps to vote!
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 19 2006 10:27 AM |
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Inspiring, ain't I?
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| Nymr83 Sep 19 2006 02:09 PM |
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i've gotten pretty lazy and not voted in a month or so, i guess i just got tired of it, i havent watched all 9 innings of a game in about 3 weeks now, i guess i'm just bored and wishing there had actually been a race in september, or even august.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 19 2006 03:17 PM |
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I've decided that I'm going to shut down the Schaefer stuff at the end of the regular season. In order to do postseason tallying, and keep it separate from the regular season stuff, I'd have to make some code changes and I don't see enough interest in Schaefer for me to invest the time.
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| metsmarathon Sep 19 2006 05:09 PM |
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i guess i'm not paying enough attention... what did floyd do that was sipworthy of schaeffer last night?
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| MFS62 Sep 19 2006 06:22 PM |
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Yancy.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 19 2006 06:36 PM |
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Thanks, but there are too few who care.
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| Willets Point Sep 19 2006 06:38 PM |
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I care. I vote in every game I watch and some that I don't. I just haven't been able to watch as many games lately.
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| Frayed Knot Sep 19 2006 09:40 PM |
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In addition to the technical problems with integrating the post-season, PotG just isn't that interesting for post-season games. Ws and Ls are the only currency that matter by that point.
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| KC Sep 19 2006 10:00 PM |
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I care, I drifted in and out of the voting ... but I couldn't decide on parameters
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| cooby Sep 19 2006 10:07 PM |
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Well, while we're discussing it, I never even look at the Schaefer polls (no offense to Yancy, because I know he works hard at them) but I never miss a mystery beer poll.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 19 2006 10:07 PM |
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I got to 3 decimals when I assigned points by gut, added them all up, and came up with something like 11.7, so I applied a discount to get the whole thing down to 10.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 19 2006 10:12 PM |
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I try to vote in both polls each game. I may have missed a game or two when I was on vacation, but otherwise I vote every day.
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| KC Sep 19 2006 10:17 PM |
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JD, You do a good job at everything here, I was just thinking of for instances
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| metsmarathon Sep 19 2006 10:24 PM |
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i never really votd in the beer polls because i could never come up with a good enough methodology, and "by gut" didnt really cut it.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 19 2006 10:27 PM |
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Well, you had an awful lot on your plate this past year.
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| metirish Sep 19 2006 10:30 PM |
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I admit I have slacked in voting this season, just some shit going on that's all and I have not seen all the games and I won't vote if I don't watch the game....but I think you guys do a great job.
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| cooby Sep 19 2006 11:17 PM |
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I think the beer polls ought to be pinned up too, since they don't move when you vote in them, like they did at ezboard
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| Gwreck Sep 19 2006 11:29 PM |
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I rarely miss votes either. I like both polls and try to participate regularly. Many thanks to those who run them.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 19 2006 11:34 PM |
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I believe this is only the second year of Schaefer. We completely changed the rules over the offseason. The big Schaefer payoff is supposed to be when we send out a press release and present the winner with a 6-pack but we didn;t manage that last year.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 20 2006 07:14 AM |
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I disagree. The fewer threads pinned up, the better. I find it hard to efficiently scan for new posts when there are a lot of threads pinned up at the top.
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| cooby Sep 20 2006 07:26 AM |
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Gotta agree with you there. In that case, I think the Schaefer threads shouldn't be pinned up.
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| ScarletKnight41 Sep 20 2006 07:47 AM |
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Agreed.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 20 2006 09:58 AM |
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Yes, this is the second year of Schaefer, and the rules are slightly different this year than they were last year. (This year it's okay to award fewer than 10 points for a game.) In 2005, David Wright was our first-ever winner.
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| MFS62 Sep 20 2006 11:35 AM |
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Woodward gets a sip for that acrobatic fielding play.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 21 2006 09:29 AM |
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Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Marlins will close on Friday morning.
