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Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Edgy MD Feb 27 2019 09:56 AM

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/_Qd_F6zxeJUxhKC6fMNQ0rDwgB4=/0x0:2959x2055/1200x800/filters:focal(1222x417:1694x889)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59605111/usa_today_10799289.0.jpg?w=500&h=333> Listen, you just don't improve on a year like last year. You can kill yourself trying, but when you ask Dwight Gooden and Tom Seaver and R.A. Dickey, they'll tell you it just doesn't shake out that way. I mean, yeah, I had lousy luck in run support. The worst. But the truth is that I had to have had some luck on the other end. I mean, that batting average with runners in scoring position? I try to be a bulldog, but things have to shake out the right way for that to happen. So, you try and do the same, be consistent, stay healthy and accept the consequences. I could pitch just as well and have an ERA a half run or more higher. Then again, I could get some support and win 24 games, you know? Stay healthy, stay positive, be consistent, don't get caught up in the contract thing, and don't self-destruct like Harvey. Or Gooden for that matter. Jesus. How's it gonna shake out this time?

smg58 Feb 27 2019 10:00 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Edgy MD wrote: I could pitch just as well and have an ERA a half run or more higher. Then again, I could get some support and win 24 games, you know? 24 might be too optimistic, but 20 wins with a 2.30 ERA would qualify as a reasonable regression on both fronts.

Centerfield Feb 27 2019 11:18 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

35 wins. 1.32 ERA. 0.578 WHIP. Write that shit down.

dgwphotography Feb 27 2019 11:19 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

9-3, 2.15 ERA, Tommy John Surgery in July.

nymr83 Feb 27 2019 12:16 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=dgwphotography post_id=3503 time=1551291595 user_id=78] 9-3, 2.15 ERA, Tommy John Surgery in July.

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Johnny Lunchbucket Feb 27 2019 03:32 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

17-8, 3.00, 250-50 in 200 IP

Lefty Specialist Feb 27 2019 05:53 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Will not be better than 2018, because that's not possible. 15-9, 3.00.

smg58 Feb 27 2019 06:36 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=nymr83 post_id=3504 time=1551295019 user_id=54] =dgwphotography post_id=3503 time=1551291595 user_id=78] 9-3, 2.15 ERA, Tommy John Surgery in July.

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Yeah, we'll all be a tad displeased if this actually happens.

MFS62 Feb 27 2019 06:50 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

16-6, 2.04 and more than a few gut wrenching no decisions. Later

nymr83 Feb 27 2019 07:35 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

As for a prediction, I'll say 190 innings (30 starts) of 1.00 WHIP, ERA around 2.50

G-Fafif Feb 27 2019 10:18 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Will clinch Met of the Decade honors. Pretty much already has.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 27 2019 11:14 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

He's the reigning Cy Young award winner. He received Cy Young award votes in three of the last four seasons. And five seasons ago, he won the Rookie of the Year award. Five seasons of excellence, all as a starting pitcher. You'd think he'd have about 80 wins by now, maybe even 100. Or near 100. Not even close 55. 55 lifetime wins for all of that.

seawolf17 Feb 28 2019 06:46 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

6-17, 2.13 ERA. Or 17-6, 2.13 ERA. There's no in between.

dgwphotography Feb 28 2019 07:22 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=smg58 post_id=3527 time=1551317762 user_id=62] =nymr83 post_id=3504 time=1551295019 user_id=54] =dgwphotography post_id=3503 time=1551291595 user_id=78] 9-3, 2.15 ERA, Tommy John Surgery in July.

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Yeah, we'll all be a tad displeased if this actually happens.


As Mets fans, we're not allowed to have nice things...

smg58 Feb 28 2019 04:28 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=G-Fafif post_id=3536 time=1551331088 user_id=55] Will clinch Met of the Decade honors. Pretty much already has.

Just out of curiosity, what are the Schaefer point standings for the decade?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 28 2019 06:05 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Schaefer Top Twenty, 2010 through 2018 [th]Player[/th] [th]Total Points[/th] David Wright 488.57 Jacob deGrom 453.12 Lucas Duda 408.33 Daniel Murphy 393.90 Jon Niese 379.93 Jose Reyes 318.81 Curtis Granderson 291.70 Matt Harvey 267.27 R. A. Dickey 261.29 Wilmer Flores 260.49 Ike Davis 244.55 Noah Syndergaard 243.32 Bartolo Colon 240.67 Michael Conforto 234.87 Dillon Gee 232.76 Zack Wheeler 224.72 Ruben Tejada 217.01 Juan Lagares 209.30 Yoenis Cespedes 208.43 Asdrubal Cabrera 197.31

