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Does anyone here like old movies?

Double Switch
Dec 01 2019 06:41 PM

The reason I ask is that I haven't bothered to watch any new movies (by that I mean pretty much everything made in the 21st century, which is entering its 20th year soon). I'm just not into CGI and explosions as plot devices.



I could be called a retrograde movie fan because I would more love to discuss film noir than movies that are bioflicks or remakes of earlier hits. As an example, I would never bother to watch a remake of The Manchurian Candidate or Psycho because the originals were excellent. I see no reason to revisit them as if they were not already perfection.



I quit the Star Wars franchise after the third one. That was enough for me. I truly have no idea how many there are now and would need to look that up. And, everyone following this franchise now, in drooling anticipation of the next iteration, likely were not around for the very first of these movies (1977). Please tell me I'm wrong.



But - that's just me. Maybe I am alone in my reverence of The Big Sleep and The Philadelphia Story and Dodsworth. And Eraserhead. Surely in a crowd this size, there must be at least one fan besides myself of Eraserhead.



At the moment I am about to start watching The Elephant Man, the movie that came after Eraserhead and made David Lynch, if not a household word, at least a blip on the radar of serious movie goers.

Ceetar
Dec 01 2019 09:07 PM
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Frozen 2 was lots of fun.

Edgy MD
Dec 02 2019 07:27 AM
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I'm a member of a pre-code appreciation society on Facebook. My favorite movie changes a lot, but it's probably never going to be a 21st century film, unless maybe Wall-E.

dinosaur jesus
Dec 02 2019 07:45 AM
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I like old movies. Noir, thirties screwball, early seventies, silent comedy, German expressionist, French thirties noir (Jean Gabin is the man), whatever. I wrote a song once about the look on Burt Lancaster's face in Criss Cross when he comes back to the old nightclub after a stretch in prison, hoping to see Yvonne De Carlo and hoping not to see her, and spots her coming in with Dan Duryea. The chorus goes



Yvonne De Carlo

Yvonne De Carlo

Yvonne De Carlo

Yvonne De Carlo



I never actually wrote the verses.



I basically stopped watching movies, even on TV, about ten years ago. The wife doesn't really understand movies, and I have trouble concentrating for an hour or two. But I used to watch a lot, and they're all still in there somewhere.



The Elephant Man is great. "I am not an animal."

Johnny Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2019 07:59 AM
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I hardly ever go to the movies anymore but I do like movies. But we just moved within walking distance of a googleplex and we're considering buying a pass, at least for the 'Pail.



Unlimited flix,10% discount on concessions with the app for $18 a month. That would pay for itself with 2 visits a month. Wouldya?



Apropos of the subject I also like old movies. When you see one, especially a good one, even if its old, start a poll on it here.

Ceetar
Dec 02 2019 08:06 AM
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Different time in my life I'd be all over that pass. Actually, even if I was still at my previous job, which was right next to a theater. I'd go see half the movie for lunch, and time it so I could see the second half the next day.



Any blackouts on that though? nights/first 5nights/imax? etc



Now I'm more likely to see Frozen 2 than Star Wars. (I'll bootleg that and watch it on my own at home)

Edgy MD
Dec 02 2019 10:17 AM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:
When you see one, especially a good one, even if its old, start a poll on it here.


Or even if you're just thinking about one.



Anybody see the movie about the South Korean girl with the massive genetically enhanced pig?

Vic Sage
Dec 02 2019 11:15 AM
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Double Switch wrote:

The reason I ask is that I haven't bothered to watch any new movies (by that I mean pretty much everything made in the 21st century, which is entering its 20th year soon). I'm just not into CGI and explosions as plot devices.



I could be called a retrograde movie fan because I would more love to discuss film noir than movies that are bioflicks or remakes of earlier hits. As an example, I would never bother to watch a remake of The Manchurian Candidate or Psycho because the originals were excellent. I see no reason to revisit them as if they were not already perfection.



I quit the Star Wars franchise after the third one. That was enough for me. I truly have no idea how many there are now and would need to look that up. And, everyone following this franchise now, in drooling anticipation of the next iteration, likely were not around for the very first of these movies (1977). Please tell me I'm wrong.



But - that's just me. Maybe I am alone in my reverence of The Big Sleep and The Philadelphia Story and Dodsworth. And Eraserhead. Surely in a crowd this size, there must be at least one fan besides myself of Eraserhead.



At the moment I am about to start watching The Elephant Man, the movie that came after Eraserhead and made David Lynch, if not a household word, at least a blip on the radar of serious movie goers.


I used to have a 16mm print of ERASERHEAD and showed it at parties I hosted with my roommate (this was in the 1980s). "In heaven, everything is fine..." I used it, like i used Frank Zappa, to see which girls would like it, so i could ask them out.



I watch everything and anything. old, new, borrowed, blue; s'all good.

Double Switch
Dec 02 2019 11:32 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:
When you see one, especially a good one, even if its old, start a poll on it here.


Or even if you're just thinking about one.



Anybody see the movie about the South Korean girl with the massive genetically enhanced pig?


Thanks for all these thoughts above and here. I also don't attend movies in theaters due to how loud they are played (at least where I live) and that it seems no one can watch a movie without their cellphone on and that's distracting, too. The other thing is my attention span also has shortened. Maybe that's why I drifted back to old movies, many of which are in the 90 minute range. Knowing now how long The Irishman is, I'll wait until I can watch it in smaller doses.



Until sometime in October, I had TCM as part of my cable package until it got hijacked. Then I realized that was my primary channel and DVRing was my #1 activity. Now gone. I still have The Caine Mutiny to watch plus needing to rewatch Eraserhead again (I finally noticed the pile of dirt on Henry's table so more scrutiny is needed). I'd end my DVR level but that would mean not being able to record Grand Sumo on NHK so that will wait a while (yes, I know I can watch that on YouTube but I still like it on the living room tv (I don't have the means yet to watch YouTube on that tv). The other thing is Better Call Saul season 5 will start in a few months and I want to FF through the commercials. Now I will mostly borrow movies from my city library system and also watch what is available on Amazon Prime.



I looked up Okja and will see if I can get it locally. I'd not heard of Bong Joon-ho and appreciate you mentioning this.



Polls: OK, I'll think about that and maybe do one about Japanese movies. I don't know as many French movies but have to say Diabolique (1955 - Clouzot) is pretty much at the top of that list.

cal sharpie
Dec 02 2019 12:38 PM
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I love old movies and pretty much keep TCM on as the start-channel.



OKJA was good but PARASITE, currently in theaters, is better.

