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Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

G-Fafif Sep 10 2019 10:58 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 10 2019 02:38 PM

Last night, Pete Alonso clinched a title that hadn't been in doubt for months, winning the 2019 championship in the perennial Mets Savers vs. Sluggers battle. Thirty-nine times in 58 seasons, the Mets' leading slugger has had more home runs than the Mets' leading closer has had saves, whereas 18 times, the advantage has gone to the saver. One time it was a tie. Why yes, you can read more about it here.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2019 11:33 AM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

Last night, Pete Alonso clinched a title that hadn't been in doubt for months, winning 2019 championship in the perennial Mets Savers vs. Sluggers battle. Thirty-nine times in 58 seasons, the Mets' leading slugger has had more home runs than the Mets' leading closer has had saves, whereas 18 times, the advantage has gone to the saver. One time it was a tie. Why yes, you can read more about it here. That 1962 Frank Thomas over Craig Anderson record looks unbeatable, at least to me, anyways. For a second, I thought that you personally calculated every retroactive save from before it was made into an official statistic to write that piece and so I said to myself: "No, he didn't (Even though I'm pretty sure he would if he had to - that's dedication)." So I went to BRef to check on this and I saw that BRef has saves stats for the pre-save era. Very enjoyable read. OE: Wait a second. It's not so far-fetched that Alonso might break that Frank Thomas record this year, as you point out. I should've finished the article before I wrote this post, but I hadda go to BRef to check out retroactive saves and got thrown off the pace a bit. If Alonso breaks that record, you gotta use your connections to get that record in next year's Mets media guide.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2019 11:48 AM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=21426 time=1568136815 user_id=68] OE: ... If Alonso breaks that record, you gotta use your connections to get that record in next year's Mets media guide.

But there might not be any more room for a newfangled record at the rate Alonso's hitting and setting new Mets records.

G-Fafif Sep 10 2019 02:26 PM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

Gary Cohen keeps endorsing the idea of an entirely new record book to accommodate Alonso's records. Glad you enjoyed the article. I just added a link to a pretty good SI story from earlier this year on the history of the save: https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/06/04/mariano-rivera-yankees-closers-saves Those firemen we revered in our youth apparently weren't sold on the stat from the start.

G-Fafif Sep 21 2019 07:10 AM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 21 2019 07:16 AM

HR vs SV: Greatest Slugger Advantage 1962: +30 -- Thomas 34 vs Anderson 4 2019: +25 -- ALONSO 50 vs Diaz 25 (through 153 games) 1993: +24 -- Bonilla 34 vs Franco 10 1975: +23 -- Kingman 36 vs Apodaca 13 1976: +18 -- Kingman 37 vs Lockwood 19 1982: +18 -- Kingman 37 vs Allen 19 1999: +18 -- Piazza 40 vs Benitez 22 1965: +16 -- Swoboda 19 vs Ribant 3 1974: +16 -- Milner 20 vs Parker 4 1964: +15 -- Smith 20 vs Hunter 5 1985: +15 -- Carter 32 vs McDowell/Orosco 17

G-Fafif Sep 21 2019 07:16 AM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

SV vs HR: Greatest Saver Advantage 2009: +23 -- Rodriguez 35 vs Murphy 12 2016: +20 -- Familia 51 vs Cespedes 31 2015: +16 -- Familia 43 vs Duda 27 1998: +15 -- Franco 38 vs Piazza 23 1972: +10 -- McGraw 27 vs Milner 17 1994: +10 -- Franco 30 vs Bonilla 20 1977: +8 -- Lockwood 20 vs Henderson/Milner/Stearns 12 2011: +8 -- Rodriguez 23 vs Beltran 15 1995: +7 -- Franco 29 vs Brogna 22 1980: +6 -- Allen 22 vs Mazzilli 16 1997: +6 -- Franco 36 vs Hundley 30

G-Fafif Sep 27 2019 09:19 PM Re: Home Runs vs. Saves (Met Leaders, That Is)

For the first time since 2001, the Mets single-season home run record is greater than the Mets single-season save record: 52 for Alonso in 2019 vs 51 for Familia in 2016.