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RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

G-Fafif Jun 13 2019 08:17 AM

Dave Marshall's son, also named Dave, posted on a Giants Facebook group page, that his dad died at 76. The post was timestamped Saturday at 1:22 AM, so not sure if the date of death was June 6 or 7 (he lives in California, so he probably shared the news Friday night where he was). [BLOCKQUOTE]My dad Dave Marshall played 7 years of pro ball from 1967-73. 1967-69 with the Giants. He passed last night after a tough fight with congestive heart failure. He loved his time as a giant and still had many friends to this day with the organization. Just wanted to mention that to the Giant faithful. Below is his first major league home run. It was a 2 run shot with Willie Mays on base. Oh yeah the pitcher was Bob Gibson and the catcher was Tim McCarver.[/BLOCKQUOTE] Dave played for the Mets from 1970-1972. Missed both parties. Good pinch-hitter.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2019 08:30 AM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Fare thee well, Dave. I've had a fascination with guys who are interregnum Mets, clocking in between 1969 and 1973, or even between 1986 and 1988. I think the patron saint of them all is Mike Jorgensen.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2019 09:04 AM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

I have a special affinity for Mets from the 1971 team, my first year of fandom. A 1971 Met seems like a seminal Met to me. As soon as I saw Dave Marshall's name, I pictured this baseball card: https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/71/71-259Fr.jpg>

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2019 09:10 AM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Edgy MD wrote: Fare thee well, Dave. I've had a fascination with guys who are interregnum Mets, clocking in between 1969 and 1972, or even between 1986 and 1988. I think the patron saint of them all is Mike Jorgensen. Marshall was the only player whose Met stint covered the whole 70-72 in between period. Why would Jorgensen be the patron saint of this? Anyways one of my earliest indelible Mets memories is of Marshall chasing down a Hank Aaron homerun at Shea. Marshall reached the outfield wall and jumped as high as he could to try and catch the home run shot but came up empty. Really empty. He lost his glove in the effort, which came off his hand and fell on the other side of the wall. The game was delayed a bit so that Marshall's glove could be retrieved.

G-Fafif Jun 13 2019 12:02 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Other members of the Chowder & Marshall Club would have to include Clint Hurdle (1985 and 1987 Mets but not 1986), Marlon Anderson (2005 and 2007 Mets but not 2006) and Zack Wheeler (whose stay since 2013 entirely skipped 2015 and 2016).

Edgy MD Jun 13 2019 12:28 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=12826 time=1560438653 user_id=68]Marshall was the only player whose Met stint covered the whole 70-72 in between period. Why would Jorgensen be the patron saint of this?

Just a thought. Jorgy came up in 1968 but never appeared in 1969 despite a helluva season in the minors. Then he came back in 1970.



Yeah, he was gone before 1972, so his tenure wasn't perfectly bookended like Marshall, but he gets extra points for coming back for the late-Torre/Bamberger years, but then disappearing again when Johnson and Gooden arrived and the team became a pennant race fixture.



Clint Hurdle also ate something of a shit sandwich, being a 1985 and 1987 Met, but not 1986 or 1988.



But sure — Dave Marshall, patron saint.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2019 12:41 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=12826 time=1560438653 user_id=68]Marshall was the only player whose Met stint covered the whole 70-72 in between period. Why would Jorgensen be the patron saint of this? Just a thought. Jorgy came up in 1968 but never appeared in 1969 despite a helluva season in the minors. Then he came back in 1970. Yeah, he was gone before 1972, so his tenure wasn't perfectly bookended, but he gets extra points for coming back for the late-Torre/Bamberger years, but then disappearing again when Johnson and Gooden arrived and the team became a pennant race fixture. Clint Hurdle also ate something of a shit sandwich, being a 1985 and 1987 Met, but not 1986 or 1988.

Well, if we really wanna go all geek-nerd on this, we need a definition. Otherwise, any player who was a Met anytime during the years 1974-1985 or 2001-2014 technically qualifies for playing during an interregnum. And with FAFIF's post, now we're including all playoff appearances, too -- when I thought this was about the period(s) in between Mets pennants.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2019 12:45 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

It's hard to believe there was a five-year stretch when the Mets made it to the World Series twice. We've since had a progression where we have to wait 13, then 14, then 15 years. Given that pattern, the Mets won't be back until 2031.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2019 12:47 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=12826 time=1560438653 user_id=68]Marshall was the only player whose Met stint covered the whole 70-72 in between period. Why would Jorgensen be the patron saint of this? Just a thought. Jorgy came up in 1968 but never appeared in 1969 despite a helluva season in the minors. Then he came back in 1970. Yeah, he was gone before 1972, so his tenure wasn't perfectly bookended, but he gets extra points for coming back for the late-Torre/Bamberger years, but then disappearing again when Johnson and Gooden arrived and the team became a pennant race fixture. Clint Hurdle also ate something of a shit sandwich, being a 1985 and 1987 Met, but not 1986 or 1988. Well, if we really wanna go all geek-nerd on this, we need a definition. Otherwise, any player who was a Met anytime during the years 1974-1985 or 2001-2014 technically qualifies for playing during an interregnum. And with FAFIF's post, now we're including all playoff appearances, too -- when I thought this was about the period(s) in between Mets pennants.

