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Double Switch Aug 27 2019 06:54 PM

Have summer doldrums (not doodlums) slowed the non-baseball side of the board? Maybe. I'll ask some questions and see if anyone wants to share. [list=] Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? [/list] [list] Do you love baseball but the players not so much? [/list] [list] Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I assume a lot of football fans are quite thrilled but that's just me. [/list] For clarification, I detest the month of August above all others, cannot wait for September 3, and am looking forward to all my favorite things soon (except skiing - I had to give that up as too hard on my still-existing joints). Moreover, I am salivating for September 8 when the Autumn basho starts in Tokyo.

Fman99 Aug 27 2019 07:04 PM Re: Questions

I love both summer and fall. Summer in the Syracuse area ends with the New York State Fair, one of my favorite things about living where I do (I was just there today, in fact). I also relish the cooler temperatures which are pleasant for running and cycling.

MFS62 Aug 27 2019 07:08 PM Re: Questions

Entj Not a surprising result. August is the month of our anniversary, and the birthdays of my wife and one of my daughters, so it is expensive. But not terrible. As I get older, I like the warm weather better than when I was younger. But I like the Fall too, now that I pay someone to rake my leaves. Later

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2019 08:38 PM Re: Questions Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2019 10:02 PM

Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? -- Never took it, never heard of it. Do you love baseball but the players not so much? -- While there are and have been individual ballplayers I haven't particularly liked, I've never been one of those fans who disliked players en masse. I've long had a theory about the resentment of baseball fans towards players which, IMO, seems to surpass that of other sports. The fact that baseball existed as THE national sport prior to the huge money of the TV era makes fans tend to resent salaries more. And then that the players only occasionally have the freakishly huge bodies that the NBA & NFL virtually require leads some to see less of a gap between themselves and the guys on their TV screen, almost to the point where they start to imagine that the only reason why that guy you don't like doesn't have HIS butt cheeks velcroed to the recliner while watching YOU roam center field was that he was the winner of some kind of lottery that you somehow didn't know to enter. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I assume a lot of football fans are quite thrilled but that's just me. -- I have some degree of appreciation for all four seasons although am always a bit sad to see summer depart. On the sports front, football isn't even close to a substitute for baseball for me. Football viewing is an occasional diversion for me (often with the sound down to avoid announcers who yell at me) and, unlike many fans who seem to strive to watch EVERY game that's televised, I'll tune in only if/when I'm interested in one or the other team. No baseball for me generally means more time for non-sports viewing things: reading, gym time, catching up on unseen movies, etc.

kcmets Aug 27 2019 08:53 PM Re: Questions

I like all four seasons. I like when it's time to grow things. I like when things grow, except the weeds of course. I like to rake leaves. I like snow.

Double Switch Aug 27 2019 09:32 PM Re: Questions

I shall submit my answers: I(N/S)TJ - I underwent MBTI training twice. The first time I was INTJ while the second time it was ISTJ. However, the INTJ personality assessment is on the mark whereas the ISTJ assessment is not. It's supposedly situational. The first time I did this - early '90s - I was involved with a lot of troubleshooting and problem solving. The second time was a few years later (and they would not let me off the hook by submitting my previous results) for a different position that required a lot more data analyzing so apparently that caused me to skew to the "S." My "I" is not too dominate but I'm off the charts on the T & J. I totally love baseball the game but the players and their antics get on my last nerve. I'll watch duffers play a pickup game and thoroughly enjoy that but usually give up on trying to get through 9 innings of MLB. A few weeks ago I traveled out to Oakland to visit some family and enjoyed a really excellent game of vintage baseball played with 1886 rules. The umpire is "Sir." They play for hands, not outs. The runs are called aces. The pitcher is the hurler and the batter is the striker. Lots of other variations but I have to say it was the best time I've had all summer at the ballpark and will go back for more. Winter is harder to get through now that I've had to give up skiing - my left knee said I either got to ski or walk: take my pick. I picked. Same for golf. Ya gotta know when to velcro your fanny to the sofa. As for the seasons, I live for autumn: best photographing light, sweetest air to breathe, not too cold and no more sweating or trying to breathe air that resembles butterscotch syrup. Guess that's why I get out of town fairly frequently. Better air. I'm glad to learn people no longer get put through work-sponsored team-building exercises and have to be assessed regarding decision-making preferences. So last century.

