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Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 29 2019 07:03 AM

Borrowing Lefty's remark from the Stroman discussion for a rumor thread. Buster this morning suggests Red Sox are willing to pay up for Diaz. Previous speculation links Wheeler and Diaz in a deal together to replenish prospect well. That to me makes sense, though you know what would be even cooler? Signing Wheeler to an extension NOW!!!! and just trading Matz or Vargas. Either way Olney sez 3B slugger Bobby Dalbec or 1B/3B Triston Casas (Boston's No. 2 and 1 prospects, respectively) could go. Dalbec is a RHH high-whiff slugger with a strong arm (sounds like Frazier); Casas is a lanky LHH with more classic on-base skills but perhaps a 1B. Sounds like San Diego signaling Mets' ask for Syndy is too high and let them miss out if so, and if Manual Margot (usta be a hot prospect) is the MLB talent we might pass. In fact let's not trade Syndy at all.

Lefty Specialist Jul 29 2019 07:15 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I was really hoping Todd Frazier would be the subject of trade rumors but apparently nobody wants him.

Ceetar Jul 29 2019 07:26 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I think Wheeler still goes. He's going to be a free agent anyway. There was a post somewhere about Wheeler mentioning how communicative Van Wagenen was with him, the situation, and all that. Seems unlikely they're talking extension _now_ but maybe there's seeds sown to bring him back anyway, or some clear stance on what his value is to them. *shrug* It doesn't seem unreasonable they could trade AND re-sign him. Regardless, they needed at least two pitchers next season and nabbing a pretty good one now allows you to be a little choosier later.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2019 01:10 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

It's fine with me if they deal Frazier, but it's not like he's an 'addition by subtraction' kind of guy. Among position players, only Alonso, McNeil, and Conforto are out-WAR-ing him this season. If they can get something for him then go for it. But if he stays he stays ... and then is gone two months from now.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 07:54 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I know how long the odds are but if the Mets just said screw it, we're going for it with a 5 of deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Stroman and Matz ball-out for the rest of the season I'd get behind that, and then offer Wheeler a qualifying deal. If they want to replenish the farm system go ahead and trade Diaz. This isn't a bankable idea but a million cranebucks says a return to the closer role for Fammy results in some improvement

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2019 08:41 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Gah. I'm afraid of putting Familia into any kind of situation. I'd be terrified if he had to choose between paper and plastic at Shop-Rite.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 08:44 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

One of my Minneapolis-based colleagues is terrified the Twins will trade Bryon Buxton for Syndergaard

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2019 09:14 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Well, they're not moving Vargas to the pen. So if Brodie is serious about contending for the wild card, he's got to pick up a bullpen arm someplace. Trading Vargas would have been a good way to get one, but, no. We had to get Bradley Wilpon's buddy instead. Right now they're 50-55 because of an underperforming starting staff, but especially a flammable bullpen. Add in a poor defense with too many players out of position and inconsistent offense and there you go. Some of these things need to be addressed. The starting staff may be improving, but the pen, oy. Trading Diaz will not help. Yes, he's sucked, but at least he's closer material. Lugo with his arm dangling by a string and Familia with his sanity dangling by a string are not reasonable alternatives. The Syracuse shuttle has produced nothing. Nothing else good can happen unless the pen is addressed. A good CF would be nice but it's not happening.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 11:15 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Ervin Santana pulled from today's scheduled start for AAA

Edgy MD Jul 30 2019 11:59 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

That's just a fact. Let's get some wild and baseless speculation attached to it!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 12:07 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

THEY WANT TO TRY A "BULLPEN" GAME TO SEE IF ITS THE KIND IF THING THE METS WOULD LIKE TO DO I THINK

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2019 12:18 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

It appears that the Red Sox are either likely to trade for Edgar Diaz, or are not likely to trade for Edgar Diaz, depending on who you ask. My conclusion is that Diaz might get traded to the Red Sox. Or that he might not.

