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Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 10 2019 12:15 PM

It looks like we have a few polling threads about the next manager, but not one to track the progress of the managerial search.



So here it is.



Girardi had an eight-hour interview with the Cubs. Mets are reportedly seriously considering Beltran which, if true, would mean that the next manager won't necessarily be experienced.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 10 2019 01:03 PM
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My inclination is to think they are making a show of minority outreach with Beltran and that Fred Wilpon wouldn't abide by paying him any more than he already has given their history.



I'm still leaning toward Buck for whatever reason. Also today saw they've invited the Twins bench coach Derrick something to interview, a new name to me

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2019 01:30 PM
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The four reportedly slated for interviews thus far are Beltran, Girardi, Derek Shelton (Twins bench coach) and Mike Bell (D'backs front office).

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 10 2019 01:45 PM
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This is Derek Shelton:



https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/derek-shelton-twins.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=400>



And this is Mike Bell:



https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/cc9b9306bcc485f7742aa512591c882360204bab/c=5-0-4027-3024/local/-/media/2018/01/29/Reno/RGJ/636528513226482410-Mike-Bell.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=crop>

Edgy MD
Oct 10 2019 02:22 PM
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I think Joe Espada is on the Cubs' list also.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 10 2019 02:29 PM
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Joe Espada:



https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/05/75/01/18337869/3/gallery_xlarge.jpg>

Edgy MD
Oct 10 2019 02:39 PM
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Espada, like Beltran, is from Puerto Rico, and despite being relatively young (44) has been coaching since 2006.

Frayed Knot
Oct 10 2019 02:46 PM
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Mike Bell (44), of whom I was previously unaware, is Cincy manager David's brother, son of Buddy, grandson of '62 NYM Gus

37 ABs for the Cincy Reds in 2000 was the extent of Mike's ML career after being a 1st round (30th overall) draft pick by the Texas Rangers

out of regional sports powerhouse (all the kids of sports stars go there) Archbishop Moeller HS in Cincinnati

Centerfield
Oct 10 2019 03:29 PM
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If history is any indication, I should sit out these discussions. I remember being very happy that the Mets selected Mickey Calloway since he was billed as a smart, cutting edge guy. And since we really know nothing about these candidates, we, as fans, are wholly reliant on what is written about them.



And it seems the guys writing about these candidates have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2019 05:06 PM
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=Centerfield post_id=24202 time=1570742980 user_id=65]
And since we really know nothing about these candidates, we, as fans, are wholly reliant on what is written about them.



And it seems the guys writing about these candidates have no fucking clue what they are talking about.



Amen. I have no clue as to whether guy I've never heard of is a hidden gem or obscure because he deserves obscurity -- or whether somebody with a track record has lived and learned or fallen off his game since the last job. I guarantee you I will write hopeful things about anybody who is hired and reserve judgment on everything beyond how the dude handle the introductory presser. Everything else is just a guess.

Edgy MD
Oct 10 2019 05:11 PM
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I will not write hopeful things if the Mets hire Roger Clemens. Or Ambiorix Burgos for that matter.



I'm just putting that right out there.

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2019 05:42 PM
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Killer instinct. Don't dismiss it.

Fman99
Oct 10 2019 07:20 PM
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I want Edgardo. Mets pedigree, can communicate with Latino ballplayers, been managing in the minors, friendly, personable. Even coming off a championship in 2019. What the hell else do you want?

LWFS
Oct 10 2019 07:57 PM
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More MVP votes in 1999-2000?



Fonzie does seem a pretty good tweener, age-wise-- young enough to relate to the modern game, old enough to not be younger than me.



I gotta say, virtually everybody seems interesting to me, save Buck. I don't know why, but he always gave me the old-school-ass-kicker/control-freak douche chill.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 10 2019 08:27 PM
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Yeah, I'm kinda afraid that Buck Showalter would be another Dallas Green.

Edgy MD
Oct 10 2019 08:32 PM
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The upside: Buck did a guest-spot on Seinfeld, just like Keith Hernandez.



The downside: Buck did a guest-spot on Seinfeld, just like Rudolph Giuliani.

Farmer Ted
Oct 11 2019 02:23 PM
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Screw all those has-beens and going-nowheres.



We need some new blood and I'm all in on Richard "Stubby" Clapp, currently first base coach for the Cards. 2017 Minor League Manager of the Year with Memphis.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 11 2019 02:23 PM
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There can't be a better name than Stubby Clapp, can there?

metirish
Oct 11 2019 07:32 PM
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Martino saying Beltran interviewed yesterday

Edgy MD
Oct 11 2019 08:35 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

There can't be a better name than Stubby Clapp, can there?


The short Mets tenure of Razor Shines taught me that delightful names do not always equal high quality and endless happiness.



Shocking, I know.

Edgy MD
Oct 11 2019 08:38 PM
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Farmer Ted wrote:

Screw all those has-beens and going-nowheres.



We need some new blood and I'm all in on Richard "Stubby" Clapp, currently first base coach for the Cards. 2017 Minor League Manager of the Year with Memphis.


If we're going to drain St. Louis of talent, my heart is set on José Oquendo.

G-Fafif
Oct 12 2019 09:23 AM
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Luis Rojas reportedly added to the interview list.

bmfc1
Oct 12 2019 10:28 AM
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Human excrement Curt Schilling wants to return to baseball and would love to be the Mets pitching coach!

https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1182780618842746880

Edgy MD
Oct 12 2019 01:04 PM
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I would love to coach if I could pre-pick a bunch of already-successful players — including the about-to-be two-time defending Cy Young Award winner — to surround myself with and make myself look genius.



Who are you, Pat Riley?

Frayed Knot
Oct 13 2019 06:30 PM
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The Puma discusses Derek Shelton.



Now you just have to ignore the fact that screenwriter Ron Shelton (no relation) actually had the longer and better minor league career.

MFS62
Oct 13 2019 06:42 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

The Puma discusses Derek Shelton.


Nope, tainted by Derek Jeter.

Feh!

Later

Frayed Knot
Oct 13 2019 09:26 PM
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Carlos Beltran interested in managing just one team

So much for the speculation that his previous issues with the Wilponi would have exactly the opposite effect.

41Forever
Oct 13 2019 09:45 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Carlos Beltran interested in managing just one team

So much for the speculation that his previous issues with the Wilponi would have exactly the opposite effect.




Good for Carlos. I just don't know if he's a win-now manager. He's talking about learning on the job. If they hire him, they'd need to stick with him to let him learn. Mickey didn't get time, though he had the handicap of being hired by the previous general manager and seemed to be getting worse in some ways, rather than demonstrating he was learning.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 13 2019 10:08 PM
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I can see Chief Brodie selling Beltran to the Wilpons as a ticket seller, then getting someone like Terry to be his bench coach.

Mex17
Oct 14 2019 07:05 AM
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I want Edgardo. Mets pedigree, can communicate with Latino ballplayers, been managing in the minors, friendly, personable. Even coming off a championship in 2019. What the hell else do you want?


Good call. Why is he not being mentioned after actually doing the job in the unglamorous minor leagues while Carlos Beltran jumps to the front of the line after being comfortable in the major league luxury boxes while serving as a "special advisor"?

41Forever
Oct 14 2019 08:38 AM
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I want Edgardo. Mets pedigree, can communicate with Latino ballplayers, been managing in the minors, friendly, personable. Even coming off a championship in 2019. What the hell else do you want?


Good call. Why is he not being mentioned after actually doing the job in the unglamorous minor leagues while Carlos Beltran jumps to the front of the line after being comfortable in the major league luxury boxes while serving as a "special advisor"?