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| MFS62 Sep 21 2006 09:54 AM |
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I like Heath Bell. I want to see him do well.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 22 2006 10:29 AM |
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Final reminder for Wednesday night's game. Only four voters so far. Voting will close over the weekend.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 24 2006 08:11 PM |
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Voting for Thursday's game against Florida will close on Tuesday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 26 2006 09:07 AM |
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Once again, and for the penultimate time this year, Tuesday is Schaefer Sticky Day. Voting for the three weekend games against Washington will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Yancy Street Gang Sep 27 2006 08:39 AM |
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As mentioned above, Monday night's game will close on Thursday.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 01 2006 04:54 PM |
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Scarlett, you have a vote for Hernandez in the October 1 game. I assume it's RHernandez you meant? Can you edit please? Thanks!
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 01 2006 05:23 PM |
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I'm trying Yancy (I'm also trying to fix the spelling of final). I'm getting a weird error message, though.
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| metsmarathon Oct 02 2006 07:25 PM |
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so i decided to relook at my voting in this mets MVP thing, comparing my "metsmarathon patented overlycomplicated schaeffer player of the game voting system" totals to a completely seat-of-the-pants subjective voting.
i'm not sure which of these i like better for going forward... i don't think that trachsel was more valuable than el duque... but maybe he was... quality versus quantity, and all that. off the top of my head, i think i valued quality moreso than quantity, while my spreadsheet seems to go the other way... for now, lets just pretend the spreadsheet is right.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 11:30 AM |
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ALL Schaefer voting for 2006 will close on Wednesday morning.
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 12:40 PM |
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And then the playoff potg's begin!
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 12:52 PM |
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Nope. At least, not for Schaefer. (Actually, we can Schaefer vote, but I'm not going to do any tallying.)
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 12:54 PM |
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How do we know who the Mets NLDS/NLCS/World Series MVP is then?
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| Willets Point Oct 04 2006 10:44 PM |
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I can't believe we're not doing PotG for the most important games of the year!!! What is the logic behind this???
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 11:02 PM |
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From September 19, in this thread:
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| Elster88 Oct 04 2006 11:03 PM |
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I volunteer.
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| Gwreck Oct 04 2006 11:05 PM |
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Thanks! (Going to vote for Game 1)
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| Valadius Oct 05 2006 12:47 AM |
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I vote that Schaefer tallying for the postseason should be simply an extension of the regular season. Basically we'd have a regular season Schaefer MVP, a postseason Schaefer MVP, and an overall Schaefer MVP.
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| Zvon Oct 05 2006 01:04 AM |
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I would have thought doing it for the post season would actually be a bit easier than it was for the whole season - but if it takes a software change I can understand your reluctance Yancy.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 05 2006 06:58 AM |
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That was the original plan, and I would have stuck with it if everyone hadn't stopped voting months ago.
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 05 2006 07:05 AM |
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What am I? Chopped liver? :(
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 05 2006 07:58 AM |
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I've never met you, but I expect that you're not chopped liver. Actually I should have singled you out for thanks, Scarlett. You probably started more of the Schaefer POTG threads than anyone else. I should have said, "if everyone but the seven loyal hardcore voters hadn't stopped voting months ago."
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 05 2006 09:00 AM |
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OK
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| SteveJRogers Oct 05 2006 11:46 PM |
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First two NLDS game voting end midnight EST Friday
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| SteveJRogers Oct 08 2006 12:41 AM |
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Schaeffer voting for the NLDS wraps up Sunday night/Monday morning at 12AM 10/9
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:44 AM |
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I thought Elster was doing the tallying?
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| Willets Point Oct 08 2006 12:44 AM |
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I though Elster was in charge of closing voting and tallying?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:47 AM |
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So did I!
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| Willets Point Oct 08 2006 12:49 AM |
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As did I!
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| SteveJRogers Oct 08 2006 12:50 AM |
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Okay, sorry...Elster I didn't see that post here when I went and did the first thread Tuesday night.
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| Zvon Oct 08 2006 01:57 AM |
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cripes-----why the disention?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 09:28 AM |
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Actually, I can save a lot of time and use my magic spreadsheet to total the votes for each individual game. (But without the pretty formatting I ususally use.)
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 10 2006 10:03 AM |
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Well, Elster seems to have abdicated, so I guess the coast is clear for Steve to tally the Schaefer games if he's interested in doing it.
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| Centerfield Oct 10 2006 10:08 AM |
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Shame on us for just playing out the string. I'll admit it. There were quite a few times in September where I was just flat.