Vic Sage
Dec 02 2019 01:36 PM
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best Japanese movies:

1) everything by Kurasawa

2) everything else

41Forever
Dec 02 2019 02:11 PM
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My wife loved TCM, and is really frustrated it was removed. Technically, you can get it back with a sports package for $9.99 a month and I'm not sure how it fits with sports. And since I buy the Mets television thing, I don't really need the rest of the sports.

LWFS
Dec 02 2019 04:00 PM
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Okja WAS good, as was The Host (and, for that matter, Snowpiercer). Haven't yet seen Parasite, but I wanna.



More to the point of the thread, though... hey, Double Switch/41Forever/lovers of the good old stuff:



The Criterion Channel

Double Switch
Dec 02 2019 04:45 PM
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Thanks - I had no idea, which is why I signed onto this board. There are a lot of people here with great ideas I'd otherwise miss out on. Briefly checking it out, it looks well worth the $99.99 annual fee. I'll be starting my free trial later tonight.

MFS62
Dec 02 2019 05:23 PM
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I love the black and white movies of the 30-50s - Sherlock Holmes, Boston Blackie, Charlie Chan, Orson Wells, Fred and Ginger, and those wonderful movies my friends and I called "BWPs" (British War Pictures, but I include Ginga Din in that category). I also liked the monster flicks; the hokey ones (Creature from the Black Lagoon, It Came From Beneath the Sea, The Blob) and the classic ones (Frankenstein, Dracula, King Kong) and the serials (Don Winslow of the Navy, Flash Gordon, Tim Tyler's Luck and Gene Autry's Radio Ranch.

I loved TCM and scan the listings for the other cable channels to see when they might be on.

Later

Double Switch
Dec 02 2019 05:57 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

best Japanese movies:

1) everything by Kurasawa

2) everything else


I'm thinking about creating a Kurosawa poll but am considering doing it in segments (prior to Mifune, with Mifune, after Mifune, color v. b/w) so there are ways to go there. Also, I want to feature a poll regarding my other favorite Japanese director, Yasujiro Ozu, but I suspect not as many will be familiar with his work.



Anyone wanting to jump in before I get to it will have my full enthusiastic support.

Edgy MD
Dec 02 2019 07:56 PM
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Yeah, a poll couldn't handle Kurosawa. He deserves the spectacular head-to-head matchup of an elimination tournament.

whippoorwill
Dec 03 2019 05:41 AM
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Olivia deHaviland movies! I love her!

Edgy MD
Dec 03 2019 08:43 AM
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Ms. de Havilland is still kicking it at 103.

whippoorwill
Dec 03 2019 09:13 AM
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Really? Wow

Vic Sage
Dec 03 2019 03:20 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Yeah, a poll couldn't handle Kurosawa. He deserves the spectacular head-to-head matchup of an elimination tournament.


Kurosawa wrote and directed around 30 films, but 24 of them were after the war and were free of studio interference. He considers Drunken Angel (48) his first real film, so I've broken down the 24 remaining films into 3 brackets (early Mifune, late Mifune, and no Mifune). The highest seed of the bracket winners gets a bye into the finals to face the winner of the other 2 brackets.



Here you go:



Bracket 1 (Early Mifune)

1- 7 Samurai (54) vs 8- Quiet Duel (49)

2- Rashomon (50) vs 7- Scandal (50)

3- Drunken Angel (48) vs 6- The Idiot (51)

4- Stray Dog (49) vs 5- I Live in Fear (55)



Bracket 2 (Late Mifune)

1- Yojimbo (61) vs 8- Lower Depths (57)

2- Throne of Blood (57) vs 7- Red Beard (65)

3- High & Low (63) vs 6- Bad Sleep Well (60)

4- Hidden Fortress (58) vs 5- Sanjuro (62)



Bracket 3 (No Mifune):

1- Ikiru (52) vs 8- Rhapsody in August (91)

2- Ran (85) vs 7- Do-Deska-Den (70)

3- Dersu Uzala (75) vs 6- Dreams (90)

4- Kagemusha (80) vs 5- Maadayo (93)



7 samurai would and should win, but Rashomon could give it a bit of a test in Bracket 1. Bracket 2 is the deepest, with samurai lovers choosing between Yojimbo and Sanjuro, classicists going for Throne of Blood (i.e., MacBeth), star wars fans going for Hidden Fortress, and cinephilic appreciation going High & Low. Bracket 3 is surprisingly strong, with critics pick Ikiru going up against the Lear epic, Ran, the Lucas/spielberg fave, Kagemusha. and the Russian dark horse, Dersu Uzala.



The chalk says 7 samurai takes a bye, waiting for Yojimbo to beat Ikiru, leading to a battle of Mifune ronin, with the Magnificent 7 defeating Fistful of Dollars in the finale. But, there are always upsets, so anything could happen.

Double Switch
Dec 03 2019 06:08 PM
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There is another bracket: Early Kurosawa sans Mifune that includes Sugata Sanshiro 1 & 2 (when his leading man was Susumu Fujita, who makes an appearance as the cowardly sword master in Yojimbo), They Who Tread Upon the Tiger's Tail, The Most Beautiful, and One Wonderful Sunday. I feel like I'm forgetting something.



It would be harder to find Kurosawa movies without Takashi Shimura (21). The rap on AK was that he avoided strong women characters but that's silly. He used Isuzu Yamada in The Lower Depths, Throne of Blood (best ever Lady Macbeth), and Yojimbo as the scariest, strongest bitches ever. Also, Princess Yuki in The Hidden Fortress is Princess Leia through and through. Don't forget Mieko Harada as Lady Kaede in Ran.



I think pairing Dodes'kaden against Dreams makes more sense but I don't know what the rules are. Dersu Uzala stands alone.



There are a few I have not seen: Scandal and The Idiot, I think, and Sugata Sanshiro 2. At the moment, my DVD library includes Ikiru, The Lower Depths, Rashomon, Sanjuro, Yojimbo, Kagemusha, Ran, The Hidden Fortress and Seven Samurai. Back in the VHS days, I had a few more that I did not replace when LVD took over, and when laser rot ruined my disks and I switched to DVD, I did not reacquire everything. I want another copy of High & Low but the price is not right and I can get it from the library when I want another view.



If this were a "desert isle" 5 list, I'd take Rashomon, High & Low, Ikiru, The Lower Depths, and Yojimbo.

dinosaur jesus
Dec 03 2019 08:53 PM
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This is awesome. I wish I'd seen more Kurosawa. I have seen the remake of Rashomon with William Shatner, though.

LWFS
Dec 03 2019 09:28 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Ms. de Havilland is still kicking it at 103.


It's, like, a once-or-twice-a-year thing with my wife and me where we're home on a mutual off day, and the topic of older films/stars comes up, and we double-check on de Havilland, because our brains are aging, and we weren't all that smart to begin with. (Maureen O'Hara used to be part of this, until the other year. Hedy Lamarr's science pursuits usually come up, too.)