Just a guess. But the Mets know their personnel better than I do, and if Edgardo isn't being mentioned or considered, there must be a reason. And that might be they just think he needs more experience. Beltran is only interviewing at this point. We don't know how serious they are.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 14 2019 08:56 AM
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I'm convincing myself that Fred will find a high-profile manager cheaper than, say, a starting pitcher.

G-Fafif
Oct 14 2019 11:41 AM
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Eduardo Perez added to the interview list.

Centerfield
Oct 14 2019 12:00 PM
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I am terrified of what our idiot fan base will say the first time they disagree with a Beltran bullpen decision.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 14 2019 12:11 PM
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Can he get Adam Wainwright to be his pitching coach?

HahnSolo
Oct 14 2019 12:42 PM
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=G-Fafif post_id=24405 time=1571074905 user_id=55]
Eduardo Perez added to the interview list.



Ok this one mystifies me. Why????

G-Fafif
Oct 14 2019 02:50 PM
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I watched a few innings of a game at Citi Field alongside Eduardo Perez once. Certainly knows his baseball. It didn't occur to me I was sitting in the company of a potential future Mets manager, but that's not something that would necessarily occur to me.

Farmer Ted
Oct 16 2019 01:08 PM
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Someone, somewhere has access to the archives when we were throwing out names two years ago. I'm pretty sure WALLY FREAKING BACKMAN was on that list. Who else was the next so-called savior before Mickey got the blessing of Fred?

Ceetar
Oct 16 2019 01:21 PM
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Mets could be three-time defending WS champions and some Mets fans/and WFANs will still find a way to criticize Beltran for the Mets 2023 July swoon because he was so busy managing the ASG and taking the weekend off to be inducted into the HoF.



So screw 2020, who do you think manages the Mets during HoF weekend 2023 while Beltran is upstate? David Wright?

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 16 2019 01:24 PM
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Farmer Ted wrote:

Someone, somewhere has access to the archives when we were throwing out names two years ago. I'm pretty sure WALLY FREAKING BACKMAN was on that list. Who else was the next so-called savior before Mickey got the blessing of Fred?


Here it is: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2019 02:22 PM
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I'm seeing some social media posts even now calling for Wally Backman.



He is the Mets' Donald Trump, in that, for his hardcore supporters, there is no red line that he can cross that will lead them to forsake him.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2019 03:09 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

Farmer Ted wrote:

Someone, somewhere has access to the archives when we were throwing out names two years ago. I'm pretty sure WALLY FREAKING BACKMAN was on that list. Who else was the next so-called savior before Mickey got the blessing of Fred?


Here it is: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)


I dont think I'd ever seen a clean-shaven Mickey till I reopened that thread.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2019 03:29 PM
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Mets Willets Point

Oct 07 2017 02:04 AM

Re: Who will manage the Mets (split from Terry Hot Seat)



I think like 90% of a MLB manager's job these days is keeping his players happy and maintaining cordial relations with the media. So basically, no assholes who will fight with their players or fight with the press, and we should be fine.


I think we should let Willets pick the next manager.

LWFS
Oct 17 2019 01:23 PM
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I want Edgardo. Mets pedigree, can communicate with Latino ballplayers, been managing in the minors, friendly, personable. Even coming off a championship in 2019. What the hell else do you want?


Good call. Why is he not being mentioned after actually doing the job in the unglamorous minor leagues while Carlos Beltran jumps to the front of the line after being comfortable in the major league luxury boxes while serving as a "special advisor"?


Well, he's being mentioned now... just not in THAT way.


Mike Puma wrote:
The Mets have told Edgardo Alfonzo his contract won't be renewed. Alfonzo was manager at Class A Brooklyn, which won the New York-Penn League championship this season.


Supposedly offered a "club ambassador" role. Presumably, there's something else at play beyond what we know publicly... but it definitely isn't a good look.

G-Fafif
Oct 17 2019 02:06 PM
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Jon Heyman said Tim Bogar is "in the mix," whatever the fuck that means.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2019 02:09 PM
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Hey, a career .636 winning percentage!

G-Fafif
Oct 18 2019 02:20 PM
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In case you were wondering, yes, Skip Schumaker has interviewed to become the next Mets manager.



And yes, he is a client of CAA.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 18 2019 02:25 PM
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And he has a son named "Brody".

Frayed Knot
Oct 18 2019 02:29 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

And he has a son named "Brody".


All guys named Skip have a son named Brody.

And also, all guys named Brody have a son named Skip. It's a true fact!

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 18 2019 02:43 PM
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So the name "Skip" skips a generation?

Frayed Knot
Oct 18 2019 02:45 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

So the name "Skip" skips a generation?


Yes, it's like a recessive gene.

Edgy MD
Oct 18 2019 09:24 PM
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>>> "Brody, can you speak to this idea floating around that this is just another example of you using your position here with the Mets to take care of your former agency's clients?"



>>> >>> "That's not what's going on here. You really want to get your ducks in a row before making that sort of insinuation."



>>> "OK, Duck One: You recruited him into the agency, and kept him personally as part of your portfolio."



>>> >>> "And I did a good job for him. But right now, I'm trying to do a good job for the Mets. They're my only client now."



>>> "Duck Two: The guy has a son name 'Brody'."



>>> >>> "What do you expect? His name is Skip for God's sake. It's, like, the law or something. I'm sure, sooner or later, I'll have a son named 'Skip.' It just happens, OK?"

G-Fafif
Oct 20 2019 07:39 PM
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Second-interview candidates, per reports: Perez, Beltran, Girardi, Bogar.

Mex17
Oct 21 2019 05:52 PM
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I'm fearful at this point that Girardi is headed to Philly.



Still very much opposed to the prospect of making Beltran manager.

duan
Oct 22 2019 04:47 AM
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Joe Girardi always struck me as a jerk.

I don't want any part of him.

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2019 06:24 AM
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Girardi never struck me as a jerk. I didn't like him because of his Yankeeness, but otherwise he seemed OK.



My conspiratorial conjecture as this drags on:



Management knows the fans (in general) love Girardi--so they make a point of interest and bring him in to interview.



BVW really likes Perez (photogenic, well-known, wouldn't imagine he'd be looking for too much control). This is my conjecture.



Management knows fans in general will not be thrilled with a Perez hire when the Phils will be hiring either Buck or Girardi.



So ownership compromises and hires Beltran, whose name carries some weight, and will appease at least a few of the fans irate that they didn't get their Girardi choice.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 22 2019 06:33 AM
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Mets by the Numbers has officially endorsed Tim Bogar, even though he's behind in Iowa.

41Forever
Oct 22 2019 06:50 AM
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=HahnSolo post_id=24877 time=1571747054 user_id=63]
Girardi never struck me as a jerk. I didn't like him because of his Yankeeness, but otherwise he seemed OK.



My conspiratorial conjecture as this drags on:



Management knows the fans (in general) love Girardi--so they make a point of interest and bring him in to interview.



BVW really likes Perez (photogenic, well-known, wouldn't imagine he'd be looking for too much control). This is my conjecture.



Management knows fans in general will not be thrilled with a Perez hire when the Phils will be hiring either Buck or Girardi.



So ownership compromises and hires Beltran, whose name carries some weight, and will appease at least a few of the fans irate that they didn't get their Girardi choice.





You're thinking fans in general love Girardi? Not sure I agree with that one. I always thought he looked like was a passed ball away from having a stroke. I'm a little detached being outside of the New York area, but are people really clamoring for a Yankee reject?



I don't know if fan opinion carries a lot of weight in these decisions. If Brodie likes Perez and thinks he's the guy to take the team to the next level, he'll hire him. Same with Beltran or anyone else on the list.

