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Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

A Boy Named Seo Apr 01 2019 09:41 AM

It's been discussed in the IGT's but a couple of decision's in the first series left me swearing at my TV. Game 2 - leaving Wilson Ramos in to run for himself. Did not bite the team in the ass, but easily could have. Gary asked him about it the next day, and per Gary, Mickey said something along the lines of most of the time those pinch running changes make no difference and that he was leery to burn Nido without a third catcher. A lot about that answer I didn't like. Game 3 - stayed with the lefty Wilson to face the righty Turner with Familia warming. Turner hit the GW-homer. I'm not if Familia was ready or not, but damn, Sam. Both are defensible, but seem really conservative to me. Saving some bullets for later is fine, but I don't think either decision put us in better situations to win those games in those moments.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2019 09:47 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I'm okay with him having left Wilson in. The game could have gone into extra innings, and Familia and Diaz were the only remaining pitchers available.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2019 09:54 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I don't agree. Once you hit the bottom of the ninth in a tie game, it's sudden death. I'd put in the best available pitcher. And after he's all used up, I'd put in the next best available pitcher. We've gotten to the point where teams have a zillion pitchers on the roster and a miniscule bench, but still, there aren't enough pitchers to manage for an extra inning game so Justin Wilson has to pitch with the game on the line while Familia and Diaz sit and watch. How screwed up is that? I just hope that the "save" didn't affect Callaway's decision.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2019 10:02 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

The problem is that Mickey blew through too many of his pitchers early, and let Lugo throw too many pitches the day before.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 01 2019 10:16 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Yeah I think Avilan faced two batters and Peterson just one after he was brought in on a double-switch (and Lugo was blown out from the previous day's debacle). I guess you could argue that he could have left Peterson in to start the 8th against Dozier (R) and see what happens, but that one's fraught with risk, too.

Centerfield Apr 01 2019 10:22 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The problem is that Mickey blew through too many of his pitchers early, and let Lugo throw too many pitches the day before. This. The decision not to pinch run Ramos and his bullpen management. During 11-1 last year, we all commented how he was burning Lugo and Gsellman. This year, it doesn't seem like he's learned a heck of a lot. I mean, 7 run lead. Come on Mickey.

Centerfield Apr 01 2019 10:24 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Also. Jeff McNeil. Career .813 OPS against lefties. Small sample size, but still. Too many regulars sat yesterday.

Edgy MD Apr 01 2019 11:00 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Game 2 - leaving Wilson Ramos in to run for himself. Did not bite the team in the ass, but easily could have. Gary asked him about it the next day, and per Gary, Mickey said something along the lines of most of the time those pinch running changes make no difference and that he was leery to burn Nido without a third catcher. A lot about that answer I didn't like. What does Mickey think happens more frequently: [list=1] [*]A runner on first with no outs scoring because you replace a lumbering guy with a fleet one? [*]A team compromised because their last catcher got hurt during the game? [/list] I don't agree. Once you hit the bottom of the ninth in a tie game, it's sudden death. I'd put in the best available pitcher. And after he's all used up, I'd put in the next best available pitcher. We've gotten to the point where teams have a zillion pitchers on the roster and a miniscule bench, but still, there aren't enough pitchers to manage for an extra inning game so Justin Wilson has to pitch with the game on the line while Familia and Diaz sit and watch. How screwed up is that? I just hope that the "save" didn't affect Callaway's decision. Holding your best pitcher for a save in a tie game in the ninth inning or later is screaming madness. Any potential manager I interview in any potential alternate reality where I'm a guy who gets interview potential managers, this is the first issue I ask him about.

seawolf17 Apr 01 2019 11:03 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Y'all know we're only three days into the season, right? And we took two out of three from a key division rival? I think we can cool out a bit.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 01 2019 11:14 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Y'all know we're only three days into the season, right? And we took two out of three from a key division rival? I think we can cool out a bit. A few years back, someone started a thread where games were tracked by "should've won and did", "should've lost and did', "should've lost, but won", "should've won, but lost". Something like that. I don't think any of these were wins that should've been losses or vice versa, but we were tip-toeing those lines a little already.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 01 2019 11:46 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I think that was one of my dumbass ideas that I typically didn;t follow through on

Ceetar Apr 01 2019 12:35 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I think that was one of my dumbass ideas that I typically didn;t follow through on How are the Mets Firsts coming?

Gwreck Apr 01 2019 12:46 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Sunday: You have (only) Wilson, Diaz, and Familia available. All pitched Saturday. Tie game, and you're going into the bottom of the 8th with Dozier, Adams, and Robles coming up (R/L/R). Who goes in to pitch? I would have said Familia. Mickey goes with Wilson, who does great and then is left to continue in the 9th, again to righty and lefty batters. — Saturday: I really didn't like pulling Familia with the bases loaded in the 8th and two outs, up 4 runs. Matt Adams (lefty) coming in to PH. Familia had thrown 22 pitches. Lugo takes over. The two decisions are strange when looked at side by side. Do you trust Wilson to pitch complete innings but not Familia? In the past, we've used Familia extensively for a full inning regardless of the matchup. Why does that change?

Frayed Knot Apr 01 2019 01:00 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I was OK with leaving Wilson in on Sunday. He had retired "every" batter he faced this year up to that point -- OK it was all of seven batters (4 RHB, 3 LHB) but the point is he was pitching well. And basically if you get through that inning unscathed then you're in extras with Familia & Diaz ready to go vs Doolittle & Rosenthal already spent. Advantage = Us

MFS62 Apr 01 2019 07:26 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Also. Jeff McNeil. Career .813 OPS against lefties. Small sample size, but still. Too many regulars sat yesterday. And the guy has four hits the day before. This is something Mickey did last year that drove me nuts. He would rest a "hot" player and not let the player to go on a kind of streak that might carry a club for a while. I had hoped having an experienced manager as "bench" coach would help. But in this case, I wonder if he said anything. Later

Fman99 Apr 01 2019 07:29 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The problem is that Mickey blew through too many of his pitchers early, and let Lugo throw too many pitches the day before. Yep, agreed. Why is Lugo going 40 pitches, to get some stupid 4 out save? Dumb.

