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2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 12:26 PM

I'm dropping a preview of the 2020 preview threads because, discrediting the hearsay of all those contemptible Never-Yoenis bureaucrats, Yoenis Céspedes appeared at the Mets complex in St. Lucie to take batting practice. That's legendary Mets pitcher Endy Chavez bringing it from the portside. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/LifeOfTimReilly/status/1196837773090705409[/TWEET]

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 12:50 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

The video has since been deleted, presumably after Jeff Wilpon called him and chewed him out for undermining his insurance fraud. "Do you realize how hard it is to say he can't play if you post video of him playing!?!?!?!?"

Edgy MD Nov 19 2019 01:20 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Well, I can sill see it. Maybe I have it cached or something. Let's just say I don't anticipate Endy helping the team much on the mound in 2020.

Centerfield Nov 19 2019 01:56 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Sorry. What I meant is Endy took it down. It's been recaptured all over the place so it's on the net, but Endy Chavez deleted it from IG. Which has led to speculation, including mine, as to why. We've all noted how strange it is that there have been no updates on Cespedes. Clearly there is intent there, especially since Brodie was as vague as one can be when asked specifically last week. I'm guessing that they're not happy at all that Endy provided the world of a video of living, breathing, hitting Cespedes.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2019 02:20 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

... and these visions of Yeonis / make it all seem so cruel

Ceetar Nov 19 2019 03:14 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Weird and dumb that he took it down. makes no sense, even from a 'whoops' standpoint, it's not like people are going to forget it's there. It's the internet. This is literally what I assumed Cespedes was doing anyway, so all this does is tell the public that he's not having setbacks I guess. I'm sure all the insiders know, it's not like Barwis is a Mets exclusive. I don't think it's strange that there hasn't been updates on his status in the offseason. It's his own business, the Mets have no incentive to put out that information, and the media is disinterested in really digging for it. Not to mention that the media hasn't really been gracious with Cespedes as a whole in a way that would make him super into updating them.

smg58 Nov 19 2019 06:33 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

He was already swinging a bat before he broke his ankles. It means something if his home run trot isn't his top speed. I don't see the point in reading stuff into everything. If he's healthy, he plays.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2019 08:29 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

The Post has provided the very first entry for the 2020 Tabloid Cover Derby: http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20191120_NYP_02.jpg>

Ceetar Nov 20 2019 08:54 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

it's weird that they repurposed the cover from 10/15/2020 when he hit two home runs in the clincher against pirates.

Ceetar Nov 20 2019 08:55 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

gotta love that quote though "and industry source" says he intends to play. That could literally be anyone. The groundscrew at PSL is in the 'industry'. and also, duh? That's what BP is. an intention to play baseball.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 09:52 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Yeah, it's funny that he's wearing completely different clothes.

Centerfield Nov 20 2019 10:14 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I'm not sure why we are pretending that the Cespedes situation isn't strange. It's clearly strange. When a player is hurt, there is a description of his injury, a timetable for his recovery, and periodic updates. After Cespedes's ankle surgery, there have been no updates, no prognosis given, no time table. This is strange. It became stranger when Brodie Van Wagenen, when asked directly about it, gave as vague an answer as possible. All he would say is that it was "too early to tell". We now know that Van Wagenen had much more information, but chose not to disclose. Meaning that his answer of the week prior was intentionally vague. Ces isn't holed up at his ranch refusing to answer the Mets. He's at their facility in St. Lucie, walking, hitting, and taking BP from Endy Chavez. Any of this information could have been shared, but it was not. So we have no choice but to speculate why. The obvious guess is insurance. I suspect that if there was no insurance, updates on Ces would be all over the place. He's doing great. Recovery is right on track. It benefits their likely unwillingness to upgrade the offense if they can point to Cespedes as an "addition". But there is insurance. And it covers just under 75% of his salary. So here, it benefits them if Cespedes isn't ready. So they're likely keeping silent in case they end up in an insurance dispute later on. Either with the insurance company or the player. Here's what I think happened. Jeff: Hey, no one give any public statements on Cespedes until further notice. All Mets Employees: Ok. Endy (forgetting): Hey check out this cool video of Yo hitting! Jeff: Endy, you fucking idiot! Did you not hear me say no updates on Cespedes? Endy: But I didn't say anything, it was just a video... Jeff: Are you kidding me? Endy: Sorry Jeff. Endy (to himself): Jeff seemed really mad. I guess I should take the video down. Jeff: DID YOU TAKE THE VIDEO DOWN? MORON. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE HIDING SOMETHING. Endy: But we are hiding something... Scene

