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Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Edgy MD Oct 16 2019 08:58 PM

If you get brought up mid-season, you don't get the chance to have a full rookie season measured against the league or against history, but the next year your rookie eligibility is spent. So here's the rookie years of such persons in Metdom, if you measure their rookie season as beginning the day they come up and ending a calendar year later. Jeff McNeil, =#FF8000]July 24, 2018—July 23, 2019 [th]G [/th] [th]PA [/th] [th]AB [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]2B [/th] [th]3B [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]RBI [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]IBB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]SH [/th] [th]SF [/th] [th]GDP [/th] [th]SB [/th] [th]CS [/th] [th]BA [/th] [th]OBP [/th] [th]SLG [/th] [th]OPS[/th] 149 614 558 84 188 37 7 12 60 33 3 72 19 4 0 5 11 6 .337 .393 .493 .886

That batting average would have led the league in either of the two seasons he straddled there. Rookies who've won a batting average title (at least since 1900) is a two-man club: Tony Oliva and Ichiro Suzuki.



His hit total would have been the 11th best in Mets history, and the most for any Mets rookie by 30.



His hit-by pitch total would have been the sixth-highest ever garnered by a rookie (but not a Mets record, as Pete Alonso got hit by 21 this season).



David Wright, =#FF8000]July 21, 2004—July 20, 2005

[th]G [/th]	[th]PA [/th]	[th]AB [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]2B [/th]	[th]3B [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]RBI [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]IBB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]SH [/th]	[th]SF [/th]	[th]GDP [/th]	[th]SB [/th]	[th]CS [/th]	[th]BA [/th]	[th]OBP [/th]	[th]SLG [/th]	[th]OPS[/th]
	161		653		589		95		171		40		2		28		87		54		0		104		7		0		3		16		14		4		.290		.355		.508		.863

Looks like it wasn't Darryl Strawberry's rookie homer record that Peter Alonso broke, although once we give the same treatment to Strawberry tomorrow, he's probably going to show 30 or more. But look at Sugar's double total! Mets rookie record to this day!

Centerfield Oct 17 2019 09:32 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

How do you compile that data?

batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2019 10:06 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

=Centerfield post_id=24612 time=1571326367 user_id=65] How do you compile that data?

I like this thread. And I was thinking the same thing when I first read it, last night. How does one compile this data? There's obviously some site where you can punch in a date on some calendar like icon and get the season stats through that date. But where?

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 11:55 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

When you review a player's game logs on Baseball-Reference, you can scroll to a date and get the player's career statistics up to and including that date. So I go to the day before the first anniversary of the player's promotion, and BOOM! chaka-laka-laka ... It isn't enough just to waste time on the Mets. You've got to COMMIT.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 12:05 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Looks like Straw had been the Mets rookie homerun record-holder up to this season after all. Darryl Strawberry, =#FF8000]May 6, 1983—May 5, 1984 [th]G [/th] [th]PA [/th] [th]AB [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]2B [/th] [th]3B [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]RBI [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]IBB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]SH [/th] [th]SF [/th] [th]GDP [/th] [th]SB [/th] [th]CS [/th] [th]BA [/th] [th]OBP [/th] [th]SLG [/th] [th]OPS[/th] 146 573 506 77 138 22 7 31 88 61 13 144 4 0 2 5 25 8 .273 .354 .528 .882

Look at that low HbP total compared to P-Bear and Squirrelly's rookie totals.

G-Fafif Oct 17 2019 12:20 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Young Darryl legging out those triples! I saw one of them, plus a homer, live in June of ‘83. Felt like the future was pulling into third base.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 12:37 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

He was the backup centerfielder back then also.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 01:02 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Let's take a look at the sort-of rookie seasons of the Dan Warthen-era starting pitchers. Matt Harvey=#FF8000], July 26, 2012–July 25, 2013 [th]W [/th] [th]L [/th] [th]G [/th] [th]GS [/th] [th]CG [/th] [th]SHO [/th] [th]GF [/th] [th]SV [/th] [th]IP [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]ER [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]ERA [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]WP [/th] [th]BK[/th] [th]WHIP [/th] [th]H9 [/th] [th]HR9 [/th] [th]BB9 [/th] [th]SO9 [/th] [th]SO/W[/th] 11 7 30 30 0 0 0 0 196.33 136 53 52 54 227 12 2.38 5 5 0 0.968 6.2 0.6 2.5 10.4 4.2

Zack Wheeler=#FF8000], June 13, 2013–June 12, 2014

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	9		11		30		30		0		0		0		0		173.00		161		80		72		77		159		15		3.75		7		11		0		1.376		8.4		0.8		4.0		8.3		2.1

Jacob deGrom=#FF8000], May 15, 2014–May 13, 2015

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		10		29		29		0		0		0		0		182.00		160		62		58		55		181		13		2.87		3		2		0		1.181		7.9		0.6		2.7		9.0		3.3

Noah Syndergaard=#FF8000], May 12, 2015–May 11, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		9		31		31		0		0		0		0		196.33		165		73		67		40		221		22		3.07		4		9		0		1.044		7.6		1.0		1.8		10.1		5.5

Steven Matz=#FF8000], June 28, 2015–June 27, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	11		3		19		19		0		0		0		0		112.33		110		40		37		25		107		10		2.96		3		3		0		1.202		8.8		0.8		2.0		8.6		4.3

batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2019 01:26 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Holy moley! I knew Matz was a stud when he first came up. But check out that WHIP. Is that a typo?

