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Managerial poll Part Deux

Joe Girardi

10 votes

Carlos Beltran

7 votes

Eduardo Perez

2 votes

Mike Bell

0 votes

Derek Shelton

0 votes

Tim Bogar

1 votes

Mex17 Oct 17 2019 03:31 PM

Let's do this again with the updated list of likely candidates.

kcmets Oct 17 2019 03:50 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I haven't been keeping up, is Edgardo Alfonso an absolute no go at this point?

Mex17 Oct 17 2019 04:54 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 05:06 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

What did he do to earn that adjective?

G-Fafif Oct 17 2019 05:53 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Luis Rojas also interviewing.

Ceetar Oct 17 2019 06:00 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=Mex17 post_id=24662 time=1571352864 user_id=67] Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable.

Look, I'm going to need the transcript of the interview you've used to conclusively make this determination.

41Forever Oct 17 2019 06:21 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I read somewhere that Girardi has already been interviewed. What the story didn't mention was that the interview probably took place in June .....

kcmets Oct 17 2019 06:49 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=kcmets post_id=24661 time=1571349022 user_id=53] I haven't been keeping up, is Edgardo Alfonso an absolute no go at this point?

Fonz not welcomed back to Brooklyn today so I guess he's not welcome in Flushing

either. But thanks for ignoring me anyways.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 08:57 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=41Forever post_id=24668 time=1571358089 user_id=69] I read somewhere that Girardi has already been interviewed. What the story didn't mention was that the interview probably took place in June .....

Are you referring to that MLB Network (or maybe FOX) game this summer where Girardi could say enough raving things about the Mets?

Mex17 Oct 18 2019 04:36 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable. Look, I'm going to need the transcript of the interview you've used to conclusively make this determination. "Hi Brodie and Jeff I was a really good player and now I want to be manager but not just manager of anybody but manager of the Mets who are in New York and have a lot of extra distractions and media coverage that I would have to deal with and not only have I never been a manager anywhere not even in the minor leagues but I have not even been a coach anywhere on any level whatsoever and even though all of these other people are way way way more qualified than me I was a good player and I want to be manager so I am entitled to be manager because I was a good player so make me manager!!!!!!!"

Mex17 Oct 18 2019 04:40 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable. Look, I'm going to need the transcript of the interview you've used to conclusively make this determination. "Hi Brodie and Jeff I was a really good player and now I want to be manager but not just manager of anybody but manager of the Mets who are in New York and have a lot of extra distractions and media coverage that I would have to deal with and not only have I never been a manager anywhere not even in the minor leagues but I have not even been a coach anywhere on any level whatsoever and even though all of these other people are way way way more qualified than me I was a good player and I want to be manager so I am entitled to be manager because I was a good player so make me manager!!!!!!!"

41Forever Oct 18 2019 06:19 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Edgy MD wrote: =41Forever post_id=24668 time=1571358089 user_id=69] I read somewhere that Girardi has already been interviewed. What the story didn't mention was that the interview probably took place in June ..... Are you referring to that MLB Network (or maybe FOX) game this summer where Girardi could say enough raving things about the Mets?

That, and I was wondering if they haven't been having back channel discussions since then.

Ceetar Oct 18 2019 07:33 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable. Look, I'm going to need the transcript of the interview you've used to conclusively make this determination. "Hi Brodie and Jeff I was a really good player and now I want to be manager but not just manager of anybody but manager of the Mets who are in New York and have a lot of extra distractions and media coverage that I would have to deal with and not only have I never been a manager anywhere not even in the minor leagues but I have not even been a coach anywhere on any level whatsoever and even though all of these other people are way way way more qualified than me I was a good player and I want to be manager so I am entitled to be manager because I was a good player so make me manager!!!!!!!" lol okay. first, GREAT. not really good. Second, you're implying he can't handle NY which is obviously untrue. Third, a long pedigree of grinding away in the minors is not really the mandatory track anymore, hasn't been for a bit now. "I want someone with a track record" is not equal to "unacceptable"

nymr83 Oct 18 2019 08:35 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

If these are the choices, I want Girardi. I don't want a first time manager or a puppet for the player agent running the show, who I already don't like.

