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In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist Sep 19 2019 01:56 PM

So, I'm thinking this may be a biiiiiit of a problem. Whistleblower Filed Complaint Over Multiple Trump Actions: Report The NYT says a complaint to top intelligence community officials about alleged conduct by the president involves more alleged incidents than first reported.

metsmarathon Sep 19 2019 02:08 PM Re: Politics 2019

but her emails....?

Lefty Specialist Sep 23 2019 06:41 AM Re: Politics 2019

Time for Nancy to get off her ass. If you're not going to impeach now, when are you? Time to put country over party. This sums it up nicely. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1175837129353650176.html

Benjamin Grimm Sep 23 2019 07:00 AM Re: Politics 2019

Lefty Specialist wrote: Time for Nancy to get off her ass. If you're not going to impeach now, when are you? Time to put country over party. I agree. It's hard to argue that we haven't passed the tipping point by now.

Lefty Specialist Sep 23 2019 07:45 AM Re: Politics 2019

I understand (but didn't agree with) the politics of her hanging back, and the fear of endangering the House by overreaching. But Trump is basically daring them to impeach now, and by not going forward they risk becoming complicit. I mean, he's on the phone browbeating a foreign country to concoct damaging information on his most serious 2020 opponent. Not impeaching calls the validity of our next election into question. And this is a call we KNOW about. How many times has he called Vladimir?

Ceetar Sep 23 2019 08:43 AM Re: Politics 2019

Lefty Specialist wrote: Not impeaching calls the validity of our next election into question. And this is a call we KNOW about. How many times has he called Vladimir? I already question the validity of our last election, and given that everyone has had 4 more years to perfect the corruption and we haven't done a think to counter it, I question 2020 as well.

Edgy MD Sep 23 2019 07:33 PM Re: Politics 2019

2016-2019: "NO COLLUSION!" 2019: "Hell YEAH, I was colluding!"

Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2019 05:52 AM Re: Politics 2019

Edgy MD wrote: 2016-2019: "NO COLLUSION!" 2019: "Hell YEAH, I was colluding!" Because he's been able to get away with it. It's no accident that the call to Ukraine came one day after Mueller's non-testimony, where nobody laid a glove on Trump.

Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2019 01:27 PM Re: Politics 2019

If looks could impeach..... https://static.wixstatic.com/media/6604a1_3fb76b90e5734c89b19baccd6947cd10~mv2.gif/v1/fit/w_300,h_300,al_c,q_80/file.gif>

Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2019 01:32 PM Re: Politics 2019

Looks like Ukraine was finally the straw that stiffened Nancy's back. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pelosi-announce-formal-impeachment-inquiry-trump-n1058251

kcmets Sep 24 2019 01:37 PM Re: Politics 2019

Looks like full blown impeachment inquiry will be announced at 5 PM by Pelosilly today. CNN regulars are all cumming all over each other. They have a house democratic counter going all afternoon up to 160 backers. Lock him up!! Where's Chuckles?? haha

Edgy MD Sep 24 2019 02:11 PM Re: Politics 2019

May Nancy take down Sluggo once and for all.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2019 02:28 PM Re: Politics 2019

Over at FOX, Judge Jeanine has abandoned him and called this a "monumental day."

Edgy MD Sep 24 2019 04:10 PM Re: Politics 2019

Question from My Cautious Side: Speaker Pelosi wouldn't have done this unless she had seen the phone call transcript, or what she confidently believed was a reasonable facsimile, right?

Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2019 05:00 PM Re: Politics 2019

Edgy MD wrote: Question from My Cautious Side: Speaker Pelosi wouldn't have done this unless she had seen the phone call transcript, or what she confidently believed was a reasonable facsimile, right? I'm guessing she knows a lot more than she's letting on, and so does Adam Schiff.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2019 05:12 PM Re: Politics 2019

I mean, if she believes we're in a different place today than we were two weeks ago, and the electorate can now get behind the effort, this must be known to be critically damning, right?

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 25 2019 06:06 AM Re: Politics 2019

I read where T reached out to her privately to make this thing go away, he may have been under the impression that she's his secret friend

Lefty Specialist Sep 25 2019 06:43 AM Re: Politics 2019

In a weird way, Pelosi's policy of hanging back on impeachment may have worked. Kind of a political rope-a-dope. After the Mueller testimony left Democrats holding the bag, impeachment looked like a dim prospect. Trump obviously thought so as well, because the very next day he made his extortion call to Ukraine. Unlike fuzzy obstruction of justice and Russian interference and emoluments violations that can be spun by Republicans, this one's pretty crystal-clear. Not that they won't try to muddy things up, but this one's simple enough to sell to the American public. It's an action clearly taken by Trump, not subordinates. It involves $400 million in taxpayer money. It directly involves a foreign country and a political rival. And suddenly the pressure will be on Republican senators, especially the ones up for re-election in 2020.

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 25 2019 10:25 AM Re: Politics 2019

I guess the release of the transcript is comparable to the summary of the Muller report in that it's the first and best spin, will dirtyup the discussion etc

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 25 2019 10:25 AM Re: Politics 2019

I'm doing it already as its not a transcript

Lefty Specialist Sep 25 2019 10:33 AM Re: Politics 2019

It's not a transcript, and surely it's been edited for ass-covering, but jeez, what they released is bad enough. He literally asks the leader of Ukraine to do him a favor. He mentions Biden a number of times. And just think, the whistleblower has far, far more than this. Remember, we're focused on this one call with Ukraine. There may be other things.

Vic Sage Sep 25 2019 10:54 AM Re: Politics 2019

The best part will be that, once hearings start, other actions he's taken will become part of the record, too, with testimony and evidence (including the Mueller report) that show a clear pattern of self-dealing and treason going back to the first election. Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out, which is why i so wanted this process to begin, regardless of whether the Senate follows up or not.

seawolf17 Sep 25 2019 12:29 PM Re: Politics 2019

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kcmets Sep 25 2019 01:42 PM Re: Politics 2019

fb quote from a local political argument: "So because you loose you want to change the game after it's been that way since our forefathers. Looser!" Looser never gets old. Anyone have that image of the guy with the sign at Shea?

Lefty Specialist Sep 26 2019 06:27 AM Re: Politics 2019

Things are moving at warp speed. The intelligence committees have now seen the whistle-blower's complaint and their reactions are somewhere between stunned and angry. Republicans are having a hard time keeping up. Kevin McCarthy was complaining that the 2016 election is over- but this was about the 2020 election that hasn't happened yet. Wondering when that first crack in the united Republican front will occur (Justin Amash doesn't count). Because over 100 Democrats have come out for impeachment since Monday; once a Republican or two does (especially in the Senate), it could be Katy-bar-the-door time. Mitch will have to give the vulnerable Senators (Collins, McSally, Tillis, Gardner and maybe more) the chance to 'vote their conscience' if only to save themselves. Popcorn! I need more popcorn!!!!!

Fman99 Sep 26 2019 07:06 AM Re: Politics 2019

They are cowards, the Republican Senators, and unless they've already announced their retirement, none of them will vote to impeach, for fear that it will rouse the 40-50% of their votes that come from racists and idiots (the "Trump base," maybe the most despicable group of Americans ever lumped together). Short of an anonymous vote, I don't see it ever happening. If we had term limits, and 1/3 of them were in their last term and knew it, well, then, it'd be a different story, wouldn't it? They will all vote to save their own skin, the same reason that many of them have gone along with this shit-ass for the last 3 years.

Ceetar Sep 26 2019 07:59 AM Re: Politics 2019

it's not the 40-50% of the vote from the 'trump base' (and it's way smaller than that) it's the guys giving their campaign money that are profiting off the racism and idiots. It'll all come tumbling down at one point. It'll be a seismic shift where everyone shifts to supporting some random other republican candidate for president, figuring that's their best bet at continued profit off American suffering. Part of the problem of course, is all the other guys suck too, which is part of why he got the nomination in the first place, so no one feels like there is a rallying point.

Willets Point Sep 26 2019 09:26 AM Re: Politics 2019

Any Republican who votes against impeachment will be handing their Democratic opponent in 2020, 2022, or 2024 all the material they need for their campaign ads.

seawolf17 Sep 26 2019 10:16 AM Re: Politics 2019

Willets Point wrote: Any Republican who votes against impeachment will be handing their Democratic opponent in 2020, 2022, or 2024 all the material they need for their campaign ads. Which is why Mitch will never allow it in the Senate. It doesn't look like they can stop that train in the House, which means OH YES IT'S FUCKING TIME, LEE ZELDIN, but it still means I don't think this is really going to "go anywhere" before November 2020.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2019 10:36 AM Re: Politics 2019

Should we make this a separate "In-Impeachment Thread"?

Johnny Lunchbucket Sep 26 2019 12:59 PM Re: Politics 2019

I've been receiving every ugly scandal for 3 years as potential to get this POS whacked and been disappointed every time. Is this the one that will stick?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2019 01:34 PM Re: Politics 2019

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I've been receiving every ugly scandal for 3 years as potential to get this POS whacked and been disappointed every time. Is this the one that will stick? You mean if it will result in his removal before the end of his term? Doubtful, But if so, we get Pence, who's not Trump, but despicable in his own ways. And even if Trump is found to have committed an act punishable by death, the GOP won on the day he was elected. They won. Look what they did to the courts. And if the Dems take back the WH but not the Senate- they're in for a big honking RBG problem.

MFS62 Sep 26 2019 02:14 PM Re: Politics 2019

I'd like to see the NY Bar Association take away Giuliani's license. That way, he will not be able to work in Donald's behalf when he comes to trial in New York State on the corporate and personal tax charges he will surely face (and for which he could do real hard time). Later

kcmets Sep 26 2019 04:43 PM Re: Politics 2019

He's talking about handling whistleblower blower spies and when they were smart they just whacked them back in the good old days. "We used to handle it a little differently than we do now." Really.

kcmets Sep 26 2019 04:44 PM Re: Politics 2019

=MFS62 post_id=23038 time=1569528877 user_id=60] I'd like to see the NY Bar Association take away Giuliani's license.

Good luck with that.

MFS62 Sep 26 2019 06:13 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The famous FBI raid at Appalachia in 1957 rounded up 26 mob bosses. I think this time they'll need a bigger truck. Later

whippoorwill Sep 26 2019 06:46 PM Re: Politics 2019

fb quote from a local political argument: "So because you loose you want to change the game after it's been that way since our forefathers. Looser!" Looser never gets old. Anyone have that image of the guy with the sign at Shea? Maybe this is the same guy

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2019 06:57 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

So, to cover up this call they stored it on a server that is only to be used for the most secret information, covert ops and the like. Now if all these calls haven't been deleted (there were apparently many more), I'm not sure exactly how you retrieve them. There were apparently MANY witnesses to this activity within the White House. Schiff needs to be getting these people in the hot seat ASAP. I'm glad to see the Intel Committee is working over the recess. Strike while the iron is hot. Republicans are going to try to make this about Joe Biden. It's been totally debunked, but that doesn't matter. Another reason to vote for Warren. :)

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2019 09:23 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yes, seriously. President Trump on Friday demanded House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) "immediately" resign from Congress for reading what the congressman described as a parody of the president's phone call with Ukraine's leader that is at the center of a whistleblower complaint. In a series of tweets early Friday, Trump accused Schiff of lying to Congress and "fraudulently" reciting a version of the call that made it "sound horrible" and made the president appear "guilty." "He was supposedly reading the exact transcribed version of the call, but he completely changed the words to make it … sound horrible, and me sound guilty," Trump tweeted. "HE WAS DESPERATE AND HE GOT CAUGHT. Adam Schiff therefore lied to Congress and attempted to defraud the American Public. He has been doing this for two years. I am calling for him to immediately resign from Congress based on this fraud!"

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2019 09:37 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There's no limit to the assholery of this president. And he proves that day after day.

whippoorwill Sep 27 2019 10:30 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I vote that assholery be made a spellcheck approved word

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2019 11:05 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

One more thing reported by the whistleblower that the White House now admits to.... The White House acknowledged Friday that Trump administration lawyers moved a record of President Donald Trump's call with the Ukrainian president to a separate system for classified documents, CNN first reported. When Pelosi described him as 'self-impeaching', she wasn't kidding. Remember, that it's only because the Inspector General of the DNI notified Schiff there was a complaint that any of this happened. They had plans in place to bury everything, and the whistle-blower, too. That IG is the hero of this story (and a Trump appointee to boot).

Ceetar Sep 27 2019 12:10 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If this is, finally, the tipping point.. I wonder if we'd be better off with some of the rats holding fast to the sinking ship and everything going down hard, or flipping to help the recovery efforts and end up on the new ship but with less overall damage

batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2019 12:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 27 2019 01:09 PM

Not only am I not shocked at any of this, I'm positive that if we were to learn about everything this President and this administration did, it'd be thousands times worse. He's a walking 24/7 every second of his existence lying crook gangster. The Department of Justice is totally corrupt and only today does Pelosi make a public statement to that effect. The Supreme Court, or at least the majority of it is in Trump's hip pocket. And if it turns out that when Trump met privately with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh before they were confirmed to the court, he actually threatened them in mobspeak with bodily harm should they vote against him, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked. There are no more White House or Mar-A-Lago visitor logs and that can only be so that Trump could operate outside of the margins more freely. I wouldn't be surprised if Mar-A-Lago is rigged with secret entryways so that Trump could meet people without the Secret Service or the CIA or whoever is surveilling him finding out. I'm sure there are a zillion damaging transcripts on that secret server and I wouldn't be surprised if those docs have been destroyed. His scumbag son in law already abused his position for which he has zero qualifications to get his family out from under a bad billion dollar loan that threatened to ruin his family's real estate empire. A few months ago, Trump quietly fast tracked the appointment of one of his cronies in civil life to one of the highest positions at the IRS. I wouldn't be surprised in the very least if that guy is scrubbing and destroying, if he hasn't done so already, the most damaging portions of Trump's tax returns.

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2019 12:59 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm betting that his calls with Putin are on that server (if they haven't been deleted yet). And it's kind of rich that he's so concerned about Biden's son when his own family are as crooked as Lombard Street. (Well, except Tiffany- she's in the clear so far).

batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2019 01:10 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

When I said that I wouldn't be shocked if those things I wrote just above the post above this one were true -- I miswrote. What I wanted to write was that I fully expect those things to be true.

