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Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Edgy MD May 06 2019 03:18 PM

Mock draft first rounds out there have the Mets gravitating toward batsmen with their 12th overall pick. Keith Law is projecting that it'll be Texas Tech 3b Josh Jung. Though Jung is not yet 21, consensus seems to suggest he has the potential to be a quickie and reach the majors by 2020. Problem is that Texas also is also said to be looking at him and they pick one before the Mets. Béisbol America on the other hand, originally mocked the Mets as drafting Kentucky lefthander Zack Thompson. While it's understandable that the Mets are as concerned as anybody about there not being enough pitchers named Zack out there, BA's subsequent mockerino switched their projection to Lefty-Hitting Outfielder Corbin Carroll out of Seattle's Lakeside School, the noted athletic factory that has produced such baseball legends as Bill Gates. I know, you're shocked that a guy named Corbin Carroll would go to a private prep school. He also seems to have something of the same value added that Jarred Kelenic brought last year, in that he comes out of high school with a lot of college-level experience playing for national teams. I know you're all wondering what CBSSports is predicting. They too are calling for Corbin Carroll. They note that he'd be a top-five pick if he was 6'2" but he's not as projectable at 5'10", but that Major League teams might not be as shorty-shy seeing as how José Altuve and Mookie Betts are the best players in the American League not named Trout. I think of the Mets picking first-round shorties, I think of 5'9" Wally Backman (#16 overall, 1977). Even Jason Tyner was 6'1".

Edgy MD May 06 2019 03:26 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

The Orioles, of course, pick first. Who can remember who they picked the last time they had an overall #1?

A Boy Named Seo May 06 2019 03:45 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Ben something. That Olympic pitcher from LSU.

Edgy MD May 06 2019 04:10 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Ben McDonald. Ended up having about a Gil Meche of a career.

LWFS May 06 2019 09:07 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Jarred Kelenic... whatever happened to that guy? #FightHeightism

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 11:01 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

This starts tonight with televised rounds 1 and 2. MLB.com thinks the Mets want a college arm and also think it'll be Kentucky U lefty Zack Thompson, as does CBS sports. Some guy on the Internet says it'll be George Kirby, a RH pitcher out of Elon Kollege. FanGraphs mocked the Mets to Arizona State CF Hunter Bishop with UNLV SS Bryson Stott also in the mix.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 11:06 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

There's a catcher out there called Shea Langoliers expected to go in the first round, he'd be cool to get.

bmfc1 Jun 03 2019 11:56 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Zack Thompson has had elbow issues. One tweeter notes that Bishop's PAC-12 (tougher competition) stats are out-of-whack with his total numbers: [TWEET]https://twitter.com/SotoC803/status/1135575462678319104[/TWEET] Al Leiter's son should be a 1st-rounder. Here is Jim Bowden in The Athletic on the 3 players identified as possibilities for the Mets in Fangraphs: [BLOCKQUOTE]Zack Thompson, LHP, Kentucky Age: 21 Height: 6-3 Weight: 223 Bats: L Throws: L FB: 55 CB: 50 SLI: 55 CH: 50 CTL: 50 CMND: 50 Thompson has a 92-95 mph fastball with above-average running life. He also throws a nasty but inconsistent hard slider with mid-80s velocity and a slow-developing curveball. He occasionally mixes in a changeup. According to multiple teams I spoke with, he has an above-average spin rate on both of his breaking balls. He's had a lot of medical questions in his college career, specifically issues with his elbow, but clubs seem to be convinced that it shouldn't be a barrier to taking him in the first round. This spring, he was filling up the strike zone more than ever and was able to show his durability by making every start without any early exits.[/BLOCKQUOTE] [BLOCKQUOTE]Hunter Bishop, OF, Arizona State Age: 20 Height: 6-5 Weight: 210 Bats: L Throws: R HIT: 50 PWR: 65 RUN: 60 ARM: 50 FLD: 50 Bishop was drafted by the San Diego Padres in the June 2016 Amateur Draft but decided to go to Arizona State instead. The move paid off for him: thanks to three years of adjustments, his hit tool took off this year. The left-handed hitter's calling card has always been his combination of speed and power that has evaluators believing he could join the 30/30 club someday. More importantly, the development of his bat tool has put him in the top of this year's draft class. Bishop's work ethic, mental toughness and competitiveness are definitely difference-making qualities.[/BLOCKQUOTE] [BLOCKQUOTE]Bryson Stott, SS, UNLV Age: 21 Height: 6-3 Weight: 205 Bats: L Throws: R HIT: 55 PWR: 50 RUN: 50 ARM: 55 FLD: 55 Stott is a solid defensive shortstop with an above-average, accurate arm. He flashes solid leather with average range to both sides. At the plate, he demonstrates solid contact and barrel awareness with the potential of having at least major-league average type power. He's an average to above-average runner with usable speed. There is very little risk him in developing into an everyday winning shortstop at the major-league level.[/BLOCKQUOTE]