Edgy MD Nov 20 2019 10:20 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I don't know if that happened or didn't happen, but I just want to say, I've spent my whole career playing the part of Endy Chavez in that conversation.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 11:03 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

2018 Typewriter Chewing Gum, Mets Total Team Set - Code Name: Puppet, Pauper, Pirate, Poet, Pawn, King https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49096249647_d374abfa8c_c.jpg>

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2019 11:37 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

whoa a new set!

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 11:43 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: whoa a new set! Old set. 2018. So last year. It's just that I don't think I've ever posted any of those.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 11:47 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 20 2019 11:59 AM

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: whoa a new set! Old set. 2018. So last year. It's just that I don't think I've ever posted any of those. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095764133_6690413c57_c.jpg> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095821518_df33219c68_c.jpg>

Ceetar Nov 20 2019 11:54 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

ignoring, not providing, and being vague and unhelpful about injuries and injury updates has been the norm for a while now. Your bit about them wanting to cover themselves in case they need to prove themselves may be why they took the video down, though again it's still dumb because it's not like they can deny it exists. It continuing to exist on Endy's insta doesn't really matter. Of course, the simplest answer may be the correct one. They don't want to provide medical/injury updates. They want to discourage people asking for this stuff. And a video just prompts phone calls and texts. This could be from the Mets, or hell, it could be from Cespedes who also doesn't seem to want to answer said questions. There's no way the correct answer is that it's a subtle dig at the media's narrative that Yo is MIA and lazy. Here's video of him clearly working out, at the Mets complex, but we're taking it down and pretending it didn't happen. You all know it happened so you continuing to write about how the Mets have no idea what he's doing continues to be nonsense, but we're going to still ignore you when you ask for updates. Of course, if anyone on the MetsBeat really cared enough, it can't be hard to get a quote from someone with Barwis' group. That's probably where the paper headline quote comes from.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2019 11:58 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I really love the Puppet, Pauper, Pirate, Poet, Pawn, King set and want to collect them all

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 12:02 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I really love the Puppet, Pauper, Pirate, Poet, Pawn, King set and want to collect them all I dunno what to say. Those were on sale at a store near you last year. Where were you? Plus, I don't wanna hijack this thread like the I Give Up thread which wasn't really a hijack anyways, but still, I'm positive there's one poster here that's gonna go all what's Gary Carter's ass doing on third base on me if I keep this up. Pick a 2018 Met. Any 2018 Met.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2019 12:19 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Zimmo No wait, Rosario Zimmo AND Rosario. And d'Arnaud

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 12:21 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Zimmo No wait, Rosario Zimmo AND Rosario. And d'Arnaud I can't believe you asked for Amed. It's a total Mets team set but there's two Mets I never got around to doing. Rosario and Matz. So I'll give you an Amed replacement. An insert card.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2019 12:29 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Zimmo No wait, Rosario Zimmo AND Rosario. And d'Arnaud I can't believe you asked for Amed. It's a total Mets team set but there's two Mets I never got around to doing. Rosario and Matz. So I'll give you an Amed replacement. An insert card. The Nimmo card has the most and the richest color of all the cards in the set. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49096656412_e6a4fd0fde_c.jpg> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095951023_07c50be8c1_c.jpg> Plus two insert -- non-base -- cards. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095951053_b0e05d6e0b_c.jpg> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49096656577_b0bc4f9ace_c.jpg>

kcmets Nov 20 2019 12:37 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Didn't pre-sale ticket promos start yesterday or Mon? If the Mets were all gushy about the Yo story, a lot of people would be going all nutty that the Mets are trying to sell tickets already! No one knows what's what with him it's not even Turkey Day. Conspiracy about cover ups and insurance money is pretty laughable. The Wilpons suck, but jeez already. This ain't DC and your government we're talking about here.

dgwphotography Nov 20 2019 01:18 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Um, those didn't look like the healthiest steps ever taken at the end of that video

seawolf17 Nov 20 2019 02:05 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=dgwphotography post_id=26874 time=1574281119 user_id=78] Um, those didn't look like the healthiest steps ever taken at the end of that video

It's fine. He'll just DH.

kcmets Nov 20 2019 02:14 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=seawolf17 post_id=26876 time=1574283938 user_id=91]It's fine. He'll just DH.