41Forever Jul 30 2019 12:34 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 30 2019 02:08 PM

Unless we get some amazing players in return -- better than what we got in the last firesale -- I don't see the advantage in dealing Diaz. He's given us heartburn to be sure, but there has to be a way to get him back on track. Also, I think he -- not Cano -- was the centerpiece of that deal last year. Deal the centerpiece of that trade, and it's like saying "Yeah, we totally screwed up that one. Oops." I still feel more confident with him than Familia at this point.

seawolf17 Jul 30 2019 12:56 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Unless we get some amazing players in return -- better than what we got in the last firesale -- I don't see the advantage in dealing Diaz. He's given us heartburn to be sure, but there has to be a way to get his back on track. Also, I think he -- not Cano -- was the centerpiece of that deal last year. Deal the centerpiece of that trade, and it's like saying "Yeah, we totally screwed up that one. Oops." I still feel mroe confident with him than Familia at this point. Absolutely. Diaz isn't going anywhere.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2019 01:06 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Rays are asking about Diaz.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2019 01:15 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

They're probably asking, "Why did you take on Robinson Cano in order to get Diaz?"

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2019 01:25 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Unless we get some amazing players in return -- better than what we got in the last firesale -- I don't see the advantage in dealing Diaz. He's given us heartburn to be sure, but there has to be a way to get his back on track. Also, I think he -- not Cano -- was the centerpiece of that deal last year. Deal the centerpiece of that trade, and it's like saying "Yeah, we totally screwed up that one. Oops." I still feel mroe confident with him than Familia at this point. Absolutely. Diaz isn't going anywhere. Don't be so sure. The reason Diaz is being dangled isn't because the Mets have soured on him and are admitting a mistake. It's because ALL the contenders -- even the Yanx who signed like 78 relievers prior to the season -- are looking for relief help and if Diaz will start a bidding war then you have to listen. My concern, as it is for most of these situations, is that team mgmt often, in effect, 'pre-decides' that they're going to trade someone (or trade FOR someone) and then they stop at nothing in order to achieve that goal. iow, once they make the decision they then never consider NOT doing a deal. See the Kazmir, Scott fiasco. But you HAVE TO be able to walk away if you don't get your price but that's one of the places I think the corporate mentality of this club gets in its own way.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 30 2019 01:37 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I'd rather be the team that trades away the closer for a haul than the team that trades for one. If the price is right, see ya, Sugar. Then rebuild the pen next year on other just-as-volatile, cheaper FA options.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 01:44 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'd rather be the team that trades away the closer for a haul than the team that trades for one. If the price is right, see ya, Sugar. Then rebuild the pen next year on other just-as-volatile, cheaper FA options. Yep

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2019 01:47 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I agree with that too. Rumor is that Boston is considering trading a top third-base prospect. I don't know how good the guy is, or even what his name is, but if he's more or less on a par with Kelenic you've mitigated some of the damage of that trade. (There's still the remainder of Cano's contract, however...)

G-Fafif Jul 30 2019 02:01 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Ken Rosenthal says Mets are "asking for major league or major league-ready pieces for Syndergaard, even from clubs with top farm systems."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 02:07 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Seeing as we're trading one, not a bad ask.

G-Fafif Jul 30 2019 02:14 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Buster Olney: "Mets and Braves have talked about possible deals -- Diaz, Wheeler -- but no traction so far."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 30 2019 02:47 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Good Joel Sherman column on the Mets and their seeming weird approach to this and every deadline: https://nypost.com/2019/07/30/understanding-the-wilpon-model-and-mets-trade-deadline-approach/ One reason why the "sustained success" thing continually eludes them. No vision, no patience, just continual, contemporaneous pivots. Really the only time in the Wilpon Era they ever really got their hands dirty on a real rebuild was when Sandy was thrust upon them by the lenders -- and there was some trouble truly committing to that (the Wright extension). Worth noting he got them to a world series and as soon as the Pons were out of hot water financially they moved to crush him.