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 01:42 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Double-checking ... YES! Bad calculating. [fimg=500]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/376/962/89b.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 01:51 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

In short, it turns out that I had a constant in place where I should have had a variable. Apologies. Matt Harvey=#FF8000], July 26, 2012–July 25, 2013 [th]W [/th] [th]L [/th] [th]G [/th] [th]GS [/th] [th]CG [/th] [th]SHO [/th] [th]GF [/th] [th]SV [/th] [th]IP [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]ER [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]ERA [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]WP [/th] [th]BK[/th] [th]WHIP [/th] [th]H9 [/th] [th]HR9 [/th] [th]BB9 [/th] [th]SO9 [/th] [th]SO/W[/th] 11 7 30 30 0 0 0 0 196.33 136 53 52 54 227 12 2.38 5 5 0 0.968 6.2 0.6 2.5 10.4 4.2

Zack Wheeler=#FF8000], June 13, 2013–June 12, 2014

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	9		11		30		30		0		0		0		0		173.00		161		80		72		77		159		15		3.75		7		11		0		1.376		8.4		0.8		4.0		8.3		2.1

Jacob deGrom=#FF8000], May 15, 2014–May 13, 2015

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		10		29		29		0		0		0		0		182.00		160		62		58		55		181		13		2.87		3		2		0		1.181		7.9		0.6		2.7		9.0		3.3

Noah Syndergaard=#FF8000], May 12, 2015–May 11, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		9		31		31		0		0		0		0		196.33		165		73		67		40		221		22		3.07		4		9		0		1.044		7.6		1.0		1.8		10.1		5.5

Steven Matz=#FF8000], June 28, 2015–June 27, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	11		3		19		19		0		0		0		0		112.33		110		40		37		25		107		10		2.96		3		3		0		1.202		8.8		0.8		2.0		8.6		4.3

LWFS Oct 18 2019 06:34 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Matz' K/9 is also funked up.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2019 09:47 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Stupid stupid constants and variables. I was only able to suss out the data up to the balk column. So I added those rate columns for Harvey. Once they worked good, I pasted them into the other player's profiles, but they all were divided by Harvey's innings load. I will fixee. It really shouldn't be this hard for me. I think my brain is atrophying.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2019 10:24 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

OK, this should be accurate. If it is, I'll replace the two table fails above. What jumps out is all the pounding of the strike zone they were all doing, except Wheeler. I like to think that's Bartolo's influence. It's probably more likely to be Warthen, or somebody they all met in the development pipeline, like Regan or Al Jackson, or Frank Viola. But Wheels was injured for a big chunk of Bartolomania, so I'm thinking it's Colón. Matt Harvey=#FF8000], July 26, 2012–July 25, 2013 [th]W [/th] [th]L [/th] [th]G [/th] [th]GS [/th] [th]CG [/th] [th]SHO [/th] [th]GF [/th] [th]SV [/th] [th]IP [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]ER [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]ERA [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]WP [/th] [th]BK[/th] [th]WHIP [/th] [th]H9 [/th] [th]HR9 [/th] [th]BB9 [/th] [th]SO9 [/th] [th]SO/W[/th] 11 7 30 30 0 0 0 0 196.33 136 53 52 54 227 12 2.38 5 5 0 0.968 6.2 0.6 2.5 10.4 4.2

Zack Wheeler=#FF8000], June 13, 2013–June 12, 2014

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	9		11		30		30		0		0		0		0		173.00		161		80		72		77		159		15		3.75		7		11		0		1.376		8.4		0.8		4.0		8.3		2.1

Jacob deGrom=#FF8000], May 15, 2014–May 13, 2015

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		10		29		29		0		0		0		0		182.00		160		62		58		55		181		13		2.87		3		2		0		1.181		7.9		0.6		2.7		9.0		3.3

Noah Syndergaard=#FF8000], May 12, 2015–May 11, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	12		9		31		31		0		0		0		0		196.33		165		73		67		40		221		22		3.07		4		9		0		1.044		7.6		1.0		1.8		10.1		5.5