Ceetar Oct 18 2019 08:46 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=nymr83 post_id=24692 time=1571409331 user_id=54] If these are the choices, I want Girardi. I don't want a first time manager or a puppet for the player agent running the show, who I already don't like.

I hate to break it to you, but whoever gets hired will generally be someone Brodie finds agreeable.

Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2019 09:16 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

No Joe Espada?

kcmets Oct 18 2019 09:18 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

At 175 lbs, Espada doesn't weigh in.

Mex17 Oct 18 2019 10:06 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Lefty Specialist wrote: No Joe Espada? I'm basing the choices off of actual reports of who they are considering. No mentions yet of Espada beyond fan speculation, but maybe that is because the Astros are still playing?

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 18 2019 01:40 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Word is Padres 1B coach Skip Schumaker has also interviewed. Some other guy on Twitter speculates that the Phillies are closing in on Girardi.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2019 01:42 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I guess it's kind of typical for teams to alternate to some extent, going back and forth between first-time managers and experienced guys.

Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2019 02:08 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Don't want Girardi. No more ex-MFY managers.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2019 02:22 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Off the top of my head... Stengel, Berra, Green... I think that's it, right? (Not counting Torre, who managed the Mets before going to the Yankees.)

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2019 02:23 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 18 2019 02:42 PM

Girardi's Yanquiness or not has no bearing with me. Either they think he'll do a good job or they don't. The assumption all along, especially once became apparent that Maddon was headed elsewhere, was that Girardi and the Cubs were the perfect fit. That Chicago guys seem to love Chicago -- JG went to HS in Peoria, then to Northwestern, and then played seven seasons on the North side -- is the basis for much of the speculation, although Rahm Emmanuel quickly found out that his dream job (he said that being Mayor of Chicago was the one job he'd leave national politics to take) wasn't so dreamy after all so maybe that old, 'Don't wish too hard, you just may get it', adage applies.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2019 02:25 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Lefty Specialist wrote: Don't want Girardi. No more ex-MFY managers. Dallas Green

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2019 02:25 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Off the top of my head... Stengel, Berra, Green... I think that's it, right? (Not counting Torre, who managed the Mets before going to the Yankees.) Dallas Green

Mex17 Oct 18 2019 02:30 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Off the top of my head... Stengel, Berra, Green... I think that's it, right? (Not counting Torre, who managed the Mets before going to the Yankees.) Willie.

G-Fafif Oct 18 2019 02:37 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Willie never managed the MFYs. Only seems like he did.

whippoorwill Oct 18 2019 04:44 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=Mex17 post_id=24662 time=1571352864 user_id=67] Girardi is a cut above. Perez/Bell/Shelton/Bogar are all completely acceptable. Beltran is completely unacceptable.

Maybe he mistakenly got this backwards.



You know Mex , maybe it's just cos I'm older, but I think you are handsomer now than back then

batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2019 05:07 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Off the top of my head... Stengel, Berra, Green... I think that's it, right? (Not counting Torre, who managed the Mets before going to the Yankees.) Willie. =G-Fafif post_id=24738 time=1571431062 user_id=55] Willie never managed the MFYs. Only seems like he did.

eff Wilpon was the only MLB owner dumb enough to ever let Willie Randolph manage his team. What a fucking idiot. Or maybe he was kissing MLB's ass because Bud Selig wanted black managers. It's so long ago, I'm forgetting. But it paid off because the 'Pons get to keep their team even though they're running it like they play in Toledo and are using Mets money to pay off Madoff debt. Which they're allowed to do because it's their team even though the same rules didn't apply to McCourt.

41Forever Oct 18 2019 05:31 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Tracky is saying Girardi is most likely headed to the Phillies.