Centerfield Apr 01 2019 07:59 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Fire him. I'm done.

Centerfield Apr 01 2019 08:08 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Diaz here makes perfect sense.

Zvon Apr 01 2019 08:43 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

MC seems like a spiteful manager. Re relief:::: "So you're not going to do what I put you in there for? Well, I'm just gonna keep you in there until you do."

Centerfield Apr 01 2019 08:46 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Mickey just said trying to bunt with two strikes was not a bad play and he didn't mind it.

kcmets Apr 01 2019 08:56 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Watching his post game on SNY; I don't get the hat here after game 4, 3-1...

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 01 2019 09:02 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Managers who do whacky or seemingly counterproductive things in the first week of the season shouldn't be fired. They might be secret geniuses in fact.

MFS62 Apr 02 2019 07:10 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Managers who do whacky or seemingly counterproductive things in the first week of the season shouldn't be fired. They might be secret geniuses in fact. Its not the event, its the continuance of a pattern. Later

Centerfield Apr 02 2019 07:45 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

A manager's job is to maximize a team's chances at winning. Bunting with Lagares there doesn't do that. A sac bunt will marginally increase a team's chances at scoring 1 run. Assuming the bunt is successful. Nothing I've seen from Lagares suggests he is a good bunter. Certainly not that AB. And bunting with 2 strikes? Jesus. If he really did that once on his own, he should have pulled him out by his ear and said "Don't ever fucking do that again" And NOT bunting Nimmo the very next AB. The one place where a bunt really helps you is to get that runner to 3B with less than 2 outs. It's not even that he's bad. It's that he's doing the opposite of what he should be doing. Keep this in mind. The season is 4 games old. In a tie game against a division rival, he left his best pitcher in the pen. With a 4 run lead against the worst team in the division, he used his closer. Last year during the 11-1 run we talked about how it was not sustainable because of the use of the pen. He's making that same mistake again.

Lefty Specialist Apr 02 2019 08:30 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

You're always going to use more pen early in the season, but Calloway doesn't seem to use it wisely. Riggleman is supposed to be his brains on the bench, but I dunno. Bunting with two strikes had both my wife and I screaming at the TV. She was done with Calloway last year, and nothing she's seen this year has changed her mind.

HahnSolo Apr 02 2019 08:32 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I actually was surprised he DIDN'T bunt Nimmo there. Brandon's looked lost at the plate, and he's one of the few guys on the team I believe can consistently get a bunt down if/when we need one.

Edgy MD Apr 02 2019 08:43 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Yeah, I don't know why the bunt to third is dead, but it's dead.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 02 2019 08:54 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

IIRC, Lagares showed bunt once on two strikes before he got hit, so if he was doing it on his own, Calloway could've had the third base coach tell him to knock that shit off and swing away. But Lagares tried again and got hit. I didn't care for the bunt there, but yeah, if you're gonna bunt in the inning, you probably do it with Nimmo up, with first and second and no outs. Head-scratching. This is another "won and we should have won" but we tip-toed that line of "won even though we tried real hard to give that shit away"

A Boy Named Seo Apr 02 2019 08:59 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

There's a little bit of 2018 feel in this nice, little 3-1 start. Glad we're winning the ugly ones, but poor decisions haven't crushed us yet, and the .750 winning % feels like a big, fat mirage.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 02 2019 09:09 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Let's not begin from the point of view that any of us are somehow in possession of more information or knowledge than the manager (or that any of us know with certainty for example how capable a bunter Juan Lagares actually is). I was using hyperbole above but there's an argument that in the case of Lagares' stupid bunt attempt that there may come a time later in the year where they will really need one and knowing how it played out on April 1 might be useful after all. Or not. Valentine used to do idiotic things in April and May too but managed differently in August and September, and I thought he was a good manager

Centerfield Apr 02 2019 09:39 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Fair point about Lagares bunting. IMO, I've never considered him a good bunter. But he does have 15 for his career so there is that. But that being said, he didn't look at all comfortable on his first few bunt attempts, and no position player should ever be bunting with 2 strikes in that situation. That's as dumb a move as I can remember. I'm surprised it's not being criticized more than it is today. And the bullpen usage is just idiotic. It's not just four games. It was his MO last season and he's demonstrating he's learned nothing from his mistakes. It's early, and these decisions have only resulted in 1 loss, but he's gotta get his shit together fast or I'll be calling for his head sooner rather than later. I don't buy the "let's do crazy shit" in the early season argument. For every reason given as to why Alonso should be here the first two weeks, you should play the highest odds in every game.

Ceetar Apr 02 2019 09:42 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Let's not begin from the point of view that any of us are somehow in possession of more information or knowledge than the manager (or that any of us know with certainty for example how capable a bunter Juan Lagares actually is). I was using hyperbole above but there's an argument that in the case of Lagares' stupid bunt attempt that there may come a time later in the year where they will really need one and knowing how it played out on April 1 might be useful after all. Or not. Valentine used to do idiotic things in April and May too but managed differently in August and September, and I thought he was a good manager good points. This is especially true of bullpen usage. You have so many guys. The Mets used 25 last year. You gotta get a feel for what they can do, where they can do it. what conditions, particularly non-stat ones, that they thrive under. I don't think anything he did was 'crazy shit' either. I'm anti-bunt all around. I might've considered it with Nimmo where the rough math suggests it's probably beneficial. I wouldn't have bunted with Lagares at all, especially in a game he homered in. Especially as he's a faster guy. I always figure you need another hit anyway, I'd rather try to get those hits early and try to score the run with the out than try to advance the runners with the out and try to score with a hit.

Willets Point Apr 02 2019 09:54 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Do you have to wear a cowboy hat for a deathwatch?

