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batmagadanleadoff
Sep 21 2019 06:54 AM

I don't hear much, or any, really, talk at all about the Mets rookie record for most runs scored in a single season. Pete's got 95. Jose Reyes scored 99 runs in 2005, but was 2005 Reyes's rookie season? Reyes played some in '03 and '04. If 99 ain't the record, then it's Pete's. Otherwise, Pete needs four to tie and five to set.

Edgy MD
Sep 21 2019 07:19 AM
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It's not even really close. The record, if you can believe it, belonged to Cleon Jones, with 74 in 1966.



If you imagine the Mets' 1981 strike year stretched out to a full season, you can project Mookie Wilson with 77 runs scored, but even then, not close.

G-Fafif
Sep 21 2019 07:27 AM
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Reyes's rookie season was 2003. He showed up in the ROY voting, along with Ty Wigginton.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 21 2019 07:32 AM
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I kinda figured that. He had about 300 PAs in 2003. I was playing it safe. But it makes sense. If Alonso was closing in on the record, there'd be chatter. I probably missed the game, or part of the game where Alonso broke the record.

G-Fafif
Sep 21 2019 07:54 AM
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Runs scored is one of those stats that disappeared from leading indicators for decades, then regained favor when the analytically inclined noted scoring runs is kind of what it's all about. Yet if there was a murmur over Alonso setting that particular record, it was fairly muted.

Frayed Knot
Sep 21 2019 01:07 PM
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I always found it funny that RBIs were long treated as paramount among stats while runs scored went virtually ignored even as it was essentially just the other half of the same coin.



It was as if (and some DID explain it this way, in various forms anyway) RBIs were something a player did at the right time (Clutchness!!) while runs scored was more a passive thing which happened to you.

iow, except for hitting a HR, you couldn't have scored unless someone did the hard part (drove you in). Yet the same logic applies where, again except for HRs, you get no Ribbies unless some guy(s) was

nice enough to get on base ahead of you.

A classic example comes from the mid-80s Yanx: Does Mattingly have all those RBIs without Rickey on base alla time in front of him, or did Rickey rack up all those runs scored as a benefit of hitting in front

of Donnie Baseball? The answer is, of course: Yes!



Still, it was decades later when Francesa, while touting Hidecki Matsui as not only a good hitter but also a 'clutch' one, naturally cited Godzilla's RBI numbers as proof. Left unmentioned was that, while Matsui

was obviously a terrific hitter, the fact that, during his first three seasons over on this side of the Pacific, he ranked 1st, 2nd, and then 1st again in the number of runners on base when he stepped up to the plate.

Ya think that MIGHT have had something to do with his perceived clutchability factor?

Edgy MD
Sep 21 2019 03:18 PM
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The record-breaking moment occurred Thursday evening, August 15, at SunTrust Park in Cobb County, outside Atlanta. Alonso strode to the plate in the first inning, with no outs and Amed Rosario and Joe Panik having started off the game nicely with a double and a single. One-time star Julio Teheran was on his heels, but he couldn't find enough youth in his fastball. He made his 0-1 offering to Alonso and his face fell almost upon the release, as Alonso crushed the ball to deep straightaway center, so far beyond the centerfield wall that Atlanta centerfielder Ender Inciarte made only the most symbolic gesture of pursuit.



As Rosario and Panik scored, Alonso accepted a congratulatory butt-slap from third-base coach Glenn Sherlock as he turned toward home in time to see his teammates streaming out of the dugout to meet him at the plate. Players, coaches, and trainers all wanted a piece of this historic occasion, and to salute Alonso for breaking a record many thought un-breakable. And then, the sea of Metropolitans parted. But rather than Moses, it was Cleon Jones stepping into the gap, wearing a convincing replica of his 1966 Mets road jersey, and doing a pretty good job filling it out despite his 77 summers.



Alonso smiled like a little boy as he crossed the plate, hugging the Mets legend like a long-lost great uncle. Tears filled the young firstbaseman's eyes as the two shook hands and Jones pointed the rookie toward the awaiting photographer pool. Flashes exploded as the SunTrust crowd, in no mood to root for enemy, nonetheless realized how fortunate they were to witness such history, and rose to their feet as one. SunTrust grounds crew members began prying up home plate to send home with Pete to add to a quickly growing collection of milestone memorabilia, as ballpark organist Matthew Kaminski cycled through a medley of tribute songs: "Peter Piper," "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead," "Peter Gunn's Theme." Braves manager Brian Snitker placed the plate in Pete's hand along with a check from the home team for Pete's favorite charity, The Tunnels to Towers Foundation, which raises money for families of first responders.



As much as time seemed to stand still, the game had to continue, so his teammates led the young hero back to the dugout, with even the Braves defenders still on the field clapping. Teheran tried to quickly regain his composure while staring in at Michael Conforto, when one more roar rose up out of the SunTrust crowd, as the crowd cried out for a curtain call from the visiting colossus. An embarrassed Alonso demurred as he sought to catch his breath by the water cooler. But Mets catcher Wilson Ramos would have none of it, wrapping his muscular arms around the rookie and playfully dragging him up the dugout steps. "Ahora puedo decir que he visto a un búfalo luchar con un oso polar!" laughed Juan Alicea, announcing on ESPN Deportes Nueva York, "Now I can say I've seen a buffalo wrestle a polar bear!"