In July. In the AL East.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 20 2019 02:52 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=kcmets post_id=26878 time=1574284444 user_id=53] =seawolf17 post_id=26876 time=1574283938 user_id=91]It's fine. He'll just DH.

In July. In the AL East.


Yeah, I feel like he should start over in Baltimore, and will hit 44 home runs for them. Not sure we'd get much of anything in a trade but a little salary relief.

bmfc1 Dec 13 2019 02:27 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

This could be interesting: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1205598295655141376 It's interesting if the $ saved from the '20 payroll is used for new players, such as Betances and Will Harris. It's uninteresting if the $ saved from the '20 payroll is merely recaptured by the Wilpons.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 13 2019 03:00 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Now let's trade him to Baltimore where he'll hit 44 home runs https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1205607761054179328

A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2019 03:03 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Holy shit, this is wild! Would love to hear the details of how this all went down.

kcmets Dec 13 2019 03:18 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Probably broke some contractual clause(s) and didn't have an ankle to stand on. What's most interesting is how things are kept under wraps these days.

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 03:21 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year. Wonder if we'll get more details on that, or his prognosis now that everyone's on the same page, legally speaking.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 13 2019 03:32 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

They say he can make back some but not all of $$ thru performance bonuses. He should definitely juice his way back, get called on it, then argue its the mets who deserve punishment

kcmets Dec 13 2019 03:34 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I don't recall such insinuations here, dude obviously something wrong.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2019 03:43 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

How many of you are as amazed as I am that this didn't leak one way or another last season? Sounds like the Mets knew he was full of shit about stepping in a hole but couldn't quite prove it. Whatever they had was enough for Ces to buckle and not get dragged in the court of public opinion. Trying to think of reasons why Cespedes agrees to this unless they have some kinda goods on him.

Lefty Specialist Dec 13 2019 03:52 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=kcmets post_id=28409 time=1576275516 user_id=53] Probably broke some contractual clause(s) and didn't have an ankle to stand on. What's most interesting is how things are kept under wraps these days.

Yeah, there was a lot going on here that we had no idea about. Cespedes must have been caught red-handed horsing around (pun intended).

Edgy MD Dec 13 2019 04:32 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2019 04:37 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

http://ultimatemets.com/covers/2019/20190521_NYP_02.jpg>

batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2019 04:47 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Ceetar post_id=28410 time=1576275660 user_id=102] people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year.

Ohferrchrissakes! Yoenis is a sweet little angel who could not have possibly breached his contract because Mets can do no wrong ever. And Fred Willpon didnt screw Yoenis out of contract money because Mets owners can do no wrong ever, either. This is a crazy clash of unbelievable events that is likely to alter the space time continuum just like The Doc always sez. Fasten your seatbelts.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2019 04:51 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs. They probably have strong medical evidence that Yoenis could not have possibly reinjured himself the way he claims he did. Not likely that the Mets have eyewitness evidence.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 13 2019 05:06 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

It turns out you can make this stuff up. What a disaster

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 05:23 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year. Ohferrchrissakes! Yoenis is a sweet little angel who could not have possibly breached his contract because Mets can do no wrong ever. And Fred Willpon didnt screw Yoenis out of contract money because Mets owners can do no wrong ever, either. This is a crazy clash of unbelievable events that is likely to alter the space time continuum just like The Doc always sez. Fasten your seatbelts. no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it. Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab. This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided. Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2019 05:36 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

people too busy insinuating that Cespedes wasn't trying to get back in 2019 because he's lazy, despite not being paid all year. Ohferrchrissakes! Yoenis is a sweet little angel who could not have possibly breached his contract because Mets can do no wrong ever. And Fred Willpon didnt screw Yoenis out of contract money because Mets owners can do no wrong ever, either. This is a crazy clash of unbelievable events that is likely to alter the space time continuum just like The Doc always sez. Fasten your seatbelts. no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it. Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab. This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided. Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT. He's obligated to provide the Mets with his medical records, probably whenever the Mets want them. You think the Mets are gonna pay Yoenis a king's fortune to play a sport and not know his state of health? What's the matter with you?