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2019 06:56 AM
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=41Forever post_id=24879 time=1571748629 user_id=69]


You're thinking fans in general love Girardi? Not sure I agree with that one. I always thought he looked like was a passed ball away from having a stroke. I'm a little detached being outside of the New York area, but are people really clamoring for a Yankee reject?



I don't know if fan opinion carries a lot of weight in these decisions. If Brodie likes Perez and thinks he's the guy to take the team to the next level, he'll hire him. Same with Beltran or anyone else on the list.



Go on any Met or SNY social media feed; read comments on Martino's twitter. It's overwhelming Girardi support.

Vic Sage
Oct 22 2019 08:22 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:

>>> "Brody, can you speak to this idea floating around that this is just another example of you using your position here with the Mets to take care of your former agency's clients?"



>>> >>> "That's not what's going on here. You really want to get your ducks in a row before making that sort of insinuation."



>>> "OK, Duck One: You recruited him into the agency, and kept him personally as part of your portfolio."



>>> >>> "And I did a good job for him. But right now, I'm trying to do a good job for the Mets. They're my only client now."



>>> "Duck Two: The guy has a son name 'Brody'."



>>> >>> "What do you expect? His name is Skip for God's sake. It's, like, the law or something. I'm sure, sooner or later, I'll have a son named 'Skip.' It just happens, OK?"


Were you intending this to be a satire of the Mulvaney press conference? Because it's spot on.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2019 08:27 AM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

Mets by the Numbers has officially endorsed Tim Bogar, even though he's behind in Iowa.


This is good stuff.



For a guy who didn't get on with Valentine, he seems like a real Valentinian candidate. Marginal but memorable former player for the team. A long career of coaching including an impressive managerial track record in the minors. An audition with Texas (much briefer than Valentine's but still.)


Vic Sage wrote:
Were you intending this to be a satire of the Mulvaney press conference? Because it's spot on.


Not at all, but damn, yeah. It must have been a sub-conscious thing.



I frankly suspected I didn't even have a sub-conscious, but there it is.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2019 08:32 AM
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Eighteen years ago, The Big E predicted that Tim Bogar would be a great coach/manager some day:



http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0477&tabno=7

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2019 08:34 AM
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Latest from Martino. This could be interesting...thoughts on "bombshell candidates"?





@martinonyc

1h1 hour ago

One person connected to team has said a “bombshell candidate” is in the mix if a clear favorite does not emerge from the current group. Have fun with that one. No way David Wright would ever do this so don't go down that road btw

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2019 08:38 AM
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Kate Upton?

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2019 08:39 AM
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Frank Stallone?

Centerfield
Oct 22 2019 08:40 AM
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It's Jeff.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2019 08:40 AM
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Wally Backman might be considered a "bombshell".

Centerfield
Oct 22 2019 08:43 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

Wally Backman might be considered a "bombshell".




I guess so right?



Others that I would consider "bombshell"



1. Bobby Valentine

2. Davey Johnson

3. Lou Piniella

4. David Wright

5. Ted Turner

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2019 08:45 AM
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Twitter speculation on Jessica Mendoza and AJ Hinch.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2019 08:51 AM
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[list=1]

  • [*]Jessica Mendoza

  • [*]Darryl Strawberry

  • [*]Kurt Russell

  • [*]Bobby Bonilla

  • [*]Gary Carter.
    • [/list]

    This sucks. Now I'm going to be so disappointed if it's a boring old "qualified" candidate.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 22 2019 08:52 AM
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    Gosh, looks like the Jessica Mendoza theory has preceded me.

    Centerfield
    Oct 22 2019 09:07 AM
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    I don't know if Jessica Mendoza meets my definition of bombshell.



    I'd be more inclined to go the route of Charlize Theron or Natalie Dormer. Maybe Naomi Watts, but she's more like girl next door than bombshell.

    Vic Sage
    Oct 22 2019 09:17 AM
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    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/35th+Annual+Salute+Women+Sports+o_C2VyTSgoMx.jpg>

    41Forever
    Oct 22 2019 09:37 AM
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    Tony LaRussa's name bouncing around Twitter as a bombshell.

    bmfc1
    Oct 22 2019 09:37 AM
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    =Centerfield post_id=24902 time=1571755226 user_id=65]It's Jeff.


    I'm ready!

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 22 2019 09:50 AM
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    =Centerfield post_id=24909 time=1571756875 user_id=65]
    I don't know if Jessica Mendoza meets my definition of bombshell.



    She's certainly prettier than Joe Torre.

    seawolf17
    Oct 22 2019 10:02 AM
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    Benjamin Grimm wrote:


    I don't know if Jessica Mendoza meets my definition of bombshell.


    She's certainly prettier than Joe Torre.


    "'It's hard to say what she looked like; kind of like Joe Torre with tits.' This joke can only be explained by a picture of Joe Torre, but none exist because he breaks camera lenses."



    -Jim Bouton

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 22 2019 10:24 AM
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    Benjamin Grimm wrote:

    Eighteen years ago, The Big E predicted that Tim Bogar would be a great coach/manager some day:



    http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0477&tabno=7


    Love those fan memories. Bogar played mainly during my "Wilderness Years" when I was out of state, no games on TV, fresh off "Worst Team" era, and the strike that led to an additional year of pay-no-mind-to-baseball. Basically I missed almost the entire Dallas Green Era, returning only in time to see it end.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 22 2019 10:59 AM
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    When Gary recalls TB, he tends to mention that the one time in his Mets career he was playing well enough to win the shortstop job outright, he got badly injured.


    BASEBALL; Bogar Is Trying to Reverse a Career Slide



    By Jennifer Frey



    Feb. 25, 1994



    The New York Times Archives

    February 25, 1994, Section B, Page 11



    The perfect day came to an end at 3 A.M. in a hotel room in Center City, Philadelphia. Tim Bogar awoke with an awful ache in his left hand, the pain so great he could not get back to sleep. His wife, Karrin, was there with his baby son T. J. Earlier in the night, friends had joined him to watch sports highlights on television.



    He had gone 4 for 5 with two homers, 4 runs scored and 4 runs batted in in the game against the Phillies. All those numbers represented career highs for Bogar, who was trying to prove to the Mets that he just might cut it as the team's starting shortstop, rather than as the utility infielder they had pegged him to be. Big Opportunity Wasted



    But Bogar made a stupid mistake. On his last at-bat he hit an inside-the-park homer and slid head first into the plate. His left hand twisted, the ligaments tore and suddenly his season was over on Aug. 15, his big opportunity wasted away.



    "It didn't seem bad at first, not until I woke up in the middle of the night in pain," Bogar said. "I didn't even realize what I had done until the next day."



    Bogar went to the park, avoided the trainer and tried to take batting practice. He could not swing the bat. He was placed on the disabled list that day and had surgery exactly one month later.



    While the hand healed over the winter, the Mets went shopping for a shortstop and signed the veteran Luis Rivera on Jan. 19. Now, Bogar, 27 years old, is competing for the shortstop job at the Mets' spring-training complex and faces an uphill battle if he wishes to establish himself as the everyday guy.



    "I sat there and thought about how much opportunity I missed in that month and a half," Bogar said. "If I would have played the last month and a half and done some more positive things and proved to them I can be an everyday player, they might have had different priorities this winter. But by hurting myself, I put doubt in their minds about my abilities." Knee Injury in 1990



    Once a strong prospect at shortstop, Bogar was labeled a utility infielder after he returned from a 1990 knee injury that forced him to miss most of his minor league season. At that time, the organization correctly predicted that Bogar would have a quicker route to the majors in a utility role.