Alonso tipped his cap, took a moment to take it all in, his eyes scanning the crowd, suddenly spotting his tearful parents, Peter and Michelle Alonso, accepting congratulations from the SunTrust denizens around them. Pete exhaled and tossed his hat to a cheering boy behind the dugout. And rather than fight him for it, all those around the lucky young fan congratulated him with slaps on the back.



Talking to Justine Ward in the next half inning, Cleon Jones talked about how important it was to be there at this particular moment. "I drove up 65 from Mobile," the Alabama native said, "and then I spent the night with a friend in Montgomery before getting an early start this morning down 85 into Atlanta. Everybody's been great, and Pete's everything you want to see in a ballplayer wearing your old uniform. I was fortunate enough to have a pretty good career, and I even set a few records along the way. This — THIS — was the record I was most proud of. But I'm an old man. My legacy is secure, and this is just one more thing you can't take with you. So it's truly an honor to pass this one on to Piss-Mi- ... — to Peter Alonso."



That's how I remember it, anyhow.

ashie62
Sep 21 2019 05:32 PM
Re: Another Alonso Mets Rookie Record

Don't get it



What record did Cleon hold?

G-Fafif
Sep 21 2019 05:54 PM
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Sometimes the thread has the answer you seek.

kcmets
Sep 21 2019 06:20 PM
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The answer you seek, sometimes the thread has.

Willets Point
Sep 21 2019 08:43 PM
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I want to live in Edgy's world.

Edgy MD
Sep 22 2019 12:02 PM
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I'm just curious about how "Peter Piper" would sound when rendered on a ballpark organ.

Willets Point
Sep 22 2019 06:58 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

I'm just curious about how "Peter Piper" would sound when rendered on a ballpark organ.


Is it the RUN-DMC song or some other song titled "Peter Piper?"

Edgy MD
Sep 22 2019 07:43 PM
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I imagine there is some other song with that title, but I was thinking of RUN-DMC.

Fman99
Sep 23 2019 08:46 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:

The record-breaking moment occurred Thursday evening, August 15, at SunTrust Park in Cobb County, outside Atlanta. Alonso strode to the plate in the first inning, with no outs and Amed Rosario and Joe Panik having started off the game nicely with a double and a single. One-time star Julio Teheran was on his heels, but he couldn't find enough youth in his fastball. He made his 0-1 offering to Alonso and his face fell almost upon the release, as Alonso crushed the ball to deep straightaway center, so far beyond the centerfield wall that Atlanta centerfielder Ender Inciarte made only the most symbolic gesture of pursuit.



As Rosario and Panik scored, Alonso accepted a congratulatory butt-slap from third-base coach Glenn Sherlock as he turned toward home in time to see his teammates streaming out of the dugout to meet him at the plate. Players, coaches, and trainers all wanted a piece of this historic occasion, and to salute Alonso for breaking a record many thought un-breakable. And then, the sea of Metropolitans parted. But rather than Moses, it was Cleon Jones stepping into the gap, wearing a convincing replica of his 1966 Mets road jersey, and doing a pretty good job filling it out despite his 77 summers.



Alonso smiled like a little boy as he crossed the plate, hugging the Mets legend like a long-lost great uncle. Tears filled the young firstbaseman's eyes as the two shook hands and Jones pointed the rookie toward the awaiting photographer pool. Flashes exploded as the SunTrust crowd, in no mood to root for enemy, nonetheless realized how fortunate they were to witness such history, and rose to their feet as one. SunTrust grounds crew members began prying up home plate to send home with Pete to add to a quickly growing collection of milestone memorabilia, as ballpark organist Matthew Kaminski cycled through a medley of tribute songs: "Peter Piper," "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead," "Peter Gunn's Theme." Braves manager Brian Snitker placed the plate in Pete's hand along with a check from the home team for Pete's favorite charity, The Tunnels to Towers Foundation, which raises money for families of first responders.



As much as time seemed to stand still, the game had to continue, so his teammates led the young hero back to the dugout, with even the Braves defenders still on the field clapping. Teheran tried to quickly regain his composure while staring in at Michael Conforto, when one more roar rose up out of the SunTrust crowd, as the crowd cried out for a curtain call from the visiting colossus. An embarrassed Alonso demurred as he sought to catch his breath by the water cooler. But Mets catcher Wilson Ramos would have none of it, wrapping his muscular arms around the rookie and playfully dragging him up the dugout steps. "Ahora puedo decir que he visto a un búfalo luchar con un oso polar!" laughed Juan Alicea, announcing on ESPN Deportes Nueva York, "Now I can say I've seen a buffalo wrestle a polar bear!"



Alonso tipped his cap, took a moment to take it all in, his eyes scanning the crowd, suddenly spotting his tearful parents, Peter and Michelle Alonso, accepting congratulations from the SunTrust denizens around them. Pete exhaled and tossed his hat to a cheering boy behind the dugout. And rather than fight him for it, all those around the lucky young fan congratulated him with slaps on the back.