Ceetar Jul 30 2019 02:59 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I mean, I wouldn't sell the horse for a closer but it's easy to draw a link from the Mets acquisition of Addison Reed for basically nothing to their two playoff appearances.

kcmets Jul 30 2019 03:09 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

=Ceetar post_id=17067 time=1564520365 user_id=102]I mean, I wouldn't sell the horse for a closer but it's...

Funny, you never struck me as a horse guy.



I'm gonna tune the whole trade deadline out until about 2:00 tomorrow.

Ceetar Jul 30 2019 03:26 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I mean, that's what newspapers still exist for, so you can ignore stuff and they can recap it for you later. I typically hate all this projecting and teeth gnashing but there's a certain chaos to it that I enjoy watching. The EXTREME vitriol being spewed over what the Mets didn't do was entertaining most of the 2015 trade deadline, and even more so once the Cespedes news broke.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2019 05:12 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Some Mets snark from David Roth at Deadspin. Including about the third instsance I'm noticing about how the Wilpons suddenly don't like Syndergaard. And by don't like, I mean personality-wise. If this is true and history repeats itself, this is the kiss of death for Met fans of Thor. I guess the Wilpons still think that their fans will accept the unloading of any Met so long as the owners float a rumor about the so-called creepy soon to be departed Met. I now await the Mets inevitable acquisition of this year's Jim Fregosi in exchange for baseball's most spectacular throwing arm. https://deadspin.com/a-working-theory-of-what-the-mets-are-even-doing-right- An excerpt: The rest of it, the “Mets hijacking the market” part, is very interesting, and that's the part that we don't know yet. The Mets have, in Noah Syndergaard, easily the most valuable player being made available at the trade deadline. Ordinarily, a player like Syndergaard would not be made available under any circumstances—he is younger and better than Stroman, will be underpaid per MLB's system for two more years instead of one, and when he's right is one of the most overpowering arms in all of baseball. The Mets owners do not appear to like Syndergaard very much—it's a long and stupid story, but ownership tends to have a problem with big-personality aces, and Syndergaard is one of those—and the team's owner-dictated and shamelessly Flintstonian approach to pitching best practices have not helped Syndergaard at all in recent years. Syndergaard's stats this year have been startlingly pedestrian given his outsized stature and talent. The Mets think Syndergaard is less valuable than every other team in the league does, and as long as they're the ones messing around with him, they'll probably be right. The people in charge of the team are just self-aware enough to realize this, but unwilling to admit that the inevitable fix that unlocks Syndergaard's potential is one they too could make. And so they seem determined to trade Syndergaard, but filled with dread at the possibility—it's tempting to call it a likelihood—that he will compete for the Cy Young Award for whichever team acquires him and makes the same sort of simple, simplifying nudges that let the Houston Astros turn fellow Underachieving Demigod Stuck In Shitty Organization Gerrit Cole into a powerhouse. The Astros, as it happens, match up very well in a potential Syndergaard trade. “But the Mets have to be wondering if a club such as the Astros knows what they don't,” Joel Sherman wrote in the New York Post last week. “Notably, how to evoke the best of health and production from Syndergaard.” It's not just that the entire MLB trade market is waiting for the Mets to move Syndergaard, it's that they're waiting for the Mets to sort out impacted organizational issues and ownership-specific neuroses that have endured for a generation. It's less a hijacking than being in an escape room with a bunch of ultra-confident dopes. They've been arguing for hours.

Ceetar Jul 30 2019 05:17 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

David Roth is a hack and just writes click-bait nonsense for Deadspin, completely unsourced or without an ounce of critical thinking.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2019 06:38 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

The Wilpons are so savvy that they've managed two first place finishes in 31seasons while playing in the nation's largest market - the same market that the Yankees play in.

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2019 07:46 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

It's less a hijacking than being in an escape room with a bunch of ultra-confident dopes. They've been arguing for hours. That's a really good description of what we've been through for decades.