RealityChuck Jun 03 2019 12:09 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I still can conceive of any reason to pay attention to mock drafts. Other than the first choice (and maybe the second), it's just pure guesswork that is wrong more often than it is right.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2019 12:13 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

=RealityChuck post_id=11883 time=1559585377 user_id=82] I still can conceive of any reason to pay attention to mock drafts. Other than the first choice (and maybe the second), it's just pure guesswork that is wrong more often than it is right.

I cant conceive of any reason to pay attention to any of this unless the Mets are in the running to draft someone who's already considered a phenom. Otherwise, the Mets'll draft someone who, yesterday, I never heard off and whose future is about as murky as the lottery ticket In my wallet.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 02:16 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

That's all true but it's how guys get into the org for better or worse. Chance are this will be the first time you hear some name that will be magical, or noteworthy, or important for the Mets at some point. That's always fun. Edit: Look how much fun we had meeting Matt Harvey and Jacob deGrom in 2010! http://archives.thecranepool.net/14000/f1_t14041.shtml LWFS: The ninth-round guy DeGrom (Jacob DeGrom, RHP/SS, Stetson) looks interesting-- superlative control, with just 16 BB all last year.

Vic Sage Jun 03 2019 02:30 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

i love mock drafts in basketball and football, but not so much in baseball. draft picks make an immediate impact in other sports. In baseball, it generally takes years before a prospect has any impact in MLB, if ever, and by that time his draft history is long forgotten. Still, even in baseball, the draft is all about the promise of tomorrow; it feeds the hope that springs eternal in the human breast. I get excited by that.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2019 02:36 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

18 year olds who played what?.... 25 games this year?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 02:45 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I'm dying at these exchanges in the old threads: Vic Sage Jun 03 2013 12:27 PM Re: GREETINGS! -- aka: the draft thread 2013 just get some fucker who can hit please! A Boy Named Seo Jun 03 2013 12:51 PM Re: GREETINGS! -- aka: the draft thread 2013 "Sandy, explain your thought process behind this pick at #11." "Our game plan, as always, has been to get some fucker who can hit, and we felt he was best hitting fucker available, so we jumped at the chance to nab this fucker." LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2013 06:25 PM Re: GREETINGS! -- aka: the draft thread 2013 RUNNING NEEDS LIST: Motherfuckers who can hit Best MF Available Real Good Motherfuckers

Vic Sage Jun 03 2019 03:15 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I stand behind my assessment.

bmfc1 Jun 03 2019 04:55 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Final Mocks: ESPN - LHP Zack Thompson Baseball America - LHP Zack Thompson Jim Callis (MLB) - LHP Zack Thompson Jonathan Mayo (MLB) - OF Hunter Bishop Fangraphs - SS Bryson Stott Perfect Game - LHP Zack Thompson

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 06:18 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Bishop went to the Giants, Manoah went to Toronto. So both Thompson and Stott are available for us

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 06:21 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Some guy on the internet thinks Baty, a high school 3B, will be the pick

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 06:22 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2019 06:23 PM

And it's Brett Bady from Texas hs. "Best high school bat "

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2019 06:23 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

We once picked a HS 3B-man that did a'right.