You kinda cut out my last bit for no good reason.



I understand. Please feel free to go ahead and make your definition.

G-Fafif Jun 13 2019 12:48 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

By my research reckoning a while back (aided immeasurably by Baseball Reference), Dave was the first de facto DH in Mets history to contribute to a win. Lately Gary Cohen has referred to the phenomenon in question as a zombie at-bat: someone pinch-hits for the pitcher, the team bats around and the pinch-hitter, who is no longer pinch-hitting for anybody, comes up again in the same inning. A Met has done it nine times, the first of them being Jim Fregosi the week before Marshall, except Fregosi did it in a loss. What made Marshall's accomplishment striking (and why I discovered it) was it took place in what still stands as the greatest comeback by volume the Mets have ever forged, part of the surge from the Mets being down 8-0 at the Astrodome on September 2, 1972, yet coming back to win, 11-8. Marshall walked in his first DF DH PA, then fouled out to end the seven-run eighth that cut the Mets' deficit to 8-7. They went on to score four in the ninth, presumably reawakening in Houston manager Leo Durocher nightmares from 1969. Your other Met DF DHs following Fregosi and Marshall: Mike Cubbage 1981 Howard Johnson 1985 Gregg Jefferies 1991 Vance Wilson 2003 Daniel Murphy 2011 Wilmer Flores 2017 Matt Reynolds 2017 Ken Boswell served much the same function in 1973, except as a pinch-hitter for Duffy Dyer in the ninth at Candlestick. The starting pitcher, trailing 2-1, batted for himself, having homered earlier in the game. It was Tom Seaver, of course. Tom bunted with two on and nobody out, reached safely, scored the tying run and returned to the mound in the bottom of the inning to finish off a complete game win.

G-Fafif Jun 13 2019 12:57 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's hard to believe there was a five-year stretch when the Mets made it to the World Series twice. This is a truly underrated fact. It's plain as day in our biography and been a part of our lives for more than 45 years now, so it doesn't appear to be all that mind-boggling, but given the space between pennants since then...wow. Zipping up the mountain in 1973 felt possible because 1969 wasn't so far back in the rearview mirror. Crazy late-season, odds-defying surges were what these guys did. Some of them were literally the same guys. Once we get to the next epoch of very good Mets baseball and we're referencing miracles and believing as needed, it's pretty close to ancient history (just enough players are still on the scene somewhere in the mid-'80s from the early '70s so that it's not utterly ancient). Then in our next set of October go-rounds, it's definitely another era. Yet in 1973, yeah, we can come back from a whole bunch of games down. We just did that a few years ago.

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2019 01:07 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Marshall was the first Met I remember -- probably the first ballplayer -- with long hair. Unlike today when it seems half the sports stars want to be rock/rap stars and many in the music business like to burnish their athletic cred, in the '60s the jocks and the 'freaks' were at polar ends of the spectrum so you were either part of the long hair set OR the crew-cut crowd with little or no overlap. Namath probably came the closest but even he wasn't hanging with the hippies. That all started to wear down a bit as the '70s went on and I remember Marshall coming into spring training with very long locks flowing out of the back of his helmet. Don't remember the specific year and much of it was chopped by the beginning of the season anyway IIRC, probably under team orders. But of course, no amount of MLB's conservative bloodlines could hold back the hair -- straight, 'fro or facial -- forever.

41Forever Jun 13 2019 01:14 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

My first memory was this 1973 card and my outrage at Topps painting over his Mets uni. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cogAAOSwlf5ciwYO/s-l1600.jpg>

G-Fafif Jun 13 2019 01:25 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Frayed Knot wrote: Marshall was the first Met I remember -- probably the first ballplayer -- with long hair. Unlike today when it seems half the sports stars want to be rock/rap stars and many in the music business like to burnish their athletic cred, in the '60s the jocks and the 'freaks' were at polar ends of the spectrum so you were either part of the long hair set OR the crew-cut crowd with little or no overlap. Namath probably came the closest but even he wasn't hanging with the hippies. That all started to wear down a bit as the '70s went on and I remember Marshall coming into spring training with very long locks flowing out of the back of his helmet. Don't remember the specific year and much of it was chopped by the beginning of the season anyway IIRC, probably under team orders. But of course, no amount of MLB's conservative bloodlines could hold back the hair -- straight, 'fro or facial -- forever. Anthony DiComo reports Noah Syndergaard has cut five inches of his golden blond locks. No word whether this is part of a tribute.

G-Fafif Jun 14 2019 01:23 PM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

June 6, 2019, in Lakewood, Calif. Two days after his wife died... https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/06/13/dave-marshal-former-mlb-player-and-downtown-long-beach-parking-czar-dies-less-than-48-hours-after-his-wife/

batmagadanleadoff Jun 15 2019 10:18 AM Re: RIP Dave Marshall, 1943-2019

Anyways one of my earliest indelible Mets memories is of Marshall chasing down a Hank Aaron homerun at Shea. Marshall reached the outfield wall and jumped as high as he could to try and catch the home run shot but came up empty. Really empty. He lost his glove in the effort, which came off his hand and fell on the other side of the wall. The game was delayed a bit so that Marshall's glove could be retrieved. Shazam! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48067499366_28abb10feb_b.jpg>