41Forever Jul 31 2019 04:18 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Richard Justice on MLB.com makes a prediction: 3. Noah Syndergaard will not be traded to the Yankees or anywhere else. The Mets are going to wake up Wednesday morning and realized how close they are to being really good. The acquisition of right-hander Marcus Stroman from the Blue Jays means the Mets could enter 2020 with baseball's best rotation. Add those starters to a solid core of young position players, and Citi Field could be one of baseball's hottest tickets in ‘20. And hey, they aren't so far out of it (six games out of the second Wild Card spot as of Tuesday night) that a ‘19 run isn't out of the question just yet either.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 06:21 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Syndergaard said after the game that he 'has been in touch' with the front office during this process and that he expects to still be a Met after today.

Gwreck Jul 31 2019 06:44 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

The logical move is to not trade anyone. Wheeler can be signed to an extension. Play out the season and then go find some additional bullpen parts and a centerfielder in the offseason.

bmfc1 Jul 31 2019 06:46 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Rosenthal today in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue – they also talked about trading him last winter – and fear that Díaz cannot handle New York. If the two are not traded on Wednesday, the Mets can revisit talks during the offseason, when Syndergaard still will be under control for two more seasons and Díaz for three.[/BLOCKQUOTE] So sorry that Noah is not a robot but someone with some brains and opinions (e.g. the post-Spring Training trip to Syracuse). We'll see if Jeffy treats him the way he treats pregnant employees.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 31 2019 06:57 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

=Gwreck post_id=17145 time=1564577076 user_id=56] The logical move is to not trade anyone. Wheeler can be signed to an extension. Play out the season and then go find some additional bullpen parts and a centerfielder in the offseason.

I would love to see them call a press conference this afternoon and announce a surprise Wheelie extension. Fuckin A', that'd be awesome.



(Oh, and also announce they've flipped Diaz for a real centerfielder and a competant MLB bullpen arm)

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 07:06 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

=bmfc1 post_id=17146 time=1564577178 user_id=73] Rosenthal today in The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue – they also talked about trading him last winter – and fear that Díaz cannot handle New York. If the two are not traded on Wednesday, the Mets can revisit talks during the offseason, when Syndergaard still will be under control for two more seasons and Díaz for three.[/BLOCKQUOTE] So sorry that Noah is not a robot but someone with some brains and opinions (e.g. the post-Spring Training trip to Syracuse). We'll see if Jeffy treats him the way he treats pregnant employees.

Endlessly mocks him and ultimately pays him to go away?



And then fire anyone that acts similarly to him in the future?

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 07:12 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

[BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue [/BLOCKQUOTE] Over uses mascara? Long hair is too high maintenance?

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 07:28 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

industry rumblings is code for "There's no truth to this besides something I heard someone say once"

G-Fafif Jul 31 2019 10:28 AM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Multiple reports say Noah is no longer on the market.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 01:12 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Heyman: 'Doesn't seem like' Edwin Diaz is going to be traded. Rays, Yanx, Astros in on talks for Wheeler Ceetar: Heyman [or insert any other name] is a hack

Centerfield Jul 31 2019 01:20 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I would love to see them call a press conference this afternoon and announce a surprise Wheelie extension. Fuckin A', that'd be awesome. Imagine that. But that doesn't happen for us.

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 01:22 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Heyman IS a hack. I mean, look, "doesn't seem like" is hedging his bets, meaning he knows nothing concrete, but knows spewing opinions about this stuff everywhere is literally his job. Earlier everyone was crediting Sherman for cribbing news from Syndergaard's statements last night. There's been constant talk about Wheeler, the consensus seems to be that there are various teams interested and none have reached the threshold Van Wagenen wants to make it worthwhile. The exact count of teams, at this moment, considering still talking to the Mets is not really news. When one of them makes a decision to go for it, THEN it's interesting.

