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nymr83 Sep 12 2019 07:21 AM

\[url]https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa-tells-california-governor-college-athlete-fair-pay-bill-is-unconstitutional Pretty rare that I find myself agreeing with California Democrats, but go fuck yourselves NCAA. I completely get why the NCAA can't pay players - Title IX and other laws would lead to endless lawsuits from players whose sports are LOSING money asking to get compensated the same as the football players. this would not be tenable. But why the heck shouldnt the athletes be able to profit off their own names from endorsements? it makes no sense and it had nothing to do with the schools - they can even ban the kids from using the school's facilities etc to do it, but if Zion wants his face on a cereal box where is the argument against that? Joe Shmoe Biology major who is receiving an academic scholarship and doesnt play sports can go make money however he wants, so why not them? the NCAA is a joke.

Ceetar Sep 12 2019 07:39 AM Re: College Sports

there's no reason NCAA can't pay players.

nymr83 Sep 12 2019 07:44 AM Re: College Sports

=Ceetar post_id=21674 time=1568295545 user_id=102] there's no reason NCAA can't pay players.

90% of sports lose money for the school. If they could pay only the profitable ones I would be all for it, but they'd get sued right and left.

Ceetar Sep 12 2019 08:07 AM Re: College Sports

no they wouldn't. it's simple, if you make a billion dollars from one of your students, that student deserves to be paid. If you can hire a 10 million dollar coach for a team, that team should be getting paid too. I don't get to sue my company because my friend at Apple is earning more.

metsmarathon Sep 12 2019 09:26 AM Re: College Sports

if a school gets a big ass research grant, how much do the phd students who are working on it make? that would be the more apt comparison.

Ceetar Sep 12 2019 09:42 AM Re: College Sports

PhD student is a paid position. They're literally paying them for the contribution they're making. If a school gets a grant, presumably they hire people to work on that grant. with money.

LWFS Sep 12 2019 10:24 AM Re: College Sports

PhD student is arguably the worst-compensated position for value provided this side of teachers.

metsmarathon Sep 12 2019 11:15 AM Re: College Sports

is the pay generally flat across the departments? like, does the sociology phd student get paid the same as the physics student?

LWFS Sep 12 2019 11:23 AM Re: College Sports

I think there's some variance, but the bigger variable is what sort of compensatory work you're doing-- research assistance vs. teaching assistance (and if you're lucky enough to secure a rare fellowship). Where area of study tends to matter most is in number of research opportunities (better funded fields get more research dollars, natch).

41Forever Sep 12 2019 03:42 PM Re: College Sports

My daughter is in a master's program. She gets a scholarship and a stipend to work with the Student Life department as part of her time there. I know athletes get scholarships that cover everything, but I don't think they can get a stipend under the current NCAA rules.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2019 04:04 PM Re: College Sports

Let's get this straight, colleges CAN pay their athletes but they can't do so AND maintain the corrupt and quasi-amateur system as it currently exists. It's like the dream I have where I sell burgers that would be better AND cheaper than McDonalds, but if my slave labor force suddenly wanted something weird like, oh I dunno, maybe a salary, then my whole "business plan" kind of falls apart. The second problem is that the NCAA wants to pretend that they're some sort of benevolent society built around student athletics by controlling ALL sports across ALL colleges. But only two sports actually make any money and even those two only make money at a handful of schools. The ones that do make a fucking mint but they are the distinct minority. If pay were permitted then the NCAA couldn't afford it meaning the money makers would leave the NCAA in the time it takes to SAY N-C-A-A and then guess who isn't getting a cut of the loot while getting to stay at five-star hotel rooms with parties and hookers during big events? The sooner the whole 'amateur when it serves our purpose and professional when THAT serves our purpose' model of college sports falls apart the better. This move is a nice first step but it's about 1% as far as it needs to go and about a half century too late to boot. But at least it will have two positive outcomes: 1) it will force California schools (and, by extension, the PAC conference) to come up with a plan on their own since the law won't go into effect for several years yet. 2) it will force other states/conferences to react for fear of all the best players choosing California schools where they can at least be LESS of a slave for fat old guys who care far too much about the athletic exploits of teenagers to whom they're not related going to schools they themselves didn't go to. I hate to be so wishy-washy on the subject but this is just all off the top of my head.

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2019 08:03 PM Re: College Sports

More college sports follies (from the NYT today): So it seems that Alabama football coach Nick Saban gets peeved regularly if/when the student section of the football stands empty out early during frequent Crimson Tide blowouts, a condition which happens often particularly early in the season when it: a) tends to be HOT in the deep south, and b) when Saban purposely schedules blowouts against the likes of N Mex State (62-10 last week) and The Citadel (next week). So 'Bama is looking into offering bonuses, in the form of future ticket priorities, for students who stay through the 4th quarter. But they are planning on knowing who the students are by tracking their locations via their phones. So Big Brother is watching you and deciding whether or not you're worthy of attending future games. And if you do choose to leave I'm sure they know plenty of boo$ter$ who will pay more for that ticket than you do and even can do. “Everybody wants to be the beast, but they don't want to do what the beast do,” Saban said afterward. “So everybody's got to make a sacrifice. I mean, you want to be the lion?” They'd all say we want to be No. 1. But are they willing to do everything to be No. 1? That's another question. Ask them that. I don't know the answer.” Fuck you Saban and fuck you to the college administrators to whom you (supposedly) report!