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 05:41 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

He's a human not a slave

batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2019 05:52 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Ceetar post_id=28425 time=1576284072 user_id=102] He's a human not a slave

He was owed almost $30M. Some slave. Yeah, that's the ticket. Baseball owners are supposed to be kept totally in the dark about their players' health. This is getting really stupid, now.

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 05:58 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

We have laws on this country you know. Barely, but still. Your employer does not have that right.

Gwreck Dec 13 2019 06:02 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. Sure, if they think he was doing stunt jumps in a thunderstorm or playing Misery with a friend, I get it. Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab. This is mildly better than voiding a contract for "going to the wrong doctors" but damn, it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. Or using the wrong trainer. Or hell, the trainer said take it easy and you did an extra rep and strained your hamstring. oops, voided. No. Obviously there are not many details publicly known but a. The Mets cannot “void” a contract; b. people can agree to any number of things in a contract, including prohibitions on any number of activities; c. Your comment has tons of assumptions that you have no idea whether they are true or not. If Céspedes agreed to renegotiate a contract in the face of a grievance filed by the Mets (which is what was reported), then a fair inference is that Cespedes did not have the greatest bargaining power and/or faced a real chance of losing that grievance. Why he was in that position is of course still speculation. Your comment remains wildly inaccurate.

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 06:13 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

a. the Mets literally just stopped paying him. b. sure, and that's mostly unfair. These contracts are almost always, except for the actual salary, in favor of protecting ownership. It's the same way in any industry. If they weaseled a "no horse riding" thing into the contract and Cespedes and his agent didn't feel like fighting it (Let's leave aside that that agent is literally the one that's not paying him now) that doesn't make it fair or alright. Signing your rights away is not cool. Especially for something as tame as horse riding. Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch. c. Yes, lots of assumptions, but they're pretty damn safe assumptions.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2019 06:42 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 13 2019 07:21 PM

no, fuck that. This is Cespedes money and he shouldn't have to give it up for a fucking accident. If it was an accident caused by him doing something that his contract specifically prohibited his from doing then, yeah, he might have to give up some or all of it. This is literally "you got cancer so we're canceling your insurance" territory. It's not only "literally" not that, it isn't remotely close to that. It's much closer to: We will pay you X amount to play baseball for this time period and will continue to do so even if you get hurt unless you get hurt while hang gliding ... and then you get hurt going hang gliding!! Hell, if they do HAVE medical evidence that it was more than just what he said, it was probably voluntarily given to them by Cespedes under the guise of them helping him heal and rehab. Maybe, maybe not. Aaron Boone voluntarily offered that he blew out his knee (leading to the complete canceling of his contract and later the ARod trade to NYY) while playing pickup basketball, an activity almost universally prohibited in sports contracts including for basketball players. Others have not been so forthcoming. I remember Jeff Kent telling the Astros his injury occurred after he slipped while washing his truck. Turned out that the truth was slightly different: he crashed while doing wheelies on his motorcycle. ... it's a slippery slope to teams voiding your contract for simply getting hurt in any way off the field. That implies that a team can simply decide to do so unilaterally and that getting hurt "in any way" can be used as justification. But any attempt to do so would involve the CBA, the MLBPA, insurers, agents, lawyers, grievance processes, arbitration, and/or courts of law. This sounds like it may have been a negotiated settlement between the two parties in lieu of taking it to any of that apparatus. Whlie we're at it, his money shouldn't count against the CBT, there shouldn't be a CBT, and the Mets shouldn't care about the CBT. I have no idea what the CBT is although I've preemptively eliminated the Connecticut Bank and Trust.

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 07:15 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

competitive balance tax. riding a horse, if that's what we're inferring I guess, I can't even imagine what else we could be thinking. Does he run with the bulls on his ranch? was he fixing a fence? He was literally at his house. Which is where most accidents happen, but still, like, did the Mets make a guy who owns horses sign a contract that he wouldn't ride a horse on his own private property? Riding a horse isn't an inherently dangerous thing.