Centerfield Sep 27 2019 01:55 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I would love to see them just drop a mic in front of Giuliani and Trump and say "explain yourselves". Within minutes they'd be in handcuffs.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2019 02:05 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Nah, they would just rant about "witch hunts" and how corrupt Joe Biden is.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2019 02:45 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Part of me thinks Vice President Biden should suspend his campaign now, to keep the president from using him as a red herring, constantly repeating (and enhancing) the allegations against him. "My time back on the campaign trail has introduced me to any number of great American candidates who would make excellent standard-bearers for this party. I am proud of the work my colleagues and I have done as I look back on my long career, but I can happily see we have far more to look forward to. I will not let the president use me as a distraction and use the American justice system as a campaign tool. If the Justice Department really believes the facts as to the president's allegations against me haven't been satisfactorily revealed, well, I welcome any more investigations that they think is necessary. But I will not allow this election to be poisoned by these malicious insinuations. God bless America."

whippoorwill Sep 27 2019 05:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

So is this going to lose steam over the weekend?

whippoorwill Sep 27 2019 05:27 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And does anyone else think guliani acts like he's lost his marbles over the past few years? I don't remember him being such a nut job after 9-11

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2019 07:46 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

CNN: Trump call transcripts with Putin and Saudi crown prince also hidden, kept from key staff Yeah, I think the steam will keep coming....

Fman99 Sep 27 2019 07:49 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm not a huge fan of much of what ends up posted on Deadspin, because I think the contributors are prone to excess and hyperbole, but this piece rang true. I thought many of these things going back to the prime time debates in 2016.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2019 08:30 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=whippoorwill post_id=23153 time=1569626843 user_id=79] And does anyone else think guliani acts like he's lost his marbles over the past few years? I don't remember him being such a nut job after 9-11

I have no idea what the mayor's motivation could have been to buy a ticket on this sinking ship, but yeah, he's whackadoodles.



If I was Chris Cuomo, I'd signal to my producer to cut Giuliani off when he starts screaming and raving and filibustering, but he just lets the guy keep hanging himself.

Lefty Specialist Sep 28 2019 06:31 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Rudy is the gift that keeps on giving. Republicans grilled Hillary for 11 hours on Benghazi (and found nothing). I want them to haul Rudy's ass before the Intel Committee for that long- they'd have the whole administration in handcuffs by the end of the day.

Willets Point Sep 28 2019 12:47 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I want Biden to suspend his campaign too, because I don't think he's a good candidate nor would he be a good president, but if he did it under the terms Edgy suggests, it would just be spun as admission of guilt.

MFS62 Sep 30 2019 09:07 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

U.S. Code § 2383. Whoever incites, any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, shall be fined or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 30 2019 03:25 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2019 08:02 AM

So in one hour: 1) Rudy Giuliani is subpoenaed for documents related to Ukraine, including that phone he was waving around on CNN (try claiming privilege on that). 2) Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was revealed to be on the infamous July 25th call to Zelenskyy. 3) Trump pushed the Australian Prime Minister to get information to discredit the origins of the Mueller report. I don't think we're running out of steam here. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/41018_Schiefe_Ebene_Nov_5_2016.png>

LWFS Sep 30 2019 05:40 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=whippoorwill post_id=23153 time=1569626843 user_id=79] And does anyone else think guliani acts like he's lost his marbles over the past few years? I don't remember him being such a nut job after 9-11

I mean, he may have the brain of a dead, sun-baked goat at this point, but at least he's got the same nasty, curdled cousin-fucker temperament he did in his fetid, evil youth!

MFS62 Sep 30 2019 06:14 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=LWFS post_id=23390 time=1569886848 user_id=84] I mean, he may have the brain of a dead, sun-baked goat at this point, but at least he's got the same nasty, curdled cousin-fucker temperament he did in his fetid, evil youth!

Pretty much complete, but you missed corrupt.

Later

Edgy MD Oct 01 2019 12:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Willets Point wrote: I want Biden to suspend his campaign too, because I don't think he's a good candidate nor would he be a good president, but if he did it under the terms Edgy suggests, it would just be spun as admission of guilt. Sure, but you can't convict him based on spin. If they want to keep going after him, they can do it without damaging the opposing ticket. How does Congressman Schiff possibly keep the inquiry on the clock? The president is clearly flooding the zone with as many flagrant acts as possible, seemingly hopeful that it will all take so long to rein in that he'll get through the election. We could theoretically be confronted with hundreds of articles of impeachment.

Lefty Specialist Oct 02 2019 08:48 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

State Department IG meeting urgently with Congressional committees in closed session this morning. Oh, to be a fly on the wall for THAT one. It'll leak out shortly, though- too many people involved.

metsmarathon Oct 02 2019 09:54 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

apparently, impeachment is a coup. somebody should go out and lock up newt gingrich for treason.

Lefty Specialist Oct 02 2019 11:36 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Need a lawyer? Call Crazy Rudy! [TWEET]https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1179211016992890880/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1179211016992890880&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagelive.com%2F2019%2F10%2F02%2Fthis-hilarious-crazy-rudy-ad-has-popped-up-on-the-new-york-subway%2F[/TWEET]

batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2019 11:39 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Need a lawyer? Call Crazy Rudy! [TWEET]https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1179211016992890880/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1179211016992890880&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagelive.com%2F2019%2F10%2F02%2Fthis-hilarious-crazy-rudy-ad-has-popped-up-on-the-new-york-subway%2F[/TWEET] His legal theories are insane! [FIMG=444]https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/dfcf2922fe675fee22781b5e914cd94e89734fe1/c=0-268-1996-1396/local/-/media/2016/09/11/NJGroup/AsburyPark/636092348763700587-CrazyEddie.jpg?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop[/FIMG]

kcmets Oct 02 2019 12:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

.con would be funnier but I see have an actual site and office.

Lefty Specialist Oct 03 2019 11:34 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Trump sticks a big 'Impeach me' sign on the White House lawn. Trump Says China ‘Should Investigate The Bidens' By Cristina Cabrera October 3, 2019 10:47 am President Donald Trump declared on Thursday that the Chinese and Ukrainian governments both should investigate his 2020 rival Joe Biden and Biden's son, Hunter. When a reporter asked Trump what he wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the Bidens during the infamous phone call in July, Trump bluntly admitted that he wanted Ukraine to investigate his political rival. “Well I would think if they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” he said. “It's a very simple answer.” “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens,” Trump added. “Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 03 2019 11:47 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Noting he also did so while also batting around threats of more Chinese tariffs.

Edgy MD Oct 03 2019 12:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He's flooding the zone. It's worked for him before.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2019 12:12 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm starting to tune out. I'm so worn out. It's becoming all yak yak yak to me, especially since the Democrats are an emasculated party in so many sad ways. They really are. I read a book at the beginning of Trump's term about how autocrats and dictators and authoritarians amass and consolidate their power and one of the underlying common themes applicable to all the strongmen used as examples is that in the end, they just wear you down into apathy or indifference, with their never ending crises and incidents. I'd like to hope that all of this will enrage and then motivate critical portions of the electorate to vote this asshole out of office because I'm sure that that's the absolutely best case scenario. I think that thwarting his reelection campaign is the best, and only thing to hope for. On all other fronts, him and his scumbag family and their cronies will have gotten away with everything else. That, and what the GOP did to to the courts, which will now take a gargantuan effort to fix, if the Dems even have it in them. Or Amy Klobuchar can have her way and maybe, 120 years away, we'll start to see a shift in the judiciary's makeup.

Ceetar Oct 03 2019 12:20 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I don't think there's any reasonable chance (Besides literally cheating and chasing black people away from the polls with armed ICE guards, which is still extremely possible) he gets reelected. I'm still concerned that we'll do nothing to fix anything though, and the next grifter asshole will be less of a complete an utter idiot.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2019 12:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=Ceetar post_id=23652 time=1570126855 user_id=102] I don't think there's any reasonable chance (Besides literally cheating and chasing black people away from the polls with armed ICE guards, which is still extremely possible) he gets reelected.

Most of the time, I'm pretty convinced of this. I think there are so many enraged citizens who are liberal at heart and to the core but who just don't vote, but who have since changed their ways because of this extreme asshole and have now started to come out to vote in large numbers. We saw it in the 2017 special elections where Dems overperformed everywhere and then in the mid terms of last year which was, in many ways, a rout of historic proportions, masked somewhat by the egregious gerrymandering in the GOP's favor and the once in a lifetime Senate map that was so lopsided in the GOP's favor.



But then I worry about ratfucking -- I mean really sophisticated ratfucking -- where the vote totals are manipulated and the public will never know -- because it's sophisticated.

Lefty Specialist Oct 03 2019 12:44 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The most likely scenario at this point is the House impeaches, passes it to the senate where Mitch does the absolute minimum and either dismisses it on a technicality or has the vote and lets his vulnerable members vote to impeach. It'll be 57 or so, not enough to convict. Trump will be wounded by this. And when he's wounded he does stupid stuff. This will just make him LESS palatable to the voters. I expect he'll lose despite the desperate ratfucking Republicans will do wherever they can. They won't save Trump, but they will save the Senate, making life miserable for the new Democratic president- not confirming appointees, not voting on any judges, blocking all meaningful legislation. And on we go.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2019 12:49 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If the Dems don't win the Senate, it's gonna be a fucking nightmare, even with a Dem president. And it'll then be four straight US Senate elections where the GOP maintained its majority. If that won't highlight the total unfairness of the voting system and how crucial it is for Dems to give DC and PR their statehoods if they ever get the chance, then nothing will.

kcmets Oct 03 2019 12:49 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I kinda doubt for the most part Trump will be a candidate in 2020.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 03 2019 12:51 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=23665 time=1570128593 user_id=53] I kinda doubt for the most part Trump will be a candidate in 2020.

Interesting. What do you see happening?

kcmets Oct 03 2019 01:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He outdoes himself daily (sometimes hourly) and eventually it's all gonna blow up in his big fat orange face?!? I hope.

whippoorwill Oct 03 2019 01:12 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Funds still rolling in for him. I'm still worried 😞

seawolf17 Oct 03 2019 01:44 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing is somehow masterminded by the GOP. They've got time to throw him under the bus and get a competent replacement in there who would be electable in 2020. He's outlived his usefulness to them at this point.

kcmets Oct 03 2019 01:59 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He may even be in on it!

Centerfield Oct 03 2019 02:10 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

For all the hearsay guys. Trump just asked China to investigate the Bidens. In public. On the White House lawn.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2019 02:12 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

People were saying the same stuff in 2016. He doesn't really want to be president. He'll bow out of the race. He'll step aside before Inauguration Day. He'll resign after a year. He'll resign after two years. This guy wants to be President for Life. He won't let go voluntarily. Maybe the Democrats in Congress will oust him. Maybe the Republican primary voters will do it. Maybe the general electorate will do it. But Trump himself won't do it.

seawolf17 Oct 03 2019 02:13 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This guy wants to be President for Life. He won't let go voluntarily. Maybe the Democrats in Congress will oust him. Maybe the Republican primary voters will do it. Maybe the general electorate will do it. But Trump himself won't do it. Absolutely. Now that he's actually in there, he literally says whatever he wants, and he's making money hand over fist. He's not going *anywhere* unless someone forces him.

Double Switch Oct 03 2019 02:14 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=23686 time=1570132768 user_id=53] He may even be in on it!

I find this an amazingly believable notion. What I find less believable is that the GOP is getting as much in donations as they claim. This is a crowd who lives by the lie, the bigger the lie the more they defend it. If, when unloading El Lardo-a-Lago, if somehow Moscow Mitch gets hitched to that bus, that would be the sparkling cherry atop the raving nut-covered sewage sundae they keep serving up.

TransMonk Oct 03 2019 02:26 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: People were saying the same stuff in 2016. He doesn't really want to be president. He'll bow out of the race. He'll step aside before Inauguration Day. He'll resign after a year. He'll resign after two years. This guy wants to be President for Life. He won't let go voluntarily. Maybe the Democrats in Congress will oust him. Maybe the Republican primary voters will do it. Maybe the general electorate will do it. But Trump himself won't do it. I'm not sure a general election loss will see him go quietly...bringing up even more Constitutional issues and court battles.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 03 2019 03:19 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

More deets about a separate IRS whistleblower dropped.

Double Switch Oct 03 2019 04:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Apparently the whistleblowers are not coming forth fast enough to suit Trump. He's doing everything he can to speed the House's impeachment process because he simply cannot STFU about begging foreign countries in public, in front of tv cameras and reporters, to interfere with the 2020 election. "China! China! If you're listening, pleeeeze go after those stone cold criminal Bidens." .... guessing Joe Biden scares Vlad. Will be starting my newly received Blowout by Rachel Maddow after dinner. http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/embedded_image/public/3d_blowout.png?itok=C3XvSVG_>

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 03 2019 04:40 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Wsj drops a bomb about the removal of the ambassador. You'll never guess -- she was "undermining" Rudy!

Edgy MD Oct 03 2019 05:59 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And there's another article of impeachment right there, from that bastion of liberal propaganda, The Wall Street Journal. Also, the president suddenly has me rooting for the Warner Music Group and Nickleback. I want him impeached just for that.

Ceetar Oct 03 2019 06:47 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This guy wants to be President for Life. He won't let go voluntarily. Maybe the Democrats in Congress will oust him. Maybe the Republican primary voters will do it. Maybe the general electorate will do it. But Trump himself won't do it. I've been wondering if someone should start a 'Trump: President for life' superPAC, really put that idea out there to scare people. I'd say we should be scared enough but people don't really seem to be taking this aspect of it seriously. Of course, all the money would ultimately be donated to Warren or whoever.

Fman99 Oct 03 2019 08:14 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I just want his heart to explode like an unpunctured potato in a microwave. Just die, already, and let grown ups go back to running things please.

Lefty Specialist Oct 04 2019 07:14 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Just a little diplomatic texting between Trump's hatchet man (Sondland) and the charge d'affaires (Taylor) in Ukraine..... Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario. [Sondland does not reply] Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this. Sondland: Bill, I never said I was “right.” I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Let's hope it works. Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. Sondland: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 04 2019 07:52 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I you read closely enough you can actually *hear* Sondland shit his pants knowing there's someone on record with this now

Centerfield Oct 04 2019 08:09 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

[CROSSOUT]He's innocent! It's all hearsay![/CROSSOUT] What he did is not actually a crime. Look. He's doing it again. Does he look like a criminal?