41Forever Aug 28 2019 06:43 AM Re: Questions Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2019 08:46 AM

Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? I've never taken the Myers-Briggs tests, but we are big on the Clifton Strengths tests. My top five are: Positivity, Achiever, Arranger, Developer and Belief. Do you love baseball but the players not so much? One of the cool parts about my time as a reporter was being able to write an occasional sports feature, and I spent some time with minor league players. The peek behind the curtain game me a greater appreciation for them and what they go through. I haven't booed anyone since then, except Derek Jeter. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I assume a lot of football fans are quite thrilled but that's just me. Favorite seasons, in order: Spring, summer, fall, winter. Spring means emerging from hibernation, everything is new and fresh and full of possibilities. Winter where we live is about a month too long. Not a football fan, though I check the Jets score each week. Going to a game is fun. Saw the Jets and Bears at Soldier Field has year. Went to a bunch of Central Michigan games when my daughter was in the band. I might have a game on the television in the background if I'm doing something else.

MFS62 Aug 28 2019 07:41 AM Re: Questions

Double Switch wrote: I shall submit my answers: I(N/S)TJ - I underwent MBTI training twice. I also took the test twice, several years apart, and was ENTJ both times. I forgot the baseball question. I love the game, including the history and the "back of the baseball cards" - the numbers of the players, but not their personal stories. Later

Lefty Specialist Aug 28 2019 08:22 AM Re: Questions

Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? Don't think I've ever taken one. Do you love baseball but the players not so much? Yes and sometimes. I loved David Wright, detested Bobby Bonilla, love Pete Alonso, detested Mel Rojas. Depends on the player. Most of these guys are millionaires or on the verge of being millionaires. They have a different life than we do, and it's hard to be a nice guy when you've given up a game-losing home run or struck out in a crucial spot. I didn't like John Franco until he knelt down to talk to my 3-year-old about his Winnie-the-Pooh at our hotel after a game in Boston. Said his son had one just like it. (JJ, who kicked around in the minors for years until being released this year). Baseball, the game itself stripped of all the BS, I've always enjoyed. The confrontation between pitcher and batter is fascinating to me. The 10-pitch strikeout battle or the 450-foot home run on a breaking ball that didn't break is awesome. And every year, there are a bunch of guys that get together and try to be better than anyone else. The fact that they've failed in that task 56 out of 58 times doesn't discourage me. I'll be back next year regardless of what they do or don't do this year. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I assume a lot of football fans are quite thrilled but that's just me. Makes me unhappy. I live for the summer. The hotter the better (guess I'll like climate change after all). My wife has a bit of seasonal affected disorder. She dreads June 22nd, because that's when days start getting shorter. She loved going to Iceland last year because it was light until 10:30 PM when we were there. And football season doesn't start until the World Series is over, unless the Yankees are in it in which case the football season starts two weeks earlier for me.

whippoorwill Aug 28 2019 10:44 AM Re: Questions

My niece lives and dies by that test. I think I took it for her but I forget the result Me, I'm an astrology person, and I'm a classic Cancer. Now that I'm waaaaay older than all the players, yes love the sport, meh on the players Totally bummed summers almost over, but still have a trip to the beach planned and I Hope the heck it warms up again by then🌞🌊

Double Switch Aug 28 2019 11:16 AM Re: Questions

=41Forever post_id=20117 time=1566996185 user_id=69] Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? I've never taken the Myers-Briggs tests, but we are big on the Clifton Strengths tests. My top five are: Positivity, Achiever, Arranger, Developer and Belief.

Ahh, so a different sort of tools of self-assessment for the workplace environment. I wonder, now that I'm thoroughly retired, how I'd place, but I have to suspect, since old dogs shun new tricks, it would end up being along the lines I already know I fall but with different descriptors.

Double Switch Aug 28 2019 11:25 AM Re: Questions

My niece lives and dies by that test. I think I took it for her but I forget the result Because my only "knowledge" of you is how you are here, my completely baseless guess would be that your MBTI type is ISFJ. That said, reading about the Cancer personality, I suspect you are a truly delightful person in real life.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2019 11:41 AM Re: Questions

Mine was LFGM

A Boy Named Seo Aug 28 2019 11:50 AM Re: Questions

Frayed Knot wrote: Mine was LFGM ding ding ding ding ding!

Double Switch Aug 28 2019 11:54 AM Re: Questions

Frayed Knot wrote: Mine was LFGM Different test.