Talking to Justine Ward in the next half inning, Cleon Jones talked about how important it was to be there at this particular moment. "I drove up 65 from Mobile," the Alabama native said, "and then I spent the night with a friend in Montgomery before getting an early start this morning down 85 into Atlanta. Everybody's been great, and Pete's everything you want to see in a ballplayer wearing your old uniform. I was fortunate enough to have a pretty good career, and I even set a few records along the way. This — THIS — was the record I was most proud of. But I'm an old man. My legacy is secure, and this is just one more thing you can't take with you. So it's truly an honor to pass this one on to Piss-Mi- ... — to Peter Alonso."



That's how I remember it, anyhow.


I read this and then decided any career you picked besides writing about baseball was a shameful waste of talent.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Sep 23 2019 10:33 AM
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lollllollol

dinosaur jesus
Sep 23 2019 01:36 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

The record-breaking moment occurred Thursday evening, August 15, at SunTrust Park in Cobb County, outside Atlanta. Alonso strode to the plate in the first inning, with no outs and Amed Rosario and Joe Panik having started off the game nicely with a double and a single. One-time star Julio Teheran was on his heels, but he couldn't find enough youth in his fastball. He made his 0-1 offering to Alonso and his face fell almost upon the release, as Alonso crushed the ball to deep straightaway center, so far beyond the centerfield wall that Atlanta centerfielder Ender Inciarte made only the most symbolic gesture of pursuit.



As Rosario and Panik scored, Alonso accepted a congratulatory butt-slap from third-base coach Glenn Sherlock as he turned toward home in time to see his teammates streaming out of the dugout to meet him at the plate. Players, coaches, and trainers all wanted a piece of this historic occasion, and to salute Alonso for breaking a record many thought un-breakable. And then, the sea of Metropolitans parted. But rather than Moses, it was Cleon Jones stepping into the gap, wearing a convincing replica of his 1966 Mets road jersey, and doing a pretty good job filling it out despite his 77 summers.



Alonso smiled like a little boy as he crossed the plate, hugging the Mets legend like a long-lost great uncle. Tears filled the young firstbaseman's eyes as the two shook hands and Jones pointed the rookie toward the awaiting photographer pool. Flashes exploded as the SunTrust crowd, in no mood to root for enemy, nonetheless realized how fortunate they were to witness such history, and rose to their feet as one. SunTrust grounds crew members began prying up home plate to send home with Pete to add to a quickly growing collection of milestone memorabilia, as ballpark organist Matthew Kaminski cycled through a medley of tribute songs: "Peter Piper," "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead," "Peter Gunn's Theme." Braves manager Brian Snitker placed the plate in Pete's hand along with a check from the home team for Pete's favorite charity, The Tunnels to Towers Foundation, which raises money for families of first responders.



As much as time seemed to stand still, the game had to continue, so his teammates led the young hero back to the dugout, with even the Braves defenders still on the field clapping. Teheran tried to quickly regain his composure while staring in at Michael Conforto, when one more roar rose up out of the SunTrust crowd, as the crowd cried out for a curtain call from the visiting colossus. An embarrassed Alonso demurred as he sought to catch his breath by the water cooler. But Mets catcher Wilson Ramos would have none of it, wrapping his muscular arms around the rookie and playfully dragging him up the dugout steps. "Ahora puedo decir que he visto a un búfalo luchar con un oso polar!" laughed Juan Alicea, announcing on ESPN Deportes Nueva York, "Now I can say I've seen a buffalo wrestle a polar bear!"



Alonso tipped his cap, took a moment to take it all in, his eyes scanning the crowd, suddenly spotting his tearful parents, Peter and Michelle Alonso, accepting congratulations from the SunTrust denizens around them. Pete exhaled and tossed his hat to a cheering boy behind the dugout. And rather than fight him for it, all those around the lucky young fan congratulated him with slaps on the back.



Talking to Justine Ward in the next half inning, Cleon Jones talked about how important it was to be there at this particular moment. "I drove up 65 from Mobile," the Alabama native said, "and then I spent the night with a friend in Montgomery before getting an early start this morning down 85 into Atlanta. Everybody's been great, and Pete's everything you want to see in a ballplayer wearing your old uniform. I was fortunate enough to have a pretty good career, and I even set a few records along the way. This — THIS — was the record I was most proud of. But I'm an old man. My legacy is secure, and this is just one more thing you can't take with you. So it's truly an honor to pass this one on to Piss-Mi- ... — to Peter Alonso."



That's how I remember it, anyhow.


I read this and then decided any career you picked besides writing about baseball was a shameful waste of talent.


Yeah, that's great stuff. I'm taking my hat off right now.

ashie62
Sep 24 2019 05:44 AM
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Judge had 52 homers in 678 PA's in 2017



Alonso has 50 in 667 PA's



So both are at about 13.4 PA's per HR



Petey has roughly 30 PA's to go, so



Bring it on!!



LGM

ashie62
Sep 26 2019 12:37 PM
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ashie62
Sep 29 2019 09:09 AM
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