Edgy MD Oct 04 2019 08:21 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I you read closely enough you can actually *hear* Sondland shit his pants knowing there's someone on record with this now I can actually smell it. Somebody calling it what it is in real time. Go, Taylor, go.

kcmets Oct 04 2019 08:28 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2019 11:25 AM

[BLOCKQUOTE]Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.[/BLOCKQUOTE] Bwahahaha much less be putting stuff in writing. (edited by poster 10/04 - 13:09)

Lefty Specialist Oct 04 2019 08:56 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The last line is the CYA classic: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind. All that's missing is the winking emoji.

seawolf17 Oct 04 2019 09:08 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

"SEE? HE SAID NO QUID PRO QUOS! FAKE NEWS!" This is why everything sucks now.

Centerfield Oct 04 2019 10:49 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I suggest we stop the back and forth by text. I'll take "Things that Innocent People Don't Say" for $600 Alex.

Lefty Specialist Oct 04 2019 11:17 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=23748 time=1570199305 user_id=53] [BLOCKQUOTE]Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.[/BLOCKQUOTE] Bwahahaha much less be putting stuff in writing.

I think Taylor VERY MUCH wanted to put it in writing. He knew that when the shit hit the fan, he wanted to be on the right side of the fan.

kcmets Oct 04 2019 11:28 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: I think Taylor VERY MUCH wanted to put it in writing. He knew that when the shit hit the fan, he wanted to be on the right side of the fan. Maybe. Like I said the other day, with each passing day (and some times hour) another story breaks. Eventually this house of cards is doomed.

whippoorwill Oct 04 2019 11:29 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well then let's get it on already

Double Switch Oct 04 2019 03:12 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2019 05:31 PM

So few Republicans are speaking up to condemn Dirty Donnie that Mordecai Brown could count them on his right hand and have a finger left over.

Lefty Specialist Oct 04 2019 04:23 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Sooooo....Trump says he's not going to cooperate because they haven't taken an official vote to start impeachment proceedings. Fine. Schedule a vote the first day they're back. Then they'll move on to the next delay. And now they're asking for documents from the Whitest Man in America, Mike Pence........

Lefty Specialist Oct 08 2019 07:06 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland, up to his neck in the Ukraine business, ordered not to speak to the Intel Committee by Pompeo. Add another obstruction count to the indictment.

Centerfield Oct 08 2019 12:10 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If I didn't know better, I'd think that this President was trying to get impeached. First, we waited for the Mueller report. Where we all thought there would be evidence of his collusion. When the report found no collusion, he went out and actively colluded with foreign governments. Both privately and publicly. Then, astonished that Republicans hadn't turned on him, caved in to Turkey and abandoned our allies to everyone's dismay. What is he going to do next?

Lefty Specialist Oct 08 2019 12:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There was plenty of evidence of a conspiracy, but Mueller pulled his punches. I'm guessing Turkey agreed to manufacture some dirt on Elizabeth Warren. "Ankara, if you're listening...."

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 11 2019 10:34 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yovanovich hits one off the Keyspan sign. Read her statement!

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2019 10:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yovanovich hits one off the Keyspan sign. Read her statement! Putin woulda had her poison-whacked before she ever got to testify before Congress. So maybe Putin's not calling the shots.

Lefty Specialist Oct 11 2019 12:40 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Don't mess with this woman. She's got that Linda Hamilton/Terminator look. That opening statement was killer. And she's going after Giuliani with both barrels. https://images.dailykos.com/images/726660/story_image/GettyImages-1180430419.jpg?1570814666>

Edgy MD Oct 13 2019 09:40 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Did you ever think you'd live to see Mayor Giuliani even indirectly in league with the organization that attacked his city?

Lefty Specialist Oct 14 2019 05:37 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Rudy's gone off the deep end. I think his being totally humiliated when running for President in 2008 was the turning point. Since then, knowing he'd never get any higher office, he decided to become a grifter. That naturally drew him into Trump's orbit. John Oliver ripped him up pretty good last night... https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-oliver-thinks-rudy-giuliani-is-totally-screwed-trump-will-abandon-him

Lefty Specialist Oct 15 2019 08:52 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

@peterbakernyt · 12h Breaking: Bolton instructed aide to report Giuliani pressure campaign to White House lawyer. “I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Bolton said, according to testimony to House investigators. @npfandos https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/us/politics/who-is-fiona-hill.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage … When you go so far that John Freaking Bolton is getting weirded out, you know we're through the looking glass.

Lefty Specialist Oct 15 2019 02:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And the screw turns a little tighter.....this was probably leaked to warn Sondland that he better tell the truth on Thursday or he might be facing a little perjury rap.... Chris Murphy ‏Verified account @ChrisMurphyCT 🚨Fiona Hill describes this scene: In a White House meeting, Sondland tells Ukrainians they will get a Trump meeting if they open the investigations Trump wants. Then, Sondland follows the Ukrainians out of the meeting to privately make clear he's talking about Hunter Biden. 7:28 AM - 15 Oct 2019

MFS62 Oct 15 2019 07:27 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If Trump's supporters were not turned from him for children dying in cages on our own border, I do not expect them to be turned off by the horrific atrocities in Syria. Later

whippoorwill Oct 16 2019 05:45 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Bingo

MFS62 Oct 17 2019 08:31 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

When the hammers start to fall, that oily stool Giuliani (You have my permission to use that) should be second in line in the perp walk. As Double Switch noted in the Politics thread, Democrats should be above name calling. But in Rudy's case, I'm willing to make an exception. Later

Edgy MD Oct 17 2019 09:07 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And now Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney has the dubious honor of ascending to the chair of The House Oversight and Reform Committee. She's about to have a huge pile of miserable shit dumped on her desk, including information that only Representatives Cummings and Jordan had been privy to.

Double Switch Oct 17 2019 12:27 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=MFS62 post_id=24600 time=1571322670 user_id=60] When the hammers start to fall, that oily stool Giuliani (You have my permission to use that) should be second in line in the perp walk. As Double Switch noted in the Politics thread, Democrats should be above name calling. But in Rudy's case, I'm willing to make an exception. Later

Extreme times call for extreme measures. But, I am perfectly sanguine to leave the very public meltdowns to Himself and Rudy Mini-me. More material for John Oliver.

Lefty Specialist Oct 22 2019 09:36 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

William Taylor, who wrote this immortal text.... As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign testifying today, and should provide lots of K-cups for the Impeachment Keurig Machine. Mr. Taylor was issued a quickie subpoena as the State Department was prohibiting him from testifying. At 72, pension secure and no f's to give, he should be providing plenty of material for Rudy's indictment as well.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 22 2019 02:57 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Gottamn [url]bit.ly/35X89we

kcmets Oct 22 2019 03:23 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

bit.ly/35X89we needs more consonants and numbers or something...

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 22 2019 03:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

sorry. Taylor's statement. Hangs Guiliai and Trump, exposes Sondland's lies of omission. Game fucking over! https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/542ee36f-eafc-4f2b-a075-b3b492d981a5/note/75965f57-6561-42f8-af40-a9e984a85660.pdf

kcmets Oct 22 2019 03:38 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Game fucking over! I hope so, I've aged more than one should have watching the carousel of bullshit day after day after...

Centerfield Oct 22 2019 04:26 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'll believe it when I see it. I've already seen Republicans downplaying the significance of this testimony. Shockingly, they care more about their jobs than the integrity of their positions. Not surprising. At the end, it's going to come down to voters. And if the guys that pretend to love the military continue to take the side of the career long crook who dodged the draft over respected government officials who served our country just because it justifies their racism and homophobia, our country is in a very bad place.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2019 05:17 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Gottamn [url]bit.ly/35X89we This is astounding. We're getting this through cellphone snapshots.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2019 06:25 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I just realized got a notion that I'm surprised I hadn't thought of before. I mean, I'm sure I hadn't thought of it because it's insane and would have previously been unthinkable, but such are our times. There's no Constitutional reason to think that the president couldn't be impeached, removed, and then run for president again, is there?

Lefty Specialist Oct 22 2019 06:43 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Taylor's opening statement was 15 pages of Quid meeting Pro Quo. Sondland looks like he may have lied to Congress. Giuliani, Trump, Pence, Barr under the bus as well. And hours and hours of testimony we don't even know about.

Double Switch Oct 22 2019 07:19 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: I just realized got a notion that I'm surprised I hadn't thought of before. I mean, I'm sure I hadn't thought of it because it's insane and would have previously been unthinkable, but such are our times. There's no Constitutional reason to think that the president couldn't be impeached, removed, and then run for president again, is there? I looked it up and the beat goes on: ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. I think this boils down to that we cannot execute him but he's out of the life.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 22 2019 11:28 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Double Switch wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I just realized got a notion that I'm surprised I hadn't thought of before. I mean, I'm sure I hadn't thought of it because it's insane and would have previously been unthinkable, but such are our times. There's no Constitutional reason to think that the president couldn't be impeached, removed, and then run for president again, is there? I looked it up and the beat goes on: ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. I think this boils down to that we cannot execute him but he's out of the life. Unless Bill Barr gets to have the final say on what that clause really means. Just for kicks, I'd like to hear Barr's scumbag wackadoo interpretation of that clause.

Double Switch Oct 22 2019 11:38 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Double Switch wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I just realized got a notion that I'm surprised I hadn't thought of before. I mean, I'm sure I hadn't thought of it because it's insane and would have previously been unthinkable, but such are our times. There's no Constitutional reason to think that the president couldn't be impeached, removed, and then run for president again, is there? I looked it up and the beat goes on: ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. I think this boils down to that we cannot execute him but he's out of the life. Unless Bill Barr gets to have the final say on what that clause really means. Just for kicks, I'd like to hear Barr's scumbag wackadoo interpretation of that clause. Wouldn't that be up to John Roberts?

batmagadanleadoff Oct 23 2019 12:05 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Double Switch wrote: Double Switch wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I just realized got a notion that I'm surprised I hadn't thought of before. I mean, I'm sure I hadn't thought of it because it's insane and would have previously been unthinkable, but such are our times. There's no Constitutional reason to think that the president couldn't be impeached, removed, and then run for president again, is there? I looked it up and the beat goes on: ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. I think this boils down to that we cannot execute him but he's out of the life. Unless Bill Barr gets to have the final say on what that clause really means. Just for kicks, I'd like to hear Barr's scumbag wackadoo interpretation of that clause. Wouldn't that be up to John Roberts? It should. I'm just funnin'. What if'n. That's why I said "just for kicks".

whippoorwill Oct 23 2019 05:51 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I suddenly had the cold feeling the other day that he'd ride this out, get re-elected, skip a term, then do another eight years.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2019 07:34 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The Constitution prohibits that. Not that the Constitution matters much anymore. Anyway, your scenario has him living until about the age of 90, and he doesn't seem like a guy who will be able to do that.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2019 07:50 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, to my reading — and there of course is so little precedent to find out what the general reading is — but my reading tends to be that removal and disqualification are the only two sentences (judgments) that can be handed down but they wouldn't necessarily come together. Crazy, I know, but I'm trying to think ahead here.

seawolf17 Oct 23 2019 07:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=Centerfield post_id=24963 time=1571783175 user_id=65] And if the guys that pretend to love the military continue to take the side of the career long crook who dodged the draft over respected government officials who served our country just because it justifies their racism and homophobia, our country is in a very bad place.

You mean *when* all those things happen. Because it's going to happen, and we *are* in a very bad place. I keep bouncing back and forth between how incredibly depressing that is, and how encouraged I am about the kids and teens today who will take over whatever's left of America when we're gone. Because *they* get it, even though the oldsters and the stupid don't.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2019 08:41 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

That's great, but it's not money in the bank. So many folks who "got it" when I was a yute are now all over FB with #maga this and #trump2020 that. You hear me, Steve Santoro? Kevin Edell? Fred Haab? Dave Attonito? Really disturbing are are the once clear-eyed young women Iknow who follow their husbands down that path. Set yourself free, ladies.

Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2019 08:53 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I wouldn't rely on the yutes. Right now the under-30 vote is trending strongly Democratic, but they're the worst at actually, you know, voting.

Ceetar Oct 23 2019 09:37 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: I wouldn't rely on the yutes. Right now the under-30 vote is trending strongly Democratic, but they're the worst at actually, you know, voting. That's because so many of the problems are endemic to the system as a whole and nobody's seriously pushing for the things that actually impact them. And even the folks that talk a good game, all the 'experts' suggest that it's mostly talk and it's real tough to get anything actually enacted. Real hard to motivate someone for something like free college but not actually free college, a small tiny step in the direction of free college if we continue to have people like this politically for a decade or so and can take all the little steps. They'll all have paid off their loans by then.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2019 11:10 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

When the impeachment articles are ultimately presented, can they be presented so as to impeach Vice President Pence and Attorney General Barr at the same time, or will those actions require a separate process?

metsmarathon Oct 23 2019 11:17 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

you don't change the system by waiting for the one big change. you fix the system by pushing for all the little changes that can add up to big changes, or that can lay hte foundation for the big changes to come. if the kids won't vote because they won't get instant free college out of it, well, isn't that more of an indictment of them than it is the system? btw, this is more of a discussion for the politics thread than the impeachment thread. although, i would say that it dovetails nicely. in that if the kids were out there voting even when it won't produce those big changes, they'd still be helping to push the system as a whole in a more favorable direction, and further and further away from the types of politicians who would vote in opposition to an impeachment and removal of a racist, traitorous, self-dealing, incompetent nincompoop from the office of the president of the united states.

metsmarathon Oct 23 2019 11:18 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: When the impeachment articles are ultimately presented, can they be presented so as to impeach Vice President Pence and Attorney General Barr at the same time, or will those actions require a separate process? is the attorney general subject to impeachment?

Edgy MD Oct 23 2019 12:02 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. —Article II, Section 4 As I understand, essentially all appointed, Senate-approved positions count as "civil Officers," subject to Congressional oversight, including, if necessary, impeachment and/or removal.

Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2019 01:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

House Republicans literally break into the secure room where hearings are being held to disrupt testimony today, led by Matt Gaetz, the guy locked in a death battle with Louie Gohmert for the coveted title of America's Dumbest Congressman. They took their cellphones into a secure room, so they'll probably have to postpone the deposition until tomorrow. This is what Republican flop sweat looks like- if you can't attack the facts, you attack the process. Trump was apparently aware and approved, so Gaetz will get a Tweet Snausage from Donnie tonight. And look for the illegal cellphone video to run on a loop on Fox.

kcmets Oct 23 2019 01:36 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Gubbment's turned into late 1970's TBS wrestling.

Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2019 02:26 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Committee swept the room of idiots, and testimony resumes after a 5-hour delay. Snausages all around.

whippoorwill Oct 23 2019 05:15 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lol the mental image...

Edgy MD Oct 23 2019 08:14 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Committee swept the room of idiots, and testimony resumes after a 5-hour delay. Snausages all around. Well, they swept the room of the idiots who weren't supposed to be there, anyhow.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2019 01:15 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

So, any bets on how much John Bolton is going to sing?

MFS62 Oct 26 2019 03:23 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: So, any bets on how much John Bolton is going to sing? I'm guessing more than an aria but not the complete libretto. Here's the ruling we've been waiting for: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/court-ruling-trump-impeachment-may-120027970.html Later

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2019 05:02 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Hopefully he won't sing "Dock of the Bay" like his brother Michael did.

MFS62 Oct 26 2019 06:13 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hopefully he won't sing "Dock of the Bay" like his brother Michael did. I hope he has a docket in his future. Later

Edgy MD Oct 27 2019 09:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

#ThankYouVets https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH7egTtWoAAEVE2.jpg>

Lefty Specialist Oct 28 2019 05:50 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Awesome. Props to the Nats fans. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/adamlongoTV/status/1188623821877760005[/TWEET] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH7ngzhWwAAD5nM?format=jpg&name=small>

Centerfield Oct 28 2019 08:08 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Red hats salvaged.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2019 08:30 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bryanbehar/status/1188659969895190533[/TWEET]

Lefty Specialist Oct 28 2019 10:29 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Odds are good that Melania knew he'd be booed and prevented her son from experiencing that. Not taking him was the RIGHT thing to do.

seawolf17 Oct 28 2019 03:03 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yeah, I agree. Keeping Barron's life private is about the only good thing about this presidency so far.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 28 2019 03:44 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

That said, can you imagine a being worse role model for a 13 year old boy? I speak as a dad of 13 year old!

Lefty Specialist Oct 29 2019 06:39 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Testimony today from a lieutenant colonel who was on the infamous July 25th call and immediately reported it to his superiors as improper. Not the whistle-blower, but even better, because now you've got an actual earwitness. As depressing as this whole past 3 years have been, it's heartening that there are professionals in this government who are willing to stand up for what's right regardless of the consequences. And Nancy said, "You want us to take a vote? Okay, hold my beer." One more Republican talking point down the drain.

seawolf17 Oct 29 2019 06:53 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: That said, can you imagine a being worse role model for a 13 year old boy? I speak as a dad of 13 year old! Oh, unquestionably, yes. And I don't know if it's Melania, or his handlers, or what, but the fact that we never see Barron has been excellent. I'm saddened that he will likely grow up to be an entitled jackass like his older siblings, but at least for now, he's still just a kid.

Ceetar Oct 29 2019 07:23 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm hoping he feels the need to change his name when he's 18.

Centerfield Oct 29 2019 08:43 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: That said, can you imagine a being worse role model for a 13 year old boy? I speak as a dad of 13 year old! Oh, unquestionably, yes. And I don't know if it's Melania, or his handlers, or what, but the fact that we never see Barron has been excellent. I'm saddened that he will likely grow up to be an entitled jackass like his older siblings, but at least for now, he's still just a kid. Exactly this. Maybe his father will be in jail, Barron will learn his lesson, and he'll grow up and redeem the family name. That's my hope for Bradley Wilpon too.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 29 2019 08:49 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I think Dad will give him the Tiffany Treatment

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 29 2019 10:11 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Vindeman, who actually listened in to the "perfect" call as it happened, makes 5 testifying to a quid pro quo -- and makes a bigger liar of Sondland

Edgy MD Oct 29 2019 10:22 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Odds are good that Melania knew he'd be booed and prevented her son from experiencing that. Not taking him was the RIGHT thing to do. Well, I tend to think if the kid was on board, the presidential party would have been in an enclosed box, but of course, that would take #thinking.

Edgy MD Oct 29 2019 10:25 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Vindeman, who actually listened in to the "perfect" call as it happened, makes 5 testifying to a quid pro quo -- and makes a bigger liar of Sondland Sondland is serving two masters here, trying to act forthcoming and still be protecting the president. He's going to have to choose soon or he's going to be a sacrificial lamb.

Chad ochoseis Oct 29 2019 10:49 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Sondland is a CEO. I don't know if others among youse who have worked in Big Corporate America will agree, but Big Corporate America runs on legal fictions. You sign an agreement not to use a client's data to help you perform an analysis for another client. But you summarize that data, turn it into "industry-based estimates" and use it just the same, telling yourself all the while that you're not violating your agreement. You circumvent a conflict of interest policy by creating a shell subsidiary that doesn't have any legal interests at all, telling yourself all the while that your interests no longer conflict. You tell yourself that because nobody actually said "I'll give you aid if you investigate Biden's kid" that no quid pro quo was offered. And you believe it, because fictions like that are what make Big Corporate America tick. Everyone is strictly faithful to the letter of the law. Nobody pays a whit of attention to the spirit of the law. And this is why corporations have massive legal departments. And just to make extra sure, you make certain that you don't text or email anything. And when some tactless oaf like Bill Taylor texts you to say "hey...maybe we shouldn't be offering a quid pro quo", you make sure to vehemently deny a quid pro quo, and then you say "Bill, let's discuss this on the phone". You don't ever lie. But you're lying through your teeth. And, every once in a while, your lies that aren't lies fall apart and you find yourself hanging out with Michael Cohen in Otisville, and you're still not really sure why. That's Gordon Sondland. And, ultimately, it's Trump, too.

Lefty Specialist Oct 29 2019 11:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yes, well said. I've very often had a 'call me' moment, where I didn't want to commit something to e-mail. Nothing illegal, mind you, but something i just don't want a paper trail on because I'm doing something that somebody looking back later would say, 'um, why?' So I can sympathize for half a second with Gordon Sondland. Of course, I'm not managing American policy toward a desperate European nation. So the half second is over. Sondland's already been busted by subsequent testimony so he better straighten up his story or his next hotel could be the Graybar Hotel.

Willets Point Oct 29 2019 12:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm still hoping that Barron rebels by becoming a Democratic Socialist.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2019 12:06 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Or a CNN journalist!

Centerfield Oct 29 2019 12:31 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He might follow mom's footsteps and become a pinup model.

whippoorwill Oct 29 2019 12:46 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Marry a Mexican gal

Lefty Specialist Oct 29 2019 02:21 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Isis wannabe.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 29 2019 02:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I secretly want my son to beat him up. Or at least beat him on X-box

Edgy MD Oct 29 2019 02:57 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

So, the House votes civil contempt charges against Attorney General Barr and Counsel Don McGahn, and the vote falls on strict party lines? That's disappointing.

Johnny Lunchbucket Oct 29 2019 03:53 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Numbnut house Rs aren't even pretending to take this seriously

Edgy MD Oct 29 2019 04:32 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

They probably calculate that unlike in the Senate, this will not need them to go forward, so the gun isn't pointed at them to make an historical choice, like it's pointing at their Senate Colleagues. Read more about it in my coming book, Profiles in Cowardice.

Lefty Specialist Oct 30 2019 06:06 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yes, House Republicans essentially have a freebie here. Most of the swing-district R's got wiped out in 2018, so what's left are the mouth-breathers who'll follow Trump into the gates of hell. It'll be mostly a party-line vote. Whatever the vote is on Thursday will probably look very similar to the vote to impeach. One thing to look out for: if Republicans can call any witnesses to testify, I'm betting Hunter Biden will be on the short list.

kcmets Oct 30 2019 07:47 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

What time is the vote? CNN hasn't put up a countdown clock yet.

TransMonk Oct 30 2019 08:30 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

We need a countdown to the countdown.

LWFS Oct 30 2019 05:51 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

So if a guy resigns from his National Security post working for you the night before he's about to go in and testify about you, that's probably not a good sign for you, right?

Edgy MD Oct 30 2019 05:52 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I don't like guys leaving the National Security Council. The president's going to try to replace him with Sgt. Slaughter or some shit.

Lefty Specialist Oct 31 2019 06:47 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, he's already had John Bolton running it, so you can only go up from there. Guys resigning to testify truthfully to Congress I'm OK with.

Lefty Specialist Oct 31 2019 11:23 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

House votes to cut the legs out from under the Republican "Waaaaahhhh, they didn't have a vote" argument, 232-196. 2 Democrats against, Justin Amash for. Let the Games begin.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2019 03:08 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, he's already had John Bolton running it, so you can only go up from there. Guys resigning to testify truthfully to Congress I'm OK with. John Bolton's an arrogant weirdo with an eccentric philosophy, but he's an informed pro. And he walked out of the room when it was time to walk. I'd rather have him building defense policy than, say, Jared Kushner.

Centerfield Nov 01 2019 08:16 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, he's already had John Bolton running it, so you can only go up from there. Guys resigning to testify truthfully to Congress I'm OK with. John Bolton's an arrogant weirdo with an eccentric philosophy, but he's an informed pro. And he walked out of the room when it was time to walk. I'd rather have him building defense policy than, say, Jared Kushner. Interesting right? What I'm learning in this process is that there are still good, ethical conservatives in this world. It's just that not one of them are in Congress. Well, maybe one I guess.

Double Switch Nov 01 2019 08:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpFZQtBJkMI

MFS62 Nov 03 2019 06:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He just got his "get out of jail free" card. (Well, not really) https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-gets-note-from-podiatrist-exempting-him-from-impeachment?fbclid=IwAR2l4UdOpsSMrmGD_HLtPP4IqN3Xl44UaXB4ivIG3_8DcX-X3-VxY5Fcj34 Later

MFS62 Nov 03 2019 08:12 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He's president of the United States, not just the Red States. What an evil fucker: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vows-no-more-federal-141839389.html Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 03 2019 09:21 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He's president of the United States, not just the Red States. What an evil fucker: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vows-no-more-federal-141839389.html Later This could only happen because we have the most retarded, undemocratic way of electing our Presidents in all of the modern advanced world --- I'm talking about the loathsome electoral college. California had a population of almost 40 million, about the size of England's population -- and about equal to the population of America's 23 least populous states. Those 23 states get to send 46 senators to the US senate, as compared to California's two. And those 23 states had a combined 102 electoral votes in 2016, as compared to California's 55 electoral votes.

Centerfield Nov 05 2019 02:44 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lev Parnas. Feelings hurt when Trump denied knowing who he was. Now ready to testify. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-lev-parnas-impeachment

Edgy MD Nov 05 2019 03:32 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The true believers accept that when the president throws you overboard, part of the bargain you make, and you get on with your life proud of the sacrifice that you made for the cause. I'm hoping that Parnas and Fruman are more mercenaries than true believers. Also worth noting that Ambassador Sondland is singing a nu tune, acknowledging delivering the QPC.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2019 01:06 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Presidential Advisor Donald J. Trump, Jr. has gone and tweeted the alleged whistleblower's name. They've just got to arrest him now, right?

MFS62 Nov 07 2019 05:43 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Presidential Advisor Donald J. Trump, Jr. has gone and tweeted the alleged whistleblower's name. They've just got to arrest him now, right? Well, identity protection IS part of the law .... Later

batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2019 05:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Presidential Advisor Donald J. Trump, Jr. has gone and tweeted the alleged whistleblower's name. They've just got to arrest him now, right? Well, identity protection IS part of the law .... Later Oh, dont even waste your time with this. Everybody's getting a pardon.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2019 06:00 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

A pardon would be terrific. It would mean that somebody in this country had the initiative to arrest, prosecute, and convict.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2019 06:05 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

For his own son, he'll issue a pre conviction pardon

Centerfield Nov 07 2019 09:23 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=26154 time=1573131941 user_id=68] For his own son, he'll issue a pre conviction pardon

I'm guessing that's a joke, but I wonder if he'd try something like that. I'm guessing the statute of limitations on revealing a whistleblower is more than a year. Might make sense to wait (and hope) Trump is out of office before going after Jr.

Centerfield Nov 07 2019 10:15 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

[TWEET] Bribery is specifically listed in the Constitution as an impeachable offense. Donald Trump engaged in Bribery. Case closed. — Rob Reiner (@robreiner) November">https://twitter.com/robreiner/status/1192444654341382145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2019 [/TWEET]

Edgy MD Nov 07 2019 02:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yeah, but when did Meathead ever win an argument?

Willets Point Nov 07 2019 03:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yeah, but Republican aren't going to listen to a meathead "Polack."

Willets Point Nov 07 2019 03:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Damnit, Edgy/Willets Point similarity score is going up!

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2019 07:11 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yeah, this doesn't look suspicious or anything. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified on October 29 concerning his reaction to Donald Trump's phone call to Ukrainian President Zelensky, was removed from the National Security Council on Sunday. In an interview on CBS' Face the Nation, national security advisor Robert O'Brien, who replaced John Bolton in that position in September, said that Vindman would be leaving his position along with several others as part of a “streamlining” of the National Security Council.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2019 07:26 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, I for one feel so much safer.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2019 11:25 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

A streamlined National Security Council has less wind resistance, i guess.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2019 10:20 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

George Kent should change his name to Clark, because he's our best hope here.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2019 10:37 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Congressman Mark Meadows is on gaslamp duty, and he's terrifying.