Ceetar Aug 28 2019 12:01 PM Re: Questions

Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? I think so. I don't recall. I'm introverted for sure. Do you love baseball but the players not so much? Not really. I mean, in the sense that most players are toxic masculinity drenched, rich, republican Jesus freaks to some degree, yes. But as players themselves, as actors on the field. It's cool, especially the ones that show some personality. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I assume a lot of football fans are quite thrilled but that's just me. Trick question. September may be the worst month. It's still mostly warm/hot, there's some teasing of nice days and the nights are nicer, but it's still sticky, buggy, and unpleasant, but everyone's back at work, the traffic picks up, and a lot of the fun summer stuff that'd I struggle to fit in closes up. Plus this year i'm full of Kindergarten starting anxiety. yay! But fall is the best and apple picking and apple spice and apple cider and donuts and oktoberfest and fresh hopped beers and maybe an attempt to ferment a yeast from the acorns in my back yard and brew a beer with it and ..mmm..

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2019 12:05 PM Re: Questions

Double Switch wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Mine was LFGM Different test. Yeah, I think I may have wandered into the wrong room when assigned to take the test. I was wondering why the proctors looked so much like peanut vendors.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2019 01:48 PM Re: Questions

Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? yes, at various company "retreats". It's a total crock with no legitimate scientific basis. my outcomes were different each time. Once i was a INTP, once i was ISTJ. This is not surprising since the test is based on Jungian pseudoscience, like assessing personality based on your zodiac sign. Do you love baseball but the players not so much? sometimes l love the players MORE than the game. Depends on the last game i saw. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I think people often have a nostalgic attraction to summer (as the time of childhood when we didn't have to go to school and could just play all day), but once you are in the working world, it loses its appeal. I can't stand heat and so prefer autumn and spring (i even prefer winter). I have been told i have a reverse "seasonal affective disorder" where my depression cycles higher during the summer (instead of winter). But that diagnosis was probably arrived at based on a Myers-Briggs test, so i give it no credence.

whippoorwill Aug 28 2019 02:06 PM Re: Questions

Double Switch wrote: My niece lives and dies by that test. I think I took it for her but I forget the result Because my only "knowledge" of you is how you are here, my completely baseless guess would be that your MBTI type is ISFJ. That said, reading about the Cancer personality, I suspect you are a truly delightful person in real life. Aw how sweet! I am definitely moody, sensitive, creative, and as these guys can attest, if I've had too much Red Cat, I can absolutely lash out (fortunately I've gotten that more under control) FK: LFGM ...lol!

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2019 02:14 PM Re: Questions

Lefty Specialist wrote: And football season doesn't start until the World Series is over ... This is where football watching is at for me as well. For every other sport it's deemed perfectly acceptable, if not almost mandatory, to say that you don't watch from the very beginning. Baseball is often labeled as disposable because, 'It's only April' (or only May, or even 'only July'); basketball doesn't even start for many folks until Christmas or even until after New Years; while 'I never watch hockey except for the playoffs' is almost a cliche. But picking up football halfway through is often treated as a sign of mental instability, as if the thought of choosing not to watch a game simply because it's on is not even an option. I, on the other hand, am perfectly content to wade in during the final eight or so weeks of the season plus the month of playoff action.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2019 02:33 PM Re: Questions

baseball = 162 basketball/hockey = 82 football = 16 with only a few games (particularly compared to other sports), each game takes on greater meaning and significance for your team. Your season can be over by the 4th game. Hell, i remember many Jets seasons that were over before they started. you can miss a whole month of baseball and still have 130+ games to see. basketball/hockey? 60 more games, don't worry. Football. 12. 12 games left. Or maybe 11. If you can't give 16 days to a sport, spread from September to January, you're really not that interested in it.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2019 03:30 PM Re: Questions

Vic Sage wrote: If you can't give 16 days to a sport, spread from September to January, you're really not that interested in it. I'm not. Football is a part-time diversion for me; not a passion, not a lifestyle.

dinosaur jesus Aug 28 2019 10:57 PM Re: Question

I've taken the Myers-Briggs. I don't recall the results, but I just took one online. INFP, which I think means neither here nor there, but not real happy about it either way. I've never really thought about whether or not I like baseball players. In general I guess I like them fine—they play baseball, and I'm grateful for that because I like baseball. Whether I like them personally is a pretty hypothetical question, like whether I'd get along with Shakespeare or Charlemagne or Marie Curie. I do have likes and dislikes, but they're often based on the kind of player they are more than the type of person. I love John Olerud, for instance—his being so boring was my favorite thing about him—but I wouldn't look forward to meeting him. Bless ‘em all. Early fall is the best. Mild days, cool nights. Sweater weather. It feels nicer, it even smells nicer, and things seem possible that just weren't when it was so damn hot.