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2019 06:47 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

And with the CPF Mets Ranking for 2018 not yet done (we should probably get around to that pretty soon, eh?) the top 20 standings for 2010-2017 with an estimate for 2018 included (which put JdG over the top): deGrom Wright Murphy Duda Niese Granderson Cespedes Syndergaard Reyes Dickey Harvey Conforto Wheeler Flores Cabrera Familia Colon Lagares Gee Tejada

Benjamin Grimm Mar 01 2019 06:57 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

The two lists have 19 of 20 players in common. The differences are that the Schaefer list includes Ike Davis while the Rankings list has Jeurys Familia. The lists may diverge a bit more once the final season of the decade is complete. Cabrera is more vulnerable on the Schaefer list but Gee and Tejada, for example, are more secure. And yes, I do expect Schaefer to continue in 2019. Since it's almost completely automated, I might as well keep doing it despite the growing apathy.

kcmets Mar 06 2019 09:35 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Third in Cy votes in 2019. I can't tell you will be second but will tell you who is first when we get to the S's.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2019 12:01 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

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41Forever Mar 22 2019 12:25 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Gets his long-term extension done before the team heads north. Starts All-Star Game.

G-Fafif Sep 02 2019 12:53 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Gary keeps pushing Jake for another Cy, which I would of course welcome but am not in the least bit feeling. Maybe I'm comparing him more to Jake 2018 than his 2019 contemporaries.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 02 2019 01:22 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=G-Fafif post_id=20603 time=1567450386 user_id=55] Gary keeps pushing Jake for another Cy, which I would of course welcome but am not in the least bit feeling. Maybe I'm comparing him more to Jake 2018 than his 2019 contemporaries.

I've been following this closely for the past month and a half. I dunno if deGrom deserves it if the season ended today but Jake's been climbing steadily from about the 10th or 12th best pitcher in the league to where I think he's about one of the top four or five today. I think there's still enough season left for deGrom to close the gap between himself and the other top pitchers but Jake's problem might be that even if he does close that gap. voters, at least the old school voters, dont favor the come from behind candidates because the other candidates were at the top of the leaderboards all season long, which shouldn't matter logically, but is a psychological edge, I think.

G-Fafif Sep 02 2019 01:52 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

DeGrom effectively came from behind last year, which, like his scant win total, made the award all the more remarkable. Scherzer was the consensus favorite at midseason. Tough to argue with a 1.70 ERA. Jake is at that level, I'd think, where voters might look at nobody being the obvious choice and deciding you can't go wrong with this guy.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2019 03:50 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Ryu's problems lately (several bad games in a row + now some IL time) have opened this race up and JdG has certainly been creeping more into the race with every start. Scherzer's IL time is a factor too; he'll wind up with significantly fewer starts, IP, etc.

Edgy MD Sep 02 2019 08:28 PM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Noah Syndergaard this afternoon entered the top 20 in all-time wins for Mets 'pitchers. I think when a player passes that tub full of long-time relievers at the back end is the day a pitcher becomes a man. Career Mets Wins as Credited to Pitchers 1) Tom Seaver (1967–1977, 1983): 198 2) Dwight Gooden (1984–1994): 157 3) Jerry Koosman (1967–1978): 140 4) Ron Darling (1983–1991): 99 5) Sid Fernandez (1984–1993): 98 6) Al Leiter (1998–2004): 95 7) Jon Matlack (1971–1977): 82 8) David Cone (1987–1992, 2003): 81 9) Bobby Jones (1993–2000): 74 10) Steve Trachsel (2001–2006): 66 Jacob deGrom (2014–2019): 64.46 =#0000FF]11) Jacob deGrom (2014–2019): 63 t-12) Jon Niese (2008–2015, 2016): 61 t-12) Tom Glavine (2003–2007): 61 t-14) Rick Reed (1997–2001): 59 t-14) Craig Swan (1973–1984): 59 16) Bob Ojeda (1986–1990): 51 17) Mike Pelfrey (2006–2012): 50 Noah Syndergaard (2015–2019): 48.82 18) John Franco (1990–2001, 2003–2004): 48 t-19) Jesse Orosco (1979, 1981–1987): 47 t-19) Tug McGraw (1965–1967, 1969–1974): 47 =#0000FF]t-19) Noah Syndergaard (2015–2019): 47

batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2019 08:16 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

