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My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 10:56 AM

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEAENjntq1K42fBWWaRDwXUQqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySwwi9a0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Centerfield May 29 2019 11:22 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I'm not surprised to see that Sandy took the high road. I would have been shocked if Alderson came out with a blistering tell-all. Look, I'm sure Alderson is a good guy, but he's not without fault. He acted as a shield for the Wilpons for years, enabled them to act in their Wilpon way, and threw Cespedes under the bus when he knew the guy was playing hurt. So fuck Sandy too. Along with the Wilpons. And Brodie. Fuck them all.

kcmets May 29 2019 12:00 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Alderson is now cancer-free and working as an adviser for the A's. Good for him!

Ceetar May 29 2019 12:36 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I mean, plenty of people do come back and work for the Mets, so it can't be all bad. I wouldn't have expected an employee of another team to really delve into his former job? He also voluntarily came back a few times right? renewed his contract? I think he's been back one or twice in NY for events around the team since or am I mistaking that? Plenty of bad to say working for..well working for any big organization or rich person, but a drumming up a non-quote as negative is just clickbait.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 29 2019 12:39 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I think it's true that they sabotaged him, gave him insufficient resources, undermined him by hiring FoFs, then blamed him.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 12:47 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on.

Ceetar May 29 2019 01:16 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on. as many teams do, especially ones with frozen assets. There's no evidence that Sandy was foisted upon the Mets, that's just one of those dumb WFAN things people say. I'd love to hear real sources on that though. And then he stayed beyond that anyway, beyond the frozen assets, beyond the times the team was technically in the red. Why would that even make sense? MLB has a built in system for exploiting players to keep salaries low. They could've hired any number of 'draft guru' type guys. It makes no sense.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 01:21 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on. as many teams do, especially ones with frozen assets. Because that's so common, it happens almost every day. /rolls eyes The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 01:24 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Oh my God. I besmirched the good name of Fred Wilpon, who I'm always conflating with Stephen Hawking and Theo Epstein. Ceetar's not gonna have any of this.

Ceetar May 29 2019 01:36 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Fred Wilpon's an asshole, but that's not exactly news, or likely to change, or really matter. A former employee saying nothing about him isn't really noteworthy. Sure, it's like me having to panhandle, despite owning a 400k house. Or, you know, me having to 10 years ago. You can rant and rave about a loan 10 years ago and rich people always escaping their troubles all you want, but this is ostensibly a Mets forum and there's literally nothing in this non-quote to talk about except as an excuse to roll out your tired old tirades that mean literally nothing about whether or not Syndergaard is going to settle down tonight and have a little more luck than he has most of this season.

Centerfield May 29 2019 01:56 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

If you are a fan of this team, and pay attention to everything that goes on in and around the team, and you think ownership has nothing to do with the results on the field, then there is no point in trying to have a productive conversation with you. A little luck here and Noah's ability to settle down may well affect the result tonight. But luck can't be used to explain away that the Mets have had losing seasons in 9 of 11 years while the Dodgers have rattled off six straight division titles.

kcmets May 29 2019 02:08 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Centerfield post_id=11438 time=1559150544 user_id=65]So fuck Sandy too. Along with the Wilpons. And Brodie. Fuck them all.

I think the fuck Sandy thing is a tad harsh, he was here a long time and for

the most part has been a solid baseball guy his whole life imo.



The jury is still out on Brodie.



I'll never understand anyone going to bat for the Wilpons, but that really doesn't

happen anyways... at least not here.

Johnny Lunchbucket May 29 2019 02:09 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Ceetar post_id=11459 time=1559158577 user_id=102] Fred Wilpon's an asshole, but that's not exactly news, or likely to change, or really matter. A former employee saying nothing about him isn't really noteworthy. Sure, it's like me having to panhandle, despite owning a 400k house. Or, you know, me having to 10 years ago. You can rant and rave about a loan 10 years ago and rich people always escaping their troubles all you want, but this is ostensibly a Mets forum and there's literally nothing in this non-quote to talk about except as an excuse to roll out your tired old tirades that mean literally nothing about whether or not Syndergaard is going to settle down tonight and have a little more luck than he has most of this season.

I think it was noteworthy to get an update on how Sandy's doing and if he'd have any reaction to having been rogered by the leadership of the sorry franchise he got into the world series. We're allowed to discuss this stuff here

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 02:11 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Two first place finishes in 31 seasons. Wilpons. Wilpons. Uber alles.