Edgy MD
Dec 03 2019 09:37 PM
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Double Switch wrote:

There is another bracket: Early Kurosawa sans Mifune that includes Sugata Sanshiro 1 & 2 (when his leading man was Susumu Fujita, who makes an appearance as the cowardly sword master in Yojimbo), They Who Tread Upon the Tiger's Tail, The Most Beautiful, and One Wonderful Sunday. I feel like I'm forgetting something.


Susumu Fujita : Toshiro Mifune :: George O'Brien : John Wayne

Vic Sage
Dec 04 2019 04:08 PM
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the early bracket would have 7 films:



1- No Regrets For our Youth (46) vs 8- [BYE]

2- Sanshiro Sugata (43) vs 7-Those Who Make Tomorrow (46)

3- Man Who tread on Tiger's Tail (45) vs 6- Sanshiro Sugata, Pt.2 (45)

4- One Wonderful Sunday (47) vs 5- Most Beautiful (44)



but as i said, these were studio films that Kurosawa didn't have complete control over, and some were produced during the war; he considers DRUNKEN ANGEL to be the first film that was completely his.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 04 2019 05:22 PM
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Kirk Douglas is also 103 years old.

Double Switch
Dec 04 2019 07:21 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

the early bracket would have 7 films:



1- No Regrets For our Youth (46) vs 8- [BYE]

2- Sanshiro Sugata (43) vs 7-Those Who Make Tomorrow (46)

3- Man Who tread on Tiger's Tail (45) vs 6- Sanshiro Sugata, Pt.2 (45)

4- One Wonderful Sunday (47) vs 5- Most Beautiful (44)



but as i said, these were studio films that Kurosawa didn't have complete control over, and some were produced during the war; he considers DRUNKEN ANGEL to be the first film that was completely his.

Yeah, I confess I did not read your preface before looking at your lists. The caveat could be that who knew when AK would have autonomy and he had to toe the company line a while - betting he had no clue either. Would you tell me where those numbers come from?



Yes, the one I forgot was No Regrets for our Youth. And, I could have looked that up and did not.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2019 08:37 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

Kirk Douglas is also 103 years old.


We've GOT to get these kids together.



(Except, Mrs. Douglas is still going strong at 100 herself.)

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2019 11:04 AM
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Double Switch wrote:

Would you tell me where those numbers come from?


i found a website that ranked all of Kurosawa's films as an aggregate of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. Then i seeded them in each bracket accordingly, with slight tweaks based on my own assessments.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2019 11:58 AM
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Thirty films. That's a nice round number. No need to cast aside the early stuff. Let them stand or fall in competition.

Double Switch
Dec 05 2019 12:04 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

Double Switch wrote:

Would you tell me where those numbers come from?


i found a website that ranked all of Kurosawa's films as an aggregate of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. Then i seeded them in each bracket accordingly, with slight tweaks based on my own assessments.


Impressive!



I rewatched Ikiru again the other night and was still overwhelmed by the end with every aspect of it. In a while I'll head over to the library to pick up Tampopo*, Dodes'kaden, and Hakuchi (The Idiot) for some overindulgence. Then I'll know if it's The Idiot or Scandal that I need to find as I know I saw one of them but not which one. For me they fell into the slot along with I Live in Fear.



*Some day I need to go on a rave regarding Juzo Itami.

Vic Sage
Dec 05 2019 12:06 PM
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i loved Tampopo, but you'll have to go out and eat Ramen right after seeing it.

Double Switch
Dec 05 2019 12:12 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:

i loved Tampopo, but you'll have to go out and eat Ramen right after seeing it.


I love that stuff! Slurp!



And it's good to see Tsutomu Yamazaki as a good guy, still around at 83.

whippoorwill
Dec 05 2019 07:32 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:

Kirk Douglas is also 103 years old.


That is incredible. How old is his son? Doesn't he have an actor son?

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2019 06:46 AM
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Four sons. Two became producers and two became actors, one of which pre-deceased Kirk by overdosing at 46.

Vic Sage
Dec 11 2019 08:54 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Thirty films. That's a nice round number. No need to cast aside the early stuff. Let them stand or fall in competition.


well, its 31 films, but sure. It doesn't really matter, though; nobody coming out of that bracket is going to beat 7 SAMURAI in the 1 v 4 quarter-finals.

dgwphotography
Dec 11 2019 04:31 PM
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After seeing the crap CGI in the Ford V Ferrari trailer, I have a yearning to watch Le Mans.

Vic Sage
Dec 12 2019 08:42 AM
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Ahhhh, McQueen. King of cool. He did a lot of his own driving in the movie, having competed in actual races.

Vic Sage
Dec 12 2019 08:43 AM
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time for a list of best racing movies!

Vic Sage
Dec 12 2019 02:58 PM
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Here's a car list from the archives:



MAN AT THE WHEEL



There is a man is at the wheel… he is driving fast, destination unknown. He may be chased, or in pursuit. He may have loved once, or been loved, and he may be fleeing justice, or seeking it, but now all the meaning in his life is defined by his skill and velocity. He is merely an object in space, and his only remaining relationship is with his machine. He is likely to meet his fate at gunpoint, or at a point of impact, or find himself at the vanishing point, where open blacktop meets the distant horizon.



He is a burnt out shell of a man, a ronin, the existential anti-hero at the wheel, hurtling toward his fate… and these are the movies that define him:



FAST & THE FURIOUS (1955) – this is the first AIP/Corman B-Movie… guy on the run, girl in danger, hijacked jaguar… time to race!

THE WILD RIDE (1960) – quintessential AIP/Corman juvenile delinquency flick for the Beat generation, with Jack Nicholson making trouble, racing around and dying young.

BONNIE & CLYDE (1967) – notorious lovers on the run in their vintage 30s cars, careening around to banjo music, until they're shot to death in their car.

VANISHING POINT (1971) – This is the absolute epitome of the genre.

2-LANE BLACKTOP (1971) – Monty Hellman's philosophical road picture

BADLANDS (1973) – Bonnie & Clyde's younger version, more interested in killing than stealing.

DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY (1974) – Peter Fonda on the run in a Dodge Charger

GONE IN 60 SECONDS (1974), (2000) (– also DEADLINE AUTO THEFT / THE JUNKMAN follow-ups) – stunt-driver HB Halicki wrote, produced, directed and starred in this no-budget chase film about car thieves. Halicki died in a car stunt making a sequel. These are probably unwatchable now, but the big budget remake with Nick Cage sucks, too.

SUGARLAND EXPRESS (1974) – Spielberg's first feature, with Goldie Hawn on the run.