Frayed Knot Apr 02 2019 06:31 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

And word is that Lagares (as I suspected) was bunting on his own.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 05 2019 06:47 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I'm really souring on Mickey, not because of tactics but because we've officially blown a good start for the second straight season, and are playing sloppily so consistently.

Edgy MD May 05 2019 07:25 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Yeah, I'm down about that too. Also, the team established an offensive approach that was working, and he seems dead set on abandoning it.

ashie62 May 07 2019 05:41 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

This deserves a bump

Centerfield May 07 2019 07:51 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, I'm down about that too. Also, the team established an offensive approach that was working, and he seems dead set on abandoning it. What drives me crazy is that the guy hitting .350 sees a strange infield alignment, then places a bunt that makes them pay for it. For good measure, he bunts it foul first, telegraphing his intent to bunt against the shift, then does it again making them look even more foolish. And then the rest of the lineup (who are not hitting .350) looks at that and says "Oh that was cool". And goes back to whacking away into the shift.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 10 2019 04:32 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Jeff calls a 90-minute come-to-Jesus meeting with Mickey. https://nypost.com/2019/05/10/mets-crisis-meeting-wilpon-summons-callaway-van-wagenen-for-powwow/ While the meeting was not contentious, it was atypical. Van Wagenen has made regular contact with the manager and ownership a key tenet in his administration. That Wilpon thought it was important enough to call this meeting indicates both heightened urgency for the team to begin playing better and that Callaway is not on the sturdiest ground. What's interesting here I guess is the notion that if the players aren't Mickey fans this could be the end of Mickey

Edgy MD May 10 2019 08:43 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

In my head, there was a "What are we gonna do about Chili?" item on the agenda as well. If I was Mattingly, I'd rather be the Mets' batting coach than the Marlins' manager, and I'd ask the Mets if I could stay behind and join them when the Marlins left town.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 04:52 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

So, if the team busts Mickey, the interim job is most likely going to Jim Riggleman. I don't think I want to wait around all season watching the Jim Riggleman Show, and I hope they would move forthwith to appoint a replacement in a week or so. Edgardo Alfonso? Clint Hurdle? Mike Scoscia? Who's next? David Wright would be an interesting idea, but the timing probably isn't ideal.

41Forever May 18 2019 06:12 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Ken Rosenthal speculates Mets would go outside, and threw out Showalter, Dusty Baker and the red ass Girardi as likely replacements.

MFS62 May 18 2019 06:20 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I'm not sure how my almost-life-long Mets fandom could survive one disgusting closeup of Dusty Baker (in a Mets uniform) spitting sunflower seeds. And that image is like a camera magnet. It always fixes on him at his drooling worst. Later

kcmets May 18 2019 06:50 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I have no interest in Show, Dust or Gira taking the helm...

Johnny Lunchbucket May 18 2019 06:59 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Knowing the Mets they'll get Girardi. I'm not sure he'd be the worst idea they could have.

TransMonk May 18 2019 07:35 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I've definitely lost faith in Calloway, though.

LWFS May 18 2019 07:58 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Knowing the Mets they'll get Girardi. I'm not sure he'd be the worst idea they could have. If they're going to go red-ass-- and it sure does feel like that, doesn't it?-- then I'd much rather they opt for situational-red-asses like Girardi over light-a-votive-for-Billy-Martin-before-bedtime red-asses like Showalter.

kcmets May 18 2019 07:59 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I'm not sure he'd be the worst idea they could have. I don't know, but the whole bringing in a Yankee castoff doesn't sit well with me. I'm never wrong sometimes. I think Mickey will be fired on Monday.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 08:12 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Knowing the Mets they'll get Girardi. I'm not sure he'd be the worst idea they could have. If they're going to go red-ass-- and it sure does feel like that, doesn't it?-- then I'd much rather they opt for situational-red-asses like Girardi over light-a-votive-for-Billy-Martin-before-bedtime red-asses like Showalter. Let's not forget massive-chip-on-the-shoulder, free-swinging-advocating, gay-bashing, Castro-loving red-asses like Ozzie Guillen. Or motivation-via-fucking-shit-up-and-punching-some-poor-sap red-asses like Backman. My pick? Jeff Van Gundy, bitches.

Benjamin Grimm May 18 2019 08:21 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Mike Puma speculates that Luis Rojas might be considered. If Callaway is dismissed — the Mets haven't fired a manager in-season since Willie Randolph in 2008 — bench coach Jim Riggleman is the top internal candidate to replace him. But quality control coach Luis Rojas is viewed as a rising star in the organization and could also be considered for the job.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 18 2019 08:25 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Bobby Vee would be awesome

Edgy MD May 18 2019 08:30 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

If Chili's chair opens up, I'm putting my support behind Binghamton hitting coach Tony Jamarillo.

batmagadanleadoff May 18 2019 08:33 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 18 2019 08:36 PM

Knowing the Mets, they'll get some replacement who has little, if any managerial experience and almost no leverage because what matters more than anything else is for Jeff Wilpon to be able to manipulate, control and browbeat at will the new sucker like a puppet on a string. Besides, what kind of manager with other options who's in demand would want to work for this utter trainwreck of a front office that every single baseball insider knows is utterly incompetent at everything? Who the fuck would want to manage in New York City with all of the pressures and heightened scrutiny that comes with managing in the country's biggest market on a payroll that's ever so slightly larger than league average when you finally realize that the scumbag ownership group is including David Wright's salary and probably, Johan Santana's salary, too in the final count.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 08:36 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I totally would.

batmagadanleadoff May 18 2019 08:39 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: I totally would. And you check all their boxes. You have no experience, no other options, no leverage and nobody else would want you. The perfect vehicle to receive all of Jeff's tantrums and nutty egomaniacal ideas.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 18 2019 08:44 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: I totally would. And you check all their boxes. You have no experience, no other options, no leverage and nobody else would want you. The perfect vehicle to receive all of Jeff's tantrums and nutty egomaniacal ideas. Quality cranepooling here

batmagadanleadoff May 18 2019 08:47 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Poor fucking Mickey. Forced to play a thoroughly washed up Jose Reyes every day because eff Wilpon "likes" Jose.

batmagadanleadoff May 18 2019 08:51 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Poor fucking Sandy Alderson. Has to endure this utterly horseshit Huckabee Sanders-like fucking lie from the Mets that there were no limits on team payroll and all Sandy had to do to get more money for payroll was to ask for more money and it would've been there as easy as like when your kid asks you for a few dollars for pizza.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 09:05 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: I totally would. And you check all their boxes. You have no experience, no other options, no leverage and nobody else would want you. The perfect vehicle to receive all of Jeff's tantrums and nutty egomaniacal ideas. My mom says I'm special.

batmagadanleadoff May 18 2019 09:27 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

You are.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 09:36 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Callaway safe ... through the weekend.