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 01:23 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I would love to see them call a press conference this afternoon and announce a surprise Wheelie extension. Fuckin A', that'd be awesome. Imagine that. But that doesn't happen for us. I mean, you KNOW the Mets are using this conversation as a good gauge of interest in Wheeler, and what they value him at. Whether or not Wheeler himself thinks himself worth more if he can get some bidding going in the offseason is up to him.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 01:26 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Joel Sherman: Yanx are out on Wheeler Ceets: Sherman is a hack

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 01:31 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

again, true. Like the Yankees can't call Brodie up this very minute and say "You know what, we gotta.."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 31 2019 02:04 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Multiple hacks reporting Mets haven't moved Wheeler, or anyone else and it's 4:04. MFYs also not dealing??

G-Fafif Jul 31 2019 02:05 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Zack >>> hacks

kcmets Jul 31 2019 02:07 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Kinda lol'n at the Yanks inability to trick anyone into helping their rotation.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 02:07 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Wheeler: Not dealt Bumgarner: Not dealt Robbie Ray: Not dealt Pitt reliever Felipe Vazquez: Not dealt

kcmets Jul 31 2019 02:11 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Frayed Knot wrote: Wheeler: Not dealt Bumgarner: Not dealt Robbie Ray: Not dealt Pitt reliever Felipe Vazquez: Not dealt All the experts had Bumgarner gone like all month.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 02:16 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Last minute deals being tossed over the transom Mike Leake (SEA) to the DBacks Sherman (although consider the hack/source): Blue Jay Aaron Sanchez to Astros ANNNNNND ... Zack Greinke to the Astos!!! (Rosenthal - but, you know)

41Forever Jul 31 2019 02:31 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2019 02:31 PM

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I would love to see them call a press conference this afternoon and announce a surprise Wheelie extension. Fuckin A', that'd be awesome. Imagine that. But that doesn't happen for us. Sometimes it does. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_dgC1QregUA/maxresdefault.jpg>

nymr83 Jul 31 2019 02:31 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Greinke deal was true!

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 31 2019 02:32 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Astros traded 4 prospects to AZ for Greinke. It's gonna come down to them vs us for all the marbles I guess

whippoorwill Jul 31 2019 02:45 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Frayed Knot wrote: [BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue [/BLOCKQUOTE] Over uses mascara? Long hair is too high maintenance? I read about his shampoo which he says is expensive. I've seen far worse;

Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2019 02:50 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I'm surprised they did nothing. At least a bullpen arm. It's an impressive starting 5, but after that jeez. Wonder how Stroman will react the first time Familia (or Diaz, or Gsellman, or random Syracuse callup) chunks up a game on him?

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 02:51 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Frayed Knot wrote: [BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue [/BLOCKQUOTE] Over uses mascara? Long hair is too high maintenance? I read about his shampoo which he says is expensive. I've seen far worse; He should use the same stuff I use: $1.99/vat

Ceetar Jul 31 2019 03:02 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

fwiw (almost nothing) Mets bullpen is 8th in ERA in July. Mostly by keeping the IP down it seems.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2019 03:04 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Keeping the bullpen from collapsing by asking less of it. OH DEAR GOD MY PRAYERS ARE WORKING!

Gwreck Jul 31 2019 03:11 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Wow, 8th best? That's not exactly, umm, something to be real proud of.

kcmets Jul 31 2019 03:27 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Overall, haven't the Mets had the best overall pitching in at least the NL if not MLB since the all-star break?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jul 31 2019 03:53 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I wouldn't have complained had they found a way to get something for Frazier; get a CFer who could hit; and add a MLB bullpen arm to replace the Bashlor-Rhame show, but wouldn't it be amazin were the Mets to learn that constantly chasing the hot closer of the moment is a fool errand in and of itself, and that, getting a new guy to protect leads will never take away the leads they already lost. Offense is the best bullpen!

nymr83 Jul 31 2019 04:50 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

=Gwreck post_id=17236 time=1564607471 user_id=56] Wow, 8th best? That's not exactly, umm, something to be real proud of.

8th in baseball or 8th in the NL?