bmfc1 Jun 03 2019 06:23 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

That was a surprise but with a name like Baty, he's got to be good. From The Athletic, this is from the Pirates writer who thought that Pittsburgh would take him. Brett Baty, 3B, Lake Travis High School The Pirates are starved for power at every level of their system, including in the majors. Baty is a big (6-foot-3, 218 pounds), powerful Texas high schooler and UT commit who might end up switching to first base by the time he reaches the majors. Hmm … sounds a lot like Josh Bell. A lefty batter, Baty can hit for power to all fields. A third baseman at Lake Travis High School, Baty will turn 20 in November, which is old for a prep player, but his 70-grade power and plus bat speed are powerful lures. From a column about HS players: Brett Baty, 3B, Lake Travis HS, Austin, Texas: If you looked up “third baseman from Texas” on Wikipedia, you'd find a Commons photo of Baty, a big horse with 70-grade power from the left side and plenty of offensive polish. Doubters wonder if Baty can stay at third base but he's made enough progress with the glove this spring that it is at least possible. He's a Texas signee. One negative: he's already 19 years old, which will turn off some evaluators. Projection: mid-to-late first round.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2019 06:29 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I wonder what the story is with him already being 19-1/2 y/o? You hear stories of Texas kids being intentionally held back in school by their parents in order to stand out more in HS football. That doesn't seem like the type of things you'd intentionally rig for baseball ... but yaneverknow

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 06:36 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Phillies get Met leftover Bryson Stott

LWFS Jun 03 2019 06:59 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Brett Baty is an A-plus baseball name. The Carroll kid really was giving off that Kelenic-y smell.

LWFS Jun 03 2019 07:35 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

"Quinn Priester" sounds like the Cockney rhyming slang punchline to a joke I don't know.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2019 07:44 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Presumed NYM dreamboat -- U-Kentucky lefty Zack Thompson -- winds up going to the Cards at #19

Edgy MD Jun 03 2019 08:26 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

=LWFS post_id=11909 time=1559609978 user_id=84]Brett Baty is an A-plus baseball name.

He can also potentially join the Mets' ever-growing Beta Beta Fraternity:


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Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 03 2019 09:42 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Mets take another Texas high school kid, RHP Josh Wolf with their 2nd pick/53 overall.

MFS62 Jun 04 2019 06:56 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Mets take another Texas high school kid, RHP Josh Wolf with their 2nd pick/53 overall. They may have to buy him out of a commitment to Texas A&M. Later

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 07:00 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Here's Wolfie demonstrating that Astros design DNA still resonating in area high schools. https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/11/64/17603880/3/940x0.jpg>

Centerfield Jun 04 2019 08:29 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Write tomorrow's headlines about Brett Baty today! GOING BATY! Rookie Phenom Homers Twice in Mets Win BATMAN RETURNS Mets Rookie Recalled from Syracuse After Blatant Service Time Manipulation BAT'S ALL FOLKS! Baty Walk-Off HR Wins it for Mets in 11 LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRETT Heads up play by 3B saves the day for Mets!

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2019 08:34 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

That his last name is pronounced like Beatty takes the edge off of most of those headlines, I'd think.

bmfc1 Jun 04 2019 09:22 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

More fanciful: METS WIN, BY GEORGE! Brett Homers Despite Pine Tar Controversy BATS IN THE BELFREY! Manager Wright Fails To Double Switch In Loss BRETT THE JET "I Want To Be Like Tebow" Says New 2-Sport Star Write tomorrow's headlines about Brett Baty today! GOING BATY! Rookie Phenom Homers Twice in Mets Win BATMAN RETURNS Mets Rookie Recalled from Syracuse After Blatant Service Time Manipulation BAT'S ALL FOLKS! Baty Walk-Off HR Wins it for Mets in 11 LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRETT Heads up play by 3B saves the day for Mets!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 12:12 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Round 3: Matthew Allen, RHP Seminole HS Florida. "front line starter potential" but needs to be convin$ed to skip college. Round 4: Jake Magnum, CF, Mississippi State (is that where the CPF's own Farmer Ted works now?) --Mets previously drafted Magnum last year but he returned for his senior year. Switch hitter with speed no power or walks