LWFS May 18 2019 09:40 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Sunday night'll be a tense one, won't it? I mean, after that Daenerys heel turn and all that dragon damage to Kings Landing, all bets are off on that show, right? Also, he'll be thinking about being fired the following morning.

Edgy MD May 18 2019 10:09 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Sure. If the Mets win 12-1, and he gets a stay, the sword will still be over his head. And the official management line will be, "We're always re-evaluating, but no, it's not true that he would've been fired if the team didn't win big yesterday." And the strong subtext would be "And it's not true that he wouldn't have been fired either. This would be dramatic. Mickey just this weekend passed Jeff Torborg in the Mets all-time games managed list, so if he goes, he wouldn't have the shortest non-interim tenure, but it would be damn close. Five more games and he passes Joe Frazier, and six more and he passes George Bamberger. And, as young as he is, he'd possibly have a longer post-tenure life than Jimmy Carter or Joe Torre.

ashie62 May 19 2019 04:42 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Yet another bump

MFS62 May 19 2019 05:43 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=ashie62 post_id=10392 time=1558262578 user_id=90]Yet another bump

He posted about seven hours ago.

Why does it need a bump?

Later

Frayed Knot May 19 2019 09:01 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: Callaway safe ... through the weekend. Whether Callaway gets fired tomorrow, next week, or never, that article is a mess of conjecture and just plain bad writing.

Edgy MD May 19 2019 09:03 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Maybe, but Ehalt's a five-year veteran of the Mets beat and he says he has sources confirming the lede.

Frayed Knot May 19 2019 11:00 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

His "team sources" are used to say that: - Callaway "won't be fired this weekend" ... which I guess means today. Well, shyeeet, I could have told you that. - and that his moves "cause eyes to be rolled in the clubhouse" Were there eyewitnesses to this eye-rolling? And how large a factor of eye-rolling was there (computed as ER+ perhaps?) as compared to those clubhouses where every player loves every move the manager makes including the ones that reduce his playing time?

G-Fafif May 19 2019 11:10 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

At the top of the broadcast, Howie addressed what he called the near "tangible" tension around Callaway's status, added that when you've been around a ballclub, you can tell these things are percolating and suggested that without winning a whole lot soon, Mickey's in real danger.

Edgy MD May 19 2019 12:15 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

There you go. Tangible tension.

A Boy Named Seo May 19 2019 12:32 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I started this stupid thread, but despite Mickey's shortcomings, this is a flawed team constructed by negligent ownership and an inexperienced GM who mortgaged the future to be mediocre NOW!!! Mickey ain't the the reason.

nymr83 May 19 2019 12:34 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: There you go. Tangible tension. That what they said about the Jets... Do we have to wait until todays game ends to fire him?

Frayed Knot May 19 2019 12:38 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Tangible Tension = It's being talked about because it's being talked about.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 19 2019 12:57 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Would be funny to see him start getting hugs in the dugout

TransMonk May 19 2019 01:05 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I started this stupid thread, but despite Mickey's shortcomings, this is a flawed team constructed by negligent ownership and an inexperienced GM who mortgaged the future to be mediocre NOW!!! Mickey ain't the the reason. He's certainly not helping, though. Terry Collins seemed to do more with less.

bmfc1 May 19 2019 01:07 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 19 2019 01:16 PM

My guess is that Riggleman will be the interim manager tomorrow night. Mickey is a good man who shouldn't have been hired--that's on Sandy who brought in someone with no managerial experience (neither did Alex Cora who managed BOS to the World Series but at least he was a bench coach so he saw the whole game). This is on Brodie Van Ego who had no GM experience (notice a pattern?), brought in numerous former clients, then declared victory in December. He also saddled Mickey with Chilli Davis who had been fired by the Cubs--perhaps there were good reasons for his firing. BTW, Chaim Bloom was the runner-up for the GM spot. He's still with the Rays who are 27 & 16 and that's on Jeffy. What a clusterfuck.

nymr83 May 19 2019 01:14 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

its not too late! fire the player agent masquerading as a GM too! the Mets could still have some life in them this season! time to blossom with new leadership!

MFS62 May 19 2019 01:24 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I hope that new manager brings a new batting coach with him. (or a few hitters) (or both) Later

Frayed Knot May 19 2019 01:39 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

So which one of us is assigned to be up and poised by their keyboard at 2 AM to post the news of the firing? That is when they do these things, right?

MFS62 May 19 2019 03:02 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Whatever and whenever that post may be, there will be one person who posts it again as their own. Later

ashie62 May 19 2019 03:12 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

The idea of Riggleman as the interim guy blows

kcmets May 19 2019 03:27 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=MFS62 post_id=10445 time=1558299726 user_id=60] Whatever and whenever that post may be, there will be one person who posts it again as their own. Later

And who might be that person?

MFS62 May 19 2019 05:42 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=kcmets post_id=10450 time=1558301265 user_id=53] =MFS62 post_id=10445 time=1558299726 user_id=60] Whatever and whenever that post may be, there will be one person who posts it again as their own. Later

And who might be that person?


Not you.

Check your messages.

Later

kcmets May 19 2019 06:28 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Lol, I didn't think it was me.

Edgy MD May 19 2019 08:29 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Ten million hot takes out there right now.