    But when the Mets traded shortstop Tony Fernandez to Toronto last June, they suddenly found themselves without a shortstop and Bogar found himself with a chance. He made the most of that opportunity, surprising Manager Dallas Green with his performance -- at least, until that head-first slide in August.



    "I think when the general manager broke him down, he was valued at best in our minds as a utilityman who can play a variety of positions," Green said today. "But when we traded Tony, he stepped forward and did the most with it. I gotta give him credit, he did more with the bat than I expected."



    Bogar has never been a high-average guy, not even in the minors, and he has been criticized for a lack of range in the field. Last season, he hit .244 with 3 homers and 25 r.b.i. in 78 games. "I've never made an all-star team, I've never been a star, not even in the minor leagues, but I'm here," said Bogar. "I'm the type of guy that's never noticed, but I'm needed." INSIDE PITCH



    FRED WILPON, co-owner and president, addressed the team for five or six minutes before the start of workouts Thursday morning. He commended the players for their attitude and warned them that any player who did not give 100 percent effort would be gone. In addition, Wilpon announced that all team members must participate in 90-minute seminars on dealing with the news media. . . . BUTCH HUSKEY continues to work out on a special program and Manager DALLAS GREEN said that Huskey must recognize that this is going to be a transition year for him -- a transition from out-of-shape to in-shape, that is. "He's not going to be able to do much here by the looks of it," Green said, alluding to spring training. Huskey is expected to start the season with the Class AAA club.

    41Forever
    Oct 22 2019 11:30 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Sherman reporting Metheny not interested in Mets because he's been working for the Royals and could be Ned Yost's replacement.

    batmagadanleadoff
    Oct 22 2019 11:32 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Tim Bogar makes the cover of not one, but two Mets programs. That's two more than Mets Cy Young award winner R.A. Dickey.





    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48942340168_65c6458788_c.jpg>



    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48942890006_446ba3f0ff_c.jpg>

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 22 2019 11:49 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    That's good in Bogie's case because the statistics measured that he sucked.



    I'm proud to be leading the Tim Bogar 4 Manager Bandwagon, even as I didn;t realize that was my position until I woke up this morning and didn't even realize he was coaching Washington and not Houston till Greg told me so on Twitter.



    But ya know, that's just as good. He comes with knowledge of the enemy.

    seawolf17
    Oct 22 2019 11:51 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    "Statistics Cannot Measure His True Value, Except His Statistics Are Seriously Terrible, Which Now That We Really Look At It Means He Doesn't Bring All That Much Value, As It Turns Out."



    What "value" did Tim Bogar bring, exactly? Nobody was buying tickets to see Tim Bogar play. They didn't have BOGAR 11 shirseys for sale in the team store.



    Goodness, those were lean years.

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 22 2019 12:09 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Did Homeboy Sandman even mention Tim Bogar???

    Centerfield
    Oct 22 2019 12:15 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    1996 Tim Bogar. .546 OPS. 0.4 WAR.

    batmagadanleadoff
    Oct 22 2019 12:19 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Benjamin Grimm wrote:

    Did Homeboy Sandman even mention Tim Bogar???


    You're not gonna believe this but he does. At the 14 seconds mark. In fact, Bogar's the first Met to be mentioned.

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 22 2019 12:32 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    You're right! Holy crap!

    Edgy MD
    Oct 22 2019 12:52 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    There you have it: value!

    Vic Sage
    Oct 22 2019 01:24 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Tim Bogar = scrappy utility guy who "played the right way" = white guy who couldn't hit that well. (see Joe, Super)

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 22 2019 01:28 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Sure, but wait'll you see Bill Pecota!

    Vic Sage
    Oct 22 2019 01:41 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    And Bill Almon! and Ty Kelly! and Jason Kardtke! and Shawn Gilbert! and Shane Halter! and Jeff McNight! and Keith Miller...

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 22 2019 02:12 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2019 03:52 PM

    Vic Sage wrote:

    And Bill Almon! and Ty Kelly! and Jason Kardtke! and Shawn Gilbert! and Shane Halter! and Jeff McNight! and Keith Miller...


    That's what the players use to get access to the clubhouse, right ... their specially assigned Jason Kardtke?

    G-Fafif
    Oct 22 2019 02:17 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mike Shelton gets a second interview, joining Rojas, Girardi, Perez, Beltran and Bogar.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 22 2019 02:19 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Tim Bogar makes the cover of not one, but two Mets programs. That's two more than Mets Cy Young award winner R.A. Dickey.





    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48942340168_65c6458788_c.jpg>



    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48942890006_446ba3f0ff_c.jpg>


    A copy of the later program was unearthed during the demolition of Shea in the vicinity of the home dugout, like an artifact of ancient times.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 22 2019 02:20 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Sherm says Bell and Schumacher were told to fuck off.



    I mean thanked for coming in

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 22 2019 02:28 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    That's probably because Skip named his son "Brody" instead of "Brodie".



    Details matter!

    Edgy MD
    Oct 22 2019 02:35 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Fun fact: Buddy Bell, Mike Bell, Barry Larkin, Stephen Larkin, Ken Griffey, Jr., all. graduated from Cincinnati's famed Archbishop Moeller High School and went on to play for the Reds.



    That's about all I can tell you about Mike Bell, apart from his family's longtime baseball heritage.

    Mex17
    Oct 22 2019 05:31 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    OMG, I can see the Mendoza thing happening!!

    Fman99
    Oct 22 2019 06:23 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

    Benjamin Grimm wrote:

    Eighteen years ago, The Big E predicted that Tim Bogar would be a great coach/manager some day:



    http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0477&tabno=7


    Love those fan memories. Bogar played mainly during my "Wilderness Years" when I was out of state, no games on TV, fresh off "Worst Team" era, and the strike that led to an additional year of pay-no-mind-to-baseball. Basically I missed almost the entire Dallas Green Era, returning only in time to see it end.


    I had a similar experience, I went off to college in '91, and they got bad right after that, and I didn't really start to pay attention again until the fall of '96, after I had gotten my first job and needed some way to pass the time in a town where I didn't really know anyone. I was listening to internet broadcasts using Real Audio for free, right before they put up the initial paywalls. Got me real cable in time for the 1997 season.

    MFS62
    Oct 22 2019 07:16 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Carlos Beltran has a great opportunity.

    I hope he doesn't let this one go by.



    Later

    Ceetar
    Oct 23 2019 09:30 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mendoza might be a very good manager.



    I don't think the Mets have the right front office/owners/PR/media cache to navigate those delicate waters though. Not sure any team does really, which of course is part of the catch-22 problem there.



    Unless they come out of the gate at an .800 clip and never let up of course.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 23 2019 09:56 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Being that nobody agrees on what a good manager is, it's very hard to say she would or wouldn't.



    I imagine she might get interviews, but unless they're desperate for a p.r. game-change, the organization that makes a move such as hiring a female leader for a role that has been traditionally exclusively male would typically do it at the junior level first, and so I imagine the first American female professional baseball manager would probably have to survive a gig with the Delmarva Shorebirds first. Or perhaps an independent league team like the Sioux City Explorers would take the plunge, knowing that the national spotlight wouldn't be as bright, and that publicity at that level is worth as much as wins.



    Corporations — consciously or unconsciously — tend to look for a win-win situation before breaking a gentleman's agreement, I think.

    bmfc1
    Oct 23 2019 03:14 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    There's a new episode of the "Shea Anything" podcast with SNY's Doug Williams and Andy Martino. It was nice to get 30 minutes of Mets-talk even though nothing was added that we didn't know other than Martino has heard of other names who have gotten interviews but he can't report on those names. He said that some of the interviewees might show up in other roles (such as Skip Schumaker). He said that Showalter hasn't gotten an interview because there is a "history" with some of the Mets F.O.