Lefty Specialist Nov 13 2019 11:16 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

According to Taylor, The member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone, asking Ambassador Sondland about “the investigations.” Ambassador Sondland told President Trump that the Ukrainians were ready to move forward. … Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought about Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for. Gordon, Gordon, Gordon, you are in so far over your head it isn't funny.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2019 12:16 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If I've got to hear one more reference to President Obama saying "You've got to give me more time," I'm going to start punching.

kcmets Nov 13 2019 03:35 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Kinda boring what I saw today and if these were the 'star witnesses' look for it to get even more boring. I started some time ago to think this whole thing is a bunch of hooey. Them dropping the ball on this, if that's how it goes, is just going to be catastrophic.

ashie62 Nov 14 2019 02:24 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Gonna need more than what I saw today to get Dumbazz out Where is john dean when you need him

MFS62 Nov 14 2019 04:51 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There was someone who actually heard Donald talk about withholding weapons money unless Biden and his son were investigated. He said it on a cell phone call to the ambassador. That person will be testifying in closed session this week. That closes the loophole. Later

ashie62 Nov 14 2019 05:25 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Should I know who that is?

Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2019 05:44 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=ashie62 post_id=26506 time=1573734310 user_id=90] Should I know who that is?

You will. And John Dean was pretty boring, too.



Republicans were twisting themselves in knots yesterday. They'll twist themselves in knots to get him off in the Senate too.

TransMonk Nov 14 2019 07:15 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Are we still waiting for some sort of exciting and explosive bombshell? The evidence is clear that the president is a crook a dozen times over who is selling out and embarrassing our country. BOOM! This is not a new revelation. If he was innocent and had nothing to hide, he wouldn't be acting so guilty. I still wake up every morning disgusted that this guy made it past "grab them by the pussy".

Fman99 Nov 14 2019 07:33 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I still wake up every morning disgusted that this guy made it past "grab them by the pussy". This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites.

whippoorwill Nov 14 2019 07:42 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Bad news, boys. My red county got even redder last week. Despite my best efforts

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2019 08:05 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Are we still waiting for some sort of exciting and explosive bombshell? The evidence is clear that the president is a crook a dozen times over who is selling out and embarrassing our country. BOOM! This is not a new revelation. If he was innocent and had nothing to hide, he wouldn't be acting so guilty. I still wake up every morning disgusted that this guy made it past "grab them by the pussy". Grab them by the pussy and about two dozen credible accusations of sexual abuse and harrasment and in the end, it's Al Franken that resigns. What a fucking country.

kcmets Nov 14 2019 08:46 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites. I'm sorry, but that's just plain insulting and whatnot...

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2019 09:10 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites. I'm sorry, but that's just plain insulting and whatnot... Of course it's insulting. And it should be. And it's deserved. Christianity and the church and hypocrisy? There's only like a coupl'a million examples I could give you.

Double Switch Nov 14 2019 10:04 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: And John Dean was pretty boring, too. Republicans were twisting themselves in knots yesterday. They'll twist themselves in knots to get him off in the Senate too. I remember the days of John Dean testimony and thinking how gutsy he turned out to be. He told Nixon there's a cancer on the presidency. No one has the guts to tell Trump anything close to that. And Nikki Haley? Get her off the stage. The Republicans are the bright, shiny, whirling object continually distracting from the relentless exposure of facts. This has been their only "go-to" for years. That we seek a "blockbuster" core dump of facts not already in view proves how numbed we have become to the neverending porn show of this present administration. I am paying more attention to Trump's desperate fight to keep his taxes hidden. Notice he doesn't call that fake news? He knows that's the smoking gun that has the bullets with Trump engraved on them. He's already proudly admitted to committing extortion and bribery. He knows that's no big deal. The tax stuff - that's the big deal and always has been. That's what brought down Al Capone when all else failed. Speaking of numbness, there's been another school shooting in SoCal and I did not even bother to read about it. That is the level of numbness I have achieved.

Centerfield Nov 14 2019 10:56 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites. I'm sorry, but that's just plain insulting and whatnot... Of course it's insulting. And it should be. And it's deserved. Christianity and the church and hypocrisy? There's only like a coupl'a million examples I could give you. It's clearly hypocrisy. There isn't a Christian out there that doesn't know full well that Trump is a lying, evil man. In fact, anyone with eyes and ears can see that plain as day. The question is why so many are willing to intentionally overlook all of this and side with him. As long as half the country (or 45% of the country) are willing to overlook his obvious faults, he's going no where. And he knows that. Here are the people that side with him. *Real Republicans. These are the rich guys. The ones that like tax breaks for the wealthy and Super PACs, and scorching our environment to make more money. These guys know he's a fraud, but he's a gold mine for them. The public eats him up. They don't suffer from any of his evils. They laugh all the way to the bank that they've fooled their base into voting against their interest. But they've been lying to the public for years. This is more of the same. You will never reach these guys. No matter what happens. *Non-College-Educated Whites. This is where we've lost the country. NCEW's have flocked to Trump, even though he reflects none of their values. He's a NY rich kid, draft dodger, pussy-grabber, liar, convicted fraudster, the list goes on and on. But they've embraced him because he's the only one that's said to them "It's ok to resent minorities". He's the only one that's said told them that their prejudices (which may or may not amount to outright racism) are understandable. "We should feel that way. We all feel that way." After being told that they should feel guilty for being white, they can't resist someone who tells them it's ok to lash out. To fight back. No matter how flawed the messenger. Until and unless we get this portion of our population back, we will remain forever fractured. *Actual Racists. The ones who like Trump because he's trump. Like the real Republicans, these guys are a lost cause as well.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2019 11:19 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

They side with Trump because they prefer Trump's Supreme Court picks over Hillary's. Fair and square. They're allowed. Blame it on the Dem pols for not getting the message out and on the Dem voters for being practically ignorant on the judiciary issue. And blame it on the ridiculous Electoral college because this country is by and large not conservative and Republican. And if the Trump evangelicals and Christian base were to admit that they held their noses when they pulled the levers for Trump, which everybody knows, I'd have a smidgen of a modicum of a molecule of grudging respect for them. But instead, on top of everything else, they insult everybody's intelligence by holding out Trump as some paragon of virtue and Christian values when the guy's a heathen who likely hasn't read the bible since he was forced to in some school setting decades ago. (Not that there's anything wrong with not reading the Bible, but I digress now).

Edgy MD Nov 14 2019 11:45 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Senator Paul, though has established a new group. The president's coalition had been supposed Christians who don't actually care anything about personal virtue or the Golden Rule or even a personal relationship with Jesus, along with supposed fiscal conservatives who don't really care anything about ballooning deficits. Now, trumpeted by Senator Paul's insistence that the original whistle blower be outed, we've added libertarians who don't really care anything about liberty. I'm not going to lie. That much bullshit is going to be hard to wade through.

Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2019 12:41 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

It's all just goalpost-moving. They complained the hearings were being held in secret, even crashing one and ordering pizza. Then they had open hearings, so now they keep demanding that the whistleblower testifies. If the whistleblower showed up and testified, they'd move the goalposts again. it's endless.

whippoorwill Nov 14 2019 12:56 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites. I'm sorry, but that's just plain insulting and whatnot... Of course it's insulting. And it should be. And it's deserved. Christianity and the church and hypocrisy? There's only like a coupl'a million examples I could give you. It's clearly hypocrisy. There isn't a Christian out there that doesn't know full well that Trump is a lying, evil man. In fact, anyone with eyes and ears can see that plain as day. The question is why so many are willing to intentionally overlook all of this and side with him. As long as half the country (or 45% of the country) are willing to overlook his obvious faults, he's going no where. And he knows that. Here are the people that side with him. *Real Republicans. These are the rich guys. The ones that like tax breaks for the wealthy and Super PACs, and scorching our environment to make more money. These guys know he's a fraud, but he's a gold mine for them. The public eats him up. They don't suffer from any of his evils. They laugh all the way to the bank that they've fooled their base into voting against their interest. But they've been lying to the public for years. This is more of the same. You will never reach these guys. No matter what happens. *Non-College-Educated Whites. This is where we've lost the country. NCEW's have flocked to Trump, even though he reflects none of their values. He's a NY rich kid, draft dodger, pussy-grabber, liar, convicted fraudster, the list goes on and on. But they've embraced him because he's the only one that's said to them "It's ok to resent minorities". He's the only one that's said told them that their prejudices (which may or may not amount to outright racism) are understandable. "We should feel that way. We all feel that way." After being told that they should feel guilty for being white, they can't resist someone who tells them it's ok to lash out. To fight back. No matter how flawed the messenger. Until and unless we get this portion of our population back, we will remain forever fractured. *Actual Racists. The ones who like Trump because he's trump. Like the real Republicans, these guys are a lost cause as well. Sigh. I'm not college-educated, and I'm white. And I'm an active Christian. And I get tired of the implication, over and over again, that I'm stupid. Oh, and I'm against him

kcmets Nov 14 2019 01:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=26536 time=1573755578 user_id=68] But instead, on top of everything else, they insult everybody's intelligence by holding out Trump as some paragon of virtue and Christian values

There's no way you even have the time to find instances of painting paragons-

of-this and values-of-that by some wingnuts in the bible belt. But I know you like

to lay it on thick once you get going... so, I get it. But I also think to a large ex-

tent you're making stuff up sometimes for effect.



Those yahoo's standing behind him at rallies are REDNECKS! They were rednecks

before we were born and they'll be rednecks after we're gone. Has little to do with

religion or on a broader scale the C word (Chrisitanity, not typewriter of course)...



You too, Fman - since you started this. Or I started it or whatever...

Centerfield Nov 14 2019 01:45 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

This, plus the fact that all of those so called "Christians" who live in the red states, and make up a big chunk of the Republican voting pool, all heard him say this, and still voted for the guy. Sorry, you're all total hypocrites. I'm sorry, but that's just plain insulting and whatnot... Of course it's insulting. And it should be. And it's deserved. Christianity and the church and hypocrisy? There's only like a coupl'a million examples I could give you. It's clearly hypocrisy. There isn't a Christian out there that doesn't know full well that Trump is a lying, evil man. In fact, anyone with eyes and ears can see that plain as day. The question is why so many are willing to intentionally overlook all of this and side with him. As long as half the country (or 45% of the country) are willing to overlook his obvious faults, he's going no where. And he knows that. Here are the people that side with him. *Real Republicans. These are the rich guys. The ones that like tax breaks for the wealthy and Super PACs, and scorching our environment to make more money. These guys know he's a fraud, but he's a gold mine for them. The public eats him up. They don't suffer from any of his evils. They laugh all the way to the bank that they've fooled their base into voting against their interest. But they've been lying to the public for years. This is more of the same. You will never reach these guys. No matter what happens. *Non-College-Educated Whites. This is where we've lost the country. NCEW's have flocked to Trump, even though he reflects none of their values. He's a NY rich kid, draft dodger, pussy-grabber, liar, convicted fraudster, the list goes on and on. But they've embraced him because he's the only one that's said to them "It's ok to resent minorities". He's the only one that's said told them that their prejudices (which may or may not amount to outright racism) are understandable. "We should feel that way. We all feel that way." After being told that they should feel guilty for being white, they can't resist someone who tells them it's ok to lash out. To fight back. No matter how flawed the messenger. Until and unless we get this portion of our population back, we will remain forever fractured. *Actual Racists. The ones who like Trump because he's trump. Like the real Republicans, these guys are a lost cause as well. Sigh. I'm not college-educated, and I'm white. And I'm an active Christian. And I get tired of the implication, over and over again, that I'm stupid. Oh, and I'm against him coobs, my post was a description of subsets of people that support him. I know you don't support him.

whippoorwill Nov 14 2019 01:47 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Good :)

Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2019 01:55 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Jesus drove the money-changers from the Temple with a horsewhip. Imagine if he came back now. They'd have to open new horsewhip factories.

whippoorwill Nov 14 2019 01:57 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lol

Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2019 02:26 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And the horsewhip factories would be in China.

Double Switch Nov 14 2019 02:59 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Time to "slap" another tariff.

LWFS Nov 14 2019 04:37 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

But instead, on top of everything else, they insult everybody's intelligence by holding out Trump as some paragon of virtue and Christian values There's no way you even have the time to find instances of painting paragons- of-this and values-of-that by some wingnuts in the bible belt. But I know you like to lay it on thick once you get going... so, I get it. But I also think to a large ex- tent you're making stuff up sometimes for effect. Not that I'm a huge fan of all of bml's excited rhetorical flourishes, but I've come across many, many, MANY examples of such "instances" online and IRL without even trying (hell, while actively avoiding them). Others-- and I've probably seen/interacted with more of these-- don't hold him up as a personal avatar of good virtues, but rather as a literal godsend. Mysterious ways. Those yahoo's standing behind him at rallies are REDNECKS! They were rednecks before we were born and they'll be rednecks after we're gone. Has little to do with religion or on a broader scale the C word (Chrisitanity, not typewriter of course)... I don't think it's so much about actual Christianity* as it is about weaponized politix-brand ChristianityTM, the kind that's a convenient vehicle for majority self-victimization, or blaming others for feeling made to feel like cultural reactionaries when they're being cultural reactionaries. *Not that Real Christianity-- in varying stripes-- doesn't have... something of a history itself.

kcmets Nov 14 2019 05:15 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The literal godsend thing is disturbing. I know 1-2 I'll be sharing turkey with in a few weeks that are downright delusional about him. Your post is awesome. Thank you for spelling it out so well.

Ceetar Nov 14 2019 09:03 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

it's not like it's veiled. the whole abortion/supreme court thing is heavily tinged with christianity. And hello, Mike Pence.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2019 07:36 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, I'm voting Yovanovich 2020.

Edgy MD Nov 15 2019 07:48 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Deriding these witnesses as "unelected bureaucrats" is vile. They're a like a choir of the sane singing to a world gone mad. How lucky we are to have these folks (and I'm sure there are odd shlubs among them), who spend half their lives living abroad, but have more patriotism than a random hundred of their critics.

Fman99 Nov 15 2019 08:55 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Glad I could stir the pot here. I love all you guys, here in the CPF. Regardless of how you vote. You're all Mets fans, and you're all voting adults and entitled to your opinion. All I'm saying is that if you're a Christian, and you follow the teachings of your faith and of Jesus as I understand it, that you should find our current President to be intellectually incapable, and socially inept, and morally reprehensible. And if you don't, well, you're lying to yourself, or you're a moron, or you're full of shit. That's about it, from where I stand.

kcmets Nov 16 2019 06:40 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Christianity has taken it on the chin here 3-4 times a year here for nearly two decades. Long before Trump. That's about it, from where I stand.