Edgy MD May 20 2019 06:11 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

“I respect the hell out of Mickey. Mickey has tremendous leadership values. I think it's bullshit what's going on with this speculation there could be a change because we're so early in the season — we're a very small step away from putting this all together.” — Noah Syndergaard Noah also asks us to remember 2015. Hey, Callaway's name is mis-spelled in this thread.

Lefty Specialist May 20 2019 07:30 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

They're also a very small step from this blowing up and disintegrating.

Centerfield May 20 2019 07:45 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Let's see what we learned in 2015: *Half measures don't work. It was a mistake to sign Michael Cuddyer. But here we in 2019 with Robinson Cano. And Todd Frazier..and Jason Vargas...and.... *If you have an elite hitting prospect, he can come up and help save your season. Even if he's young and not yet played at AAA. Let's call up Kelenic. *So can elite pitching prospects. We seem to be missing these. *When you acquire elite MVP level talent, you score runs and win games.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2019 08:31 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: I totally would. And you check all their boxes. You have no experience, no other options, no leverage and nobody else would want you. The perfect vehicle to receive all of Jeff's tantrums and nutty egomaniacal ideas. Know what other Mets box you check? The willing to work for no money box. The miser Mets made Mickey the 26th ranked manager by salary. All the headaches of managing in America's biggest market but without any of the benefits Mickey should rightfully expect. The Mets haven't hired a good manager in more than 20 years. Don't expect another one anytime soon. Two first place finishes and one good manager since eff Wilpon took over almost 30 years qgo. https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/08/27/mlb-managers-salary-rankings-how-much-paid-2018-baseball-season/1111776002/

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2019 08:45 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

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Johnny Lunchbucket May 20 2019 09:18 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Collins was better than expected in a lot of ways but his time came and went too. I'm convinced Joe Girardi is managing as soon as the MFY series

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2019 09:22 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Collins was better than expected in a lot of ways but his time came and went too.... I liked Collins, too. But he was at the end of his rope when the Mets hired him, with nowhere else to go. The one characteristic any potential manager needs to succeed with this franchise is the ability to get right in Jeff Wilpon's face and tell him to go fuck himself whenever needed. But that's the one characteristic that Jeff is screening out for, more than any other. Talk about a Catch-22.

kcmets May 20 2019 09:26 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I should probably know this but why isn't Girardi still managing the Yankees? I thought he was like a Bronx God or the like.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 20 2019 09:51 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

General manager Brian Cashman decided the New York Yankees should part ways with Joe Girardi because he felt that the manager's "connectivity" with the clubhouse was not good enough. "That's the primary position," Cashman said. During a more than one-hour conference call with New York-based reporters, Cashman said it would have been easy to "plug and play" and stay with Girardi after a decade that included a World Series title and six playoff appearances. But the overriding reason that Cashman soured on Girardi was the "connectivity and communication" issue with players, which was a concern to the GM as the Yankees move into their next phase of their youth movement led by Aaron Judge, Gary Sanchez and the rest of the Baby Bombers. Appearing at the same time on WFAN, Girardi was not aware of Cashman's comments, but he was asked about his relationship with the players. "I thought it was really good," he said, adding that he had received some "wonderful texts" from younger players after he was fired. Girardi denied rumors that he did not get along great with closer Aroldis Chapman or Sanchez, and the former catcher said the "sky is the limit" for Sanchez. "For me it was always encouraging him, trying to make him better and telling him how important he is to our team," he said, adding of Sanchez's defensive struggles that "we didn't have an easy staff to catch." Cashman said he did not know if owner Hal Steinbrenner would sign off on his recommendation to let Girardi go until days before the decision was announced. "We don't make changes at that level lightly," Cashman said. Girardi said: "I thought I would be back." He described getting fired by Cashman. "It was quick and to the point," he said. "Brian said they had decided they were going in a different direction." He added: "It happens. It has happened to people who have a lot more wins than me. I think Brian wants something different and he's going to go out there and try to find that. Joe Torre won an awful lot and they went out and found someone and that guy was me, and Joe has won a lot more than I have." The GM also said he doesn't know what would have happened if Girardi had led the Yankees to the World Series this season. They lost in Game 7 of the ALCS. In the weeks leading up the Yankees' final game, Girardi talked about having to speak with his family to decide if he would want to return or not. The decision, though, was ultimately, taken out of his hands. Cashman said Girardi's failure to call for a replay that largely cost the Yankees Game 2 of the ALDS was not a factor in the decision. While Cashman didn't think that Girardi was communicating well enough with the clubhouse, Cashman disagreed with reports that he and Girardi went separate way at times over analytics or that the two had a deteriorating relationship. Cashman called Girardi an "exceptional manager." Girardi echoed that he got along fine with Cashman. "Brian took a chance on me," he said. "There were guys who wanted someone else. He took a chance on me, so I'll be forever grateful." Cashman said he has no timetable for naming Girardi's successor and had no preconceived candidate or list of replacements when he informed Girardi of the firing. "Whoever the lead horse will be, hopefully they will be pretty obvious and they will win by 16 lengths, like Secretariat did," Cashman said. While Cashman would like to put the person in place as soon as possible, he is not in a rush with no other vacancies in Major League Baseball. Cashman is not looking for the anti-Girardi. "It is an easy narrative to run to the opposite of what you already had," Cashman said. "I think if someone was structured and demanding, then you want to go from an old-school, heavy-handed personality to a new school, players manager. That's not a narrative I'm falling into. We are looking for the best person possible that can assist in executing our strategy." (editor's note: I bolded this above graf because Cash is describing the Wilpons to a tee here) The Yankees will conduct interviews and then make each candidate available to the media. Sources have said that the Yankees will seek an "A.J. Hinch-type," but Cashman, at least publicly, talked in broader terms of an ideal candidate checking a lot of boxes, including communication, being analytical and having a good grasp of handling the media. These are all qualities that have been associated with Hinch. Girardi acknowledged that he probably didn't give the media everything they wanted. "The thing about my personality is that I'm very protective of the players," he said. "And you have to be these days with social media." Cashman said he does not have to have a pre-existing relationship with any future manager. Asked specifically if Alex Rodriguez would be a candidate, Cashman declined to answer the question, not wanting to give a thumbs up or down on any individual. "I do believe we are going to find someone we are going to be comfortable with that can lead us into the next phase of where we are with this franchise," Cashman said. As for Girardi, he said he will probably go back to broadcasting for a while, but he "absolutely" wants to manage again. "I want to manage again because I love the competition," he said.

kcmets May 20 2019 09:57 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Wow, that's about as thorough take as one could expect. Thanks!