    MFS62
    Oct 23 2019 07:44 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Mendoza might be a very good manager.

    If she is the person doing the playoff games on ESPN radio, I have been very impressed with her knowledge of the traditional game and the new stats, the individual player's strengths and weaknesses(e.g.- "He's dropping his hands lower than on his first at bat"), and in-game strategy.



    Later

    bmfc1
    Oct 23 2019 09:07 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Maybe HOU will fire Hinch after this pathetic display and then Brodie can hire his buddy.

    Gwreck
    Oct 24 2019 07:28 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    One name to scratch off the list of candidates: Girardi hired by Philadelphia.

    Ceetar
    Oct 24 2019 08:25 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    dodged that bullet at least.



    And Tingler by the Padres, who i don't think was on the list?

    86dreamer
    Oct 24 2019 08:26 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    really starting to wonder why they didn't just keep Mickey

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 24 2019 08:56 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm not sure that Girardi is a dodged bullet, but no, I'm not at all upset that he won't be coming to the Mets, nor that he's going to the Phillies.

    Gwreck
    Oct 24 2019 12:33 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Girardi is not a bullet “dodged.” There is zero indication that he would do a bad job as manager of the Mets.



    He's an opportunity missed. Is he the only opportunity for the Mets to hire a better manager for 2020? Certainly not. But an opportunity missed nonetheless.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 24 2019 12:36 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    really starting to wonder why they didn't just keep Mickey


    "See you tomorrow, Mickey." That's why

    Lefty Specialist
    Oct 24 2019 12:42 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Benjamin Grimm wrote:

    I'm not sure that Girardi is a dodged bullet, but no, I'm not at all upset that he won't be coming to the Mets, nor that he's going to the Phillies.


    Kinda where I am. I just didn't see his style meshing very well with the Wilpons, which is key for any manager, sorry to say. If Jeffy told him to use pitchers more or less frequently, I'd imagine Girardi would blow a gasket. Mickey submitted to the request. A strong, confident manager would talk the owner out of meddling. I want THAT guy.

    Ceetar
    Oct 24 2019 12:58 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Girardi is not a bullet “dodged.” There is zero indication that he would do a bad job as manager of the Mets.



    He's an opportunity missed. Is he the only opportunity for the Mets to hire a better manager for 2020? Certainly not. But an opportunity missed nonetheless.


    opportunity? sure, so was literally every other person in the world.



    Girardi was like a safety school. He was the 'easy' pick. the safe one. That the Mets didn't just go "Girardi's good enough, just hire him" and move on is a great sign.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 25 2019 04:59 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Bob Nightengale says Eduardo Perez is the clear frontrunner despite Martino propping up Bogar.

    kcmets
    Oct 25 2019 05:47 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Is Martino Tracky? Google no help on that front...

    G-Fafif
    Oct 25 2019 07:37 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Martino = Tracky.

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 25 2019 07:49 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =kcmets post_id=25196 time=1572047277 user_id=53]
    Is Martino Tracky? Google no help on that front...



    It's fully explained on the Crane-Wiki site.

    Mex17
    Oct 26 2019 04:43 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    If it's coming down to Perez and Bogar I guess that I'll be OK with it.

    41Forever
    Oct 26 2019 02:03 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    https://preview.redd.it/0lycmu1y0qu31.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3b240695f7a309fe9215521e91079b8c9b55092f>





    Screw the Daily News. Passing on Girardi doesn't mean the Mets are "rudderless."

    bmfc1
    Oct 26 2019 07:18 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 26 2019 08:09 PM

    https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1188257838302404608

    BUT

    https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1188264497041018890

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 26 2019 07:27 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Who is 'EJerez'?



    oe: Ernesto Jerez - looks like someone possibly from ESPN Deportes



    So this report is Gomez citing Jerez that Perez has been hired.

    Sounds EZ to me.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 26 2019 09:06 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    https://twitter.com/marlyriveraespn/status/1188263326624768001?s=21

    Edgy MD
    Oct 26 2019 09:06 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Tracky trying to stuff somebody else's scoop is a bold move. You don't want to end up back in your Speedo, Track.

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 26 2019 09:26 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    So now we've got Marly Rivera (whoever she is) saying she knows that Jerez doesn't know what he earlier claimed to know, or at least what Gomez assumed to know about what Jerez knows.



    I just don't know anymore.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 26 2019 10:08 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marly_Rivera

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 26 2019 10:16 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager




    https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1188264497041018890


    The Mets NOT deciding to name Eduardo Perez as their next manager is not the same thing as the Mets deciding NOT to name Eduardo Perez as their next manager.



    Just so as we're all clear on this now.

    I know I'm not.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 26 2019 10:58 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mike Puma says Luis Rojas is out.

    Mex17
    Oct 27 2019 07:20 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Unless this ESPN thing screws him, I expect Perez to edge out Bogar because of the communication/media skills.

    bmfc1
    Oct 27 2019 02:58 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Is this the "bombshell"? If so, it's an unknown one.

    https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1188559718001844224

    HahnSolo
    Oct 27 2019 04:36 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Me hearing this news: Pat Murphy? Pffft. Let him go coach Notre Dame.



    [checks guy's resume]



    Hey, he DID coach at Notre Dame [Pat Murphy coaching Notre Dame might be the most Notre Dame thing ever; then again their football coach is Brian Kelly]. One of his players in college was Craig Counsell, for whom he now works.



    This seems like a hire in the Snitker mold (baseball lifer who's seen it all), and as Snitker has shown, that could be a good thing. No clue if he should be the guy but it does show that they are doing a pretty thorough search.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 27 2019 04:37 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Oh yeah. Things are going to get HOT in Flushing next summer.



    https://www.theherald-news.com/_internal/cimg!0/dt01prscslonzzgcoswmn8k0pq5iym5>



    Seriously, though, the guy has almost 1,000 NCAA victories under his shirt.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 27 2019 06:56 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Also, Track sez that Murphy isn't the only mystery candidate in the mix.



    This is thrilling.

    LWFS
    Oct 27 2019 07:48 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Is this the "bombshell"? If so, it's an unknown one.

    https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1188559718001844224


    Oooh... a secret bombshell. So, like, a landmine?


    Edgy MD wrote:
    This is thrilling.


    Is it?

    Edgy MD
    Oct 27 2019 08:15 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Oh, yeah.



    Give in to the mystery, man. They can appoint Grady Little's perpetually confused younger brother, and he still comes in 0-0, without any "See you tomorrow" freakouts on his record — certainly not in a Mets locker room. I personally wouldn't care if they teased it out through the new year. I know it affects offseason player negotiations, so sure, you've got to make the hire ASAP and move on. But in the meantime, as far as I know, until they hire somebody, the next manager is John J. McGraw with a better sense of humor.



    Mickey didn't work out, but I still applaud the boldness of the hire. The next skipper could be a fart in a spacesuit, but he or she gets to put his or her name on a Mets era and it will stay there as long as there is a Mets. That's always cool.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 27 2019 08:18 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Pat Murphy can manage the Mets to a division title in year one, yet he'll rank a distant fourth among significant Met Murphs.



    But the opportunity to leapfrog Billy Murphy will be right there waiting for him.

    LWFS
    Oct 27 2019 08:46 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Edgy MD wrote:

    Oh, yeah.



    Give in to the mystery, man. They can appoint Grady Little's perpetually confused younger brother, and he still comes in 0-0, without any "See you tomorrow" freakouts on his record — certainly not in a Mets locker room. I personally wouldn't care if they teased it out through the new year. I know it affects offseason player negotiations, so sure, you've got to make the hire ASAP and move on. But in the meantime, as far as I know, until they hire somebody, the next manager is John J. McGraw with a better sense of humor.