8th in baseball ain't shabby. i'd be THRILLED if they were there for the year.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2019 04:55 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Yeah, Met pitchers have Vultured themselves to the top of the heap in the second half. The key seems to be a very un-2019-ish capacity for keeping the ball in the park. I can only guess how sustainable that may be. MLB PITCHING, SECOND HALF [th]Rk[/th] [th]Team[/th] [th]W[/th] [th]L[/th] [th]W-L%[/th] [th]ERA[/th] [th]G[/th] [th]GS[/th] [th]GF[/th] [th]CG[/th] [th]SHO[/th] [th]SV[/th] [th]IP[/th] [th]H[/th] [th]R[/th] [th]ER[/th] [th]HR[/th] [th]BB[/th] [th]IBB[/th] [th]SO[/th] [th]HBP[/th] [th]BK[/th] [th]BF[/th] [th]WHIP[/th] [th]SO9[/th] [th]SO/W[/th] 1 =#FF8000]SHaMs 11 5 .688 2.75 73 16 15 1 1 5 154.0 127 50 47 14 51 5 155 8 0 629 1.156 9.1 3.04 2 CLE 12 6 .667 2.92 72 18 17 1 1 6 166.2 139 59 54 21 47 1 175 8 1 674 1.116 9.5 3.72 3 HOU 12 6 .667 3.06 74 18 18 0 0 5 161.2 127 67 55 20 50 0 199 3 1 666 1.095 11.1 3.98 4 SFG 13 5 .722 3.58 86 18 18 0 0 5 178.2 159 73 71 25 47 4 190 9 0 728 1.153 9.6 4.04 5 CHC 9 7 .563 3.65 79 16 16 0 0 5 145.1 131 61 59 20 40 2 133 15 0 610 1.177 8.2 3.33 6 LAD 10 7 .588 3.75 73 17 17 0 0 4 151.1 136 78 63 19 53 5 169 8 1 651 1.249 10.1 3.19 7 STL 13 5 .722 4.00 75 18 17 1 1 10 162.0 155 72 72 17 63 4 156 13 1 693 1.346 8.7 2.48 8 WSN 10 8 .556 4.21 78 18 18 0 0 4 158.1 154 77 74 21 60 4 166 5 1 681 1.352 9.4 2.77 9 OAK 11 6 .647 4.30 74 17 17 0 0 4 152.2 149 74 73 22 54 2 118 6 0 650 1.330 7.0 2.19 10 MIN 9 8 .529 4.32 68 17 17 0 0 4 152.0 164 87 73 23 45 0 148 7 0 659 1.375 8.8 3.29 11 SDP 5 12 .294 4.37 70 17 17 0 0 1 150.1 148 77 73 18 61 3 160 3 0 658 1.390 9.6 2.62 12 LAA 11 7 .611 4.39 82 18 18 0 0 4 168.0 167 90 82 19 67 0 163 7 0 723 1.393 8.7 2.43 13 TOR 8 10 .444 4.42 81 18 18 0 0 2 161.0 179 82 79 16 62 2 154 7 0 714 1.497 8.6 2.48 14 ARI 8 9 .471 4.42 71 17 17 0 0 5 148.2 135 79 73 27 45 3 159 2 0 618 1.211 9.6 3.53 15 KCR 10 8 .556 4.47 75 18 17 1 1 9 165.0 180 93 82 21 53 5 151 9 0 723 1.412 8.2 2.85 16 MIA 8 9 .471 4.53 68 17 17 0 0 1 149.0 124 78 75 24 64 2 160 9 0 630 1.262 9.7 2.50 17 PHI 9 7 .563 4.59 75 16 16 0 0 3 151.0 143 87 77 25 65 6 156 12 0 660 1.377 9.3 2.40 18 TBR 9 9 .500 4.78 86 18 18 0 0 7 162.0 158 88 86 28 50 2 176 1 3 687 1.284 9.8 3.52 19 MIL 9 8 .529 4.90 75 17 17 0 0 4 154.1 142 92 84 26 61 3 165 5 0 659 1.315 9.6 2.70 20 ATL 9 8 .529 5.10 73 17 17 0 0 4 150.0 157 90 85 26 72 5 150 5 0 668 1.527 9.0 2.08 21 BOS 10 8 .556 5.11 84 18 18 0 0 3 162.0 168 102 92 27 67 3 183 10 0 721 1.451 10.2 2.73 22 CHW 4 14 .222 5.13 73 18 17 1 0 1 158.0 165 98 90 28 53 0 137 7 0 683 1.380 7.8 2.58 23 PIT 3 15 .167 5.25 75 18 18 0 0 1 156.0 153 107 91 34 63 4 148 10 0 688 1.385 8.5 2.35 24 SEA 8 8 .500 5.27 63 16 15 1 1 3 140.0 144 87 82 31 34 0 123 4 0 592 1.271 7.9 3.62 25 CIN 8 10 .444 5.40 78 18 18 0 0 6 158.1 169 106 95 30 60 1 166 5 1 687 1.446 9.4 2.77 26 BAL 9 9 .500 5.55 77 18 18 0 0 5 165.1 167 111 102 37 61 2 145 10 2 727 1.379 7.9 2.38 27 NYY 10 8 .556 5.60 72 18 18 0 0 4 159.0 180 105 99 37 52 1 169 4 0 704 1.459 9.6 3.25 28 DET 3 15 .167 5.85 82 18 18 0 0 0 160.0 177 110 104 25 55 3 160 6 0 703 1.450 9.0 2.91 29 TEX 5 12 .294 6.07 70 17 17 0 0 1 148.1 162 108 100 33 59 2 157 10 0 668 1.490 9.5 2.66 30 COL 6 13 .316 6.87 78 19 19 0 0 3 165.0 200 132 126 32 64 1 138 7 1 748 1.600 7.5 2.16 TOT 262 262 .500 4.62 2260 524 518 6 5 119 4714.0 4659 2620 2418 746 1678 75 4729 215 12 20302 1.344 9.0 2.82