Ceetar May 29 2019 02:13 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

yes, but he didn't have a reaction. And tweeting, as the author did in a similar vein, is just silly. It's in interesting piece about Beane's and Sandy's relationship and a nice update on a former Mets employee. Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago? The Mets probably shouldn't have waited for Sandy to come back. They probably shouldn't have tried to have him devote much attention to them while getting healthy either. There's no indication Sandy's upset that he doesn't have a full time job running a baseball team?

Ceetar May 29 2019 02:16 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Centerfield post_id=11461 time=1559159800 user_id=65] If you are a fan of this team, and pay attention to everything that goes on in and around the team, and you think ownership has nothing to do with the results on the field, then there is no point in trying to have a productive conversation with you. A little luck here and Noah's ability to settle down may well affect the result tonight. But luck can't be used to explain away that the Mets have had losing seasons in 9 of 11 years while the Dodgers have rattled off six straight division titles.

I didn't say that of course, and knowing what the owners do and do not do is outside mine, and for the most part, everyone's knowledge.



The loan 9 years ago during a lawsuit and frozen assets have nothing to do with how the team is doing right now, what's happening on the field, or what we're going to do at the deadline.

There are so many interesting things we could be talking about, baseball-related. Like how Matz is the fastest pitcher on the planet.



I haven't looked lately, but Thor was pitching pretty typically to unusually poor results for most of the season. There is an expected regression there, where he doesn't get as poor results, bad defense aside (Cause it's not like it's been good in previous years)

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 02:16 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Ceetar post_id=11465 time=1559160792 user_id=102] Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?

Because the quote's insincere bullshit. Sandy's a class act.

Edgy MD May 29 2019 02:18 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee.

It was $25 million, not thousand.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 02:32 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Ceetar post_id=11465 time=1559160792 user_id=102]Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?

=Ceetar post_id=11466 time=1559160964 user_id=102]




The loan 9 years ago during a lawsuit and frozen assets have nothing to do with how the team is doing right now, what's happening on the field, or what we're going to do at the deadline.


So we're not allowed to discuss the past anymore? We can only discuss the immediate present? I'll remember that the next time you wax poetic about how great David Wright once was, or how great Yoenis Cespedes was once upon a time when it seemed like he singlehandedly carried the Mets to a first place finish on their way to the NL pennant.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 02:39 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

[TABLE][/TABLE] Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee. It was $25 million, not thousand.

BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

Ceetar May 29 2019 02:55 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11470 time=1559162383 user_id=68] BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

well, BFD OR NOT? make up your mind. Let's not pretend that the Wilpons would've lost the team if MLB says no there. Jeff Wilpon bought one of those shares of the team the Mets sold. I'm surprised this isn't talked about more. Raise the tax rate on all of these tax-evading shady loophole loving finance assholes.


=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11469 time=1559161960 user_id=68]


So we're not allowed to discuss the past anymore? We can only discuss the immediate present? I'll remember that the next time you wax poetic about how great David Wright once was, or how great Yoenis Cespedes was once upon a time when it seemed like he singlehandedly carried the Mets to a first place finish on their way to the NL pennant.




It's not even an off day! I wasn't even thinking of David Wright, and Cespedes can be discussed next season, since he's not here for this one. Like 99.5% of my daily interest is the current team and roster and active season, unless I'm actively trying to avoid doing a rather menial task at work. Unless you wanted to dive into possibly racially tinged nonsense that he was doing something nefarious and that the Mets should cruelly cut ties with him for it?

Edgy MD May 29 2019 03:14 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

[TABLE][/TABLE] Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee. It was $25 million, not thousand. BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

None of this has any bearing on anything if we don't work with facts. Please let's try to do that.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 03:39 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Edgy MD wrote: [TABLE][/TABLE] Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee. It was $25 million, not thousand. BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary None of this has any bearing on anything if we don't work with facts. Please let's try to do that.

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with this 25K or 25M stuff or what ceets means by make up your mind but I can assure you that it's pretty fucking humiliating for eff Wilpon to have to borrow 25 whatever to keep his lights on. And it was a sure sign, among many other signs, that he had to go when it came to that. It's one thing if you're nitpicking here out of a sense of accuracy, but if you think $25M as opposed to $25K is gonna change the narrative, I disagree.