    Mickey didn't work out, but I still applaud the boldness of the hire. The next skipper could be a fart in a spacesuit, but he or she gets to put his or her name on a Mets era and it will stay there as long as there is a Mets. That's always cool.


    I'd stipulate to "interesting," or "mild fun." But in the era of shifts-called-from-your-laptop, pitching-changes-dictated-from-the-assistant-GM, dugout stewardship really ain't what it used to be.



    Does a managerial hire really affect player acquisition/negotiations much?

    Edgy MD
    Oct 27 2019 09:11 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I would expect it does. For one, he's a consultant with the GM on personnel decisions. For two, he's part of the package a player is considering pledging at least part of the next several years of his life to.



    That might be overstated, but I'd think a GM would be kind of shy about approaching players with leverage without being able to tell them who they'll be answering to.

    Centerfield
    Oct 28 2019 08:13 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =G-Fafif post_id=25292 time=1572229081 user_id=55]
    Pat Murphy can manage the Mets to a division title in year one, yet he'll rank a distant fourth among significant Met Murphs.



    But the opportunity to leapfrog Billy Murphy will be right there waiting for him.



    I'm clearly missing someone obvious.



    Bob

    Daniel

    ???

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 28 2019 08:21 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Johnny

    G-Fafif
    Oct 28 2019 11:52 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Because Johnny Murphy died young, his legacy may be the least known of early key Met executives.



    1969 GM who died of a heart attack the following January. Oversaw scouting during Mets' formative years, helping build the foundation of the world champs. Mets HOF inductee, 1983, along with Bill Shea. The John J. Murphy Award is still given annually to the outstanding player taking part in his first big league camp. Jeff McNeil won it this past spring; Garth Brooks won it in 2000.

    Centerfield
    Oct 28 2019 11:56 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Yikes. Embarrassed to say I've never heard of him. In fact, it never occurred to me until now that I didn't know the GM of the '69 team.



    Thanks guys.

    Lefty Specialist
    Oct 28 2019 12:05 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Dare we hope that AJ Hinch is disgusted with the Astros and looking for new worlds to conquer?

    Centerfield
    Oct 28 2019 01:45 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm kinda surprised. I would have thought with Girardi having given the Mets the excuse to sign another puppet, that it would have been wrapped up quickly and announced today (only off day until the end of the WS).

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 28 2019 01:56 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Unless perhaps the new guy is currently employed by the Astros or the Nationals.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 28 2019 08:48 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =Centerfield post_id=25325 time=1572285412 user_id=65]
    Yikes. Embarrassed to say I've never heard of him. In fact, it never occurred to me until now that I didn't know the GM of the '69 team.



    Thanks guys.



    Check out that Mets Hall of Fame, man. I think there's gonna be a test.

    HahnSolo
    Oct 29 2019 08:02 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Add another name to the list, per Martino:



    Uncovered another Mets mystery candidate: Triple-A manager Tony DeFrancesco has interviewed for managerial job and could still be in mix, per major league sources

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 29 2019 11:19 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Jon Heyman wrote:
    Some of the mystery has gone out of Mets search. No more bombshells. Appears the final 4 are: Tim Bogar, Eduardo Perez, Derek Shelton and Carlos Beltran.

    Edgy MD
    Oct 29 2019 12:33 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    It's going to be Armando Benitez. I just know it.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 29 2019 02:32 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    When I say "Bo" you say "Gar"



    BO!

    Edgy MD
    Oct 29 2019 02:49 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Gar!



    After nothing was announced yesterday, I'm thinking the Mets have committed to Bogar, but they can't make an outright offer until after the World Series ends, and he technically becomes available.

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 29 2019 03:17 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Well, according to someone I read yesterday (I forget who as they all start to blend together after a while) the decision is now in Fred-land.

    The first two rounds were headed by BVW (along with various lieutenants) plus Jeff. Now whatever third round survivors remain need to get the Fred stamp of approval.

    What's unknown, even now that he is supposedly a bit more removed from day-to-day operations, is how much his vote counts. I mean ultimately it counts for everything

    but will he go totally against the recommendation(s) if one guy, maybe not one favored from the prior rounds, "lights up the room" for him? Or, for that matter, we don't know

    how the power sharing worked up until now; how much of a gap in opinion will it take for Jeff to override BVW and the braintrust?

    kcmets
    Oct 29 2019 03:29 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    FK's post just puts me in sad Fred/Jeff land...



    SELL THE TEAM YOU CHEAP-ASS CROOKS NOW!!!

    Edgy MD
    Oct 29 2019 03:31 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Frayed Knot wrote:
    Well, according to someone I read yesterday (I forget who as they all start to blend together after a while) the decision is now in Fred-land.




    Fred-Land! Nobody's favorite amusement park! Exit 11 off the Taconic.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 29 2019 06:29 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Some Guy with 58 followers on Twitter says Eduardo Perez just landed at LaGuardia

    Vic Sage
    Oct 30 2019 08:49 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    If its taking 3 rounds, then nobody has gotten them excited. Meanwhile, Girardi is now coaching for a team in our division. And we're leaving the final decision to Koufax's synaptically-challenged golfing buddy?



    God grant me the serenity...

    41Forever
    Oct 30 2019 10:30 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Vic Sage wrote:

    If its taking 3 rounds, then nobody has gotten them excited. Meanwhile, Girardi is now coaching for a team in our division. And we're leaving the final decision to Koufax's synaptically-challenged golfing buddy?



    God grant me the serenity...


    Third interview -- or announcement of hiring? Once the game is over tonight, teams are free to make news again.

    batmagadanleadoff
    Oct 30 2019 11:11 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Frayed Knot wrote:

    What's unknown, even now that [Fred W] is supposedly a bit more removed from day-to-day operations, is how much his vote counts. I mean ultimately it counts for everything but will he go totally against the recommendation(s) if one guy, maybe not one favored from the prior rounds, "lights up the room" for him? Or, for that matter, we don't know how the power sharing worked up until now; how much of a gap in opinion will it take for Jeff to override BVW and the braintrust?


    Sometimes I think that the way the Mets operate is that all of this preliminary stuff is mostly a dog and pony show that means shit and the decision is totally the Wilpons. This preliminary stuff is just to trick the GM into thinking that he's calling most of the shots.

    Centerfield
    Oct 30 2019 11:22 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Frayed Knot wrote:

    What's unknown, even now that [Fred W] is supposedly a bit more removed from day-to-day operations, is how much his vote counts. I mean ultimately it counts for everything but will he go totally against the recommendation(s) if one guy, maybe not one favored from the prior rounds, "lights up the room" for him? Or, for that matter, we don't know how the power sharing worked up until now; how much of a gap in opinion will it take for Jeff to override BVW and the braintrust?


    Sometimes I think that the way the Mets operate is that all of this preliminary stuff is mostly a dog and pony show that means shit and the decision is totally the Wilpons. This preliminary stuff is just to trick the GM into thinking that he's calling most of the shots.


    I don't think the GM thinks for a second that he has any real power. I think he took the job knowing he was signing on to be the spokesman for the Wilpons.



    The only dog and pony show was interviewing Girardi and Chaim Bloom before him. Like they'd ever consider handing over the reins.

    Frayed Knot
    Oct 30 2019 07:24 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Tim Bogar -- currently still working w/the Nats -- remains the lone candidate not to have his 3rd round/Fred round interview.

    Beltran, Perez, and Shelton have had the 3rd go-round. It's unclear whether Luis Rojas & Pat Murphy have. [Sherman]



    So we're probably looking at the end of the week at the earliest.