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| Willets Point Oct 10 2006 12:24 PM |
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Yancy, is there that big a difference in tallying up for playoff series than for a month of the season? I mean can't you just treat the series like a month or is it more complicated than that?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 10 2006 01:18 PM |
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Yes. The totals would get mingled in with the regular season games. My plan was to revise the program to separate the totals by Regular Season, NLDS, NLCS, and World Series but I abandoned that plan a few pages earlier in this thread.
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 06:59 AM |
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In doling out the suds for last night's game, don't forget Endy Chavez's amazing catch.
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| Willets Point Oct 13 2006 09:57 AM |
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2 doubles + walk = no love for Delgado?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 10:02 AM |
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None of it contributed to any runs for the Mets. I had to give all my offensive points to Beltran, because without him the game's a scoreless tie.
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| Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 10:09 AM |
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Can I give points to Pedro Martinez for apparently calling pitches against Preston Wilson?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 10:11 AM |
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If I was doing the tallying, I'd say no.
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| seawolf17 Oct 13 2006 10:25 AM |
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Can I give points to Pujols for getting doubled off? That made me laugh.
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| Willets Point Oct 13 2006 10:42 AM |
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Ah, like Yankees fans with A-Rod. None of it counts because it was garbage time.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 11:11 AM |
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Yup.
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| Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:43 AM |
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I disagree. Two extra base hits and a walk are an excellent contribution to the offense. It's not his fault he wasn't brought home.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 11:53 AM |
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Didn't impact the game, though.
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| MFS62 Oct 13 2006 11:55 AM |
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YAYYYYY. Best news I've heard all day. Later
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| Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:56 AM |
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I disagree. Hits that don't score runs are silent contributors in stretching pitchers by making them not only throw more pitches, but throw more crisis pitches.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 12:34 PM |
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So are foul balls, to a lesser extent. I just don't think it necesssarily is point-worthy.
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| Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 12:38 PM |
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Far less so, unless somebody hits like dozens of them, which totally elevates a performance to point-worthiness.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 12:42 PM |
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Again, we all have our different definitions of what's worth points. That's what makes horseshoes, or something like that.
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| Zvon Oct 13 2006 05:36 PM |
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Ill also admit I let up at seasons end, for a number of reasons, the primary one being lack of Met games available to watch. I got to a point where if I couldnt see the game I didnt feel it was fair to score. (I used to print out the box scores and go over em for like 10 minutes divyin up the points on games I read online, most of the season-I take this serious) Probly silly of me- sorry bout that Yance- figured plenty would carry it. Did that many people stop scoring? Like Centerfield says, shame on us.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 05:49 PM |
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In the beginning of the season there were usually about 20 or more voters per game. By September it was down to 7.
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| Willets Point Oct 16 2006 12:48 AM |
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I was thinking I don't recall voting in PotG threads for game #2 & #3 and I went looking for the threads but can't find them.
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| Zvon Oct 16 2006 01:07 AM |
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I really wanted to hand the pen crew more pointage tonight---but-
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 16 2006 10:16 AM |
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This postseason Schaefer voting is even more pointless if we only create threads for the games that the Mets win.
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 16 2006 10:20 AM |
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Agreed. It has to be an all or nothing proposition.
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| metsmarathon Oct 16 2006 10:22 AM |
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i'm shocked there's none for the losing games. really i am. i'd've noticed it sooned if i'd had my handy dandy updated spreadsheet on me this weekend.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 16 2006 10:34 AM |
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Is anybody planning on tallying these games, by the way?
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| cooby Oct 16 2006 10:36 AM |
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Please don't pin them, pleaaase
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 16 2006 10:40 AM |
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Cooby doesn't like stickies.
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| MFS62 Oct 16 2006 10:41 AM |
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Thank you for starting them,Scarlet.
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 16 2006 10:49 AM |
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You're welcome :)
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| metsmarathon Oct 16 2006 11:02 AM |
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our hero! yay!
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 16 2006 11:04 AM |
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LOL <g>
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| Willets Point Oct 16 2006 11:23 AM |
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Elster, then Rogers volunteered, but neither have done so.
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| Zvon Oct 20 2006 01:08 AM |
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If anyone feels the need to ask why I gave Heilman a point in the final game of this metificent season, can it.
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| metsmarathon Oct 20 2006 01:20 AM |
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i am a geek.
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| Zvon Oct 20 2006 01:22 AM |
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^that is the koolest mm^
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