Centerfield May 23 2019 03:11 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Should be fired. Even when the restraints were lifted he still doesn't know when to use Diaz.

nymr83 May 23 2019 04:07 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

No Diaz in the 8th today was criminal. What the fuck are you saving him for?

Chad ochoseis May 23 2019 04:33 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I'm not saying he's good and I'm not saying he's bad. But 4 and 5 out saves still aren't the norm. I don't think Dusty or Girardi or Showalter would be thinking too far out of the box either.

Lefty Specialist May 23 2019 06:53 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Well this 4-game win streak bought him some time, anyway. Also, the dumpster dives for Davis and Gomez are making BVW look better. If only he could find someone to take Cano off our hands.....

Edgy MD May 23 2019 07:58 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Well, the IL has done that for him for now. The thing is, Canó is probably still serviceable as a part-timer/bench player. We just have to get over this pencil-him-into-the-three-hole-every-night bidness. Adding to the misfortune, though, our better choice for a #3 is McNeil, and he hits the IL at the same time.

MFS62 Jun 06 2019 03:46 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

When he has to make a tough decision, at least he gets sage advice. https://www.yahoo.com/news/mets-manager-mickey-callaway-reaches-162140429.html Is this some alternate universe? Later

Edgy MD Jun 06 2019 04:17 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

That's a silly article. I believe a lot of things about Callaway. I don't think any reasoning person believes he's punting the decision on Alonso's participation to Francessa. I don't think it even is his decision to punt.

kcmets Jun 24 2019 08:14 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

This thread was already on page 5.

Lefty Specialist Jun 25 2019 06:18 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

They get swept in Philly, I don't think Mickey will be on the bus ride home.

whippoorwill Jun 25 2019 07:54 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Really though is it his fault the bullpen sucks?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2019 03:10 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

So .... is Mickey still here?

dgwphotography Jun 25 2019 08:16 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Lefty Specialist wrote: They get swept in Philly, I don't think Mickey will be on the bus ride home. I will be shocked if Mickey doesn't make it through the season. It would take something really egregious for him to be fired. Let's face it, the Wilpons don't want to pay for a second manager.

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2019 08:20 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=dgwphotography post_id=14193 time=1561515379 user_id=78] Let's face it, the Wilpons don't want to pay for a second manager.

They've done so several times.

dgwphotography Jun 25 2019 08:41 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Over multiple seasons?

Edgy MD Jun 25 2019 09:16 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

It happens all the time. Interim managers are a bargain anyhow.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 25 2019 09:22 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Mickey's not making Jack anyhow. One of the reasons they got him was for the budget no doubt. Came cheaper than World Series, writers love him Terry fo sho

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2019 05:34 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Over multiple seasons? Howe was disappeared with half his contract remaining (2 years of 4). Mickey, if canned today, would be about the same although only 1.5 of 3 which may or may not fit one's definition of "multiple". Going back to the '90s, none of Green, Torborg, Harrelson, Valentine were kept on to finish their deals, nor was 'Middle of the Night' Willie. I don't remember at this point what percentage of their deals remained when those mid-year changes were made, nor do I recall whether Jerry Manual was let go with terms still remaining or was simply not re-hired. All of which leaves the list of 'recent' NYM managers who finished out their terms of employment as ... Terry Collins, and does someone really want to make the case that, coming off consecutive post-season seasons of 90 & 87 wins, that a mid-season change in 2017 was going to salvage what became a 92-loss season but simply wasn't made in order to save a couple hundred K by an ownership group that had no problem doing just that more often than not? My larger point here being that we sometimes get so caught up in Wilpon-bashing that we find ourselves willing to ignore reality and repeat 'facts' which actually aren't facts at all because it fits a certain narrative and makes us feel better by saying it. We went through this late last summer when Alonso discussions started to surface and several of us just knew that he wouldn't be brought up until, well probably just in the last few weeks, "because that's what the Mets always do". The only problem with that argument is that, starting I think with Reyes now 16 years ago and moving forward from there, we couldn't find a single one of their prospects where that was actually the case. Also, like JCL says, most managers, especially first-timers like Mickey, are among the smaller expenses a club has these days and therefore one of the last places you'd want to look for evidence of them 'cheaping out'. Cot's Contracts lists Mickey's 2018 salary as 850K. Assuming a deal which called for modest raises over this year and next, getting rid of him today would be less than the price of three minimum wage players. It just doesn't add up. They may or may not get rid of MC now or in the near future, but I'd be surprised if his salary is even A factor in the decision and certainly not THE factor, particularly not after they went out this winter and hired a seasoned former manager and installed him as the bench coach, a potential transition which would be more seamless than most if a mid-stream change were to be made.

bmfc1 Jun 26 2019 05:42 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I don't think that they do it this week so they don't create a distraction on an otherwise wonderful Mets weekend. Maybe the Wednesday or Thursday after the All-Star game.

Lefty Specialist Jun 26 2019 06:27 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=bmfc1 post_id=14210 time=1561549338 user_id=73] I don't think that they do it this week so they don't create a distraction on an otherwise wonderful Mets weekend. Maybe the Wednesday or Thursday after the All-Star game.

Good point. They're not going to want to rain on their own parade. But Mickey's a dead man walking.