    G-Fafif
    Oct 31 2019 08:36 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Sherman reports Bogar is out.

    Benjamin Grimm
    Oct 31 2019 08:42 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Meaning that he's openly gay?

    Edgy MD
    Oct 31 2019 09:08 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm kind of adapting to the Eduardo Peréz thing. Good pinch-hitter. Son of a Hall of Famer. Baseball-lifer even though he didn't have to be. Second-generation manager. Almost single-handedly saved professional baseball in Puerto Rico.



    Seems ... proactive?

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 31 2019 09:11 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =G-Fafif post_id=25657 time=1572575808 user_id=55]
    Sherman reports Bogar is out.


    The dream is over

    HahnSolo
    Nov 01 2019 07:17 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    It's weird, I kind of felt the momentum for Bogar was growing. Sorry, Bucket.

    seawolf17
    Nov 01 2019 08:06 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    It's hard to get too worked up one way or another about any candidate being "in" or "out," because we honestly have no idea and all the reporters are just filling space. YA GOTTA BELIEVE, LUNCH.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Nov 01 2019 10:07 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Murphy is out.

    G-Fafif
    Nov 01 2019 10:40 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mark Feinsand of mlb.com says it's down to Pérez and Beltran.

    Benjamin Grimm
    Nov 01 2019 10:59 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    They can avoid having to decide between the two by hiring this guy:



    https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/1974/1974-328Fr.jpg>

    batmagadanleadoff
    Nov 01 2019 11:06 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mets managers who also played for the Mets:



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1963/Topps---Base/245/Gil-Hodges.jpg?id=8a61976c-8c10-4503-bca9-40646dd488a9&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1971/O-Pee-Chee---Base/183/Gil-Hodges.jpg?id=e403bb0c-899f-405a-a6e9-ea4615d37598&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1965/Topps---Base/470/Yogi-Berra.jpg?id=87545ef7-0310-4563-b2b3-69b18420fb92&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2005/Topps-All-Time-Fan-Favorites---Base---Gold-Refractor/35/Yogi-Berra.jpg?id=1339189f-1b04-4ade-8f5b-baec5a237133&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1966/Topps---Base/421/Roy-McMillan.jpg?id=1d8a5317-8f4f-49e3-a27e-a43340720e98&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1976/Topps---Base/585/Joe-Torre.jpg?id=4754895d-faee-4af3-bbc8-a8065634d85c&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1981/Donruss---Base/506/Joe-Torre.jpg?id=9af2b7e6-0a5a-4d80-b62a-c5aec2222e7d&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1970/Topps---Base/634/Bud-Harrelson.jpg?id=16a301dc-a49a-4638-808d-dafab110e046&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1990/Topps-Traded---Box-Set-Base---Collectors-Edition-(Tiffany)/37T/Bud-Harrelson.jpg?id=da331bea-4152-440c-906f-3d4c748ce7b9&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1982/Topps---Base/43/Mike-Cubbage.jpg?id=331b447f-4895-4491-a62d-ea1bac1ba6ac&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1990/Kahns-New-York-Mets---Base/4/Mike-Cubbage.jpg?id=de2c58d6-c574-4d7c-a5b0-3a075676cfa6&size=original[/IMG]



    [FIMG=256]http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/dallas.jpg[/FIMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1993/Topps-Traded---Base/36T/Dallas-Green-Davey-Johnson.jpg?id=c0636620-5d1a-49fe-9517-2db6b5550cfe&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2017/Topps---Rediscover-Topps-Buybacks---Bronze/1978-712/Bobby-Valentine.jpg?id=20a6192c-9843-44a3-bfa0-c78b96d4ea70&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2002/Topps-Chrome---Base---Gold-Refractor/289/Bobby-Valentine.jpg?id=7d69c301-bed4-4c0b-bf44-571d47a9e15c&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2017/Topps---Rediscover-Topps-Buybacks---Bronze/1993-324/Willie-Randolph.jpg?id=89f53fa4-50bf-45d5-bd2f-c8dd51a07c82&size=original[/IMG][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2008/Topps-New-York-Mets-Gift-Set---Base/1/Willie-Randolph.jpg?id=e2fcc9a0-609e-4a36-b156-a60b700882fd&size=original[/IMG]



    [IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/2010/Topps-Chrome---National-Chicle-Chrome---Blue-Refractor/CC35/Carlos-Beltran.jpg?id=cce87506-4357-4dca-8206-c300e1742bcf&size=original[/IMG] ??????

    Edgy MD
    Nov 01 2019 11:10 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    The Dominoes patch.

    Centerfield
    Nov 01 2019 11:47 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Edgy, do you remember writing a post about Mike Cubbage's name? I forget what player you used as an example, but you used it to describe ex-Cubs.



    "I'm coming around on Shawon Dunston, but at times it's hard to root for him given how much Cubbage he retains."



    I stiill think about that every time I see that name.

    Edgy MD
    Nov 01 2019 12:07 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    If I invoked Shawon Dunston, that was a long time ago, but yeah, I pretty much have understood the name "Cubbage" that way since, like, 1978.

    G-Fafif
    Nov 01 2019 12:25 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    The murmurs are coalescing around Beltran as manager, Collins as bench coach. No shouts yet.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Nov 01 2019 12:56 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    The murmurs are coalescing around Beltran as manager, Collins as bench coach. No shouts yet.


    I predicted that!



    Stupid Fred


    Johnny Lunchbucket in one of the 50 other manager threads wrote:

    I think Terry could come back as Beltran's bench coach, were they to go in that direction.



    Not that I'd recommend they do

    G-Fafif
    Nov 01 2019 01:10 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    DiComo is now reporting Beltran is the choice.

    G-Fafif
    Nov 01 2019 01:13 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Rosenthal on it, too. Looks real.



    Carlos Beltran, manager, New York Mets.

    kcmets
    Nov 01 2019 01:14 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Just got a BR alert so you know it's true!!

    seawolf17
    Nov 01 2019 01:15 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm all in, baby! I love the Beltran/Collins pairing.

    Edgy MD
    Nov 01 2019 01:18 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Wow, who'd've thunk it?



    All respect to Gabe Kapler and Frank Robinson, but I tend to think that former outfielders get even fewer managerial jobs than former pitchers. Beltran would be the first former outfielder to manage the Mets since ... Casey Stengel!! (Interim 1983 manager Frank Howard was also primarily an outfielder.)

    HahnSolo
    Nov 01 2019 01:19 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I could do without Terry's return, tbh.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Nov 01 2019 01:32 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =HahnSolo post_id=25731 time=1572635983 user_id=63]
    I could do without Terry's return, tbh.



    Yabbut Beltran can't. He's already on record saying he'd need an experienced coach to succeed. I don;t like this one bit.

    Frayed Knot
    Nov 01 2019 01:40 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Don't like Beltran or don't like a tacked-on Terry?





    oe: nevermind. you pretty much answered it in another thread.

    MFS62
    Nov 01 2019 04:40 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    I'm all in, baby! I love the Beltran/Collins pairing.


    It is a great opportunity. He couldn't let it go by.

    (see what I did there?)



    Later

    A Boy Named Seo
    Jan 16 2020 11:18 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    *bump*



    What a damn mess. Still have to replace Mickey but now the Mets likely have a coaching staff with dudes Beltran must've helped assemble. What to do now?

    Benjamin Grimm
    Jan 16 2020 11:20 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Eduardo Perez. That's my guess.

    Centerfield
    Jan 16 2020 11:35 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    In the end, integrity is the most important thing. A manager is the face of the franchise, and that person must be of the highest character.



    Let's hire Wally Backman.

