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Rankings Project - 2018

Frayed Knot Mar 10 2019 07:21 PM

Yeah, I know, we should have done this four months ago. But it got put off for one reason or another and I kept forgetting ... although it's not like any of you folks bailed me out on it either. But now it's time to take one last fleeting glimpse of the year that just was, and the good thing is that this one won't get dragged out. With Opening Day two weeks from Thursday I'm declaring an end to this project on that Wednesday night, so if you want to contribute you'll have to do it soon. You know the drill: 30 players ranked from highest to lowest for their positive (or lack thereof) contributions to the 2018 NYM season from the (bigger than usual) cast of characters listed below: Hitters (in order of PA) Michael Conforto - Amed Rosario - Brandon Nimmo - Todd Frazier - Wilmer Flores Asdrubal Cabrera - Jay Bruce - Jose Bautista - Kevin Plawecki - Jose Reyes Jeff McNeil - Devin Mesoraco - Austin Jackson - Adrian Gonzalez - Yoenis Cespedes Dom Smith - Tomas Nido - Luis Guillorme - Juan Lagares - Jose Lobaton Jack Reinheimer - Phillip Evans - Matt den Dekker - Travis d'Arnaud - Ty Kelly Kevin Kaczmarski - David Wright Pitchers (by IP) Jacob deGrom - Zack Wheeler - Noah Syndergaard - Steven Matz - Seth Lugo Jason Vargas - Robert Gsellman - Corey Oswalt - Paul Sewald - Jerry Blevins Jeurys Familia - Jacob Rhame - Tylor Bashlor - Drew Smith - Tim Peterson Matt Harvey - Anthony Swarzak - AJ Ramos - Hansel Robles - Drew Gagnon Chris Beck - Daniel Zamora - PJ Conlon - Chris Flexen - Bobby Wahl Gerson Bautista - Buddy Baumann - Eric Hanhold - Scott Copeland

Vic Sage Mar 12 2019 01:14 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018 Edited 12 time(s), most recently on Mar 29 2019 08:19 AM

2018 Mets: 1. DeGrom 2. Nimmo 3. Syndegaard 4. Wheeler 5. Conforto 6. McNeil 7. Lugo 8. Matz 9. Cabrera 10. Frazier 11. Familia 12. Cespedes 13. Rosario 14. Bautista 15. Plawecki 16. Mesoraco 17. Flores 18. Lagares 19. DrSmith 20. Zamora 21. Gsellman 22. Vargas 23. Bruce 24. Blevins 25. Bashlor The following did significantly more harm than good, or contributed too little to consider, but i had to list somebody: 26. Oswalt 27. Jackson 28. Peterson 29. Rhame 30. Wright as well as: Gonzalez Do.Smith Reyes *(despite the number of ABs they had, i could not in good conscience list Reyes, Gonzalez, or Do.Smith, because they all hurt the time more and more with every appearance. they would have helped the Mets more by not playing at all. I did more for the team by not playing than they did by playing). guillorme Nido Harvey Swarzak Robles Ramos Sewald

seawolf17 Mar 12 2019 02:23 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Wait, I remember doing this...?

Frayed Knot Mar 12 2019 02:28 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Vic Sage wrote: 2018 Mets: 19. Dr.Smith Ahead of Will Robinson? ... No fuckin' way!!

Vic Sage Mar 13 2019 03:40 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

well played, sir.

kcmets Mar 13 2019 06:11 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

=seawolf17 post_id=4208 time=1552422229 user_id=91] Wait, I remember doing this...?

I don't remember doing 2017, but I looked and I did.