MFS62 Nov 17 2019 05:30 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Barr's gotta' go, too.: https://www.yahoo.com/news/william-barr-impeachment-federalist-society-speech-011503494.html Later

Ceetar Nov 17 2019 06:43 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=26681 time=1573954814 user_id=53] Christianity has taken it on the chin here 3-4 times a year here for nearly two decades. Long before Trump. That's about it, from where I stand.

yeah, but 'taken it on the chin' much the way Jacob deGrom sometimes gives up a hit.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 17 2019 07:46 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Barr's gotta' go, too.: https://www.yahoo.com/news/william-barr-impeachment-federalist-society-speech-011503494.html Later What a truly vile lunatic. Disbar Barr!

LWFS Nov 17 2019 06:05 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Christianity has taken it on the chin here 3-4 times a year here for nearly two decades. Long before Trump. That's about it, from where I stand. From some people's view, so-called Christians* have done a lot worse than chin-rapping to others for more than two millennia. *And Muslims. And Hindus. And Jews. And very, very occasionally, Buddhists. But... y'know, a LOT of Christians.

kcmets Nov 17 2019 06:16 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I don't recall any Muslim, Hindu, Jew or Buddist stuff here. The point is, kind of, if there was it would be found offensive. Christianity is fair game though. Has been for nearly two decades.

LWFS Nov 17 2019 06:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There's a difference between making fun of Christianity and pointing out what Christians have done (or what's been done-- or, probably more accurately, is being done-- in its name).

kcmets Nov 17 2019 06:37 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I'm an atheist or agnostic at best, just find the fair game on Christianity here bothersome at times.

whippoorwill Nov 17 2019 06:56 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Agreed

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2019 07:20 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Christianity not being impeached, Trump is. Don't make me get my horsewhip. :)

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2019 08:08 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Trump tweets that he might be willing to testify in the impeachment hearing. Of course it's a lie, but what must-see TV that would make. The entire country would take the day off.

kcmets Nov 18 2019 08:18 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lol, keep your whip holstered. We now return you to the Send Cheesedooldleface Packin' thread.

41Forever Nov 18 2019 10:11 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There's a difference between making fun of Christianity and pointing out what Christians have done (or what's been done-- or, probably more accurately, is being done-- in its name). There have been multiple references in this forum, though not from you, to Christians and their "magical sky fairy" or something along those lines and athletes belittled as "Jesus freaks" because they are open about their beliefs. That's more in line with the first part of what you wrote than the latter. It smacks of bigotry. If you look for examples of Christians or groups of Christians who have done bad things, you'll have no shortage of examples. That's true of any group of fallible humans -- and why services start with the recognition of the need for forgivness. But to paint with a broad brush in inaccurate, and to ignore the many, many good things done in His name paints an equally inaccurate portrait.

Centerfield Nov 18 2019 11:41 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There's a difference between making fun of Christianity and pointing out what Christians have done (or what's been done-- or, probably more accurately, is being done-- in its name). There have been multiple references in this forum, though not from you, to Christians and their "magical sky fairy" or something along those lines and athletes belittled as "Jesus freaks" because they are open about their beliefs. That's more in line with the first part of what you wrote than the latter. It smacks of bigotry. If you look for examples of Christians or groups of Christians who have done bad things, you'll have no shortage of examples. That's true of any group of fallible humans -- and why services start with the recognition of the need for forgivness. But to paint with a broad brush in inaccurate, and to ignore the many, many good things done in His name paints an equally inaccurate portrait. Agreed that Christianity, like any other religion, shouldn't be belittled. Here or anywhere else. That being said, things that are completely fair game: 1. Athletes who are mocked because they use their faith as part of their brand, rather than a sincere belief. 2. Those who use Christianity as justification for their bigotry 3. Those who use Christianity as proof that their position/opinion/outlook is better than another's. 4. Anyone who asks for money in exchange for "blessings".

whippoorwill Nov 18 2019 12:46 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There's a difference between making fun of Christianity and pointing out what Christians have done (or what's been done-- or, probably more accurately, is being done-- in its name). There have been multiple references in this forum, though not from you, to Christians and their "magical sky fairy" or something along those lines and athletes belittled as "Jesus freaks" because they are open about their beliefs. That's more in line with the first part of what you wrote than the latter. It smacks of bigotry. If you look for examples of Christians or groups of Christians who have done bad things, you'll have no shortage of examples. That's true of any group of fallible humans -- and why services start with the recognition of the need for forgivness. But to paint with a broad brush in inaccurate, and to ignore the many, many good things done in His name paints an equally inaccurate portrait. Exactly so. Guys I'm in and out today but I'm following this closely because it certainly pertains to me My beef with Christian belittlement (word?)is that it seems to be painted with a broad brush You can be Christian and VERY liberal, as I am. As my pastor is. As my mom is. Yet you can be Christian and very obtuse, such as several other members of my family. It's like any other sample of people; we all have our own beliefs and personalities but our faith in God and JC is what we have in common. Sometimes that's the only thing...

whippoorwill Nov 18 2019 01:05 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Oh and one other thing, I have never,ever felt as though anyone was belittling me here at CPF I want to make that clear :)

Ceetar Nov 18 2019 01:32 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I think it's safe to say we're all referring to the political arm of christianity, especially in this thread, and not anyone's personal faith. i.e. Mike Pence and the others that use christianity as a weapon to make personal decisions for women, couples that want to get married, have safe sex, simply want to not have to hide that they're gay/trans/other from their employer, and all the other things.

41Forever Nov 18 2019 02:23 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I think it's safe to say we're all referring to the political arm of christianity, especially in this thread, and not anyone's personal faith. i.e. Mike Pence and the others that use christianity as a weapon to make personal decisions for women, couples that want to get married, have safe sex, simply want to not have to hide that they're gay/trans/other from their employer, and all the other things. I don't know how the references to the "magical invisible man in the sky" pertains to a politically active arm. 1. Athletes who are mocked because they use their faith as part of their brand, rather than a sincere belief. How are you able to determine who is a sincere believer and who uses faith as part of a brand?

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2019 02:35 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Is this now the in-Christianity thread? Asking for a jockey friend. https://www.animalsaustralia.org/documents/rendered-images/documentsfeaturesimages279751000horsewhipsfeaturejpg___940.420_0_0__85.jpg?dl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animalsaustralia.org%2Fresources%2Fresample.php%3Fx%3D940%26y%3D420%26q%3D85%26i%3D%2Fdocuments%2Ffeatures%2Fimages%2F27975_1000-horse-whips-feature.jpg>

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 18 2019 03:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

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Centerfield Nov 18 2019 04:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=41Forever post_id=26758 time=1574112225 user_id=69] 1. Athletes who are mocked because they use their faith as part of their brand, rather than a sincere belief. How are you able to determine who is a sincere believer and who uses faith as part of a brand?

It can be tough to tell I guess.



This is obviously a reference to Tim Tebow, who has been criticized for overt displays of religion as part of his brand, part of his marketing. To clarify, I don't know if this is true or not. I've never followed him enough to know if this is the case or not.



But if the criticisms of him were true, then he'd be no better than those hypocrite televangelists asking you for money.



Any athlete genuinely displaying their faith should not be mocked. Any religion, Christianity included.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 08:45 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lt. Col. Vindman is not here to play.

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 08:55 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

It's nice to know that there are still good people in the world like Col. Vindman.

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 09:00 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Lt. Col. Vindman is not here to play. Lt. Col. Vindman wrote: “I want to state that the vile character attacks on these distinguished and honorable public servants is reprehensible. It is natural to disagree and engage in spirited debate, this has been our custom since the time of our Founding Fathers, but we are better than callow and cowardly attacks.” “The uniform I wear today is that of the United States Army. The members of our all-volunteer force are made up of a patchwork of people from all ethnicities, religions, and socio-economic backgrounds who come together under a common oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. We do not serve any particular political party, we serve the nation." Um. Yeah.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 19 2019 09:00 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

These dopey R scumbags like Nunes are well aware they have nothing and so are using these public hearings to further smear private US citizens.

Lefty Specialist Nov 19 2019 09:22 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, so much for the 'it was only hearsay' defense. And there's a mysterious call between Pence and Zelenskyy we didn't know about before.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 09:34 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I was impressed that he insisted Representative Nunes address him by his rank. #Ballz Phun Phact: Lieutenant Colonel Vindman's twin brother may be called to testify as well. [FIMG=450]https://d1i4t8bqe7zgj6.cloudfront.net/10-29-2019/t_854cd80650504df0acbe65919f37a2cf_name_1___1920x1080___30p_00_00_08_14_Still014.png[/FIMG] [FIMG=450]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/28/us/politics/28dc-vindman-02/28dc-vindman-02-mobileMasterAt3x.png[/FIMG] [FIMG=450]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/28/us/politics/28dc-vindman/28dc-vindman-facebookJumbo.png[/FIMG]

batmagadanleadoff Nov 19 2019 09:39 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2019 09:46 AM

There's a difference between making fun of Christianity and pointing out what Christians have done (or what's been done-- or, probably more accurately, is being done-- in its name). There have been multiple references in this forum, though not from you, to Christians and their "magical sky fairy" or something along those lines and athletes belittled as "Jesus freaks" because they are open about their beliefs. That's more in line with the first part of what you wrote than the latter. It smacks of bigotry. If you look for examples of Christians or groups of Christians who have done bad things, you'll have no shortage of examples. That's true of any group of fallible humans -- and why services start with the recognition of the need for forgivness. But to paint with a broad brush in inaccurate, and to ignore the many, many good things done in His name paints an equally inaccurate portrait. Don't even know where to start with this vile misleading post. I'm not even gonna try because I'll be writing for hours about insights and truths that've been written about for ages. So I'm just gonna write a crazy scatter shot rant, until I run out of patience and interest. Let's start with this disgusting nugget: There have been multiple references in this forum, though not from you, to Christians and their "magical sky fairy" or something along those lines.... It smacks of bigotry. Bigotry? Did you say Bigotry? First of all, put me down for some of that. I definitely referred to "the invisible man in the sky who makes things happen", especially if you (and I do mean you) pray to him. I got news for you: that's what most atheists think, whether you like it or not. But according to you, atheists are bigots practicing their bigotry because they reject this absurd god idea that defies every scientific principle and for which there's no goddamn evidence and nobody's ever seen the invisible man in the sky who's about as likely to exist as Jack and the Beanstalk. Even though us "bigots" have the same right to disbelieve as you do to believe. Aren't you the one who goes around saying this insulting condescending horseshit "hate the sin, not the sinner"? So wouldn't "hate the belief, not the believer" work just the same? Because I don't recall any posts here where individuals were singled out for their beliefs. But let's talk about bigots and religion with a politics spin since you're in a politics thread. So you belong to this vile Republican party -- you've even worked in their administration -- directly under the top GOP in your state. This GOP exists on a foundation of voter suppression and voter purges that's squarely aimed at minorities --- a political party that openly courts the worst racists in this country, the racist elements of the old confederacy slavery belt that would bring back slavery if they could. And your GOP wouldn't exist without the support of this group. You support this party wholeheartedly. And that doesn't make you a bigot? Forgiveness? No way. The bad deeds in the name of your invisible man in the sky are too horrific. Forgiveness will only encourage more of the same. You're gonna forgive Hitler, for example? And who the hell are you to do that? You think you can cover up the bad deeds by giving out free sandwiches and winter coats to a few needy people?

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 09:44 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Oh, boy, here comes Congressman Jordan.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 09:46 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And now he's trying to suss out the whistleblower.

Double Switch Nov 19 2019 10:57 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLsROO0IOZA

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 11:03 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Do you think Congressman Jordan's friends, family, and co-workers find him as repulsive as I do?

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 12:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Imagine being a dickhead Congressman and having the audacity to question the patriotism of a decorated active member of the military to protect the draft dodger who is an actual traitor.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 12:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

You know, there may be an escape hatch here for the country. The president makes an unscheduled visit to the hospital, says it's for his exam, and whatever. But now there's this golden pretext. In a week or two, say that the boys at the lab found something. It's not fatal, but it will take extensive treatment and he will regretfully have to resign his presidency. He retires to Assburgia, tweets like a mofo, and Constitutional confrontations are averted.

Double Switch Nov 19 2019 12:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

All I'm saying is that if you're a Christian, and you follow the teachings of your faith and of Jesus as I understand it, that you should find our current President to be intellectually incapable, and socially inept, and morally reprehensible. And if you don't, well, you're lying to yourself, or you're a moron, or you're full of shit. That's about it, from where I stand. I am not a Christian. I follow no religion. That said, I "find our current President to be intellectually incapable, and socially inept, and morally reprehensible." You don't need religion to believe the truth your brain tells you.

kcmets Nov 19 2019 01:05 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Not sure Assburgia would take him, more likely he'd seek exile in Lower Scrotbaglia.

LWFS Nov 19 2019 02:10 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Do you think Congressman Jordan's friends, family, and co-workers find him as repulsive as I do? Right? I'm listening on the radio, and I remember thinking to myself, even if this guy were on my side, I'd constantly be resisting the urge to blurt "GOD, SHUT UP" to nobody in particular.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 02:18 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He's the Little League parent that makes the rest of the parents not want to come to the games anymore.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 03:49 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

No matter which way this breaks, Mayor Giuliani has a damn good chance of going to jail, doesn't he?

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 04:31 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There are those that were surprised that Giuliani hasn't already been thrown to the wolves to save Trump's ass. Rudy hints that he has "insurance" though, in case that happens. https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-says-insurance-in-case-trump-makes-him-fall-guy-2019-11 Imagine that. The President's personal lawyer, in a television interview, that he has dirt on him. In another world, we would be speculating "What in the world could the President have done that he could be hiding?" In our world, we are shocked that anything could come out that would actually embarrass the President.

Double Switch Nov 19 2019 05:09 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

In our world, we are shocked that anything could come out that would actually embarrass the President. I doubt anything embarrasses Trump. Whatever Rudy has on him is infuriating/incriminating to Trump, not embarrassing. Rudy better be watching not only his back but all 360 degrees of himself. Also, imhpov, when anyone claims "joke," it's not.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 07:06 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Oh, things embarrass the president — just, you know, nothing that he considers embarrassing was actually his fault. But he HATES that he can't control the narrative.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 09:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Also, amazing how the president thinks it makes him look good to report that he doesn't know who any of these patriots are.