MFS62 Jun 27 2019 04:24 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

There is only one question Mickey should have been asked after today's game: (Channeling Hannibal Lecter): "Bowels in or bowels out?" Later

G-Fafif Jun 27 2019 05:12 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Make Gil Jr. manager for the weekend. Art and Cleon can be his bench coaches. Then let Riggleman or whoever caretake until the break. Call Girardi or someone legit for after the break. Today wasn't Mickey's fault. He sent his closer out there and his closer imploded. But asking Mets fans to keep looking at this unsuited, unskilled manager and dare to propose they buy tickets is a bruise to the brand.

seawolf17 Jun 27 2019 06:14 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=G-Fafif post_id=14462 time=1561677123 user_id=55] Make Gil Jr. manager for the weekend. Art and Cleon can be his bench coaches. Then let Riggleman or whoever caretake until the break. Call Girardi or someone legit for after the break. Today wasn't Mickey's fault. He sent his closer out there and his closer imploded. But asking Mets fans to keep looking at this unsuited, unskilled manager and dare to propose they buy tickets is a bruise to the brand.

This sounds like a glorious idea. In fact, just have a different celebrity guest manager each series; fuck convention. This team sucks and at least watching Mets Manager Justin Timberlake fuck up a double switch will be more entertaining.

Centerfield Jun 27 2019 08:04 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

It'll be run kinda like the IGT. If the team wins you get to keep managing. What a hoot it will be! At least until JT out manages Mickey and it becomes obvious how bad he was.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2019 08:05 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Isn't Gil Jr. an ex-con or something? Got in a beef with his buddy the mob prince or somebody? OE: Looked it up. it was Gil's grandson. Got his friend (from the Marino family) killed in a DWI accident. Somehow escaped any jail time.

seawolf17 Jun 27 2019 08:14 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

It'll be run kinda like the IGT. If the team wins you get to keep managing. What a hoot it will be! "And the final score here at Citi Field is Marlins 14, Mets 3, thus ending Weird Al's three-game winning streak as Mets manager. Join us tomorrow as lefthander Steven Matz faces the Marlins, and Alfonso Ribeiro moves into the manager's seat! I sure do hope he does that Carlton dance on his way to make a pitching change."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 27 2019 09:44 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Yeah I'm on board with all these ideas. Celebrities, fans, family pets, whatever works that night.

Edgy MD Jun 27 2019 09:52 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

"Two on and one out ... and Danza's sending HIMSELF in to pinch hit!!"

MFS62 Jun 28 2019 05:57 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Too bad Max Patkin and Al Schacht are no longer alive. They would have been perfect. Later

whippoorwill Jun 28 2019 06:32 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah I'm on board with all these ideas. Celebrities, fans, family pets, whatever works that night. My cat Bennie would look cute in a Mets cap 🧢

kcmets Jul 03 2019 08:34 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

The '69 thing is over, Yanks thing done. Let's have a 3 o'clock press conference Friday afternoon and put this horse out of it's misery.

G-Fafif Jul 03 2019 08:41 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=kcmets post_id=15043 time=1562207681 user_id=53] The '69 thing is over, Yanks thing done. Let's have a 3 o'clock press conference Friday afternoon and put this horse out of it's misery.

And disturb the sanctity of Seinfeld Bobblehead Night?

Edgy MD Jul 03 2019 08:50 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Do it right, and they'll add some gravitas to it. Heck have Jerry sit-in on the press conference. Or, alternatively, appoint him the interim manager. "Guys, you KNOW how I feel about the high five. Use sanitizer or leave me out of it!"

bmfc1 Jul 04 2019 06:37 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Ken Rosenthal put some pressue on Brodie in The Athletic yesterday: [BLOCKQUOTE]Unless first-year general manager Brodie Van Wagenen sees Callaway as a manager full of untapped potential – doubtful – he either believes an interim choice such as bench coach Jim Riggleman would have made little difference, or that the hiring of a veteran such as Joe Girardi without staging an industry-wide search would have been too impulsive. ... Van Wagenen, so proactive with his player moves during the offseason, has been just the opposite – curiously passive – in the handling of his manager. His refusal to act on Callaway might already have cost the Mets a chance to better compete in 2019. It also might have cost them the chance to make a pre-emptive move for a difference-maker. Add it to the list of questionable decisions for the agent-turned-GM.[/BLOCKQUOTE] https://theathletic.com/1061428/2019/07/03/rosenthal-mickey-callaways-future-a-scout-remembers-tyler-skaggs-time-to-change-all-star-process-more-notes/ Unless BVW loves Girardi he's going to want to search "high and low" for a new manager (that he can manipulate) so perhaps Riggleman (or Terry, as discussed elsewhere) gets the job but I think that it happens on Wednesday or Thursday ("lets see, maybe they'll sweep the Phillies and it's Seinfeld night, then Alonso is in the HR Derby, and Manfred doesn't want a distraction for the Game, so we'll tell Martino on Wednesday and have a press conference on Thursday").

Edgy MD Jul 04 2019 07:38 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I think the weirdest thing is that there's no audio or video of the locker room confrontation. I've got to think a leak of some of that — if the characterizations were remotely accurate — would have really put the heat on management to act. We're in an age where not only is everybody carrying a movie camera in their pocket, press reporters tend to have their phones ready to do the job that handheld tape recorders used to do, ready to grab a quote at the twitch of a thumb. So, none of the TV and radio guys were ready to roll, and none of the press and internet guys thought to switch their phones on to get audio or video? Was Healey simply the last reporter out of the clubhouse? And that goes for Vargas too. I mean, maybe Brodie spent his time with the 7 Line working the phones on a potential Vargas deal, but it's been a week and two starts for Vargie. Maybe giving the air a little time to clear increases the value, but I would have thought a Jason Vargas Deathwatch thread would last about two seconds.

bmfc1 Jul 07 2019 10:59 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

What the hell are they waiting for? [TWEET]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1147912298390085632[/TWEET]

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 07 2019 11:20 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I see it.