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 14 2019 06:26 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

1st time thru. Hat tip at buttend for short-time performers Lagares and Zamora over shit guys who lasted longer like Harvey, Ramos and Swarzak 30. deGrom 29. Nimmo * 28. Syndergaard 27. Wheeler 26. Conforto * 25. Lugo 24. Familia 23. McNeil 22. Flores 21. Rosario 20. Cabrera 19. Matz 18. Gsellman 17. Frazier * 16. Cespedes 15. Mesoraco 14. Vargas 13. Blevins 12. Bruce 11. Plawecki * 10. Drew Smith 9. Bautista 8. Bashlor 7. A. Gonzalez 6. Dom Smith 5. Reyes 4. Oswalt 3. Jackson * 2. Lagares 1. Zamora

seawolf17 Mar 14 2019 08:21 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 15 2019 09:50 AM

Here we go! deGrom Wheeler Nimmo Syndergaard Conforto Frazier Matz Cabrera McNeil Lugo Bautista Familia Gsellman Flores Rosario Plawecki Mesoraco Bruce Blevins Vargas Jackson Drew Smith Zamora Cespedes Gonzalez Bashlor Dom Smith Lagares Oswalt Wright Jeez, it got to be slim pickings once you hit the middle of that list.

Ceetar Mar 14 2019 08:51 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

1 David Wright 2 Jacob deGrom 3 Brandon Nimmo 4 Zack Wheeler 5 Noah Syndergaard 6 Michael Conforto 7 Jeff McNeil 8 Asdrubal Cabrera 9 Todd Frazier 10 Amed Rosario 11 Seth Lugo 12 Jeurys Familia 13 Steven Matz 14 Yoenis Cespedes 15 Kevin Plawecki 16 Devin Mesoraco 17 Juan Lagares 18 Wilmer Flores 19 Jose Bautista 20 Jason Vargas 21 Drew Smith 22 Daniel Zamora 23 Robert Gsellman 24 Jay Bruce 25 Austin Jackson 26 Scott Copeland 27 Paul Sewald 28 Eric Hanhold 29 Jerry Blevins 30 Matt Harvey

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 14 2019 09:17 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

One thing that strikes you when you go down this list is how consistently terrible the ERAs were for almost every reliever. It's not likely any of the million guys who pitched for us last year will be invited to perform in such a land of opportunity again, and every one of them shit on the chance they had. Drew Smith and Bashlor were okay sometimes; and Peterson for a short while, but yikes. And of course even the guys who "didn't suck" sucked like Robles, Blevins and Ramos. I wanna blame Eiland or the bullpen coach or someone. The bad offense also, but it was like there was disease in the bullpen.

seawolf17 Mar 14 2019 10:14 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: One thing that strikes you when you go down this list is how consistently terrible the ERAs were for almost every reliever. It's not likely any of the million guys who pitched for us last year will be invited to perform in such a land of opportunity again, and every one of them shit on the chance they had. Drew Smith and Bashlor were okay sometimes; and Peterson for a short while, but yikes. And of course even the guys who "didn't suck" sucked like Robles, Blevins and Ramos. I wanna blame Eiland or the bullpen coach or someone. The bad offense also, but it was like there was disease in the bullpen. Totally. I was scanning the B-R page trying to find *something* to differentiate these guys, but every one of them pitched 15-20 innings with a 6.50 ERA. Crikey.

Frayed Knot Mar 14 2019 12:48 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom

seawolf17 Mar 15 2019 07:44 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom I'm sure David appreciates the Lifetime Achievement vote, but honestly...

Ceetar Mar 15 2019 07:53 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom I'm sure David appreciates the Lifetime Achievement vote, but honestly... he deserves it dammit. But if you think it's against the spirit you can move him to the other side of the list. his presence on it is non-negotiable.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 15 2019 08:17 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

=Ceetar post_id=4284 time=1552575111 user_id=102] 1 David Wright 2 Jacob deGrom....

Naturally.

seawolf17 Mar 15 2019 09:51 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Yeah, fine. I'll throw him a point too. Edited my list.

Vic Sage Mar 15 2019 09:56 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

me too. better giving a symbolic point to Wright than any of Swarzak, Dom Smith, or AGon, who all did waaaaay more harm than good.