RETURN TO MACON COUNTY (1975) – young Don Johnson and Nick Nolte in this sequel to MACON COUNTY LINE, about delinquents looking to drag race.

TAXI DRIVER (1976) – He prowls the night, waiting for a rain to come and wash the scum from the streets… that is, until he realizes that HE is the rainstorm he's been waiting for.

THE DRIVER (1978) – Walter Hill's take on the existential wheel man.

BREATHLESS (1983) – while not quite as good as Godard's version (1960), they both celebrate the aimless criminal and his lover on the run

THELMA & LOUISE (1991) – a distaff version of Bonnie & Clyde, they end up driving off a cliff rather than live lives as southern housewives. Can't say I blame them.

HEAVEN'S BURNING (1997) – An Ozzie Bonnie & Clyde, with young Russell Crowe.

AMERICAN PERFEKT (1997) – Robert Forster as a psycho-psychiatrist on the run with a body in the trunk.

TRANSPORTER (2002), II (2005), III (2008) – Jason Statham as a merc who transports illicit packages in a cool BMW – no questions asked, of course.

DEATH PROOF (2007) – Tarentino's psycho automotive serial killer meets his match in pack of deadly female stunt drivers.

DRIVE (2011) – Ryan Gosling picks up the mantel of the wheelman not to be crossed, and knocks it out of the park



Moonshiners: these southern gothic actioners are a subset of the genre; usually low-budget exploitation by AIP, but Robert Mitchum set the standard in THUNDER ROAD and the Dukes buried it.



THUNDER ROAD (1958)

WHITE LIGHTNING (1973)

MOONRUNNERS (1975)

DIXIE DYNAMITE (1976)

BAD GEORGIA ROAD (1977)

THUNDER & LIGHTNING (1977)

DUKES OF HAZZARD (2005)



Driver comedies: the comic approach to the man behind the wheel has basically taken the form of extended chase films, usually involving illegal races, or chases, or crashes on a ridiculous scale.



IT'S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD (1963) – also RAT RACE (2001)

FIREBALL 500 (1966)

EAT MY DUST (1976)

GUMBALL RALLY (1976)

CANNONBALL (1976)

GRAND THEFT AUTO (1977)

SMOKEY & THE BANDIT (1977), II (1980), III (1983)

BLUES BROTHERS (1980)

CANNONBALL RUN (1981)



Cross-genre driver movies: the existential driver pops up in horror and SF, most notably the MAD MAX movies.



DEATH RACE 2000 (1975) – black comedy/SF became a cult classic

MAD MAX (1979), II (1981), III (1985) – the ultimate in “burnt out shell of a man on the road” movies

THE LAST CHASE (1981) – bad sci fi but on the nose, theme-wise.

CARS (2006) – animated cars, but no drivers!

SPEED RACER (2008) – the cartoon comes to life, but no anti-heroes.



Horror Cars: some horror films feature the car or the driver as a supernatural force chasing the protagonist, which doesn't really fit the genre but what the hell:



DUEL (1971) – Spielberg's first was a TV film but got a theatrical release.

CARS THAT ATE PARIS (1974) – Peter Weir's Ozzie flick

RACE WITH THE DEVIL (1975) – Satanists chase Peter Fonda

CHRISTINE (1983) – Stephen King's killer car

DRIVE ANGRY (2011) – another over-the-top Nick Cage on the run film, escaped from Hell and chased by Satanists.



*The Trucker movie - sometimes the car is a big rig, and the driver is seeking justice, or a paycheck, or just survival.



THEY DRIVE BY NIGHT (1940)

WHITE LINE FEVER (1975)

SORCERER (1977) – Friedkin's remake of WAGE OF FEAR (1953)

CONVOY (1978)



*Bikers - sometimes they drive 2 wheels, not 4.



GIRL ON THE MOTORCYCLE (1968)

EASY RIDER (1969)

ELECTRA GLIDE IN BLUE (1973)

GHOST RIDER (2010), II (2012)



*And sometimes, it's a train.



EMPEROR OF THE NORTH (1973)

RUNAWAY TRAIN (1985)



The Big Race: these aren't really anti-hero movies, featuring instead race car drivers driving legitimate races, but they do have some overlap.



THE GREAT RACE (1965) - Blake Edwards "race around the world" comedy with Tony Curtis, and Curtis's similar followup, THOSE DARING YOUNG MEN IN THEIR JAUNTY JALOPIES (1969)

GRAND PRIX (1966) – James Garner

WINNING (1969) – Paul Newman

LE MANS (1971) – Steve McQueen

LAST AMERICAN HERO (1973) - Jeff Bridges, true story about a moonshiner who becomes a stock car champion.

GREASED LIGHTNING (1977) – ditto, with Richard Pryor

STROKER ACE (1983) - good ole boy Burt Reynolds, in his comic redneck NASCAR driver mode (as opposed to comic redneck outrunning-the-cops mode)

DAYS OF THUNDER (1990) – Tom Cruise

TALLADEGA NIGHTS (2006) – Will Ferrell



Car chasers: some movies just feature a spectacular car chase or 2, but otherwise don't fit the genre. Worth mentioning are:



THE GREAT ESCAPE (1963) – McQueen racing on a motorcycle, jumping barbed wire

BULLITT (1968) – McQueen as a cop in hot pursuit on the hilly streets of SF

THE ITALIAN JOB (1969) – Caper film with Michael Caine

FRENCH CONNECTION (1971) – Friedkin's race under the L

THE GETAWAY (1972) – McQueen and McGraw on the run

SEVEN UPS (1973) – Cops in hot pursuit

MCQ (1974) – The Duke in a cool car

TO LIVE & DIE IN LA (1985) – Slick Michael Mann and his LA cops

RONIN (1998) – caper film with DeNiro and getaway chase through Europe

FAST & THE FURIOUS (2001), II, III, IV, V – this Vin Diesel series fetishizes car culture like none other. The only problem is it's about an undercover cop, not an existential anti-hero, so not within the genre.



Lifetime achievement award: Steve McQueen – the Tao of Steve required maintaining a detached cool even astride a Harley vaulting barbed wire fences to evade Nazis, flying a car over the hills of San Francisco, racing at Le Mans, on the run with Ali McGraw, bounty hunting atop a train, shot flying a jet as Thomas Crowne, financing a documentary on bikers, and generally living his life at maximum RPM. Runner-up: Paul Newman. Special mention: Burt Reynolds. Nick Cage has desperately attempted to join their elite ranks, but Nick lacks the chops and his movies usually suck.

LWFS
Dec 12 2019 08:00 PM
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What, no Baby Driver (2017)? Edgar Wright's vehicle vehicle may be more of a caper-gone-wrong-er, but still... practical driving stuntin' (to a fantastically curated soundtrack) is VERY much a featured co-star.