    Willets Point
    Jan 16 2020 11:38 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Alex Cora is available.

    stevejrogers
    Jan 16 2020 11:44 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Mend fences and bring in Alfonso.



    Except for potentially enter Cooperstown as the skipper and with the Met scripted interlocking NY on the plaque, and more beloved among the fan base, he does check off the list of things it seemed the Mets wanted out of the Beltrán hire.

    seawolf17
    Jan 16 2020 12:30 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =stevejrogers post_id=29880 time=1579200253 user_id=57]
    Mend fences and bring in Alfonso.



    What if this was the plan THE WHOLE TIME and that's why they took him out of Brooklyn?!?! WHAT DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?

    Edgy MD
    Jan 16 2020 12:41 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm not outright predicting, but don't be shocked if John Franco is asked to ride in on a white horse.

    seawolf17
    Jan 16 2020 12:42 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    No, that would definitely be pretty shocking.

    Centerfield
    Jan 16 2020 12:52 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

    Mets by the Numbers has officially endorsed Tim Bogar, even though he's behind in Iowa.


    Still available.

    Edgy MD
    Jan 16 2020 01:03 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    =seawolf17 post_id=29901 time=1579203740 user_id=91]No, that would definitely be pretty shocking.



    And I'm telling you to brace yourself.



    Two of the most Wilponian traits in my book:



    1. Over-correcting. In wanting to project integrity, he would look to Franco, who he sees as a New Yorker's New Yorker and the soul of integrity, and is certain the press will receive it as such. Did I mention that he went to Lafayette High?



    2. Wanting to be a populist, but misreading the fan base. Related to (1), in Wilpon's eyes, John Franco is wildly popular with the fans, forcing everyone to break into New Yawk accents as they shout his name. They associate him with the joy of great Mets times, the hard dignity of tough Mets times, and happy, YGB embodiment of all things Metly. In Wilpon's eyes.



    The Mets are in a tough spot, and like Big Enos said to Little Enos about The Ice Man, at this moment, Big Wilpon is tellling Little Wilpon that Franco has always come through for them, and always will.

    TransMonk
    Jan 16 2020 01:32 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm on the bring-back-Collins-back boat.

    seawolf17
    Jan 16 2020 01:45 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14578484/2011/12/bobby-valentine.jpg>

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Jan 16 2020 01:49 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

    Mets by the Numbers has officially endorsed Tim Bogar, even though he's behind in Iowa.


    Still available.

    That would be so funny.



    I think they will go with Collins but I'd like to see 'em go Bogar.

    Frayed Knot
    Jan 16 2020 01:51 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I'm wondering if the Mets -- or anyone for that matter seeing as how there are suddenly now THREE teams in search of managers despite it being mid-January -- go with a 'safe' choice like

    Showalter even though I can't remember if anyone even gave him a sniff during managerial sweepstakes time back in October/November. Cuz when your first choice turns out to be crooked,

    the way to go just might be to hire the guy who gets upset when players wear their hats crooked.

    And if you're Boston & Houston, can you really give it to whatever bench coach in waiting you've got on your staff as if HE wasn't also aware of what was going on?

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Jan 16 2020 01:53 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Given that we're 3+ weeks from spring training, Collins makes sense. Been there, done that and all. Still a member of the org and Fred and the writers all like him. I'm not his biggest suppotrter but there's some comfort there.



    In the biz world, this kind of thing happens all the time. When a CEO leaves suddenly they often bring in his predecessor in off the board, at least to start.



    But given they just finished interviewing a few months ago if BoGo made a good impression then maybe they ask him back.

    Benjamin Grimm
    Jan 16 2020 02:10 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    That's also the argument for Eduardo Perez. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned to whoever their second choice was back in the fall, if he's still available (and interested).

    Benjamin Grimm
    Jan 16 2020 02:12 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Ken Rosenthal wrote:
    #Mets coach Luis Rojas under consideration for managerial vacancy, sources tell The Athletic.

    MFS62
    Jan 16 2020 03:42 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Considering the Wilpons' reputation for throwing nickels around like manhole covers, I'll just guess it is someone already on the payroll.

    Collins and Perez are in that category.

    Later

    nymr83
    Jan 16 2020 04:17 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Edgy MD wrote:

    I'm not outright predicting, but don't be shocked if John Franco is asked to ride in on a white horse.


    David Wright would be far more likely on the 'ex player' list, especially considering the "they are already paying him" angle

    MFS62
    Jan 16 2020 05:03 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager


    Edgy MD wrote:

    I'm not outright predicting, but don't be shocked if John Franco is asked to ride in on a white horse.


    David Wright would be far more likely on the 'ex player' list, especially considering the "they are already paying him" angle


    Heaven help us!

    But speaking of that, if they want someone squeaky clean, a great motivator, and already on the payroll, how about Tim Teb .... I can't finish that.



    Later

    Mex17
    Jan 16 2020 05:07 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager



    Edgy MD wrote:

    I'm not outright predicting, but don't be shocked if John Franco is asked to ride in on a white horse.


    David Wright would be far more likely on the 'ex player' list, especially considering the "they are already paying him" angle


    Heaven help us!

    But speaking of that, if they want someone squeaky clean, a great motivator, and already on the payroll, how about Tim Teb .... I can't finish that.



    Later



    At least Tebow gets his number back.

    Frayed Knot
    Jan 16 2020 05:18 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Frayed Knot wrote:

    I'm wondering if the Mets -- or anyone for that matter seeing as how there are suddenly now THREE teams in search of managers despite it being mid-January -- go with a 'safe' choice like

    Showalter even though I can't remember if anyone even gave him a sniff during managerial sweepstakes time back in October/November. Cuz when your first choice turns out to be crooked,

    the way to go just might be to hire the guy who gets upset when players wear their hats crooked.


    And, as if on cue, Houston is talking to Showalter

    Mex17
    Jan 16 2020 05:31 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    Frayed Knot wrote:

    Frayed Knot wrote:

    I'm wondering if the Mets -- or anyone for that matter seeing as how there are suddenly now THREE teams in search of managers despite it being mid-January -- go with a 'safe' choice like

    Showalter even though I can't remember if anyone even gave him a sniff during managerial sweepstakes time back in October/November. Cuz when your first choice turns out to be crooked,

    the way to go just might be to hire the guy who gets upset when players wear their hats crooked.


    And, as if on cue, Houston is talking to Showalter


    That's the best fit for him I think. Houston is a total clean slate being that they are without a GM too, and we know that Showalter wants total authority.



    They are also ground zero for the entire thing as well, so they need the radical culture change the most.

    Mex17
    Jan 16 2020 05:34 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I am already hearing talk that Boston is going to take a look at Meulens. So the Mets, who did not directly participate in or benefit from either of the two scandals, could be the team that is without a manager AND a bench coach with a month to go before Spring Training.

    TransMonk
    Jan 16 2020 07:45 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I hope that the Mets would consider Meulens, too.

    nymr83
    Jan 16 2020 08:01 PM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager



    Edgy MD wrote:

    I'm not outright predicting, but don't be shocked if John Franco is asked to ride in on a white horse.


    David Wright would be far more likely on the 'ex player' list, especially considering the "they are already paying him" angle


    Heaven help us!

    But speaking of that, if they want someone squeaky clean, a great motivator, and already on the payroll, how about Tim Teb .... I can't finish that.



    Later


    that would officially be the biggest LOLMets move ever and the LOLMETS meme would have to be put to bed because nothing could ever top it.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Jan 17 2020 07:15 AM
    Re: Replacing Mickey: The Quest for a New Mets Manager

    I don't care if Hensley Muelens is our bench coach or not.