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Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:10 PM

Inspired by a Wayne Garrett discussion during a recent IGT, your job is to list the top 10 Mets in order of their greatest walk rate as a NYM. For purposes of this quiz, ‘Walk Rate' is defined as the simple difference between a player's career BA & OBA even though that may not quite measure only his ‘batting eye' for a player with a large number of intentional walks and/or HBPs Also, the answers can only come from among those in the top 30 of At Bats as a Met -- which translates into 2,200+ ABs -- so you need to restrict your guesses to only those. Three points for correct name Minus one point for incorrect name Add two bonus points for correct placement No multiple guesses, no consecutive guesses, yadda yadda blah balh 1st place prize = Cadillac Eldorado 2nd place = Set of steak knives 3rd place = You get to go first in Double Jeopardy And, as always, those who are late do not get fruit cup

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:16 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

You just disqualified John Olerud. What a drag.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:19 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2019 05:28 PM

OK. Put me down for Wayne Garrett, top tenner. Let's make him #1 all time. Why not?

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:26 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

And it turns out that Wayne Garrett actually IS the winner of the Wayne Garrett inspired quiz. With a stunning IsoW of .111 [.247 BA / .348 OBA] he is the #1 walk-drawer-rate-guy of all NYMs Olerud, btw, is at .110 but doesn't qualify for this quiz as he barely cracks the top 50 in NYM ABs Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 3) 4) 5) T-6 T-6 T-6 9) 10)

BatMags = 5 Points

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 05:27 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Well, the 2,200 eliminates Rickey Henderson, the greatest walker of all time, and I'm pretty sure he would be #1 if the limit was 500 or 600 at-bats. I'll go with Lee Mazzilli.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:28 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Frayed Knot wrote: And it turns out that Wayne Garrett actually IS the winner of the Wayne Garrett inspired quiz. With a stunning IsoW of .111 [.247 BA / .348 OBA] he is the #1 walk-drawer-rate-guy of all NYMs Olerud, btw, is at .110 but doesn't qualify for this quiz as he barely cracks the top 50 in NYM ABs Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 3) 4) 5) T-6 T-6 T-6 9) 10) BatMags = 5 Points

It had to be Garrett. Garrett's OBP's were as good as anybody's in franchise history, but he was putting up sub .250 batting averages. He had to have been a walking monster to do that.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:30 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 3) 4) 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 T-6 T-6 9) 10)

BatMags = 5 Points

Edgy 3 Points

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:31 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

I'll go with Dave Magadan, 2nd best walk rate.

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 05:32 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

I'll go with Curtis Granderson, #5.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:34 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2019 05:36 PM

Neither Dave Magadan (34th in ABs - .099 IsoW) nor Curtis Granderson (35th - .102) qualifies BatMags = 4 Edgy = 2

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:36 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the 2,200 eliminates Rickey Henderson, the greatest walker of all time, and I'm pretty sure he would be #1 if the limit was 500 or 600 at-bats.... Could be. Rickey flirted with a .400 OBA for most of 1999 until he trailed off a bit with an end of season slump. But 2000 might have clinched it for him -- his batting average fell through the floor, but his OBA remained at HOF caliber strength. Like the end of Willie Mays's career.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:37 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Keith. 2nd place. When we're talking Mets, he's like Liberace. You don't need to hear his last name to know who I'm talking about.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:39 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 3) 4) 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 T-6 9) 10)

BatMags = 8 Points

Edgy 3 Points

Chad ochoseis Jun 30 2019 05:41 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

I think Beltran had an OBP up around .400 as a Met, and he probably cracked the top 30 in ABs. 6th?

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:43 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2019 05:48 PM

Beltran hit .280 / .369 as a Met, good enough for [CROSSOUT]10th[/CROSSOUT] 9th place Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 3) 4) 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 T-6 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10)

BatMags = 8 Points

Edgy 3 Points

Chad O = 3 Points





Rickey (118) would have won, but he had half as many NYM ABs as Duffy Dyer and it would have taken me forever to put this together if I went that deep.







oe: quick correction on Beltan's placement

MFS62 Jun 30 2019 05:48 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

[CROSSOUT]Al Moran[/CROSSOUT] (just kidding) Mike Piazza Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2019 05:49 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

David Wright, 2nd place.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 05:50 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Piazza (.077) didn't walk as much as one might have thought he would. He winds up 14th on this list. Wright, was 13th (.080) BatMags = 7 Points Edgy 3 Points Chad O = 3 Points MFS = -1

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 06:36 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

One of those ties for sixth is Strawb.

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 06:38 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

And please double check Magadan and Granderson. I don't see how they couldn't be there.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 06:52 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2019 06:55 PM

Edgy MD wrote: One of those ties for sixth is Strawb. Like the late Dr. John, you're in the right place but the wrong time ... or something like that. Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 97 3) Darryl Strawberry 96 4) 94 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 90 T-6 90 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10) 83

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 06:53 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Edgy MD wrote: And please double check Magadan and Granderson. I don't see how they couldn't be there. Because they were 34th & 35th in ABs and so they don't qualify as per the above rules. BatMags = 7 Points Edgy 6 Points Chad O = 3 Points MFS = -1

ashie62 Jun 30 2019 07:36 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Kevin McReynolds

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 07:38 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Wally Backman. Fourth.

ashie62 Jun 30 2019 07:39 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Howard Johnson 4th

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 07:43 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2019 07:46 PM