The underrated CB-prank-gone-wrong slasher Joy Ride (2001) is worth a notice, too.

Double Switch
Dec 12 2019 08:39 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

As for car chases/chasees/chasers, I have two words: Bill Hickman.

Vic Sage
Dec 13 2019 11:40 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

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What, no Baby Driver (2017)? Edgar Wright's vehicle vehicle may be more of a caper-gone-wrong-er, but still... practical driving stuntin' (to a fantastically curated soundtrack) is VERY much a featured co-star.



The underrated CB-prank-gone-wrong slasher Joy Ride (2001) is worth a notice, too.



That article pre-dated BABY DRIVER. I'd definitely include it now.

Frayed Knot
Dec 13 2019 01:27 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Dec 15 2019 11:53 AM

I feel this movie/driving topic deserves its own thread (as does Kurosawa if that project ever actually gets off the ground).



The racing movie sub-topic now also includes the more recent:

- RUSH (2013): two polar opposite 'Formula One' drivers vying for the same prize start off as antagonists wind up with at least grudging respect for each other. Ron Howard directs, Chris Hemsworth, Daniel Bruhl in the leads.

- FORD vs FERRARI (2019): maverick driver-turned-designer (Matt Damon) hires maverick driver (Christian Bale) as they butt heads with corporate culture after Ford decides to spruce up their image by taking on Ferrari in European road racing.

MFS62
Dec 15 2019 08:29 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Did anyone mention A Man and a Woman (1966)?



Later

kcmets
Dec 15 2019 03:33 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Watched The Ox Bow Incident earlier today for the 15th time. Henry

Fonda and a young Col Potter from the mid 40's.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 20 2019 09:24 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Just saw this thread. There are a few movies I could watch over and over.

I can recite Casablanca from memory ("Are my eyes really brown?") but that's a cheapie that's on everyone's list.

It's not a car chase but the cropduster scene from North by Northwest is a few minutes of the best cinema ever. I saw it on the big screen recently and that scene is even more awesome.

And Grace Kelly tooling around the back roads of Monaco in To Catch a Thief is lots of fun. Yeah, I'm a Hitchcock fan.

The 1953 War of the Worlds was one of the best sci-fi movies to come out of the '50's. Still scary today.

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World is fun for celebrity spotting.

Blazing Saddles is a movie that couldn't be made today, but I'm glad Mel Brooks made it when he did.

Things to Come is a 1936 British movie that looks into the future after a world war. Old-school dystopia and redemption by technology.

Vic Sage
Dec 21 2019 08:32 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Hitchcock?

I got a filmography essay somewhere.

Edgy MD
Dec 21 2019 09:16 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Lefty Specialist wrote:
It's not a car chase but the cropduster scene from North by Northwest is a few minutes of the best cinema ever.


We just noticed this got redone by James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

Vic Sage
Dec 21 2019 10:03 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

I've got to take another look at that. but its also a scene that's been referenced many times over the years, like the Odessa Steps sequence from POTEMPKIN

Vic Sage
Dec 21 2019 10:04 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

I can't find my Hitchcock essay in the archives.

oh well. another moment lost, like tears in rain.

MFS62
Dec 21 2019 06:14 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Vic, do you agree with me about Man and a Woman on the car movie list?

Later

Vic Sage
Jan 07 2020 02:59 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

i didn't really consider foreign-language films, and if i did, i don't really think of MAN AND A WOMAN that way. Its racing is incidental, but i can definitely see the argument for it's inclusion. Maybe under the "big race" sub genre, despite the fact that its not about any particular race.

Willets Point
Jan 09 2020 10:49 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

I DO like old movies. I also like new movies. Starting last summer I've been making a concerted effort to watch some classic movies that I've never seen before. I started in the silent era and I'm up to the early 60s now. There's still a lot of movies I've missed though. So little time.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 09 2020 12:07 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Any silent movies stand out for you? I particularly like The Crowd. Also, Sunrise, and The Big Parade. My son really likes The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

Willets Point
Jan 09 2020 02:12 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

I like the Charlie Chaplin movies - The Kid, The Gold Rush, and City Lights. Harold Lloyd's Safety Last and Buster Keaton's The General are also funny with great action sequences. Battleship Potemkin and Man with a Movie Camera are both very interesting from a film history/technical innovation perspective but aren't exactly entertaining movies. Nosferatu is creepy and made me realize that I know very little of Dracula lore. Metropolis and Pandora's Box were slogs but they had their moments. Wings has great flying sequences and the adorable Clara Bow although the movie feels like it was made to be Oscar bait even before the Oscars were invented.



The only movie that you mentioned that I've watched before is The Big Parade, but that was in my high school film studies class so I barely remember it.

MFS62
Jan 10 2020 06:32 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Benjamin Grimm wrote:

Any silent movies stand out for you? I particularly like The Crowd. Also, Sunrise, and The Big Parade. My son really likes The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.


Abel Gance's Napoleon and Sergei Eisenstein's Thunder Over Mexico.

Later

Vic Sage
Jan 10 2020 02:19 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

I saw Napoleon at Radio City Music Hall, with a live orchestra conducted by Carmine Coppola. It was glorious.

Vic Sage
Jan 10 2020 02:37 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Vic Sage wrote:

I can't find my Hitchcock essay in the archives.

oh well. another moment lost, like tears in rain.




i found it!





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- "Film your murders like love scenes, and film your love scenes like murders", Alfred Hitchcock.



Sir Alfred Hitchcock, the proverbial master of suspense, is generally considered the greatest British director of all time.



Hitch was a small, lonely, fat lad ("I was an uncommonly unattractive young man."), with an absent father and controlling mother, raised in strict catholic home. There is a story that, as a child, he was sent to the local constabulary, with a letter from his father. The policeman read the letter and immediately locked the boy up for ten minutes. After that, the sergeant let young Alfred go, explaining, "This is what happens to people who do bad things." He had a morbid fear of police from that day on. Obviously, such an upbringing would likely precipitate his later preoccupations, and so his neurotic obsessions with guilt, wrongful accusation, lost identity, voyeurism, and the linkage of sex and death formed the themes of his most iconic work.



