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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019


Whitney Houston 3 votes

B.I.G. 2 votes

Dave Matthews Band 2 votes

Doobie Brothers 7 votes

Motörhead 2 votes

Pat Benetar 7 votes

Soundgarden 1 votes

T. Rex 7 votes

Thin Lizzy 4 votes

Depeche Mode 4 votes

Judas Priest 2 votes

Kraftwerk 5 votes

MC5 5 votes

Nine Inch Nails 3 votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan 4 votes

Todd Rundgren 7 votes

41Forever
Oct 15 2019 11:45 AM

First-time nominees are Whitney Houston, B.I.G., Dave Matthews Band, the Doobie Brothers, Motörhead, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy.



Other returning nominees include Depeche Mode, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Nine Inch Nails, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan and Todd Rundgren.



How is it that the Hall never got around to nominating all those 1970 and 1980s stars until now?

kcmets
Oct 15 2019 12:11 PM
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So long as Madonna is in over 7-8 of the listed I refuse to waste any

additional time or brain cells on this yearly exercise.



(Don't get me wrong, it's a fine tradition here. I just abstain, courteously.)

whippoorwill
Oct 15 2019 12:14 PM
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Doobies, T Rex, Todd Rundgren

Double Switch
Oct 15 2019 01:35 PM
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I'm nebulous regarding what constitutes rock'n'roll. I find it interesting that Kraftwerk is considered r'n'r since "purists" deplored their electronic sound when they showed up in the early '70s. Otoh, I really enjoyed smoking (was still doing that in 1974)/driving to Autobahn. My mom had the same model as that black Benz on the cover - it was the light blue/grey with 4-spd on the stalk.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-G28iyPtz0

TransMonk
Oct 15 2019 04:33 PM
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T. Rex

Thin Lizzy

Depeche Mode

MC5

Nine Inch Nails

ashie62
Oct 15 2019 07:18 PM
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T. Rex

Rundgrem

MC5

41Forever
Oct 15 2019 08:33 PM
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Motorhead

Pat Benatar

Kraftwerk

Judas Priest

Dave Matthews Band

RealityChuck
Oct 16 2019 07:58 AM
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Weak year. No one really stands out.

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2019 08:01 AM
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I'm punting here.

41Forever
Oct 16 2019 08:14 AM
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=RealityChuck post_id=24507 time=1571234282 user_id=82]
Weak year. No one really stands out.



I was thinking it was kind of a strong year. Heavy metal is wildly under represented in the Hall. I think there are just two metal bands in there -- Sabbath and Metallica. So there are more rappers in the Hall than metal bands. Motorhead and Priest would be solid.



I'd put Pat Benatar -- a good Long Islander -- ahead of Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks as a solo artist. I'm not a Doobie Brothers fan, but you'd think they are right in the West Coast wheelhouse and I'm surprised they're not in already.

whippoorwill
Oct 16 2019 08:22 AM
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Re: doobies; I am surprised also. They were a big deal in the 70s



Thinking about Pat Benatar; I might vote for her too though she's not my taste, she's definitely a rocket

whippoorwill
Oct 16 2019 08:22 AM
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Rocker

Chad ochoseis
Oct 16 2019 08:46 AM
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Warren Zevon

Jethro Tull

Harry Nilsson

King Crimson

ELP

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2019 08:47 AM
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Rundgren -- under-recognized giant of rock + soul; influential producer; creative guy who also did prog and powerpop that's good enough to go in

Kraftwerk -- influential and highly cited; creative; waited patiently

*

Doobies -- boogie, harmony, biker favorite from influential scene, lot of rock hits, durable

T-Rex -- textbook glammers; leader dead too soon; influenced Bowie etc.; couple very good albums that still hold up

*

Thin Lizzy -- yeah sure whatever. Soulful Irish hard rock; dead founder; influential Twin Guitar Action progenitors



My thoughts on the others:



Benatar -- couple hits, unique for being a woman but negligible legacy and the songs were only so good. Also a complete nonentity beyond the hit era

Dave Matthews -- consideration only for pioneering the jammy, multicultural sound at the right moment, a lot of stuff that really isn't that good or lasting

Soundgarden -- Couple of good records; infleunce confined to a very brief period. Gets points for recently dead guitarist and rep as musicians