whippoorwill Jul 31 2019 07:06 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: [BLOCKQUOTE]There are industry rumblings that club officials view Syndergaard's makeup as an issue [/BLOCKQUOTE] Over uses mascara? Long hair is too high maintenance? I read about his shampoo which he says is expensive. I've seen far worse; He should use the same stuff I use: $1.99/vat A vat? That's a good buy!

bmfc1 Jul 31 2019 08:21 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Brodie had two players in mind from STL for Wheeler and the Cardinals wouldn't do it. From The Athletic: [BLOCKQUOTE]But the New York Mets wanted a major league return and the Cardinals didn't think dealing [Harrison] Bader or [Tyler] O'Neill, both under team control for at least another five seasons, was worth about a dozen Wheeler starts plus, if they make it, what he'd give them in the playoffs. Wheeler, like Bumgarner, is a free agent in November if their current teams don't extend their contracts before then. Bader, meanwhile, struggled so badly when he was handed the Cardinals' starting center field job, he was optioned to Triple-A Memphis on Monday. Amazingly, Bader still rates above replacement level, per FanGraphs, despite a .195 batting average and .339 slugging percentage, primarily because he has played elite defense and is a premium baserunner. O'Neill, too, has his warts, primarily a 37.1-percent strikeout rate in 275 big league plate appearances. He also has 14 home runs and 10 doubles in those plate appearances, good for a .469 slugging percentage. He plays good defense and is among the Cardinals' fastest two or three players despite being built like his father, a Mr. Olympia contestant.[/BLOCKQUOTE]

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2019 09:31 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

Bader is one of those 'fun to watch' guys (think young Eric Byrnes) but that helps to cover up that he's not so good sometimes.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2019 10:20 PM Re: Let the Wild, Baseless Speculation Begin

I think of an athletic, fun-to-watch outfielder, who is nonetheless not so good, I think of Tsuyoshi Shinjo.