He started out as an engineering draftsman and designer, which is evident in the visual storytelling techniques he developed ("If it's a good movie, the sound could go off and the audience would still have a perfectly clear idea of what was going on.") He then got work in the fledgling silent film industry in the UK, with some stops and starts. His first hit was the silent thriller THE LODGER, loosely based on Jack the ripper. His subsequent successes (MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, 39 STEPS and LADY VANISHES) would catch the attention of Hollywood, and the siren's song would soon call him across the pond.



selection of UK films:

* The Lodger (1927) - silent

* Blackmail (1929) - silent & then released as UK's 1st talkie

* The Man Who Knew too much (1934) - his 1st international hit (better than the subsequent remake)

* 39 Steps (1935) - his first great film

* The Lady Vanishes (1938) - another great early film, got the attention of Hollywood

* Jamaica Inn (1939) - a flop, but didn't deter Selznick



Selznick years



Noted producer David O. Selznick brought Hitch to Hollywood to direct the gothic melodrama REBECCA, to much acclaim and success, but not without tension between the two titanic control freaks. Hitch went on to make a number of successful films during his "Selznick years", though some were for other studios to whom Selznick had loaned (i.e., sold) him out. SUSPICION, NOTORIOUS and SHADOW OF A DOUBT are the best thrillers of the period. FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT, SABOTEUR and LIFEBOAT are all solid WWII-themed works, but MR & MRS SMITH is a forgettable romantic comedy, SPELLBOUND is overwrought psychobabble and PARADINE CASE an overlong courtroom drama. Gregory Peck was not one of Hitch's better leading men, as his particular brand of square-jawed heroism lacked the moral ambiguity and sly humor of his more successful collaborations with Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart.



* Rebecca (1940) - Academy Award (Best Picture) for Selznick, not Hitch. ultimately, more a Selznick movie than a Hitchcock movie (one of the few Hitch was not involved with the script's development). It has not dated well.

* Foreign Correspondent (1940) (AA nom/picture) - solid WWII anti-Nazi agitprop

* Mr. & Mrs. Smith (1941) - minor screwball comedy with Carole Lombard

* Suspicion (1941) - 1st work as a producer (AA nom/picture), and his first work with Cary Grant; solid, but a sellout ending

* Saboteur (1942) - solid WWII era "wrong man" thriller, ending atop Statue of Liberty (action scenes on iconic monuments a continuing motif)

* Shadow of a Doubt (1943) - Joseph Cotton great as psycho Uncle Charlie... terrific; Hitch's personal fave

* Lifeboat (1944) (AA nom/director) - solid WWII drama; more theatrical than cinematic (the "single set" limitation is one he'd go back to)

* Spellbound (1945) (AA nom/director, picture) - Gregory Peck, with 1st of hitch's great "cool blondes", Ingrid Bergman, and a Dali dream sequence. Doesn't hold up at all. Freudian subtext becomes text. silly, talky

* Notorious (1946) - Grant and Bergman are a much better pairing, Rains makes a great Cuckolded villain

* The Paradine Case (1947) - overlong courtroom flop, with Bergman & Peck



Warners:



After his contract with Selznick expired, Hitchcock produced his next 2, both flops. He experimented with extended cuts and technicolor in ROPE, loosely based on the Leopold & Loeb thrill killer case, with a miscast Jimmy Stewart as an academic. UNDER CAPRICORN was likely undone not only by its mediocrity but the worldwide scandal that Ingrid Bergman was in the middle of (as she was having an affair, and later a child, with director Roberto Rosellini). The films were released by Warner Bros, and they then produced many of his subsequent films of the period (most of which were not particularly successful). DIAL M was Hitch's first big widescreen effort, in which he used some 3D effects, though the film was not actually released in 3D version until the 1980s. It also featured the 1st work with his new "cool blonde", Grace Kelly.



* Rope (1948) - interesting filmic experiment, but dramatically flawed

* Under Capricorn (1949) - dull flop

* Stage Fright (1950) - Dietrich, minor work

* Strangers on a Train (1951) - the best of this WB period

* I Confess (1953) - Monty Clift as priest; nothing special. Hitch was not a fan of "method actors".

* Dial M for Murder (1954) -first widescreen film (3D in 1980s) and 1st with Grace Kelly; holds up pretty well.

* The Wrong Man (1956) - true story, with Henry Fonda. Its documentary feel undermines dramatic impact.



Paramount:



- "Blondes make the best victims. They're like virgin snow that shows up the bloody footprints."



Hitch did 5 films with Paramount, which were all given a theatrical re-release back in the 1980s, before being distributed in the newly burgeoning home video market. 2 of these were two of his very best films, REAR WINDOW and VERTIGO, both with Jimmy Stewart at his most sexually disturbing and obsessed, verging on sado-masochistic.



* Rear Window (1954) (AA nom/director) - Stewart & Kelly; darkly funny, disturbing rumination on voyeurism

* To Catch a Thief (1955) - Kelly and Grant in light romantic thriller; urbane sophisticated entertainment. Kelly went on to become Princess Grace after the film

* The Trouble with Harry (1955) - black comedy about a dead body, with a cute young Shirley McLaine; silly, pointless

* The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) - Doris Day sings "Que Sera, Sera" -- a ridiculous remake

* Vertigo (1958) - my favorite cool blonde, Kim Novak, totally fetishized by Stewart (and Hitch). One of the greatest films ever made

* North by Northwest (1959) - Grant and E.M.Saint, "wrong man", black comedy, Freudian sexual hysteria, thrilling climax on national monument, the crop duster... its Hitch at his absolute best

* Psycho (1960) (AA nom/director) - Hitch crossed the line from suspense to pure horror (depending on your definition), reinventing the genre and making a fortune for his efforts... he waived his salary to take 60% of net profits when he produced it as an indie (nobody wanted to touch the project), but eventually distributed by Paramount



Universal:



As host of his own long-running TV anthology series, Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1955-65), Hitch became an international celebrity bigger than any of his movies ("I was very pleased that television was now showing murder stories, because it's bringing murder back into its rightful setting - in the home").



During the late 50s, his artistic accomplishments as a filmmaker were finally being recognized in Europe by Truffaut and other french journalists-turned-filmmakers, and he became the darling of the new auteur theorists. But Hitch's health started to deteriorate in the 1960s, and his films for Universal in the mid 60s-70s mark his slow fade.



* The Birds (1963) - Tippi Hedren was his next and last "cool blonde"; still memorable depiction of an avian uprising mysteriously connected to sexual desire. Arguably his last great film

* Marnie (1964) - Hedren with Sean Connery in a psycho-sexual thriller that harkened back to SPELLBOUND in its Freudian obsessions; unsuccessful but some critical views put it in the pantheon of Hitch's best work. I disagree

* Torn Curtain (1964) - an unsuccessful cold war thriller, this time with Julie Andrews (who was foisted upon him) and Paul Newman, who, as another "method actor", was a problem for Hitch. ("When an actor comes to me and wants to discuss his character, I say, "It's in the script"/ If he says, "But what's my motivation?", I say, "Your salary")

* Topaz (1969) - another cold war thriller, this one had no stars and flopped

* Frenzy (1972) - hitch went back to the UK, and became more explicit in his depiction of sex and death; some said it was a return to form, others bemoaned its excesses. But he always pushed the boundaries

* Family Plot (1976) - this goofy black comedy was Hitch's final film and an inauspicious final note



Never having won an Oscar as a director, Hitch was finally given a lifetime award in 1967 (his acceptance speech: "thank you.") In 1979, he was knighted (When asked by a member of the press why, at his advanced age, it took so long for the British government to grant him the title of Knight, he said: "I think it's just a matter of carelessness.") He died shortly thereafter. but his work lives on, not only in film archives, but in the careers of many filmmakers who came after him and were so influenced by his remarkable output.