Motorhead -- charismatic charcater said to be an influence but I couldn't hum you a single tune

NIN -- morose, tried too hard to be edgy, listening to them is a chore IMO

Depeche -- admirable longevity, very devoted fans but never much commanded my attention

Judas -- noted for having proven the depth of underlying gayness of metal; could see it given their fans but not my cup of meat

MC5 -- big influence, but very short lifespan, still came near the mainstream except by people assessing influence

Rufus -- donl;t really know em

Whitney -- not rnr by a long shot, great voice but so do the guys in Nelson

BIG -- will probably get in for being shot to death

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2019 08:54 AM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:
Benatar -- couple hits, unique for being a woman but negligible legacy and the songs were only so good. Also a complete nonentity beyond the hit era


But there are at least three girls here at Ridgemont currently working the Pat Benatar look.

Shirley that counts for something.











I like Chad's list better than the real one.

41Forever
Oct 16 2019 09:26 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:
Benatar -- couple hits, unique for being a woman but negligible legacy and the songs were only so good. Also a complete nonentity beyond the hit era


But there are at least three girls here at Ridgemont currently working the Pat Benatar look.

Shirley that counts for something.




I think you are selling Pat a little short! She has two multi-platinum albums, five platinum albums, three gold albums, and 15 Billboard Top 40 singles, including the Top 10 hits. Huge MTV presence.

Willets Point
Oct 16 2019 09:34 AM
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I can make an argument for pretty much everyone on the list, but honestly don't really see the point of the Hall of Fame, or annual elections like this. It should just be 25 years after the first recording the committee decides if the band is "famed" enough to be in or not with no limits on voting, and no carrying over to next year. (Although if a band/artist does something to improve their resume after being considered for the HOF, I suppose they can be reconsidered, but it seems unlikely).

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2019 10:20 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:
Benatar -- couple hits, unique for being a woman but negligible legacy and the songs were only so good. Also a complete nonentity beyond the hit era


But there are at least three girls here at Ridgemont currently working the Pat Benatar look.

Shirley that counts for something.




I think you are selling Pat a little short! She has two multi-platinum albums, five platinum albums, three gold albums, and 15 Billboard Top 40 singles, including the Top 10 hits. Huge MTV presence.


Yeah, didn't mean to understate that. But just about all of that was confined to about 3 years and she'd done almost nothing important or memorable since. The MTV thing I think in her case was very fortunate timing and not all that different from other visually charismatic artists who happened to have product out at that time. Some of them were able to transcend video fame, I'm not sure she really ever did.

whippoorwill
Oct 16 2019 11:22 AM
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Today was obscure U2 Day at the supermarket

smg58
Oct 16 2019 11:34 AM
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Hmm. Could make a decent case for a whole bunch but a great case for nobody.



MC5 and Kraftwek have influence working their favor.



Female artists with less of a resumé (at least solo) than Pat Benatar have gotten in.



80s synth was never my style, but Depeche Mode have an artistry advantage over most of this group.



The Doobie Brothers were basically two different bands with a few common members. But collectively, the Tom Johnston era and the Michael McDonald era have enough good songs going for them to warrant a nod.



I honestly don't feel like I really know enough about T Rex or Motorhead, but I have friends who would swear by them.

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2019 11:45 AM
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Today was obscure U2 Day at the supermarket


"Beautiful Day" seems to be the U2 song of choice for supermarket background music these days. Translated that means that it's the one, or one of the ones, the rights-holders offer for cheap so it makes

it onto the type of lists that stores are willing to pay the royalties for as are modern DJ-less radio stations who have all but admitted that they've given up on even trying to program interesting radio to

the point where they wind up sounding just like the background music to trolling the frozen foods aisle minus the traffic and weather updates.

whippoorwill
Oct 16 2019 12:21 PM
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This was ‘desire' and ‘the sweetest thing'

Haven't heard either in a while



I'd take ‘beautiful day' over most of what they play

Vic Sage
Oct 16 2019 12:45 PM
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Chad ochoseis wrote:

Warren Zevon

Jethro Tull

Harry Nilsson

King Crimson

ELP


i vote for that ballot, but not for any of this year's actual nominees.



on second thought, Rundgren was the producer of BAT OUT OF HELL, and played the motorcycle guitar on the title track. For that alone, he gets my vote.