Lefty Specialist Aug 29 2019 05:54 AM Re: Questions

Frayed Knot wrote: Vic Sage wrote: If you can't give 16 days to a sport, spread from September to January, you're really not that interested in it. I'm not. Football is a part-time diversion for me; not a passion, not a lifestyle. Exactly where I am. I live and die all 162 baseball games. Being a Jets fan, but not a Jets FANATIC, I can watch them out of the corner of my eye for the first few weeks. If they're done by then (they often are), well, I move on and count the days until pitchers and catchers.

Double Switch Aug 29 2019 01:33 PM Re: Questions

Vic Sage wrote: Have you ever taken Myers-Briggs Type Indicator tests? Were you surprised or not at the outcome? Do you care to share your 4-letter type? yes, at various company "retreats". It's a total crock with no legitimate scientific basis. my outcomes were different each time. Once i was a INTP, once i was ISTJ. This is not surprising since the test is based on Jungian pseudoscience, like assessing personality based on your zodiac sign. Is the fact that "summer" - which comprises the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day - being nearly over make you happy or unhappy? I think people often have a nostalgic attraction to summer (as the time of childhood when we didn't have to go to school and could just play all day), but once you are in the working world, it loses its appeal. I can't stand heat and so prefer autumn and spring (i even prefer winter). I have been told i have a reverse "seasonal affective disorder" where my depression cycles higher during the summer (instead of winter). But that diagnosis was probably arrived at based on a Myers-Briggs test, so i give it no credence. If your results were wildly skewed, it could be that you were not amused to be involved in the process and therefore answered in a manner meant to skew the results. You would not be the first one to game to process. I don't know how deeply an online version of the "test" goes but assume it would be in the realm of "MBTI-lite." These workshops always took two days so whatever an online version might have, it's surely not equal to two days of enduring blather and "break-out sessions." I'm not skeptical of Jungian concepts of thinking, feeling, sensation, and intuition, but I prefer basing decisions on thought, empirical evidence, and judgment, not on what the "gut" says. Intuitive, in MBTI, means global thinking, not wishful thinking. These things, just as 41f's Clifford Strengths, are meant as tools, not immutable rules. Take from them whatever is useful, even if you could have accomplished far more useful work during the time that instead was blown on nebulous team-building exercises. I fully agree regarding a notion of reverse SAD. I also enjoy the longer hours of darkness as autumn approaches and look forward to dumping ludicrous DST in November. If it never were reinvoked a few short months later, I would rejoice. I prefer drinking my wine on my deck looking at the moon, not being baked by late-day sun.

seawolf17 Aug 29 2019 01:54 PM Re: Questions

I'm a fan of the MBTI, but I think like anything of that ilk, you need to process it in the right way. It's not as cut-and-dried as, say, which Hogwarts house you're in. That's immutable. But the MBTI can be instructive in group environments to help reach the understanding that we don't all receive information the same way, we don't process it the same way, etc. I haven't watched a non-Super Bowl (or non-Stony Brook) football game in years. I didn't even make it to a single Brockport game this fall, and we were undefeated. I'm the defending champ of our office fantasy league, but I have no idea what I'm doing. Football, I think, is more damage than it's worth, and I wouldn't be upset at all if it was out of my life entirely.

Vic Sage Aug 29 2019 03:26 PM Re: Questions

If your results were wildly skewed, it could be that you were not amused to be involved in the process and therefore answered in a manner meant to skew the results. You would not be the first one to game to process. i gamed nothing. I had no feelings about the test, one way or another, until after i'd taken the second one, as part of a day-long series of exercises for our staff retreat, and come to the conclusion that it was preposterous. So i looked into it and was disgusted by what i saw. No one is binary this OR that. I rely on intuition AND sensation, just like everybody else on the planet. The test assumes a bunch of dichotomies for which there is little evidence. As to which preference i'm "more" of, that depends on the day i'm asked the questions (the weather, what i had for breakfast, the quality of my commute, the sleep i had the night before, etc). In any event, the test is more interested in the direction of a preference (e.g., extroversion/introversion) than the DEGREE of the preference, which one would think to be a necessary factor to measure. The tool lacks credible evidence of utility, validity and objectivity and the only scientific support for it is published by the company that promotes it, like politicians who rely on data about climate change generated by the fossil fuel industry to support their climate-denying agenda. Judging personality with this tool is akin to using a fortune cookie; the doctrinaire validation of the test is like a cult, like Amway salesmen so invested in their ritualistic process, they can't see its all just a pyramid scheme. The notion that people (particularly HR depts) still put ANY stock in this nonsense astounds me.