Double Switch Nov 19 2019 10:48 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Also, amazing how the president thinks it makes him look good to report that he doesn't know who any of these patriots are. It's his "deny/attack" strategy he continues to rely on. It's a component of his standard obligatory "lashing out." Do you believe he's capable of imagining an outcome where he doesn't look good? He thinks this is winning. . . . which could have been the reason for his 2-hour non-golfcentric visit to Walter Reed.

LWFS Nov 20 2019 04:59 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Missed the Volker/Morrison stuff in the evening, and just caught up with the bullets... jeezalou, between confirming that everyone seemed to understand there was a quid pro quo on the table and giving more call-context, the Republican witnesses may have been more damning than the pair in the morning.

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 05:55 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yeah, hard to see how Republicans thought this would HELP their case. But they pretty much have nothing. Everyone pretty much agrees, "Yeah, he did it". The Republican defense basically consists of throwing the cards in the air and flipping the table. Sondland's testimony today should be really interesting. He spoke directly with the president on a number of occasions (including in front of witnesses at a Kyiv Applebee's). He's the one who can really tie Trump directly to the bribery/extortion. Will he be honest? Will he lie his ass off? Will he take the 5th? Boy, that million bucks he donated to Trump is looking like a bad investment now.

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 05:58 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

There are those that were surprised that Giuliani hasn't already been thrown to the wolves to save Trump's ass. Rudy hints that he has "insurance" though, in case that happens. https://upolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1024px-William_Barr2019crop.jpg>

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 07:29 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Sondland throwing Rudy under the bus, backing over him, then getting another bus and doing it all over. Also admitting to the quid pro quo in his conversations with Cheeto Benito.

LWFS Nov 20 2019 08:39 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

He has a lovely, thorough singing voice. More name-naming than Mambo Number Five over here.

whippoorwill Nov 20 2019 09:04 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lolol

LWFS Nov 20 2019 09:06 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Cue the hurried, bumbling, ad-libbed character assassination of Ambassador Sondland in 3... 2...

Centerfield Nov 20 2019 09:16 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

What's glorious is that they never saw it coming. From Sondland's point of view, the choice is obvious. He tells the truth, he falls out of favor with Trump. He goes back to being a very rich man. He goes to bat from Trump, then he's at his mercy begging for a pardon. I'm guessing he saw what happened to Michael Cohen, and Paul Manafort, and Roger Stone and decided telling the truth might be the way to go.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 09:40 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

GARY: Amazing! Sondland hit that one over the Shea Bridge!! RON: Wait a minute here. Congressman Jordan is coming out of the dugout. He's actually going to use his challenge on this play! KEITH: I don't know what he's doing, Ronnie. Don't start BEGGING. Come on! Keep it moving, keep it MOVING! GARY: Amazing! Sondland hit that one over the Shea Bridge!! I can't imagine this will be a long conversation with Chelsea and ... NOPE, the headphones come off and they're calling it a homerun. RON: That was fair by 120 feet! Ambassador Taylor apparently caught the ball. Steve Gelbs is going to trot out and talk to him. He's out there holding the ball, ... GARY: I see 1969 Met Ron Taylor is apparently out there with him. KEITH: And he looks good! I'm sorry, Ronnie. You were saying? RON: He's out there holding the ball, clearly in fair territory by any sane definition of "fair." KEITH: Jeezy-peezy. What's going on?! GARY: Well, you said it Ronnie. it was fair by any sane definition. I'm not sure were in that kind of territory anymore. The game still is being held up ... Jordan is still trying to have his say, although I don't know what he can possibly ... did you see him pointing at the headphones there? KEITH: It's a protest, Gar! RON: That's what he's doing, Gary! He's playing this game under protest! He's contending that since the ruling from Chelsea came through the headphones, it should count as hearsay and be inadmissible. KEITH: Oh, for the love of ... GARY: You know, for 150 years, through all sorts of history, this game was ... RONNIE: It's outrageous! KEITH: Ronnie can say that. He went to Yale. Me, I'm speechless, Gar. GARY: Keith Hernandez, paid to speak, and now he's speechless, and that speaks volumes. KEITH: I mean, if that's hearsay, Gar ... GARY: I know. RONNIE: Outrageous. KEITH: You went to Yale. GARY: We're going to go to a ... much-needed ... break. KEITH: Hearsay. My, my, my ...

LWFS Nov 20 2019 09:53 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Hee

LWFS Nov 20 2019 09:55 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

NUNES: [Walks through stands aimlessly, throwing hot dogs and printouts of Daily Caller articles in various directions]

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 11:22 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

CHILD OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS: "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS"

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 11:39 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: CHILD OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS: "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS" AMBASSADOR WHO GOT HIS JOB THROUGH A QUID PRO QUO CASH TRANSACTION ADMITS THAT THE PRESIDENT EXTORTED UKRAINE WITH AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL QUID PRO QUO* *Not a prima facie element of the underlying impeachable offense.

ashie62 Nov 20 2019 11:50 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The House of Representatives will vote in favor of impeachment. When Nixon went to trial it took some supporters, led by Barry Goldwater,to tell Nixon we can no longer support you. Nixon resigns Today, in the Senate a few Republicans may walk away from Trump and that would likely end this presidency. Trump "should" negotiate resignation with immunity from prosecution on his departure if possible.

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 11:59 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Not. Gonna. Happen. A sane Republican party might do that, but this is a party of crazies and Trump sycophants. They'll lash themselves to the mast and you won't get 20 of them to cross the aisle no matter what happens. There are no statesmen to speak truth to power. They're cringing wussies. I wish that it were not so, but even if you had Trump on videotape selling out to the Russians, it wouldn't matter. We're deeply into Party over Country territory now. And besides, Trump negotiating his resignation? Seriously? That would involve him admitting wrongdoing, and he'll never do that.

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 12:06 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Trump channeling his inner Spike Lee. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1QvjgWkAIl4j9?format=jpg&name=small>

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 12:12 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Not. Gonna. Happen. A sane Republican party might do that, but this is a party of crazies and Trump sycophants. They'll lash themselves to the mast and you won't get 20 of them to cross the aisle no matter what happens. There are no statesmen to speak truth to power. They're cringing wussies. I wish that it were not so, but even if you had Trump on videotape selling out to the Russians, it wouldn't matter. We're deeply into Party over Country territory now. And besides, Trump negotiating his resignation? Seriously? That would involve him admitting wrongdoing, and he'll never do that. One of the reasons GOP senators are crazy -- and they are -- is because their base is crazy. This isn't 1974 any more. In 1974, people disagreed, as people will always disagree -- but in 1974 everyone was working from the same underlying set of facts. Today, facts aren't what they used to be. Today, facts are malleable. And too many people get their so-called facts from highly unreliable sources like FOX and Facebook. It's Party over Country territory for sure, but with a lot of 1984 --not 1974-- thrown in.

Ceetar Nov 20 2019 12:25 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The real trick would be opening up some avenue of profit for the republicans that includes convicting him. Of course, probably none of those avenues are tolerable. Things like getting to nominate the next supreme court justice, etc. What's probably not enough is orchestrating it so it looks like some "big manly Republican candidate for president" steps up for reason and America! and convinces his compatriots to oust the guy, painting himself as the hero that's saved us and the best choice to lead us forward. I mean, that's fine if it ousts president Snow, but he better go the way of president Coin afterwards.

Lefty Specialist Nov 20 2019 02:30 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Well, think how much they hate the prospect of president Pence to keep rallying around Trump. Pence would give them their tax cuts and judges without the Russian kompromat. Yes, Pence is somewhat involved, but if there's a 1% chance of Trump being removed, there's about a .01% chance of Pence doing the perp walk. That'd mean President Pelosi.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 03:39 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Trump channeling his inner Spike Lee. I hear we get testimony from Buggin' Out nine AM tomorrow.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 08:20 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I don't know if you all saw that Tim Morrison guy stand up, but he's, like, really tall. He must be the only guy in Washington who looks down at James Comey. Seven-foot-one. https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_47/3109231/191119-tim-morrison-mn-1505_7aa8de7d4cce24b88bfe4980a6c523e0.fit-760w.jpg>

Lefty Specialist Nov 21 2019 06:15 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/740011/large/oprahEverybodyGoes001.jpg?1574339910> I will call it.........The ALAN PARSONS PROJECT!!!! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1dKr9XsAEXR53.jpg>

Centerfield Nov 21 2019 06:43 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

What an amazing picture. 2019 folks.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 06:50 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

"My watch is worth more than your car! So there..."

Centerfield Nov 21 2019 07:00 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

"My watch is worth more than your car! So there..." Iwo Jima. The Kissing Sailor. Migrant Mother. Ali standing over Liston. And now, Gordon Fucking Sondland.

Lefty Specialist Nov 21 2019 07:16 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Meanwhile, Gordon Sondland has virtually vanished from Fox News' front page. I wonder why? Big piece on the Clinton Foundation going broke, though.

ashie62 Nov 21 2019 07:20 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Not. Gonna. Happen. A sane Republican party might do that, but this is a party of crazies and Trump sycophants. They'll lash themselves to the mast and you won't get 20 of them to cross the aisle no matter what happens. There are no statesmen to speak truth to power. They're cringing wussies. I wish that it were not so, but even if you had Trump on videotape selling out to the Russians, it wouldn't matter. We're deeply into Party over Country territory now. And besides, Trump negotiating his resignation? Seriously? That would involve him admitting wrongdoing, and he'll never do that. Well then it wont be like Nixon I guess I trul do believe they will vote to impeach and hope for the best I am a Pete Buttigieg supporter

Lefty Specialist Nov 21 2019 07:21 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Fiona Hill's statement: Based on questions and statements I have heard, some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves. https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/30/30ca5e64766b8ccfeb016aeed6e29b86.jpeg>

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 08:28 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Dr. Hill got a game face.

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 08:41 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: I will call it.........The ALAN PARSONS PROJECT!!!! [fimg=700]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1dKr9XsAEXR53.jpg[/fimg] Check out Congressman Rangel — censured in 2010 and gets his portrait hung in the Hearing Room in 2011.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 09:02 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=Centerfield post_id=26910 time=1574344854 user_id=65]Iwo Jima. The Kissing Sailor. Migrant Mother. Ali standing over Liston. And now, Gordon Fucking Sondland.

Are you saying those images are as contrived as today's image?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 21 2019 09:17 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=26918 time=1574352166 user_id=53] =Centerfield post_id=26910 time=1574344854 user_id=65]Iwo Jima. The Kissing Sailor. Migrant Mother. Ali standing over Liston. And now, Gordon Fucking Sondland.

Are you saying those images are as contrived as today's image?


The famous Iwo Jima photo was staged. And there is, or was, controversy over the kissing sailor photo, too.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 09:36 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I know, just asking.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 09:54 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Restated: Are you saying those images are 'AS contrived' as today's image?

Methead Nov 21 2019 11:41 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Fiona Hill isn't putting up with any of this shit

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 11:51 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Go, Amanda Plummer-lookalike.

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 12:17 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Trump channeling his inner Spike Lee. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ1QvjgWkAIl4j9?format=jpg&name=small> This is getting too easy, isn't it? [TWEET]https://twitter.com/SaoSasha/status/1197320791706263552[/TWEET]

kcmets Nov 21 2019 12:25 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I can't tell how old Mr. Holmes might be but I think he could be a nephew or greatnephew of Gwedylyn and Cecily Pidgeon? The book deals dancing through his head, but quickly on Ebay for a buck barely read/used rack. Agreed with Dr. Hill being one of the better to take a mic thus far.

Lefty Specialist Nov 21 2019 12:27 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Fiona Hill sounds like an investigator on all of those British detective shows my wife loves to watch.

Lefty Specialist Nov 21 2019 12:33 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

lol. Gordon Sondland Complained Giuliani ‘F*cks Everything Up,' Diplomat Testifies

Centerfield Nov 21 2019 12:57 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Fiona Hill's opening statement. Wow. Basically tells the GOP "Russia is fucking with us. Wake the fuck up you dickhead morons."

Willets Point Nov 21 2019 01:02 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: You know, there may be an escape hatch here for the country. The president makes an unscheduled visit to the hospital, says it's for his exam, and whatever. But now there's this golden pretext. In a week or two, say that the boys at the lab found something. It's not fatal, but it will take extensive treatment and he will regretfully have to resign his presidency. He retires to Assburgia, tweets like a mofo, and Constitutional confrontations are averted. And gets a full pardon from Pence.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 01:11 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Chopped liver. Again.

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 01:37 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: You know, there may be an escape hatch here for the country. The president makes an unscheduled visit to the hospital, says it's for his exam, and whatever. But now there's this golden pretext. In a week or two, say that the boys at the lab found something. It's not fatal, but it will take extensive treatment and he will regretfully have to resign his presidency. He retires to Assburgia, tweets like a mofo, and Constitutional confrontations are averted. And gets a full pardon from Pence. If that's the way it rolls out, so be it.

Centerfield Nov 21 2019 02:07 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: You know, there may be an escape hatch here for the country. The president makes an unscheduled visit to the hospital, says it's for his exam, and whatever. But now there's this golden pretext. In a week or two, say that the boys at the lab found something. It's not fatal, but it will take extensive treatment and he will regretfully have to resign his presidency. He retires to Assburgia, tweets like a mofo, and Constitutional confrontations are averted. And gets a full pardon from Pence. If that's the way it rolls out, so be it. No way. I think someone wise once said "Let me know when he's in an orange jumpsuit". That has to happen. It has to.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2019 02:08 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Hopefully he'll be nailed on some non-federal crimes.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 02:19 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

We all hope for the same-end result, except for a few sprinkled posters here. Schiff is spooky, hope his day comes and he gets some better eye care. Or less potent weed while on duty.

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 02:27 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

And Congressman Schiff gets his applause. Yeah, I find him spookily unflappable, when my friends online say they want to put a [CROSSOUT]steak[/CROSSOUT] stake through Congressman Jordan's head. I'm afraid that they're just going to stabbing their TVs. Not-So-Fun Fact: Congressman Jordan isn't even on this committee. He was only placed there as a last second substitute by Minority Leader McCarthy, having Congressman Rick Crawford (R-Arkansas) temporarily resign so Rep. Jordan's act could be part of the show.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2019 02:32 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

A steak? Or a stake?