Vic Sage
Oct 16 2019 01:06 PM
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Whitney -- not rnr by a long shot, great voice but so do the guys in Nelson


That horse left the barn long ago. The RnR HOF includes artists from pop, R&B, soul, jazz, blues, country, hip-hop/rap, gospel, reggae, folk, and everything in between. By "Rock n Roll", they clearly now mean "whatever the kids have listened to since the mid-50s", so getting into the technical requirements of various genres and sub-genres is a pointless exercise, though certainly good for relieving stress.

Vic Sage
Oct 16 2019 01:19 PM
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Pop quiz!



Which of these RnR HOF inductees were primarily RnR performers:



Randy Newman

Brenda Lee

Bobby Darren

Grandmaster Flash

Joan Baez

Leonard Cohen

NWA

Neil Diamond

Nina Simone

Bob Dylan

Donna Summer

Etta James

James Taylor

Staple Singers

Jimmy Cliff

Tupac

Solomon Parker

Ruth Brown

Joni Mitchell

Madonna

Laura Nyro

Parliament

Bee Gees

Bob Marley





Answer: none of the above.

cal sharpie
Oct 16 2019 01:39 PM
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Bob Dylan is clearly the rock 'n' rollinest guy on Vic's list. Neil Diamond has also played some rock n' roll. I agree, the horse has left the barn on R&R purists.



I went with MC5, Kraftwerk, T Rex and Todd Rundgren but I wouldn't be sad or surprised if none of them make it in.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2019 01:43 PM
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Yeah I know but I can still use my def of rocknrolliness as a vote influencer.



If Whitney was more rocknrolly, I could support her over, say, Thin Lizzy.



Thin Lizzy by the way not headed to the gospel-pop Hall of Fame

Willets Point
Oct 16 2019 03:41 PM
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The ultimate rock & roll purity would end up limiting admission to artists who performed a specific kind of dance music between 1954 and 1962.

Double Switch
Oct 16 2019 05:28 PM
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I've never understood the reasoning for such a HOF*. My music HOF is contained on my (really ancient) iPod, my quaint and cherished collection of CDs I cannot seem to shed, and the stuff I copy from the CDs I borrow from the public library stored on my computer. It's never mattered to me at all what others thought about music, only what I think. The HOF in my head, as it were.



* Except as pertains to tourist attraction and an annual induction brouhaha, just like Cooperstown. As for C-town, been a couple times when I was in the area and could make the detour. Really bang up job, actually, but the cloth rending over who goes in or not is meaningless. People taking it too personally, to the point of making fools of themselves over it, are a bit sad.

41Forever
Oct 16 2019 06:45 PM
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My daughter is running a trivia night at her college tonight and asked me to tag along.



Music trivia is one part. She played a portion of a song and the students needed to guess the name of the song and the artist.



She mixed in “Baba O'Riley” (and I felt proud for taking her to see The Who this year.)



One kid said, “Is this an instrumental?” And another kind says “No, songs were really long in the early 2000s.”



This is why we need the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and these annual discussions.



It doesn't matter if Tupac and Madonna are in the Hall. A lot of people today are going to Spotify and checking out MC5 and T. Rex, maybe for the first time. That's a good thing.



Now, even sadder, one team thought Gerald Ford was president in the 1800s. He's the native son. Sigh.

Double Switch
Oct 16 2019 07:09 PM
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OK, so there is much musical ignorance among the present 20-somethings but is that really a reason for a rock'n'roll HOF? If it pleases you, sure. I have a mass of total indifference toward it. Along that same vein, when I hear decades-old songs used in insurance ads or whatnot, I wonder if today's "young" people have any idea they are being beguiled by a 45-year-old r'n'r song and do they even care. I suspect not.



Further to this, my elderly companion and I go to a café we like to call Geezer Haven and they have a perfectly delightful young lady waiting tables who advised the other day that she was born in 2000 so she says it's always easy for her to remember how old she is. On the flatscreen tv above the counter, an old episode of The Rifleman was playing and she gushed about how "cute" Johnny Crawford was who played The Rifleman's son. I told her Johnny Crawford and I are the same age. She thought that was hilarious (as do I). Then she asked me how to tell '50s tv shows from 70s tv shows. We had a truly lovely discussion in spite of the over 50 years difference in our ages. My point: if they want to know, they will ask.