LWFS Dec 13 2019 08:54 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries. I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that. Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch. "Does it?" -Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others

batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2019 12:14 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries. I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that. Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch. "Does it?" -Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others Horses are inherently dangerous, especially because they can be unpredictable. They're enormously powerful beasts and they can easily --and I really mean easily-- kill a person with just one kick. And if they don't kill you with that kick, they can destroy your bones as easy as you and I can snap apart a set of chopsticks.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2019 12:32 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

You know people get killed being thrown or falling from horses? Like, a LOT. (Something like 1 serious, life-threatening injury every 300 hours riding.) Never mind fractures, ligament tears and crush injuries. I'm all about employee rights in the face of unreasonable employer demands... but this isn't that. Sure, maybe he did something super dangerous, but that seems less likely on his own ranch. "Does it?" -Jayson Williams, Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Kent, Jason Pierre-Paul, and various others Horses are inherently dangerous, especially because they can be unpredictable. They're enormously powerful beasts and they can easily --and I really mean easily-- kill a person with just one kick. And if they don't kill you with that kick, they can destroy your bones as easy as you and I can snap apart a set of chopsticks. I just thought of this, too: not only is Yoenis obligated to provide the Mets with his medical records unconditionally under his regular MLB contract, as I already said, -- but in addition, there's surely a clause in the insurance contract the Mets took out on Cespedes that's been kicking in -- obligating Cespedes to also provide the insurer with his medical records as well. Yoenis had to sign that insurance contract, or else the Mets wouldn't have given him the underlying contract in the first place. Or if Yoenis didn't sign that insurance agreement, that's likely because there would already be a clause in his regular MLB contract obligating him to provide his medical records to an insurer in connection with any insurance agreement related to his MLB contract. An insurer isn't gonna pay out for injuries without examining the relevant medical records. That's just crazy talk -- that Cespedes would sign a $110M contract that the owners would then insure, but neither the owners or the insurer should be allowed access to Cespedes's medical records.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2019 08:50 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the Mets probably have a co-plaintiff in the insurance carrier, and those guys investigate the hell out of multi-million-dollar payoffs. They probably have strong medical evidence that Yoenis could not have possibly reinjured himself the way he claims he did. Not likely that the Mets have eyewitness evidence. Yeah, I mean to suggest medical investigation as much as or more than the gumshoe kind. What did I miss? Does Yoenis Céspedes have cancer or not?

Centerfield Dec 14 2019 12:40 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

In retrospect, if we didn't want him riding horses, maybe his ranch wasn't the best place for him to hang out.

Centerfield Dec 14 2019 12:42 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Also. Didn't he come to spring training once riding his horse? I guess it's not cute anymore.

dgwphotography Dec 19 2019 01:52 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

LOL.... https://twitter.com/markchealey/status/1207758220179189760?s=21

batmagadanleadoff Dec 19 2019 01:58 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Teams are asking about Yoenis. Do I see a classic Wilpon salary dump here with maybe, an unremarkable minor league reliever thrown the Mets way?

bmfc1 Dec 19 2019 02:58 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 19 2019 03:01 PM

https://twitter.com/MikeSilvaMedia/status/1207668201296998400 I plan on spending a night with Diletta Liotta [url]https://www.instagram.com/dilettaleotta/?hl=en but that's not going to happen, either.

kcmets Dec 19 2019 03:00 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

34, damaged goods and delusional. Sounds like a keeper to me.

Frayed Knot Dec 19 2019 06:46 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

So while the Player's Assoc was in on the Mets/Cespedes negotiations, they're filing a suit against the Yanx who are trying to get out of paying Jacoby Ellsbury in the final year of his deal - which certainly makes it seem like the union is saying that there was more evidence of player liability in the Yoenis case than there is with Ellsbury. The Yanx are claiming that Ellsbury sought "unauthorized treatment" sometime over the last year or so and therefore they want to convert the final year of his deal into a 'non-guaranteed' state. iow: they want to pay him NONE of it but they're going to have a fight on their hands before they can do so.

Ceetar Dec 19 2019 10:36 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

Centerfield Dec 20 2019 08:56 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Ceetar post_id=28688 time=1576820219 user_id=102] I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

I'd be willing to bet it has nothing to do with that.

Ceetar Dec 20 2019 09:31 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Centerfield post_id=28699 time=1576857374 user_id=65] =Ceetar post_id=28688 time=1576820219 user_id=102] I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

I'd be willing to bet it has nothing to do with that.