Double Switch Nov 21 2019 04:00 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

“We aren't finished yet,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Thursday. “As I said to the president, if you have any information that is exculpatory, please bring it forward, because it seems that the facts are uncontested as to what happened.” Should Trump accept this invitation (after someone explains exculpatory to him), he knows it will hammer the last nail into his gold-plated coffin. Even his 66.5 million breathless Twitter followers have to know that. The only people who cannot accept that are all the GOP senators, which is another acre of worms in itself.

kcmets Nov 21 2019 04:34 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 21 2019 05:48 PM

I find Centerfieled's ignoring me again hurtful. Everyone preaching this and that; tolerance for all unless you're not one of us. Edited for clarity and poor grammar 07:48 PM

MFS62 Nov 21 2019 05:25 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Basically tells the GOP "Russia is fucking with us. Wake the fuck up you dickhead morons." But it sounds SO much better when you say it with her accent. Later

Edgy MD Nov 21 2019 08:24 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Edgy MD wrote: Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: You know, there may be an escape hatch here for the country. The president makes an unscheduled visit to the hospital, says it's for his exam, and whatever. But now there's this golden pretext. In a week or two, say that the boys at the lab found something. It's not fatal, but it will take extensive treatment and he will regretfully have to resign his presidency. He retires to Assburgia, tweets like a mofo, and Constitutional confrontations are averted. And gets a full pardon from Pence. If that's the way it rolls out, so be it. No way. I think someone wise once said "Let me know when he's in an orange jumpsuit". That has to happen. It has to. One thing at a time. Besides, the theoretical President Pence would not be able to protect him from a state court, or an international court. If he wants to waste whatever juice he has on our criminal president, that's the play he's going to make Removal would be unprecendented. If it's instead a resignation, then it's once-precedented. I can't allow myself to look too far down the road. His forced exit from office would be just amazin'.

Centerfield Nov 21 2019 09:04 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=kcmets post_id=26972 time=1574379250 user_id=53] I find Centerfieled's ignoring me again hurtful. Everyone preaching this and that; tolerance for all unless you're not one of us. Edited for clarity and poor grammar 07:48 PM

Huh? Did I miss something? Sorry KC.

Lefty Specialist Nov 22 2019 07:23 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Not a single Republican votes for removal. I'll call it now.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2019 07:44 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Lefty Specialist wrote: Not a single Republican votes for removal. I'll call it now. Not even Susan Collins?

Centerfield Nov 22 2019 08:37 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Polls indicate support for impeachment and removal have dropped slightly. And she went to lunch with Trump, so no. No votes. I shake my head at this nation we live in. We are really going to just let democracy die because people want to be told it's ok to be racist.

Lefty Specialist Nov 22 2019 08:50 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Yup, Collins and Romney, the two that would be closest to voting for removal, had lunch with Trump yesterday. There will be no deviation from the plan, unfortunately. It's basically jury tampering, but it passes with a shrug.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 22 2019 08:53 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=Centerfield post_id=26990 time=1574437024 user_id=65] Polls indicate support for impeachment and removal have dropped slightly. And she went to lunch with Trump, so no. No votes.

Maybe Collins met Trump to discuss that she might need to vote to convict in the upcoming impeachment trial to save her senate seat, and that the electorate will fall for her empty vote because, as Trump knows, they're so stupid and gullible. They'll believe anything. Like that laid-off midwestern factory workers are gonna get back their $75/hr. jobs. Any day now.

seawolf17 Nov 22 2019 09:21 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

=Centerfield post_id=26990 time=1574437024 user_id=65]I shake my head at this nation we live in. We are really going to just let democracy die because people want to be told it's ok to be racist.

I mean, yes, but the actual reason none of them will vote for him to be convicted is because they're likely getting enormous financial incentive *not* to do so. The racism is just the cherry on top.

Edgy MD Nov 22 2019 11:45 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: A steak? Or a stake? Thank you for reading.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 22 2019 11:47 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

I like the visuals of a "steak through his head".

Double Switch Nov 22 2019 01:38 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mWTDI4aQZY

Lefty Specialist Nov 23 2019 01:54 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Giuliani associate willing to testify Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian official about Biden probe, attorney says Documents released to ethics group show Giuliani, Pompeo contacts before Ukraine ambassador was ousted Yeah, I think they should probably talk to a few more people before they wrap this up. Every day it seems there's something new. If it weren't so serious, it'd be hilarious that Nunes was in Vienna trying to make his own conspiracy theories come true, then castigating honest civil servants for telling him it's all bullshit.

MFS62 Nov 23 2019 03:30 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Eric and Junior are out hunting for a Bald Eagle to serve on Thanksgiving. They'll cook it over burning copies of the Constitution. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 23 2019 04:36 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

With a side of borscht, and rounds of vodka for all.

Edgy MD Nov 23 2019 05:37 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

If anybody asks you how can you impeach him when he actually released the aid, ask them how they can charge you with terrorism when your underwear never succeeded in blowing up the plane.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 26 2019 10:41 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

But instead, on top of everything else, they insult everybody's intelligence by holding out Trump as some paragon of virtue and Christian values There's no way you even have the time to find instances of painting paragons- of-this and values-of-that by some wingnuts in the bible belt. But I know you like to lay it on thick once you get going... so, I get it. But I also think to a large ex- tent you're making stuff up sometimes for effect. You were saying? Rick Perry says Trump is the 'chosen one' sent 'to do great things' https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/471868-rick-perry-says-trump-is-the-chosen-one And a response: Rick Perry Declared Trump God's 'Chosen One' and the Fox & Friends Agreed What a healthy attitude towards the president of a democratic republic. excerpt: It's difficult to overstate the role of magical thinking in the rise of Donald Trump, American president. My colleague Charles P. Pierce has traced the decline of reason in Republican politics back to the conservative movement's adoption, under Ronald Reagan, of supply-side economics as an article of faith. (At the time, George H.W. Bush derided this as "voodoo economics.") But there is clearly something of another level going on now, as the most devoutly heathen man ever to occupy the Oval Office—who's cheated relentlessly on every wife he's ever had, who's routinely demonstrated he is totally unfamiliar with Biblical teachings, and who has in fact shown outright disdain for believers—is clung to by the Evangelical right as The Second Coming. What principles of Jesus Christ does Donald Trump embody? Or perhaps the better question would be which of the Seven Deadly Sins—pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth—does he not? The notion is absurd on its face that this president, who spent a lifetime racking up allegations that he ripped off small-business contractors and participated in multigenerational tax-fraud schemes and called up tabloid reporters under a false name to share details of his own sex life, is God's representative on earth. Unless, of course, you have determined he is God's representative based on the fact he's got an (R) next to his name and will nominate judges who will uphold abortion restrictions.... Apparently, Trump's election was part of God's Plan, which prompts the eternal question of when something is part of the Plan and when it's the result of God's decision to give humans free will, which seems to have been a questionable call in any case. If this is part of the Plan, you've got to ask how great this Plan really is. As George Carlin once put it: Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. Nobody is challenging your right to have a personal relationship with your god. (And I'm not necessarily referring to you.) But this "chosen one" horseshit is precisely the abuse of religion to manipulate others that's been going on since the beginning of religion itself. It'd be a pleasant surprise if some of you devout believers would decry this shit about Trump being the chosen one but I'm not holding my breath. This is exactly what I was talking about when my older post kicked off this particular discussion. Of course, in the end, atheists get blasted for simply expressing their secular views. We're not allowed to express our opinions because there's more of youse than there are of us and because when we do so, youse take it as a personal insult to your ways of life. Not that you'd ever think that maybe we don't like it when youse bombard us with your ways of seeing things. Never mind that once upon a time, most people thought the world was flat.

Double Switch Nov 26 2019 10:51 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Wasn't Jesus the Chosen One? I ask because I not only flunked Sunday school but also refused to attend. It was empowering to learn that my parents decided forcing me to do something that I hated that much was not worth the battle. Since then, I thought Anakin was the chosen one. But if Trump is supposedly the chosen one, God has severely lowered His standards.

kcmets Nov 26 2019 11:29 AM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

But instead, on top of everything else, they insult everybody's intelligence by holding out Trump as some paragon of virtue and Christian values There's no way you even have the time to find instances of painting paragons- of-this and values-of-that by some wingnuts in the bible belt. But I know you like to lay it on thick once you get going... so, I get it. But I also think to a large ex- tent you're making stuff up sometimes for effect. You were saying? Rick Perry says Trump is the 'chosen one' sent 'to do great things' https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/471868-rick-perry-says-trump-is-the-chosen-one And a response: Rick Perry Declared Trump God's 'Chosen One' and the Fox & Friends Agreed What a healthy attitude towards the president of a democratic republic. excerpt: It's difficult to overstate the role of magical thinking in the rise of Donald Trump, American president. My colleague Charles P. Pierce has traced the decline of reason in Republican politics back to the conservative movement's adoption, under Ronald Reagan, of supply-side economics as an article of faith. (At the time, George H.W. Bush derided this as "voodoo economics.") But there is clearly something of another level going on now, as the most devoutly heathen man ever to occupy the Oval Office—who's cheated relentlessly on every wife he's ever had, who's routinely demonstrated he is totally unfamiliar with Biblical teachings, and who has in fact shown outright disdain for believers—is clung to by the Evangelical right as The Second Coming. What principles of Jesus Christ does Donald Trump embody? Or perhaps the better question would be which of the Seven Deadly Sins—pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth—does he not? The notion is absurd on its face that this president, who spent a lifetime racking up allegations that he ripped off small-business contractors and participated in multigenerational tax-fraud schemes and called up tabloid reporters under a false name to share details of his own sex life, is God's representative on earth. Unless, of course, you have determined he is God's representative based on the fact he's got an (R) next to his name and will nominate judges who will uphold abortion restrictions.... Apparently, Trump's election was part of God's Plan, which prompts the eternal question of when something is part of the Plan and when it's the result of God's decision to give humans free will, which seems to have been a questionable call in any case. If this is part of the Plan, you've got to ask how great this Plan really is. As George Carlin once put it: Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. Nobody is challenging your right to have a personal relationship with your god. (And I'm not necessarily referring to you.) But this "chosen one" horseshit is precisely the abuse of religion to manipulate others that's been going on since the beginning of religion itself. It'd be a pleasant surprise if some of you devout believers would decry this shit about Trump being the chosen one but I'm not holding my breath. This is exactly what I was talking about when my older post kicked off this particular discussion. Of course, in the end, atheists get blasted for simply expressing their secular views. We're not allowed to express our opinions because there's more of youse than there are of us and because when we do so, youse take it as a personal insult to your ways of life. Not that you'd ever think that maybe we don't like it when youse bombard us with your ways of seeing things. Never mind that once upon a time, most people thought the world was flat. Yeah, saw this in other places this morning.

Double Switch Nov 26 2019 05:20 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Trump fails again at spinning reality: “It is a Democrat Scam that is going nowhere but, future Presidents should in no way be compromised,” Trump wrote. “What has happened to me should never happen to another President!” In a shocking display of awareness, Trump concedes his "president for life" grift has no legs. On the other hand, he believes he's a genuine president. Further, he thinks he's done nothing to warrant this attention. Future presidents, not from the GOP, should have nothing to worry about, according to Trump. That is, presumably, true because who truly wants to "out Trump" Trump?

whippoorwill Nov 26 2019 06:05 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Double Switch wrote: Wasn't Jesus the Chosen One? I ask because I not only flunked Sunday school but also refused to attend. It was empowering to learn that my parents decided forcing me to do something that I hated that much was not worth the battle. Since then, I thought Anakin was the chosen one. But if Trump is supposedly the chosen one, God has severely lowered His standards. Don't worry. He's not.

Double Switch Nov 26 2019 06:30 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

Double Switch wrote: Wasn't Jesus the Chosen One? I ask because I not only flunked Sunday school but also refused to attend. It was empowering to learn that my parents decided forcing me to do something that I hated that much was not worth the battle. Since then, I thought Anakin was the chosen one. But if Trump is supposedly the chosen one, God has severely lowered His standards. Don't worry. He's not. Well, you know, that was a sort of rhetorical comment. Repeatedly we were told not to worry about Trump getting elected and look how that turned out. The fact of Trump's election defies logic (but not sabotage). Trump one day will be chosen to work in the laundry wearing his stylish orange jumpsuit. And we all know what happens in the prison laundry - shank!

Edgy MD Nov 26 2019 09:53 PM Re: In-Impeachment Thread (split from Politics in 2019)

The thing is that all this "chosen one" malarkey is such horseshit on the face of it, that it's the sort of stupidity that used to be turned into great straight-man material. ABBOTT: God's used imperfect people all through history. King David wasn't perfect. COSTELLO: David! ABBOTT: Saul wasn't perfect. COSTELLO: Saul! ABBOTT: Solomon wasn't perfect. COSTELLO: Wait a minute ... Solomon, you say? ABBOTT: Yeah, what about him? COSTELLO: Well, at least he could build a wall! ABBOTT: Will you cut that out?! COSTELLO: I'M JUST SAYIN'! You know who else isn't perfect? My Uncle Morty! He's a shoe salesman in Kalamazoo. Somebody make him president. Apparently not being perfect is a SHINING QUALITY these days! --- MARTIN: He was sent to do great things. LEWIS: Well, he's 73? Does he plan on starting anytime soon? --- CROSBY: Trump was anointed by God. HOPE: Are you sure He wasn't trying to drown him? I mean, maybe all those Egyptian soldiers thought they were being "anointed" also. CROSBY: Will you just ... HOPE: It's just that you can never tell with anointings until it's too late. Gulp! --- ROWAN: Trump was sent by God. MARTIN: What happened? Did He run out of locusts? ----- GEORGE: I actually gave the president a little one-pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago and I shared it with him. GRACIE: A one-pager? A month ago? GEORGE: Yes. GRACIE: Has he been able to finish it yet? GEORGE: Now Gracie, Dear. He's a very busy man. GRACIE: Oh, I know he is. GEORGE: So there you go. GRACIE: I can't see how a person has the time to do anything when he spends three years complaining about an election he won. GEORGE: Say goodnight, Gracie. GRACIE: Trump's a racist.