As for music, since about 1995, I would fail all trivia questions. Don't care.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2019 07:30 PM
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Double Switch wrote:

OK, so there is much musical ignorance among the present 20-somethings but is that really a reason for a rock'n'roll HOF? If it pleases you, sure. I have a mass of total indifference toward it. Along that same vein, when I hear decades-old songs used in insurance ads or whatnot, I wonder if today's "young" people have any idea they are being beguiled by a 45-year-old r'n'r song and do they even care. I suspect not.



Further to this, my elderly companion and I go to a café we like to call Geezer Haven and they have a perfectly delightful young lady waiting tables who advised the other day that she was born in 2000 so she says it's always easy for her to remember how old she is. On the flatscreen tv above the counter, an old episode of The Rifleman was playing and she gushed about how "cute" Johnny Crawford was who played The Rifleman's son. I told her Johnny Crawford and I are the same age. She thought that was hilarious (as do I). Then she asked me how to tell '50s tv shows from 70s tv shows. We had a truly lovely discussion in spite of the over 50 years difference in our ages. My point: if they want to know, they will ask.



As for music, since about 1995, I would fail all trivia questions. Don't care.


Whaddya gonna do? Time marches on, relentlessly and brutally. I remember going to my friend's house like 20 years ago and his kid didn't know who Johnny Carson was. Not a clue. You think today's kids give a shit, or even know who Tom Seaver is? When I was in the third grade my teacher asked the class a baseball trivia question -- the answer being Al Gionfriddo, who once made a tremendous World Series catch against the Yankees. My teacher must've been a Brooklyn Dodgers fan when she was younger because you could tell that the whole story meant a lot of her -- I swear she was getting all choked up over it. Anyways, as you would expect, the whole class was stumped since Al Gionfriddo wasn't any kind of a star and played before any of us were even born. So then the teacher turns to me, singling me out -- because I'm the smartest kid in the class and on top of that, I'm supposed to be a goddamn baseball expert also. I didn't have a goddamn clue either, although after the teacher gave us the answer, I had this vague sense that I knew the answer and that I either saw the clip of that catch on Dick Enberg's Sports Challenge or read about it in Baseball Digest. Or maybe I imagined all of that and was full of shit to myself. Because time marches on and eventually, hardly anyone's gonna know who the hell Al Gionfriddo was. Jesus Christ, I hadda hear how great historically a franchise the fucking Dallas Cowboys were this whole weekend, and this after they lost to the lowly, lowest of the low Jets. Imagine the ass-licking and ingratiating and legend exaggerating that's in store for me when the Cowboys beat the Jets. Meanwhile, we're at the point in history where I'm certain that the majority of Cowboys fans never saw Roger Staubach take a snap live, in real-time. Just like I'm sure most Mets fans today never saw Tom Seaver pitch for the Mets in his prime or first Mets stint, live or in real-time.



I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Rock n Roll HOF and I love rock and roll and pop music. I don't even really get it. (I write this same post on this forum like every two or three years). I mean, I get Chuck Berry in the Hall. And the Beatles. And Cream and Zeppelin and the Floyd. But most of the rest, I mean what's even the standard? Musicianship? Profound songs? Some gimmicky comic book clown band that reminds me of Spinal Tap more than anything else but sells a gazillion records? I mean, even the Archies had a monster hit record. I guess it's kinda like baseball where you could take the Koufax route and be like the greatest pitcher there ever was for a few seasons, less tham half a decade, or plug along with extreme competence for a very long time without every having that year when you're the king of pop, like Don Sutton.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2019 07:54 PM
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I don't think it's pointless. Just because Jan Wenner has failed, doesn't mean the discussion has no merit.



I picked five, but Todd Rundgren and T.Rex, from the above, have the most unimpeachable cases. I mentioned this in the other place, but if you try and find a greatest hits package that kicks you in the face like T.Rex's does, you'll be looking a long time. (This is also true, by the way, of the never-nominated Tommy James and the Shondelles, who were lightweights in their time, but stand out more as time passes.)



I'm not sure who Solomon Parker is, but I don't think that's the name of any inductee I know. But if Solomon Burke and Graham Parker cut a record together, I surely would like to buy it.