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2019 08:03 PM Re: College Sports

More college sports follies (from the NYT today): So it seems that Alabama football coach Nick Saban gets peeved regularly if/when the student section of the football stands empty out early during frequent Crimson Tide blowouts, a condition which happens often particularly early in the season when it: a) tends to be HOT in the deep south, and b) when Saban purposely schedules blowouts against the likes of N Mex State (last week) and The Citadel (next week). So 'Bama is looking into offering bonuses, in the form of future ticket priorities, for students who stay through the 4th quarter. But they are planning on knowing who the students are by tracking the locations of their phones. So Big Brother is watching you and deciding whether or not you're worthy of attending future games. And if you do choose to leave I'm sure they know plenty of boo$ter$ who will pay more for that ticket than you do and even can do. Fuck you Saban!

ashie62 Sep 14 2019 01:24 PM Re: College Sports

Be the 1st frat to have a pledge carry 50 cell phones in 100 degree heat against Furman until the end of the 4th quarter

Lefty Specialist Sep 15 2019 02:42 PM Re: College Sports

Colleges have always contended that athletes are getting paid through room and board and a ‘free' education .

Frayed Knot Sep 15 2019 03:58 PM Re: College Sports

And that free R & B & Education continues right up until the point where the player either screws up his knee or when the coach just up and finds hisself a younger & better version of you and then there goes your scholarship. So now not only are you off the team but now that you're not on the team the school suddenly decides that your academics aren't good enough for them to want you in the classroom either. The NCAA and its member schools want these sports and these athletes treated as professionals when that serves their purpose and like amateurs when that serves their purpose - as do many of the fans, boosters, and the press who supposedly cover college sports but in reality spend most of their time cheerleading for it instead. The old-time boxing writers who ignored the damage being done to fighters while giving a pass to the promoters because they were so quotable and 'colorful' were only a small cut below the crowd fawning over big-time college sports and the cult-of-personality coaches these days.

ashie62 Nov 11 2019 07:15 PM Re: College Sports

I believe Ohio State sets the record for the largest point spread known in D1 anyway Laying 51 to Rutgers at home Like OSU 78-0 They "could' let up as Ash was one of their own. Then again, if Schiano is hired by gametime run it up!!!

whippoorwill Nov 12 2019 08:38 AM Re: College Sports

=Ceetar post_id=21674 time=1568295545 user_id=102] there's no reason NCAA can't pay players.

I don't agree



But how about this for suckitude



My husband told me about a player that borrowed money from a friend to buy his girlfriend a plane ticket to watch him play an away game, paid the money back before the game, but was ruled ineligible

RealityChuck Nov 12 2019 07:35 PM Re: College Sports

Since most sports are lucky to break even, I don't think it makes much sense to take money away from education to pay players salaries (a college, after is, is about education, not sports). Only football and basketball make enough money to pay, and only in a small number of schools. I work at a Division I basketball college, and they can't afford to pay athletes. A further drawback is that the colleges that can afford to pay will automatically have an advantage in recruiting. I do think, however, that if a college sells merchandise with the player's name or likeness, he or she should get a royalty.

LWFS Nov 12 2019 08:13 PM Re: College Sports

Players should also be able to market their own name/likeness. Or, y'know, work. The "they get a scholarship" argument is a canard. Most big-sport athletes are brought in as meat, whose first job is to provide financial sustenance to the university via athletic performance. In most cases, they're expected to commit the overwhelming majority of their time/energy to that effort. They aren't earning degrees, or developing their brains or resumes. They're getting rubber stamps that serve them about as well as the university does. That some of the more prepared number of these manage to wring a productive degree out of their time on-campus doesn't change the fact that the above is true for most of their peers.

Ceetar Nov 13 2019 07:28 AM Re: College Sports

=RealityChuck post_id=26416 time=1573612546 user_id=82] Since most sports are lucky to break even, I don't think it makes much sense to take money away from education to pay players salaries (a college, after is, is about education, not sports). Only football and basketball make enough money to pay, and only in a small number of schools. I work at a Division I basketball college, and they can't afford to pay athletes. A further drawback is that the colleges that can afford to pay will automatically have an advantage in recruiting. I do think, however, that if a college sells merchandise with the player's name or likeness, he or she should get a royalty.

Sure, and the programmers from India generally make less than the ones at Google.



There are a zillion ways to address competitive balance afterwards. But if a business is using free labor to make crazy sums of money, the labor should be paid. it's not really complicated.