bmfc1 Jun 04 2019 12:16 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Big move by the Mets in Round 3, taking a HS pitcher projected as a 1st rounder but was thought to be college-bound. Hopefully Brodie knows something. These comments are from The Athletic, the 1st from Jim Bowden who has Allan as the 4th best pitcher in the draft, the 2d from the Nationals reporter who projected him as a 1st rounder in their mock. [BLOCKQUOTE]Matthew Allan, RHP, Seminole HS (Sanford, Fla.) Age: 18 Height: 6-3 Weight: 210 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 60 CH: 45 CTL: 55 CMND: 50 Allan has one of the best arms of all the high school pitchers in this draft, with a clean delivery and solid arm action. His solid frame gives him a good downward plane on his pitches. His arsenal includes a mid-90s fastball and a knee-buckling 12-6 curve. He'll flash an occasional changeup, but right now it is too hard and needs work. He has as high a ceiling as any pitcher in this draft, and he has committed to the University of Florida if he doesn't sign. ... I still see Washington going with a pitcher here. Allan is rated by many scouting services as the top high school pitcher in this draft. He has a classic starter's frame at 6-3, 210 and a fastball that already reaches the mid-90s. He's also an excellent athlete. [/BLOCKQUOTE]

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 12:25 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Yes, you wanna think they had deals worked out with these kids or at least understood what they'd cost going in, and now can stop trying in the draft by getting only senior relief pitchers

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 12:50 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

5th round: Nathan Jones, RHP, Northwestern State (LA) senior

Edgy MD Jun 04 2019 01:32 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I'm always at least a little suspicious of athletes from the former Confederacy territories coming to the organization with names that seemingly invoke Confederate generals, but who knows. https://nsudemons.com/images/2019/2/7/Jones_Nathan.jpg?width=300> Four Sisters: Baylee, Brooklyn, Breanne and Brighton. One brother: Noah

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 01:39 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Zach Ashford, CF, Fresno State, also a senior

Edgy MD Jun 04 2019 01:42 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Looking forward to the Mets fielding an all-Zach/Zack lineup.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2019 02:27 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Mets take another Texas high school kid, RHP Josh Wolf with their 2nd pick/53 overall. Next year somebody will link the Mets to a player in the 2020 draft by saying: 'The Mets are known to favor prep players from Texas' -- as often these projections and 'mocks' are based on the idea that how the team trended in the previous draft is the equivalent of a set-in-stone philosophy.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 02:28 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Luke Ritter, Wichita State Shocker, come on down. Senior second baseman, hit .333 with 9 homers and 2nd all-time in career hit by pitches.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2019 02:42 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Sixth Round's best name: Stanford catcher Maverick Handley, taken by Baltimore. Marketing Opportunity Missed by Mets: White Sox: Fifth-Rounder Dan Metzdorf.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 04 2019 03:43 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Kent State lefty Connor Wollersheim is here, as is Joe Genord, 1B for Greg W Prince U.

Edgy MD Jun 04 2019 04:03 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

https://kentstatesports.com/images/2018/11/21/Connor_Wollersheim.jpg?width=300> https://gousfbulls.com/images/2018/10/22/Genord_Joe.jpg?width=300>

bmfc1 Jun 04 2019 05:55 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Worth reading. Apparently, and I know this is hard to believe, the Mets had a smart and savvy draft strategy: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mets-high-risk-play-for-matthew-allan-headlines-day-2/ [TWEET]https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1136043133014294528[/TWEET]

G-Fafif Jun 04 2019 08:16 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

https://twitter.com/usfbaseball/status/1136026382650228736?s=21 From Dave Eiland's and my alma mater.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2019 01:55 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Yanx take the same route as Mets w/3rd pick Matthew Allen by hoping/ignoring plans for college ball by drafting Jack Leiter. He's destined for Vanderbilt acc to family but Yanx take him anyway in the 20th round Can either or both be lured by 1st round money? Yanx are in the better position on this one as only the bonus dollars given to top 10 round choices count against the total pool. If the Mets go 'over slot' to get Allen (and they'll have to) then that money has to come out of somewhere/someone else -- hence those college seniors drafted in rounds 4 thru 10 with less bargaining power -- and it can't just be by opting not to sign one or two guys as bonuses set aside for players not signed is simply lost.