Double Switch
Oct 16 2019 07:58 PM
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To this day, the only song I know for certain belonged to T. Rex is Bang a Gong. Not that great a song, as I recall. If there are more, I'm not going YouTubing to find out. I'm certain, however, I know all the references in American Pie. I remember the day the music died.

Vic Sage
Oct 16 2019 08:35 PM
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Solomon Burke. Yes, my bad. But you have to admit, Solomon Parker is a damn fine name for a rock n roller.

Vic Sage
Oct 16 2019 08:51 PM
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Celebrating the history of an artform is a good thing. You may remain indifferent to the exercise, or think its being done poorly, but its not pointless. By celebrating greatness, however we define it, in whatever field we may choose, whether baseball, music, literature, or otherwise, we hold up the accomplishment and honor its progenitor, and we say "this thing has value. Lets remember it." sometimes the recognition comes too late for the person being honored, which can be tragic, but the work survives and inures to the benefit of the culture as a whole. And no, I didn't see Gionfriddo's catch, but I saw a clip on some sports program, and my dad told me about it, about how this little Dodger guy stole a homer from the great Yankee Clipper in the WS in `47, and my dad sharing that was part of the thing that bonded us. Memories connect us, and the great accomplishments of the past tell us greatness is still an option in the future. These are objectively good things. so you may not care about the RnR HOF or the baseball one, or art museums, or libraries, or theaters, but they are the repository of our cultural memories and they're important.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2019 09:21 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

Solomon Burke. Yes, my bad. But you have to admit, Solomon Parker is a damn fine name for a rock n roller.


Yeah, but Solomon Burke rocked like nobody's bidness. If he don't count then Otis Redding and James Brown go right out with him, and then we're in the wilderness.



THE WILDERNESS!



[YOUTUBE]EnVwgMKLXKw[/YOUTUBE]



His nickname was "The King of Rock and Soul." Without this shit, where do the Rolling Stones come from?



[YOUTUBE]Je3kSP3hYX0[/YOUTUBE]

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2019 09:42 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2019 09:44 PM

Vic Sage wrote:

Celebrating the history of an artform is a good thing. You may remain indifferent to the exercise, or think its being done poorly, but its not pointless. By celebrating greatness, however we define it, in whatever field we may choose, whether baseball, music, literature, or otherwise, we hold up the accomplishment and honor its progenitor, and we say "this thing has value. Lets remember it." sometimes the recognition comes too late for the person being honored, which can be tragic, but the work survives and inures to the benefit of the culture as a whole. And no, I didn't see Gionfriddo's catch, but I saw a clip on some sports program, and my dad told me about it, about how this little Dodger guy stole a homer from the great Yankee Clipper in the WS in `47, and my dad sharing that was part of the thing that bonded us. Memories connect us, and the great accomplishments of the past tell us greatness is still an option in the future. These are objectively good things. so you may not care about the RnR HOF or the baseball one, or art museums, or libraries, or theaters, but they are the repository of our cultural memories and they're important.


Oh Vic! I care about all of these things. Deeply I do. Museums? Libraries? Are you kidding me? I save my books. I love bookshelves. I still have every vinyl record I ever bought, but not my vinyl White Album, which my ex-girlfriend's friend stole from me more than 30 years ago when I used to keep some of my albums over at my ex's house. I saw her (the friend) handling my White Album, and paying too much attention to it, without me giving it too much thought at the time. That was the last day I ever saw my ex's friend. She was moving to California the next day. That was also the last day I ever saw my vinyl White Album. It had the four Beatles pics and the big poster with the lyrics on the other side. I even love the RnR HOF. But as a museum, or as you kinda said, as a repository of the cultural memories and history that RnR has spawned. I'm really big on that stuff. In fact, I'd love to visit the RnR HOF one day. And now that I think of it, this might even make my bucket list, if I ever get around to making one. What I don't give much of a shit about are the inductions and the decisions over who gets in and who doesn't. They make sense to me at the extremes, but then get very subjective and nebulous in the middle. Hey, Edgy thinks Tommy James and the Shondells had an amazing package of hits. You know which (kinda) contemporary blows them away hit-wise, record selling wise and popularity wise and is on the outside looking in at the HOF. And in 1967, they were at least as big as the Sgt. Pepperland Beatles, maybe even bigger.

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The Monkees.



And I beat youse all to Solomon Burke. Check out the Dylan covers thread.