bmfc1 Jul 07 2019 02:33 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Joe Girardi now, and give him a half-season to acclimate himself to the team, or a search in October which could still lead to Girardi? https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/joe-girardi-presents-complex-case-for-mets-who-have-asked-around-about-ex-yankee-manager/308833486

Edgy MD Jul 07 2019 06:09 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

The team's main question about Girardi is the right one: Do his hard work, skill and intelligence outweigh his intensity, which can be stifling? Well, it's not like Mickey's intensity hasn't upset the apple cart, now, is it? Lunchbucket once published a fantastic glossary of euphemisms writers use when talking about an asshole: [list] [*]Troubled : black guy who is an asshole. [*]Fiery : Latino guy who is an asshole. [*]Intense : white guy who is an asshole. [/list]

MFS62 Jul 07 2019 06:13 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Pete Rose isn't intense. He's just an asshole. Later

whippoorwill Jul 08 2019 06:28 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: The team's main question about Girardi is the right one: Do his hard work, skill and intelligence outweigh his intensity, which can be stifling? Well, it's not like Mickey's intensity hasn't upset the apple cart, now, is it? Lunchbucket once published a fantastic glossary of euphemisms writers use when talking about an asshole: [list] [*]Troubled : black guy who is an asshole. [*]Fiery : Latino guy who is an asshole. [*]Intense : white guy who is an asshole. [/list] Exactly! And the bullpens not his fault. Though he could use it less imo

metirish Jul 08 2019 06:31 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?

HahnSolo Jul 08 2019 07:34 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=metirish post_id=15329 time=1562589083 user_id=72] I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?

My MFY acquaintances largely are split on him. The ones who didn't like him primarily thought his bullpen decisions were bad.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 08 2019 08:04 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then... I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job. Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday.

whippoorwill Jul 08 2019 08:10 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

I wonder what this press conference could possibly be about. I mean we all are thinking ‘Manager change' but why on earth put it off for a week? But why put anything else off for a week either? Weirdness.

metirish Jul 08 2019 08:13 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then... I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job. Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday. It's crazy that a manager needs to operate like this

Edgy MD Jul 08 2019 08:13 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=whippoorwill post_id=15338 time=1562595047 user_id=79] I wonder what this press conference could possibly be about. I mean we all are thinking ‘Manager change' but why on earth put it off for a week? But why put anything else off for a week either? Weirdness.

Can't distract from the All-Star festivities. God forbid the announcers have anything interesting to talk about.



Speaking of which, MLB has to love Keith encouraging to New York viewers to ignore both the HR contest and the game.

metirish Jul 08 2019 08:42 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

If Pete was not competing tonight I would not watch

whippoorwill Jul 08 2019 10:44 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Haven't watched in years because it takes for friggin ever

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2019 11:23 AM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: From time to time it would have helped this club to have a skipper obsessed with that day's game, though it's not clear how possible that is when the manager willingly or not goes out there with his hands tied behind his back every night "we're only using our closer for the final 3 outs!" until the criticism arrives and it suddenly becomes "now let me demonstrate how we'll use our closer for MORE than 3 outs. Just watch!!" and then... I think generally the Mets given their state are better off with a manager who's good with the media vs. one who's not, and I'd hate if there was a compromise there. A big part of the job is to sell the narrative and explain away the crises when need be and Mickey sucks at that and it doesn't sound like Girardi likes that part of the job. Brodie Press Conference scheduled in Miami Friday. It's crazy that a manager needs to operate like this Crazy, but inevitable. Any manager with the character to stand up to these incompetent tyrants that own the team and stick their beaks in everything wouldn't get hired in the first place. It's all self fulfilling. The problem is systemic and deeply rooted. Its not Callaway. He'll be replaced by somebody just like him Two first place finishes in 31 seasons.

Edgy MD Jul 08 2019 12:18 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung. It seems easy enough to me. Even if you have a policy set in stone, don't describe it as such. It sets you up to look stupid and gives free opposition research to the guy in the other dugout. >>> "Mickey, was it an option to use Diaz in the eighth? >>> >>> "Well, as it stands now, we didn't think it was best to deploy our resources that way. That doesn't mean that in a similar situation going forward, we will or won't play it the same way." >>> "So, you're saying that you currently have a hard rule to use your closer only in the ninth?" >>> >>> "Absolutely not. It's how we approached it tonight. Now, hindsight is 20/20, but on the other hand, we'd be fools not to continually learn from how situations play themselves out in real games. In fact, I've got a meeting with my coaches right now." >>> "Thanks for your time, Mick." >>> >>> "Thank you guys." >>> "See you tomorrow." >>> >>> "WHO THE FUCK FUCKING SAID THAT?!! WHO?! VARGAS, DID YOU SEE WHO SAID THAT?!!!"

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2019 12:35 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung.... He will. But he won't. Because he wants to continue to work in the game. So he'll keep his mouth shut and be a good soldier just like everybody else lest he ends up on the blacklist. Most everyone keeps their mouths shut. But the insiders all know what goes on.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 08 2019 12:38 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

Edgy MD wrote: If Mickelmas' regularly occurring flip-flops on the stuff like closer usage are based on policies forced on him, he's gonna have a helluva lot to sing about once he's sprung.... He will. But he won't. Because he wants to continue to work in the game. So he'll keep his mouth shut and be a good soldier just like everybody else lest he ends up on the blacklist. Most everyone keeps their mouths shut. But the insiders all know what goes on. Owners won't hire anyone who badmouthed prior management. The owners still run the game like it's a very exclusive and privileged country club. Which it is.

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2019 12:46 PM Re: Mickey Calloway Deathwatch, 2k19

=HahnSolo post_id=15334 time=1562592891 user_id=63] =metirish post_id=15329 time=1562589083 user_id=72] I never watched MFY games, unless playing against the Mets, but is Girardi a great in game manager as articles have suggested?

My MFY acquaintances largely are split on him. The ones who didn't like him primarily thought his bullpen decisions were bad.


If you ask the fans of EVERY team what they don't/didn't like about their manager and 'Bullpen Decisions' will be at the top of each list.