Steven Matz=#FF8000], June 28, 2015–June 27, 2016

[th]W [/th]	[th]L [/th]	[th]G [/th]	[th]GS [/th]	[th]CG [/th]	[th]SHO [/th]	[th]GF [/th]	[th]SV [/th]	[th]IP [/th]	[th]H [/th]	[th]R [/th]	[th]ER [/th]	[th]BB [/th]	[th]SO [/th]	[th]HR [/th]	[th]ERA [/th]	[th]HBP [/th]	[th]WP [/th]	[th]BK[/th]	[th]WHIP [/th]	[th]H9 [/th]	[th]HR9 [/th]	[th]BB9 [/th]	[th]SO9 [/th]	[th]SO/W[/th]
	11		3		19		19		0		0		0		0		112.33		110		40		37		25		107		10		2.96		3		3		0		1.202		8.8		0.8		2.0		8.6		4.3

Edgy MD Oct 18 2019 08:33 PM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Name the Met who owns this sort-of rookie season: [th]G [/th] [th]PA [/th] [th]AB [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]2B [/th] [th]3B [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]RBI [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]IBB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]SH [/th] [th]SF [/th] [th]GDP [/th] [th]SB [/th] [th]CS [/th] [th]BA [/th] [th]OBP [/th] [th]SLG [/th] [th]OPS[/th] 162 663 587 102 167 24 7 18 97 68 5 131 2 0 6 22 10 7 .284 .357 .441 .799

LWFS Oct 19 2019 12:52 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Wigginton?

Edgy MD Oct 19 2019 08:30 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Not Wigs. Good guess. I'd take this moment to lay out the Wigginstats, but my wife says we have to "do something." Sort-of Rookie Seasons is something, Baby!

Edgy MD Oct 24 2019 09:30 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Edgy MD wrote: Name the Met who owns this sort-of rookie season: [th]G [/th] [th]PA [/th] [th]AB [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]2B [/th] [th]3B [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]RBI [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]IBB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]SH [/th] [th]SF [/th] [th]GDP [/th] [th]SB [/th] [th]CS [/th] [th]BA [/th] [th]OBP [/th] [th]SLG [/th] [th]OPS[/th] 162 663 587 102 167 24 7 18 97 68 5 131 2 0 6 22 10 7 .284 .357 .441 .799

This 162-game rookie/not-rookie season was brought to you by ... Steve Henderson!



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His actual rookie season, though only 99 games, was enough to leave him only a hair behind Andre Dawson in the Rookie of the Year voting.




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[th]Rank[/th]	[th]Name[/th]	[th]Tm[/th]	[th]Pts[/th]
[TD]1[/TD]		Andre Dawson[/TD]	[TD]MON[/TD]	[TD]10.0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]	[TD]Steve Henderson[/TD]	[TD]NYM[/TD]	[TD]9.0[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]	[TD]Gene Richards[/TD]	[TD]SDP[/TD]	[TD]4.0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]	[TD]Floyd Bannister[/TD]	[TD]HOU[/TD]	[TD]1.0

For a few minutes there, it looked like the Tom Seaver trade, as unpopular as it was, might be a trade the Mets would win.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 24 2019 10:23 AM Re: Sort-of Rookie Seasons

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Name the Met who owns this sort-of rookie season: [th]G [/th] [th]PA [/th] [th]AB [/th] [th]R [/th] [th]H [/th] [th]2B [/th] [th]3B [/th] [th]HR [/th] [th]RBI [/th] [th]BB [/th] [th]IBB [/th] [th]SO [/th] [th]HBP [/th] [th]SH [/th] [th]SF [/th] [th]GDP [/th] [th]SB [/th] [th]CS [/th] [th]BA [/th] [th]OBP [/th] [th]SLG [/th] [th]OPS[/th] 162 663 587 102 167 24 7 18 97 68 5 131 2 0 6 22 10 7 .284 .357 .441 .799 This 162-game rookie/not-rookie season was brought to you by ... Steve Henderson! [FIMG=500]https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/s81AHzW7qlhbqky1Tw4s7OcWVZ8=/800x479/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZNGLOWT7OZFBVMB6TFBIVRY744.jpg[/FIMG] His actual rookie season, though only 99 games, was enough to leave him only a hair behind Andre Dawson in the Rookie of the Year voting. [TABLE][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][TR][/TR][TR][/TABLE] [th]Rank[/th] [th]Name[/th] [th]Tm[/th] [th]Pts[/th] [TD]1[/TD] Andre Dawson[/TD] [TD]MON[/TD] [TD]10.0[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]Steve Henderson[/TD] [TD]NYM[/TD] [TD]9.0[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]Gene Richards[/TD] [TD]SDP[/TD] [TD]4.0[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]Floyd Bannister[/TD] [TD]HOU[/TD] [TD]1.0 For a few minutes there, it looked like the Tom Seaver trade, as unpopular as it was, might be a trade the Mets would win.

I had a feeling it might've been Henderson. You hardly ever hear talk anymore about Henderson's wondrous magical first five or six months as a Met.



For a few minutes there, it looked like the Tom Seaver trade, as unpopular as it was, might be a trade the Mets would win.