Edgy MD Oct 21 2019 08:23 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Did he bet another Speedo modeling session on it?

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 22 2019 04:26 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I've convinced myself it's gonna be Tim Bogar. * He'll be coming with the pixie dust of Houston's success (also has coached with Texas, Boston, Seattle) * he actually has some managerial experience (he finished out the 2014 season skippering the Rangers after Ron Washington was canned--he went 14-8!) * has front-office experience as an assistant to Jerry DiPoto * Minor league manager of the year 3X * Has experience getting a good performance out of Robinson Cano (Seattle's bench coach to Scott Servais) * he's an original Met (7th round draft of 87) and is the grandfather of the club's longest active Trade Chain -- Traded to Houston in 1997 for Luis Lopez Lopez went to Milwaukee for Bill Pulsipher Pulsipher went to Arizona for Lenny Harris Harris went to Milwaukee for Jeromy Burnitz Burnitz was traded to the Dodgers for Victor Diaz Diaz was traded to Texas for Mike Nickeas Nickeas was included in the Syndergaard deal

Centerfield Oct 22 2019 07:59 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

So I guess the criticism of Girardi was that he was too intense. Maybe for the media and the front office. This blurb from the Times when he was fired: Though Cashman and Girardi have divergent personalities and far different interests, they had generally enjoyed a strong working relationship. “I think he knows that he can speak his mind in a constructive way with me, and I can speak my mind in a constructive way with him,” Cashman said at the start of the 2016 season. “There's an openness that is encouraged here. I acquire the talent, and Joe deploys the talent, and sometimes you'll have disagreements on players' capabilities that I've acquired or strategies that he's employing. “You've got to be able to work through those in a healthy manner to have a successful manager-general-manager relationship, and I'm proud to say we have that,” Cashman added. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/sports/baseball/joe-girardi-fired-yankees.html I'm guessing that someone as intense as Girardi, opinionated and having the track record to back it up, is someone that BroPon will want no part of. I'm guessing they stall until Girardi takes another job, which will give them cover to hire another puppet.

Vic Sage Oct 22 2019 08:17 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

bingo. I'm steeling myself for the arrival of the Booger.

Centerfield Oct 24 2019 10:09 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Now that Girardi has taken the Phillies job, expect the Mets to wrap this up with one of the first-time candidates pretty quickly. *We felt Joe Girardi was a great option, but we wanted to be thorough, and when we were ready to make a decision, Joe was no longer available. We wish him the best in Philadelphia. *In the end, it didn't make a difference, FIRST TIME MANAGER was our top choice. And we look forward to [CROSSOUT]controlling his every move[/CROSSOUT] seeing what he brings to the table.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 24 2019 10:54 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Eh. I believe if the Mets really liked Girardi most they could have/would have gotten him. Presuming they wind up with another 1st timer, what this does is to introduce the specter for any 2020 Met managerial criticism to be viewed in the context of eschewing the most experienced candidate. But that's a tough hook to hang a big decision on

batmagadanleadoff Oct 24 2019 11:04 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I eliminated Joe Girardi from getting the Mets manager gig about seven seconds after I heard he was (allegedly) a candidate. They're gonna hire another Mickey Callaway. He'll be different, but the same.

41Forever Oct 24 2019 11:28 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Tracky's comments on the podcast were interesting. Some of his notes: -- Girardi would have been a bad fit. He didn't get into the reasons too much, but did say it wasn't about money. -- Buck wasn't interviewed. -- He was really high on Beltran and Perez. He said Beltran was part of the fairly small contingent of MFY front office types that goes on the road in the post season, and was talking with Beltran a bit. He noted Beltran earned about $200 million and clearly doesn't need this or any other job and asked why he wanted it. He said he loves the game, loves connecting with and helping players. -- He said Perez is another highly respected person, and that he does have some experience managing in the minors -- mostly in Latin America -- and as a coach in the majors. -- He made a couple references to the "bombshell" and made some comments about looks. -- He said Mets fans on Twitter might have been clamoring for Girardi, but he dismisses them, saying they represent only a small group of fans. (The other host debated this.)