Frayed Knot Mar 20 2019 06:44 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

30 - deGROM -- Any questions? 29 - NIMMO -- only McNeil (with a much smaller sample size) had more RC/27 and only Cespedes (again SSS) better IsoP 28 - WHEELER -- 4 more starts, 28 more IP, better WHIP than Syndergaard 27 - SNYDERGAARD 26 - CONFORTO 25 - McNEIL -- half the number of PA/AB as compared to the regulars, but usually superior everywhere else 24 - LUGO -- best ERA on the team 23 - FAMILIA 22 - FLORES -- gets some love for his freakish game-on-the-line clutchiness 21 - CABRERA -- actually tied for 2nd in team HR 20 - ROSARIO 19 - FRAZIER 18 - MATZ 17 - GSELLMAN 16 - BRUCE 15 - PLAWECKI -- 22 of his 50 hits were for XBs 14 - CESPEDES 13 - MESORACO 12 - VARGAS 11 - BAUTISTA 10 - BLEVINS 9 - DR SMITH -- Danger Will Robinson 8 - OSWALT -- going on pure numbers alone cuz I already have no memory of this guy 7 - BASHLOR 6 - REYES 5 - SEAWALD 4 - JACKSON 3 - SWARZAK 2 - GONZALEZ 1 - WRIGHT -- Yeah, sure, why not.

Frayed Knot Mar 20 2019 06:48 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Remember: One week remains for any additional contributions, additions, edits, arguments, or just plain mocking of other votes. Actually the mocking never ends, but all voting will close next Wednesday night precisely at the stroke of wheneverIgetaroundtoit.

G-Fafif Mar 27 2019 04:37 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Will look to hit ya up with this tonight.

Frayed Knot Mar 27 2019 06:25 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

I will hold off on any finalizing until such time as you chime in.

G-Fafif Mar 27 2019 09:11 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

It gets a little hodgepodgey midway through, which is probably an improvement on 2017, where after the first four or five it didn't seem to matter. 30. deGrom 29. Wheeler 28. Nimmo 27. Conforto 26. Rosario 25. Syndergaard 24. Cabrera 23. McNeil 22. Lugo 21. Flores 20. Gsellman 19. Matz 18. Familia 17. Blevins 16. Frazier 15. Plawecki 14. Bautista 13. Bruce 12. Mesoraco 11. Reyes 10. Gonzalez 9. Jackson 8. Drew Smith 7. Bashlor 6. Cespedes 5. Lagares 4. Vargas 3. Dom Smith 2. Oswalt 1. Reinheimer

LWFS Mar 28 2019 12:02 AM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

30. deGrom 29. Nimmo 28. Wheeler 27. Syndergaard 26. Conforto 25. McNeil 24. Cabrera 23. Lugo 22. Rosario 21. Familia 20. Matz 19. Flores 18. Frazier 17. Gsellman 16. Cespedes 15. Bautista 14. Lagares 13. Smith 12. Zamora 11. Vargas 10. Plawecki 9. Jackson 8. Bruce 7. Wright 6. Blevins 5. Bashlor 4. Oswalt 3. Sewald 2. Mesoraco 1. Nido

Frayed Knot Mar 28 2019 06:58 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

LWFS, which Smith in slot #13?

Frayed Knot Mar 31 2019 06:25 PM Re: Rankings Project - 2018

Well, I'm going assume you meant Drew Smith until I hear otherwise. That leaves our final vote at: 30 - JACOB deGROM 29 - BRANDON NIMMO 28 - ZACK WHEELER 27 - NOAH SYNDERGAARD 26 - MICHAEL CONFORTO 25 - JEFF McNEIL 24 - ASDRUBAL CABRERA 23 - SETH LUGO 22 - AMED ROSARIO 21 - STEVEN MATZ 20 - JEURYS FAMILIA 19 - TODD FRAZIER 18 - WILMER FLORES 17 - ROBERT GSELLMAN 16 - JOSE BAUTISTA 15 - KEVIN PLAWECKI 14 - YOENIS CESPEDES 13 - DEVIN MESORACO 12 - JAY BRUCE 11 - JASON VARGAS 10 - DREW SMITH 9 - JERRY BLEVINS 8 - JUAN LAGARES 7 - AUSTIN JACKSON 6 - DANIEL ZAMORA 5 - TYLER BASHLOR 4 - COREY OSWALT 3 - ADRIAN GONZALEZ 2 - JOSE REYES 1 - PAUL SEAWALD