Edgy MD May 29 2019 04:25 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

One is the truth. One isn't. It's not that elusive a concept. I don't expect anything will change your narrative.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 04:41 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Edgy MD wrote: One is the truth. One isn't. It's not that elusive a concept. I don't expect anything will change your narrative. My narrative? Please. And I'm not disputing your number. I'll go with it, whether it's a K or an M or whatever. Whatever you say it is. It doesnt change the story. And its not my story. I didnt invent it. And I didnt ask MLB for a chump change loan, putting MLB on the spot by asking it to break and then ignore it's own rules. What are you saying? That if it was a $25M loan, it was acceptable?

Edgy MD May 29 2019 05:16 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

No, it's not whatever I say it is. If you don't care for the facts, that's not on me. Please don't ask me "What are you saying?" again.

kcmets May 29 2019 05:59 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

It's a maddening way to have a conversation sometimes, right? Why ask what are you saying (in essence re-writing, misinterpreting or spinning) what was just said? Gong back to square one, I think batmags misinterpreted Sandy's seven words... just my two cents.

batmagadanleadoff May 29 2019 08:35 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Edgy MD wrote: No, it's not whatever I say it is. If you don't care for the facts, that's not on me. Please don't ask me "What are you saying?" again. You're just looking to disagree with me, aren't you? By "whatever you say it is", I'm saying that I agree with you on the numbers. Which should be clear from the rest of the post. But that's not enough for you. Then you throw in that it's my narrative that the Mets had to borrow chump change from MLB. To keep the lights on no less. That's not a disgrace on the Mets. That's biased ol' me shitting on two first place finishes in 31 seasons Mr. Wilpon. My narrative. Oh my. Narrative. And then the usual idiot piles on and if it's me, he'll pile on even if he has no idea what it is me and you are disagreeing about, which he never does. You think I didnt know beforehand that when I started this thread I'd end up answering three or six nitpicking or absurd posts ? Not only that, but I knew who they'd be from, too. And I was right on the money.

Edgy MD May 29 2019 09:22 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11492 time=1559183742 user_id=68]You're just looking to disagree with me, aren't you?

No.

kcmets May 30 2019 04:50 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11492 time=1559183742 user_id=68]And then the usual idiot piles on and if it's me, he'll pile on even if he has no idea what it is me and you are disagreeing about, which he never does.

Again, you misinterpreted Sandy''s seven words, he didn't say go fuck yourself. He

didnt mean go fuck yourself, he didn't even sniff go fuck yourself. You can blather

on and on about all thet other stuff for six more pages (and insult, bully, and make

sport of me) all you want but your take on that short NY Post article is dead wrong.

dgwphotography May 30 2019 07:27 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I'm with batmags on this one. It might not necessarily be a "fuck you" to the Wilpons, but a clipped, one sentence response, compared to his actual excitement for working with the A's, does speak volumes.

kcmets May 30 2019 07:42 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I'm not going to try and convince people here that “I appreciate the opportunity they gave me,” doesn't equal "go fuck yourselves."

batmagadanleadoff May 30 2019 08:00 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I'm not going to try and convince people here that “I appreciate the opportunity they gave me,” doesn't equal "go fuck yourselves." In this case, it does. You just can't see the subtlety of these things. The ironies and the sarcasm. You're a literalist. Not to mention that if DGW was the one who started this thread, you wouldn't have said a word. But thank you for giving me the opportunity to post my opinions on this here wonderful forum.

batmagadanleadoff May 30 2019 08:04 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

=Ceetar post_id=11465 time=1559160792 user_id=102]Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?

=Ceetar post_id=11466 time=1559160964 user_id=102]




The loan 9 years ago during a lawsuit and frozen assets have nothing to do with how the team is doing right now, what's happening on the field, or what we're going to do at the deadline.

Oh my God. We can talk about Count Betsy Devos's count on this Mets forum but we cant criticize the owner of the Mets.

kcmets May 30 2019 08:20 AM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Metsradamus is less literal, but stops short of go fuck yourself.

Fman99 May 30 2019 05:47 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

Oh good, we're back to the jerking off contest. I'll get the paper towels.

kcmets May 30 2019 06:03 PM Re: My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

I'm done, no need for you to bother yourself with cleaning up.