A dozen to see:

39 Steps (1935)

Rebecca (1940)

Shadow of a Doubt (1943)

Notorious (1946)

Strangers on a Train (1951)

Dial M for Murder (1954)

Rear Window (1954)

Vertigo (1958)

North by Northwest (1959)

Psycho (1960)

The Birds (1963)

Frenzy (1972)

MFS62
Jan 10 2020 07:25 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

And there was the "best Hitchcock movie he never made" - Charade. (Directed by Stanley Donen) I wonder what Hitchcock thought of it.

Later

Edgy MD
Jan 12 2020 08:06 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

There's a whole subplot of Hitchcock knockoffs and homages. Besides Charade, there's Wait Until Dark, Night Train to Munich, Dressed to Kill*, Twelve Monkeys, Le Boucher, Bell, Book, and Candle (a Hitchcock movie in virtually every way except suspense, so there's that), Les Diaboliques, and I'm sure there are many I'm forgetting.



* Is Brian DePalma the auteur of ripping off the style of other auteurs?

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 16 2020 11:09 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Vic Sage wrote:

Vic Sage wrote:

I can't find my Hitchcock essay in the archives.

oh well. another moment lost, like tears in rain.




i found it!





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Paramount:



- "Blondes make the best victims. They're like virgin snow that shows up the bloody footprints."



Hitch did 5 films with Paramount, which were all given a theatrical re-release back in the 1980s, before being distributed in the newly burgeoning home video market. 2 of these were two of his very best films, REAR WINDOW and VERTIGO, both with Jimmy Stewart at his most sexually disturbing and obsessed, verging on sado-masochistic.



* Rear Window (1954) (AA nom/director) - Stewart & Kelly; darkly funny, disturbing rumination on voyeurism

* To Catch a Thief (1955) - Kelly and Grant in light romantic thriller; urbane sophisticated entertainment. Kelly went on to become Princess Grace after the film

* The Trouble with Harry (1955) - black comedy about a dead body, with a cute young Shirley McLaine; silly, pointless

* The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) - Doris Day sings "Que Sera, Sera" -- a ridiculous remake

* Vertigo (1958) - my favorite cool blonde, Kim Novak, totally fetishized by Stewart (and Hitch). One of the greatest films ever made

* North by Northwest (1959) - Grant and E.M.Saint, "wrong man", black comedy, Freudian sexual hysteria, thrilling climax on national monument, the crop duster... its Hitch at his absolute best

* Psycho (1960) (AA nom/director) - Hitch crossed the line from suspense to pure horror (depending on your definition), reinventing the genre and making a fortune for his efforts... he waived his salary to take 60% of net profits when he produced it as an indie (nobody wanted to touch the project), but eventually distributed by Paramount






I know how much you like Vertigo. If you don't already know, it recently replaced Citizen Kane as The British Film Institute's best movie of all time. Me, I'm a Psycho guy. Heard of 78/52?


When the latest British Film Institute greatest-films-of-all-time poll came out a few years ago, it wasn't terribly surprising that an Alfred Hitchcock film had displaced “Citizen Kane,” which had occupied the top spot for several decades. But why “Vertigo”? If the importance of Orson Welles' classic had stemmed from the common view that it launched sound-era auteur cinema (especially in its influence on the young critics who would become the auteurs of the French New Wave), surely the Hitchcock film that had a similar game-changing impact was “Psycho.”



That thought may well cross the minds of viewers of “78/52,” which, in providing a detailed analysis of the shower scene in Hitchcock's horror milestone, makes a persuasive case for “Psycho” as the film that jump-started modern cinema, not just in its startling fusion of sex and violence (which anticipated much about the ‘60s, off-screen as well as on) but also in a revolutionary use of film technique that would galvanize audiences and inspire filmmakers for decades to come.



While Alexandre O. Philippe's film is essentially a big geek-out for cine-obsessives, it's one that makes you realize that “Psycho” is not the property of a coterie. That shower scene may be the best-known movie sequence in modern cinema. Endlessly imitated and parodied (and even remade shot-by-shot by Gus Van Sant), it's familiar material even to many casual movie fans as well as filmgoers generations removed from its shocking advent.



That familiarity means that many viewers of “78/52” (the title refers to the three-minute scene's 78 camera set-ups and 52 cuts) will begin the film realizing they already know a lot about what's being discussed. The virtue of Philippe's approach is that it organizes an intelligent, analytic discussion that expands and deepens our knowledge by drawing upon commentary from the likes of Walter Murch, Peter Bogdanovich, Bret Easton Ellis, Eli Roth, Danny Elfman, Jamie Lee Curtis, Guillermo del Toro and others, plus vintage TV clips of Hitchcock interviews.



Some of the most fascinating testimony comes from Marli Renfro, a model (and sometime Playboy Bunny) who served as Janet Leigh's body double in the shower scene. She recalls the scene's lengthy shooting, in which she was topless and offered to remove the “crotch patch” she wore; Hitchcock declined.



Starting out, the film makes the point that the low-budget, black-and-white “Psycho” was a deliberate antithesis to the big, glossy, Technicolor star vehicles (such as “North by Northwest,” “Vertigo” and “Rear Window”) that made the 1950s Hitchcock's most successful decade so far. For this viewer, though, one of the most thought-provoking bits of contextualizing here comes in connecting the movie's theme of invaded spaces and unexpected attacks to the warnings that Hitchcock provided in films like “Foreign Correspondent” and “Lifeboat” of what he saw as the U.K. and U.S.' lack of preparedness for World War II.



Although Philippe gives surprisingly little attention to how Hitchcock's popular TV show influenced “Psycho,” he does note that when the movie was done, Hitchcock considered it such a flop that he considered editing it down to an hour and using it on TV. Composer Bernard Hermann convinced him to do otherwise, and gave him the legendary score that helped the shower scene elicits screams from coast to coast. Peter Bogdanovich recalls emerging from the movie's first showing in New York feeling that he'd been “raped.”