Double Switch
Oct 16 2019 09:43 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

so you may not care about the RnR HOF or the baseball one, or art museums, or libraries, or theaters, but they are the repository of our cultural memories and they're important.

Exactly. However, the day has not arrived when I plan to share here what I revere and cherish. One thing is certain: it does not require voting/induction.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2019 09:45 PM
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Double Switch wrote:

One thing is certain: it does not require voting/induction.




That's what I said.

Double Switch
Oct 16 2019 09:46 PM
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Double Switch wrote:

One thing is certain: it does not require voting/induction.




That's what I said.

Yes, you did. And, if you'll note, you posted it one minute before I did. Therefore, I did not see it prior to expressing essentially the same PoV. Stranger things may happen.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2019 10:13 PM
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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=24572 time=1571283733 user_id=68]The Monkees.



I'll take a back seat to none as a Monkee advocate.

Vic Sage
Oct 17 2019 09:12 AM
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Hey, Hey, where are the Monkees?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 17 2019 10:09 AM
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Double Switch wrote:


Double Switch wrote:

One thing is certain: it does not require voting/induction.




That's what I said.

Yes, you did. And, if you'll note, you posted it one minute before I did. Therefore, I did not see it prior to expressing essentially the same PoV. Stranger things may happen.


I was just kidding you. We're allowed to have the same viewpoints.

41Forever
Oct 17 2019 11:36 AM
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It's a good museum. I like going there. It seems to be getting better each time I go. They're working in storytelling a little better, as opposed to slapping a guitar or on the wall like at a Hard Rock Cafe. You can make a nice weekend trip out of going to an Indians game and the Hall of Fame.



I enjoy the annual discussion of who is in and who is out, and what the criteria should be. Any opportunity to talk about music is a good one.



I made a playlist of one song from every artist who is inducted, in the order of admission. It was fun tracking down material from some of the more obscure artists, or at least the ones I wasn't really exposed to much. Sometimes it was difficult picking one song as a definitive song for an artist. I learned about, and really got into, performers like Etta James. Others, not so much. Was tough to pick a song from one group that wasn't just a string of profanities. Not saying they aren't influential, just not something I enjoy listening to.



Guess I don't see a downside to any of it. Yeah, Madonna is in there. But Phil Rizzuto having a plaque in the same room as Tom Seaver's doesn't diminish Tom's, or make me want to boycott Cooperstown.



You're missing the best Solomon Burke song!



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Double Switch
Oct 17 2019 12:12 PM
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Double Switch wrote:


Double Switch wrote:

One thing is certain: it does not require voting/induction.




That's what I said.

Yes, you did. And, if you'll note, you posted it one minute before I did. Therefore, I did not see it prior to expressing essentially the same PoV. Stranger things may happen.


I was just kidding you. We're allowed to have the same viewpoints.

I recognized that and I would hope that we may agree on enough to allow our disagreements only to make life more interesting.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2019 12:31 PM
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You're missing the best Solomon Burke song!


Well, maybe the most famous Solomon Burke song, and maybe the best Blues Brothers song, but I beg to differ that it's Solomon's best.



Fun facts:
[list]

  • [*]Solomon, despite his notable corpulence, lasted until 2010, and really never stopped recording.

  • [*]His baritone was almost as strong as his tenor, and like Benjamin Orr, he would switch back and forth between them as he changed verses, leaving you wondering which he would finish on.

  • [*]Besides "The King of Rock and Soul," he was also known as "King Solomon", "The Bishop of Soul" and "The Muhammad Ali of Soul". That pretty much ties him with James Brown in the nickname department.

  • [*]No less than Jerry Wexler called him "the greatest male soul singer of all time".
    • [/list]

    I like Solomon Burke.

    41Forever
    Oct 17 2019 01:08 PM
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    Edgy MD wrote:

    You're missing the best Solomon Burke song!


    Well, maybe the most famous Solomon Burke song, and maybe the best Blues Brothers song, but I beg to differ that it's Solomon's best.



    Fun facts:
    [list]
  • [*]Solomon, despite his notable corpulence, lasted until 2010, and really never stopped recording.

  • [*]His baritone was almost as strong as his tenor, and like Benjamin Orr, he would switch back and forth between them as he changed verses, leaving you wondering which he would finish on.