HahnSolo Jun 05 2019 02:10 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

They drafted Leiter's HS teammate with their first pick, maybe they think having his buddy in the system will help Jack's signability.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 05 2019 02:12 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Couple more interesting guys they drafted today. A 6-foot-9 pitcher out of Oklahoma high school, Jace Beck; and a 6-foot-7 pitcher from Stetson, Mitchell Senger, whose numbers really suck--these are the intriguing ones! They also dipped into the undrafted college wannabe ranks taking 34th ranked high school lefty Hunter Barco with the 718th pick. Then there's the interestingly named Antoine Duplantis, an outfielder from LSU who has a sense of humor (his teammate was a MFY pick): [TWEET]https://twitter.com/dreasduplantis/status/1136313234301100033[/TWEET] Antoine who goes by Twanie, has a brother named Armond, who goes as Mondo, who is also a top NCAA pole vaulter. http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=211804244

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2019 07:02 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

So-called 'Notable' picks (acc to MLB.com) from some of the later rounds: 21st round = Branden Fryman, a SS from Samford (note the lack of a 't') Notable in that he's the son of 13 yr vet Travis 24th: Hunter Barco, LHP, The Bolles School in FLA His draft stock took a hit due to a shoulder separation and he was shut down in advance of the draft. "When he's at his best, however, the 6' 4" lefty Gators recruit can run his heater up to 94 mph and execute both a slider and a changeup while working from a deceptive arm slot." 25th: Joseph Charles, RHP, TNXL Academy (FLA) 'A UNC commit Charles (ranked No. 181) is up to 96-97 mph consistently with his fastball, and there could be more in the tank with some tweaks to his somewhat violent delivery. His power stuff, delivery and lack of command lead some to peg the right-hander as a future reliever.' 27th: Dalton Fowler, LHP, Northwest Mississippi CC 'Fowler (ranked No. 150) backed out of a commitment to Mississippi, and he will return to Northwest Mississippi CC for his sophomore season if he doesn't turn pro. While his velocity tends to fluctuate, the southpaw is still growing into his lanky 6-foot-5 frame and could sit in the mid-90s with a solid three-pitch mix once he's fully developed.'

bmfc1 Jun 21 2019 06:41 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Round 4: Jake Magnum, CF, Mississippi State (is that where the CPF's own Farmer Ted works now?) --Mets previously drafted Magnum last year but he returned for his senior year. Switch hitter with speed no power or walks I think that we're going to like Jake Magnum. The entire article and the videos are worthwhile: https://d1baseball.com/columns/fitt-mangums-mark-on-college-baseball-will-endure/

Edgy MD Jun 21 2019 07:50 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I think you just figured out who to adopt.

bmfc1 Jun 26 2019 11:38 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1143933608375324673[/TWEET] I'm going to say something nice about Brodie Van Ego: Great job getting 1st round talent in the 3d round. He gamed the system and made it work. Nicely done!!!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jun 26 2019 11:51 AM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Yes it did look like a good draft for them but you never know with high school pitchers. This 4th round Jesus-loving, singles-hitter out of Mississippi going cheap helped to make it happen so I salute you, Jake Mangum. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/jakemangum15/status/1143294189297426435[/TWEET]

Edgy MD Jun 26 2019 12:31 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

It looks like they went well under slot for all of picks 4 through 10. I don't know how a team swings that, but they all signed. Looks like the highest pick not yet signed is from Round 11 — Louisiana State outfielder Antoine Duplantis, who either found his power stroke his senior season, or the SEC is using Rob Manfred's balls.

Lefty Specialist Jun 26 2019 02:03 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

I wonder how Mrs. Manfred feels about that.

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2019 02:46 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 26 2019 08:39 PM

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yes it did look like a good draft for them but you never know with high school pitchers. They wound up with three of the pre-draft top 40 players -- the 17th, 36th, and 13th rated players with the 12th, 53rd, and 89th picks (at least according to some ratings lists). Last time they had a draft that good it produced Ike Davis (18th), Reese Havens (22) and Bradley Holt (33) so it'll be tough to match the [CROSSOUT]great caree ...[/CROSSOUT] Uh, nevermind.

Edgy MD Jun 26 2019 04:21 PM Re: Draft, I Mock Thee!!

Man, Brad Holt. We should make up a team of guys who killed it in Brooklyn and were never heard from again. The Blaedergroen Bunch. Actually, the Blade peaked in the South Atlantic League. Make it the Concepción Cabal.