DeGrom effectively came from behind last year, which, like his scant win total, made the award all the more remarkable. Scherzer was the consensus favorite at midseason. Tough to argue with a 1.70 ERA. Jake is at that level, I'd think, where voters might look at nobody being the obvious choice and deciding you can't go wrong with this guy. Don't look now but Jacob deGrom, right now, has the highest score among NL pitchers on Tom Tango's Cy Young award predictor. And why do they say don't look now when they really mean "look now"? The Cy Young case for Jake deGrom: https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/degrom-cy-young-case-is-stronger-than-you-think.html

G-Fafif Sep 09 2019 08:42 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Tim Britton presents astounding data on The Athletic today on how nearly every one of his teammates literally does his worst when deGrom is on the mound. (If you subscribe, read it; if you don't subscribe and can swing it, subscribe -- over a year's time, it's tantamount to buying the paper every day in olden days.)

bmfc1 Sep 09 2019 10:40 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

G-Fafif is correct about the value of The Athletic. Here is a link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/checkout?pc=raf40&plan_id=45&shared_by_name=Jeff&shared_by=133087

batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2019 10:44 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Tim Britton presents astounding data on The Athletic today on how nearly every one of his teammates literally does his worst when deGrom is on the mound. (If you subscribe, read it; if you don't subscribe and can swing it, subscribe -- over a year's time, it's tantamount to buying the paper every day in olden days.) By "olden days", I hope you mean like when a paper used to cost 10 cents. I've been on the fence about subscribing to The Athletic for a while now. I've already come across too many Athletic articles on the web that I wanted to read but couldn't because I'm not a subscriber. Your post may have pushed me over that fence.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2019 11:06 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=G-Fafif post_id=21332 time=1568040127 user_id=55] Tim Britton presents astounding data on The Athletic today on how nearly every one of his teammates literally does his worst when deGrom is on the mound.

It pretty much has to be like this, especially over the last two seasons. He's been pitching like an ace ever since he was called up, give or take his first two or three starts -- just to get his feet wet -- and he wasn't bad in those starts. He's Cy Young caliber over the last two seasons and after about five years of dominance, he has just 63 lifetime wins to show for his mound excellence. He should have close to 100 wins already the way he's been pitching.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 09 2019 11:19 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

He should sue the Mets --Ambler

Edgy MD Sep 09 2019 11:29 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Does he come to speculate on why? I mean, it'd take at least two psychologists, one specializing in organizational psych, an economist, and a statistician to separate how much is horrible luck, how much is shortcomings in the organization and their deployment and philosophy, and how much is something else, but there's probably at least something in there.

41Forever Sep 09 2019 11:44 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

I'm assuming the author takes into account that deGrom tends to pitch against the other team's ace. How many times has he gone head-to-head with Scherzer this year? That's going to have an effect in some ways, I think.

G-Fafif Sep 09 2019 11:48 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

“Small sample weirdness” and “for whatever reason”. Callaway agrees with Britton that maybe everybody is pressing. Bullpen ERA for deGrom: 7.81 Bullpen ERA otherwise: 4.69 Team OPS for deGrom: .723 Team OPS otherwise: .777

G-Fafif Sep 09 2019 11:56 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

=41Forever post_id=21340 time=1568051052 user_id=69] I'm assuming the author takes into account that deGrom tends to pitch against the other team's ace. How many times has he gone head-to-head with Scherzer this year? That's going to have an effect in some ways, I think.

Opposition starters in deGrom second-half starts Mets have lost:



Tyler Beede

Anibal Sanchez

Mike Foltynewicz

Jon Lester

Max Scherzer



Couple tough assignments there, but not always ace-on-ace action.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2019 08:38 AM Re: Hey, Nineteen:Jacob deGrom

Here's the link to BRef's 2019 NL Pitching Leaders page. Click on the "expand all leaderboards" link so that each pitching category opens to show the top 10 list instead of just the leader. https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2019-pitching-leaders.shtml Anyways, I think it's indisputable and beyond debate that Max Scherzer, pound for pound and rate-wise, has been the NL's best pitcher this season. But youse can check and decide for yourselves. deGrom rates higher than Scherzer according to some voters, because of his edge over Scherzer in Games Started -- 29 to 24 -- and, (it logically follows) in Innings Pitched -- 183 to 154. Scherzer's slowed down recently due to some injury issues where he's missed a few starts and, when used, has been under a strict pitch count limit, I think. But still, Scherzer's WAR is still higher than deGrom's even though Jake's pitched 20 more innings than Max.