Shot in black and white and generous in its use of clips from “Psycho” and other movies, “78/52” looks at virtually every aspect of the shower scene—including the staging, the production design, the music and sound effects, the camera work, Saul Bass' storyboards, etc.—and marvels at how brilliantly integrated they were. The word “genius” is heard more than once, and the more the film shows us, the less even hardened skeptics will be likely to demur.



Some of the most fascinating bits concern details in “Psycho,” showing how even minor design elements in the movie contribute to its overall tapestry of meaning and emotion. There's a discussion of the floral wallpaper in the Bates Motel, and a detailed analysis of why the Dutch painting of “Susannah and the Elders” that covers Norman Bates' peephole was the perfect rendition to connect the Biblical theme to Norman's state of mind.



Philippe's interviewees also pay ample tribute to the subtle modulations in Anthony Perkins' brilliant and haunting performance as Norman. No one, though, wonders if his casting might have had something to do his status as a closeted gay man whose biography contained a dead father and domineering mother (similar casting questions of course could be asked of other Hitchcock films including “Rope” and “Strangers on a Train”).



Perhaps unsurprisingly, there are no interviewees here who question the value of “Psycho” or its impact on the culture. That's because it's basically a fan's film, of course. But it's also testament to the power and mastery of a movie that, nearly 60 years on, still feels as modern, complex and cutting-edge as any film released in 2017.


https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/7852-2017



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Vic Sage
Jan 16 2020 11:19 AM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

i wanted to see that! It was on Netflix, then it was gone.

Double Switch
Jan 25 2020 11:53 PM
Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 30 2020 11:04 AM


And there was the "best Hitchcock movie he never made" - Charade. (Directed by Stanley Donen) I wonder what Hitchcock thought of it.


Never having seen Charade before, barely recalling it, in fact, except for the Mancini pop tune of the same name, I borrowed it from the public library. I wonder just who thought this was anything like a Hitchcock movie? I surely don't.



This is the review I left on the library review blog:

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This movie, touted as the best movie Hitchcock never made, is nothing more than a silly '60s caper flick featuring a too-old-to-be a-romantic-leading-man in Cary Grant and a lovely, if lightweight (not just thin) Audrey Hepburn.


[list]

  • There is no McGuffin
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  • There is no icy blonde to conquer
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  • There is no compelling score, only a fluffy, if "hooky," pop-music theme from ubiquitous Henry Mancini
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  • The titles are a Saul Bass ripoff
  • [/list]


    There was, however, an obligatory and obvious scene of rear projection of Grant and Hepburn having dinner on a boat traversing the Seine. This was truly distracting.



    There was no suspense at all as each thug's demise was completely telegraphed in advance, including that Walter Matthau was the actual crook, not Cary Grant.



    There was some shameful scenery chewing from Coburn, Kennedy, and Glass. Kidnapping the kid was not an homage to the remake of The Man Who Knew Too Much. It was just a bit of madcap silliness.



    Stanley Donen made a lot of pretty good movies. This was a pretty good movie, too, but it's not Hitchcockian by any stretch no matter how far you reach.

    Double Switch
    Jan 25 2020 11:57 PM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    As long as I'm here, I have found a reason to need Netflix (but doubt I'll cave).



    What Did Jack Do?



    Toototaban!

    batmagadanleadoff
    Jan 26 2020 05:29 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Here's an oddity: "Charade" is in the public domain and has been since its initial premiere release. The film's makers forgot to put the copyright symbol on the film's print'', required under copyright law back then and so there's no copyright on the movie.

    Vic Sage
    Jan 30 2020 10:55 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Double Switch wrote:

    As long as I'm here, I have found a reason to need Netflix (but doubt I'll cave).



    What Did Jack Do?



    Toototaban!


    i watched that last week, out of curiousity. Its pure Lynch - weird, funny, perverse. Reminded me of ERASERHEAD.

    MFS62
    Jan 30 2020 05:23 PM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    I saw 1917 today and it reminded me of a movie I saw in the 1950s.

    It was a black and white war movie (Korea ?) in which a Colonel has to get a complex message to troops at the front. He calls upon a nerdy GI because the soldier has a photographic memory and can recite the message word-for-word. (I think it was because they could not use their radios.) He was to be accompanied by an experienced solder. The soldier briefly scans the message and then recites it, ending with "Good luck (signed) Colonel Lockwood".

    It was a comedy/ army farce and I can't remember the actors or any of the stars. I thought the nerd was like a Sid Meton, but it wasn't.

    Can any of you provide the title?

    Please?

    Later

    MFS62
    Feb 02 2020 07:57 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Found it!

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195927/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl



    Later

    batmagadanleadoff
    Mar 30 2020 04:19 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Vic Sage wrote:

    Double Switch wrote:

    Would you tell me where those numbers come from?


    i found a website that ranked all of Kurosawa's films as an aggregate of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. Then i seeded them in each bracket accordingly, with slight tweaks based on my own assessments.




    Apropos of the big Kurosawa discussion here a few months ago, TCM is running a 24 hour Kurosawa extravaganza beginning this Wednesday at 6AM. Wall to wall Kurosawa.

    Willets Point
    Mar 30 2020 08:16 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    I should add TCM to my cable subscription, although I already have more than enough movies that I want to watch on streaming sources.

    Vic Sage
    Apr 24 2020 03:16 PM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?


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    i just found it streaming on HULU!

    i'm checking it out this weekend.

    MFS62
    May 02 2020 06:53 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    If you can get past the shtick of the host, the original Frankenstein will be shown on Svengoolie tonight.

    Later

    Willets Point
    May 08 2020 06:30 PM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    I put together a list of every movie I've ever watched (that I can remember) with ratings and links to movies I've reviewed, should anyone be interested.

    Frayed Knot
    May 08 2020 07:08 PM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Holy Shit!!

    MFS62
    May 09 2020 07:07 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    Willets Point wrote:

    I put together a list of every movie I've ever watched (that I can remember) with ratings and links to movies I've reviewed, should anyone be interested.

    Impressive and eclectic.

    Silence of the Lambs 2 1/2 stars? I would have wanted to see how you reviewed it.

    And, add Putney Swope to your next round of viewing.

    Later

    Willets Point
    May 09 2020 11:38 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    I saw it a long time ago. Movies with psychotic murderers as protagonists don't resonate well with me. The ratings are entirely subjective, obviously.



    I've never heard of Putney Swope, but it looks good!

    LWFS
    May 21 2020 08:49 AM
    Re: Does anyone here like old movies?

    We watched Young Frankenstein the other day.



    Is it sacrilege to suggest that it's something of a museum piece at this point? It's painstakingly crafted, obviously, and what's funny is great, but it's MUCH slower and more airless than I remember it being.