  • [*]Besides "The King of Rock and Soul," he was also known as "King Solomon", "The Bishop of Soul" and "The Muhammad Ali of Soul". That pretty much ties him with James Brown in the nickname department.

  • [*]No less than Jerry Wexler called him "the greatest male soul singer of all time".
    • [/list]

    I like Solomon Burke.




    Good stuff!

    Edgy MD
    Oct 17 2019 01:33 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    At least one person out there supporting Motörhead.



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    MFS62
    Oct 17 2019 02:04 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Vic Sage wrote:

    Hey, Hey, where are the Monkees?


    Well played.

    And if edgy is the Monkees' strongest supporter, I feel that way about Pat Benitar.

    The fact that she has not been inducted before now is a shame. And Neil Giraldo deserves induction, too.



    Later

    whippoorwill
    Oct 17 2019 05:00 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I loved the Monkees but I guess you could make a case that they were a ‘pretend' group.

    Not as much as say, the Partridge Famiky maybe

    Double Switch
    Oct 17 2019 05:49 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    They were musicians (maybe not studio quality, but they weren't like lip syncers) hired to be actors playing musicians. I think the best thing was the quality of song writers hired to create the Monkees' signature tunes and how seriously that was taken. The personalities were there and they received great songs to showcase that. Notice how few times that trick has been pulled off, so I hail the success called the Monkees. And, yeah, I loved that show and their music too. Was in HS and we danced to The Monkees all the time.



    Since NIN came along pretty much as I was leaving pop music behind, imagine my surprise to learn they wrote this and that Johnny Cash steamrolled me with it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI

    Edgy MD
    Oct 17 2019 08:53 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Todd's layered ballads are so definitive, it would always be surprising when he'd rock out, because he had a totally different, totally blown-out-sounding voice. In fact, between the throatiness, the hardness, and the slick pop sensibility, loud Todd could often sound like KISS, of all things. And not in a bad way.



    In first place with seven votes, The Hermit of Mink Hollow, and John Lennon's worst enemy, Todd Rundgren.



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    Vic Sage
    Oct 18 2019 10:02 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    i place my Monkee love second to nobody!

    Centerfield
    Oct 18 2019 10:41 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Vic Sage wrote:

    Whitney -- not rnr by a long shot, great voice but so do the guys in Nelson


    That horse left the barn long ago. The RnR HOF includes artists from pop, R&B, soul, jazz, blues, country, hip-hop/rap, gospel, reggae, folk, and everything in between. By "Rock n Roll", they clearly now mean "whatever the kids have listened to since the mid-50s", so getting into the technical requirements of various genres and sub-genres is a pointless exercise, though certainly good for relieving stress.




    In other words, coupled with her dying early, Whitney gets in.

    seawolf17
    Oct 18 2019 11:53 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I had to look at Rundgren's Wikipedia page, because I couldn't name a single song he wrote. Turns out I know "Hello It's Me" and "Band On A Drum All Day"... and that's it. End of list.

    41Forever
    Oct 18 2019 12:09 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019


    I had to look at Rundgren's Wikipedia page, because I couldn't name a single song he wrote. Turns out I know "Hello It's Me" and "Band On A Drum All Day"... and that's it. End of list.




    Noooo. You know this one, too, and probably didn't realize it was him.



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    Edgy MD
    Oct 18 2019 02:09 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    "Band on a Drum All Day" must be Todd Rundgren and Wings.

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 18 2019 02:25 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    "I Saw the Light" was one of those songs I remember hearing a lot on the radio when I was very young, learning much later that the singer was a guy was a surprise to me.



    Wolfie has some brushing up to do on the Rundgren catalog which as mentioned is quite varied (rock, soul, prog, pop, electronic & novelty, some aggressively solo--all instruments and voices-- others with bands Nazz, and Utopia--the latter really two distinct bands with the same name). He at the same time was very influential as a producer for many big records (BAT OUT OF HELL) and some noted flops.



    That complicated career narrative and his iconoclasm--he didn't always play well with industry peers and has shit on the RNRHOF as a thing--has probably contributed to a relative lack of recognition all around.



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    Edgy MD
    Oct 18 2019 02:27 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    (Beaten to the punch by Johnny.)



    Really, you ought to learn yourself as much Todd Rundgren as possible. He's got songs that can ward off vampires, although it's a different song for everybody.