Vic Sage Aug 29 2019 03:33 PM Re: Questions

it's like those who believe in "clutch hitting" as a personality trait, in the face of all data to the contrary. It seems intuitively correct, because we know that people deal with pressure situations differently, but it ignores the fact that, while its true, it also may have little effect on the outcome. If it was a character trait or a particular skill, it would be demonstrably and consistently repeatable by those who had it. But its not. Its just not. However you define "high leverage" situations, the results are up and down, with standard random distributions based on sample sizes. But some people still pray at that altar. whatever, dudes.

Double Switch Aug 29 2019 05:01 PM Re: Questions

Vic Sage wrote: it's like those who believe in "clutch hitting" as a personality trait, in the face of all data to the contrary. It seems intuitively correct, because we know that people deal with pressure situations differently, but it ignores the fact that, while its true, it also may have little effect on the outcome. If it was a character trait or a particular skill, it would be demonstrably and consistently repeatable by those who had it. But its not. Its just not. However you define "high leverage" situations, the results are up and down, with standard random distributions based on sample sizes. But some people still pray at that altar. whatever, dudes. Clearly this is a red-hot button for you but - MBTI retreats are not at all the same thing as worshiping the concept of "clutch hitting," a myth if ever there were. For every clutch hit, there is out #3 with men LOB. It's a wondrous thing that you know yourself so well. Others may not be as perspicacious and might appreciate clues that may be of zero value to you but can be a useful nudge to someone else. Indicators are not laws. As well, these retreats were not something employees asked for. Management bought the "scheme" that they could be beneficial. A para-business industry. MBTI is designed to point out to the individual how their personal decision-making process works. It's not a "personality" test. That's for Scientologists to tout. I'll leave you alone now as I don't need to be "that guy" who kicks the hornet's nest.

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2019 06:06 PM Re: Questions

I'm afraid Vic's just not Jung at heart. I apologize for that horrid pun and hereby sentence myself to a 20 minute ban from the CPF

MFS62 Aug 29 2019 06:46 PM Re: Questions

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm afraid Vic's just not Jung at heart. I apologize for that horrid pun and hereby sentence myself to a 20 minute ban from the CPF Groan. Only 20 minutes? Later

Double Switch Aug 29 2019 06:55 PM Re: Questions

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm afraid Vic's just not Jung at heart. I apologize for that horrid pun and hereby sentence myself to a 20 minute ban from the CPF Groan. Only 20 minutes? Au contraire. I believe 20 minutes is utterly sufficient punishment (yes, I know what I did there).

MFS62 Aug 29 2019 06:56 PM Re: Questions

Et Tu, DS? LOL! Later

Double Switch Aug 29 2019 07:23 PM Re: Questions

=MFS62 post_id=20296 time=1567126617 user_id=60] Et Tu, DS? LOL!

Clearly empirical evidence, alas.

LWFS Sep 01 2019 09:23 AM Re: Questions

ENTJ, INTF, IDFK. I get no kick from this sham pain. Re: players? I mean, I don't think I'd want to hang with most of these guys after a game. Buuuut... one of the benefits of Twitter is that it does allow you to identify/enjoy the ones whose public personas you actually do like (Brandon McCarthy, Thor, Trevor Williams, Chris Archer). It's nice to see some absurdist humor or weirdly-specific restaurant recommendations out of your fifth starter. Like, I'd have loved to "follow" Bill Lee, y'know? As I slouch into middle age, I prefer the middle temps more and more. On that note, a warm September is, like, the absolute BEST month (Ceetar/LWFS climate similarity score: 8 %). Between that and the fact that it means that increasingly-sizable-and-loud YoungerPooper gets into a classrom and OUT MY DAMN HOUSE, the end of summer makes me happyish. The caveat is that it's been an uncommonly pleasant August this go-round, climate-wise, so I'm not exactly ecstatic to see it go.

MFS62 Sep 01 2019 09:28 AM Re: Questions

=LWFS post_id=20517 time=1567351389 user_id=84] I get no kick from this sham pain.

Nicely done.

Later