BUDDY!! Unlike Rey, he complemented his generally weak bat and great glove with a relatively high OBP (.234/.324) Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 97 3) Darryl Strawberry 96 4) 94 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 Howard Johnson 90 T-6 Bud Harrelson 90 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10) 83

BatMags = 7 Points

Edgy 5 Points

Chad O = 3 Points

Ashie: +3 -1 = 2 = 2

MFS = -1

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 07:44 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

That's because I meant Buddy Harrelson.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 07:47 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

BUDDY!! Unlike Rey, he complemented his generally weak bat and great glove with a relatively high OBP (.234/.324) Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 97 3) Darryl Strawberry 96 4) 94 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 Howard Johnson 90 T-6 Bud Harrelson 90 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10) 83

BatMags = 7 Points

Edgy = 8 Points

Chad O = 3 Points

Ashie: +3 -1 = 2 = 2

MFS = -1

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 07:53 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

I somehow erased the post where I said that Backman & McReynolds were wrong but that HoJo was right - although not in the right place.

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 08:00 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Yeah, I feel like I got something right before I got it right.

Chad ochoseis Jun 30 2019 08:40 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

How about Fonz in the 10th spot?

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 08:41 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Fonzie was a pedestrian 16th in walk rate as a Met Think power! BatMags = 7 Points Edgy = 8 Points Chad O = 2 Points Ashie: = 2 MFS = -1

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 08:43 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

John Milner #4.

Chad ochoseis Jun 30 2019 08:45 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Fonz wasn't exactly powerless... How about Hundley in 10th?

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2019 08:49 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

How 'bout John Milner in 4th AND Todd Hundley in 10th!!! Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) 97 3) Darryl Strawberry 96 4) John Milner 94 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 Howard Johnson 90 T-6 Bud Harrelson 90 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10) Todd Hundley 83

BatMags = 7 Points

Edgy = 13 Points

Chad O = 7 Points

Ashie: = 2

MFS = -1

Edgy MD Jun 30 2019 09:05 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

One left on the board. I know I should drop out and let the board go clean, but I can't help but guess. Mucus Duda! #2!

Frayed Knot Jul 01 2019 01:23 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Doo-Dah is indeed the second best walk-getter among all long-timey Mets, but still a long shot behind the red-headed leader. I wonder how much/if any coach Eddie Yost had on that aspect of the game. I get the feeling that coaches did a lot less in those days so possibly not a lot. But Yost, who in addition to STILL being the best fielding 3rd base coach I've ever seen, was known as 'The Walking Man' during his playing career and indeed he racked up a stunning .140 isolated OB rate over his 18 year long career, or a walk in about 17.5% of his career PA. Usually only power hitters lurk anywhere hear that territory and Yost was no power guy [5' 10 / 170 - 139 career HR] Place PLAYER Walk Rate 1) Wayne Garrett .111 2) Lucas Duda 97 3) Darryl Strawberry 96 4) John Milner 94 5) Lee Mazzilli 93 T-6 Keith Hernandez 90 T-6 Howard Johnson 90 T-6 Bud Harrelson 90 9) Carlos Beltran 89 10) Todd Hundley 83

BatMags = 7 Points

Edgy = 18 Points

Chad O = 7 Points

Ashie: = 2

MFS = -1







The remainder of the list:

T-11) Rusty Staub .082

T-11) John Stearns .082

13) David Wright .080

T14) Mike Piazza .077

T-14) Ron Swoboda .077

16) Edgardo Alfonzo .075

17) Wally Backman .070

18) Dave Kingman 0.68

19) Tommie Agee .067

20) Jerry Grote .065

T-21) Cleon Jones .059

T-21) Kevin McReynolds .059

T-23) Ed Kranepool .055

T-23) George Foster .055

25) Jose Reyes .052

26) Hubie Brooks .051

27) Felix Millan .048

28) Rey Ordonez .045

T-29) Mookie Wilson .043

T-29 Daniel Murphy .043





I knew Muffy was a low walker (to borrow a term from Seinfeld), but I wouldn't have guessed him for dead last if this were a quiz designed the other way around.

As a Nat he upped that to .051







btw, bad news to the second place finishers: I'm all out of steak knife sets. I'm also out of Cadillac El Dorados

Edgy MD Jul 01 2019 02:00 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Gil Hodges' predecessor, Wes Westrum, was also a walking terror — throwing down a .139 walk rate over his career.

Frayed Knot Jul 06 2019 07:06 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

Before I forget about this and lose the spreadsheet, here are the same 30 guys (most ABs in NYM history) sorted by Isolated Slugging Average rather than walk rate STRAWBERRY - 257 [.263 BA, .520 SLG] PIOAZZA - 246 KINGMAN - 234 BELTRAN - 220 DUDA - 211 H. JOHNSON - 208 HUNDLEY - 198 WRIGHT - 195 McREYNOLDS - 188 MILNER - 170 FOSTER - 170 AGEE - 157 ALFONZO - 153 REYES - 151 SWOBODA - 145 STAUB - 143 MURPHY - 136 MAZZILLI - 132 HERNANDEZ - 132 C. JONES - 125 M. WILSON - 118 STEARNS - 116 KRANEPOOL - 116 GARRETT - 106 BROOKS - 105 GROTE - 73 BACKMAN - 61 MILLAN - 59 ORDONEZ - 59 HARRELSON - 53

Edgy MD Jul 06 2019 07:08 PM Re: get On-BoArd with this kwiz

PIOAZZA was the bomb. They used to call him "Padre."