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    I get the idea that he's got a really overbearing personality, because early in his career, he was forever starting bands, only to see them dissolve when he would become the dominant personality. In the second half of his career, he was never not working, always doing something insanely ambitious and half great, touring with a weird and dynamic new stage show, or producing some great power pop. I think he must've done a lot of speed.





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    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 25 2019 09:04 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Now sharing the lead with 7 votes:



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    whippoorwill
    Oct 25 2019 02:29 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019



    I had to look at Rundgren's Wikipedia page, because I couldn't name a single song he wrote. Turns out I know "Hello It's Me" and "Band On A Drum All Day"... and that's it. End of list.




    Noooo. You know this one, too, and probably didn't realize it was him.



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    Very excellent

    whippoorwill
    Oct 25 2019 02:40 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I've known Johnny lunchbucket was a Rundgren fan from about 20 years ago when I mentioned ‘Hello It's Me' is my all time favorite song.



    ‘I Saw the Light' naturally reminds me of a boy I loved in seventh grade and dang I wanted to see the light in his eyes so bad.

    Never really did, though we are Facebook friends now. Chatted at length by email a few years ago, confessing our crushes on various people (yep I told him my former love for him) and it was fun though I guess my feelings were not returned.

    He's remarried now to one of our classmates whom I didn't know but seems to be s real sweetheart, so I can't really hate her Lolol

    Johnny Lunchbucket
    Oct 25 2019 03:01 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    slash her tires anyway!

    whippoorwill
    Oct 25 2019 03:16 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I don't know where they live haha!

    Edgy MD
    Nov 23 2019 08:45 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Tied for third place, the patron saint of violent retribution toward ex-lovers, Pat Benetar.



    It was embarrassingly late (like two or three years ago) before I learned that this was a cover of an old Young Rascals song.



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    Frayed Knot
    Jan 15 2020 07:27 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    And the answers are:

    - Whitney Houston

    - Depeche Mode

    - the Doobie Brothers

    - Nine Inch Nails

    - the Notorious B.I.G.

    - T. Rex



    a few of the above are even still alive

    Batty31
    Jan 15 2020 09:09 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I just did a podcast a few days ago about what a joke the voting has become. Looks like I need to make a follow up podcast today..it's even more of a joke than I thought

    cal sharpie
    Jan 15 2020 10:27 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    T Rex was the only one of these I supported.



    I don't care for their music but I understand Whitney Houston, Depeche Mode and B.I.G. getting in.



    NIN I also didn't care for and I find the case for them less compelling.



    The Doobie Brothers were just a generic band with little to distinguish them.

    MFS62
    Jan 16 2020 06:06 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    And again, Pat Benitar gets snubbed.

    Infamia!

    Later

    ashie62
    Jan 16 2020 06:24 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    You could argue its taken Trex 50 years to break the U.S.

    Edgy MD
    Jan 16 2020 09:57 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    The strange thing is that we only hit on 40% of the HoF selections.

    Vic Sage
    Jan 16 2020 10:52 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    my only candidate (Rundgren) didn't get in, of course, while non-rockers Whitney and Biggie did.

    T-Rex is actually the only other candidate i even liked. I still wouldn't have voted for them, though.

    41Forever
    Jan 16 2020 01:50 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    NPR lists 41 -- good number -- women musicians it says need to be in the Rock Hall! Interesting list. Don't agree with some, but some solid picks here.



    [url]https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/796717978/41-women-who-should-be-in-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fame?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    ashie62
    Jan 16 2020 02:40 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    Of the inductees I''m with Trex and Depeche Mode. I just ate a piece of cardboard thinking it was a graham cracker



    Great body of work for Rundgren. Todd did piss off sooo many execs

    Edgy MD
    Jan 17 2020 06:04 AM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    There can be little doubt that the Hall is way too much the baby of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone, especially since Ahmet Ertugen died. And as both the magazine and the man are both dinosaurs grasping for any remaining shreds of contemporary relevance, we can be little surprised that the institution is going to make the choice that honors market relevance over curatorial significance.

    ashie62
    Jan 17 2020 04:31 PM
    Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot 2019

    I can remember in 1988 Mick Jagger looking at some construction snickering the coming "Ahmet Erguten wing" To me it meant the hall should be NO ONES baby



    The New York Dolls are still waiting