Ceetar Oct 24 2019 12:01 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I mean I'd rather have Maddon than Girardi if we're talking 'experienced managers' anyway. Maybe he just would rather golf in October.

41Forever Oct 24 2019 12:20 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Mike Silva @MikeSilvaMedia A very plugged in source told me that we all should put Tim Bogar as the favorite to get the #Mets job... not a definite but I would start doing research on him. #nymets #lgm

Ceetar Oct 24 2019 12:30 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

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Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 24 2019 12:38 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

=41Forever post_id=25129 time=1571941249 user_id=69] Mike Silva @MikeSilvaMedia A very plugged in source told me that we all should put Tim Bogar as the favorite to get the #Mets job... not a definite but I would start doing research on him. #nymets #lgm

Tell Silva I'm already I'm it for christ sakes. Me and Joel Sherman are leading the charge. BOGAR

Edgy MD Oct 24 2019 08:42 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

This has stretched out long enough. I thought today would be the day. There's only one more rest day in the World Series.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2019 08:51 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

If it's Tim Bogar or Bombshell Hinch, they'll have to wait for the Series to end.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2019 11:32 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Do you think Ventura would qualify as a bombshell? Todd Zeile? A managerial trade for Ron Gardenhire? (Has a manager been acquired through a trade since Pete Rose?) Nobody's actually even speculated about a second tour for Terry. Yikes!

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 25 2019 05:21 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I think Terry could come back as Beltran's bench coach, were they to go in that direction. Not that I'd recommend they do

HahnSolo Oct 25 2019 06:11 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Edgy MD wrote: Do you think Ventura would qualify as a bombshell? Todd Zeile? A managerial trade for Ron Gardenhire? (Has a manager been acquired through a trade since Pete Rose?) Nobody's actually even speculated about a second tour for Terry. Yikes! There's different levels of bombshell I presume. Is this a Met fan bombshell, or a national bombshell? Ron, Keith, Piazza, Wright...Met bombshells (I doubt anybody in Des Moines would even care). A national bombshell would probably be an ARod, Hinch, even a tony Larussa. Would Zeile and Ventura even be bombshell candidates to their families? Lou Piniella was acquired by Tampa Bay via trade.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2019 07:39 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Good call on Lou. I think there was even dickering goign on in that deal. Mike Piazza. There's a bomb. Valentine. H. Bomb. Bobby Cox. Nuclear megaton bomb.

Ceetar Oct 25 2019 09:19 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

the bomb already went off guys, Martino generated uber-engagement off that nonsense.

seawolf17 Oct 25 2019 09:26 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Jeez, Bobby V would be *perfect* for this team, wouldn't he? Wow.

kcmets Oct 25 2019 09:43 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I don't think Bobby V is up to the 9-10 months it takes to be an MLB manager at this point. Bobby Cox lolol...

seawolf17 Oct 25 2019 10:50 AM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

Maybe not, but *this* team? Young, likable players, with lots of position flexibility? Wowee.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2019 12:01 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I don't think Bobby V is up to the 9-10 months it takes to be an MLB manager at this point. I don't either, but the word "bombshell" just makes my mind race through available names. Ichiro Suzuki? Jerry Seinfeld? Barney Rubble? Hey, Bobby's advancing years are part of what would make it land with that sort of megatonnage.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 25 2019 12:14 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

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Lefty Specialist Oct 25 2019 12:41 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

I just can't figure why Beltran would want the job. He already has experience with the Wilpons so he knows how they work and how they undercut the front office and the manager. Why bother?

Edgy MD Oct 25 2019 09:51 PM Re: Managerial poll Part Deux

There's a lot of folks who have experience the Wilpons, who continue to work for them or return to work for them or associate with them or delight in the big league diversions of their baseball squad.