Sure, because it's not like the Players Association doesn't wait until you 'make it' and prove you're going to make money to give a shit about you? Why would it be different on the other side?

kcmets Dec 20 2019 09:33 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

If the plan is to eventually move Yoenis, my guess is it would be in July and not January. BwdIk?

Lefty Specialist Dec 20 2019 12:49 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Cespedes' value is minimal until he proves he can, you know, actually play the game again. Trading him now you'd get nothing for him in return. I'm OK with seeing if he's got anything left. I'm guessing he'll only be able to play half the time, leaving plenty of AB's for JD Davis, and either way having a power bat off the bench. If it looks like Cespedes can't play the field with any regularity, you gear up to trade him to the AL to DH and take what you can get.

Edgy MD Dec 20 2019 02:04 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I bet they can get Mo Vaughn for him. My prediction is something akin to Moisés Alou's Met days. Partial season, still able to wreck it with the bat, but looking at all times like a guy who shouldn't be on his feet. 70 games, .291 10 homers, 33 RBI. If they're going to trade him, I don't necessarily mind selling low. As much damage as the guy can do, I have more confidence right now in Dominic Davis as my left fielder. It'll be like Shamsky and Swoboda in right in 1969 with Marisnick playing the part of Gaspar. Or something.

Lefty Specialist Dec 20 2019 02:19 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

If those legs are serviceable (a big if), he could hit 20 in part-time duty and be a weapon off the bench. He'll be motivated after taking that massive pay cut, and restructuring it to provide incentives was well done. Spring training will be the test. If he looks at least competent in the field, then he's an asset- remember he's still got a cannon for an arm. He'll hit; remember the last time we saw him he came back after a few weeks off, played one game against the Yankees and homered, then went on the DL for a year and a half. So if he's able to make it to the plate, he'll hit.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2019 02:48 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury. I'd be willing to bet it has nothing to do with that. Sure, because it's not like the Players Association doesn't wait until you 'make it' and prove you're going to make money to give a shit about you? Why would it be different on the other side? This is absurd. Like the association's go-to move is to tell players to cast aside 20 million previously negotiated bucks since they'll have the chance to maybe get it back later. Look, both Cespedes & Ellsbury are essentially in the same boat: both have "made it" - as in millions of dollars for their careers, but they're also 34 & 36 y/o, coming off multiple seasons of missed time, and aren't guaranteed a fucking dime past this season. The logical conclusion is that the facts and circumstances in one case aren't the same as in the other. - The union worked w/YC during his arbitration process with the Mets presumably to get him some of his 2019 money (about 1/3?) plus the chance to make more of it back via incentive clauses in 2020 - In Ellsbury's case there is no question about an injury, only in the Yanx trying to make the entire final year of his contract disappear over "unauthorized treatment" which the other party denies even happened. Also probably doesn't help that the MFY seemingly try to pull this act more than anyone else, particularly when one of their high-priced signings goes south -- ARod & Giambi, plus various foreign players about whom the team shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that there might be an age discrepancy only after said player doesn't turn out to be what their genius system projected.

smg58 Dec 20 2019 04:15 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I figure that the Yankees realized that Ellsbury was willing/able to play this year, which meant that insurance wouldn't cover any of his salary, so they tried something desperate. Like I said in a different thread, voiding the contract over unauthorized treatment only makes sense if Ellsbury's actions made him lose more time (like Cespedes' actions did). So Cespedes basically flushed 35 million dollars down the toilet by doing something he had to know his contract didn't allow. (That or his agent at the time was comically incompetent, but we'll stick with the former for sanity's sake.) I realize he still has plenty of money, but Jesus Christ he flushed 35 million dollars down the toilet. I don't see Cespedes playing any place other than DH, although I suspect he's healthy enough to do that much. If an AL wants him for his current price, I see no reason not to talk trade.

Ceetar Dec 20 2019 08:46 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I still haven't seen any convincing argument for why he wouldn't have recovered from his surgery.

kcmets Dec 20 2019 09:12 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Surgery X2, plus the 'gopher hole' incident.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2019 01:45 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Ceetar post_id=28742 time=1576899964 user_id=102] I still haven't seen any convincing argument for why he wouldn't have recovered from his surgery.

I didn't know that was the question we were discussing.



But, if so: Recovering from surgery and being the same ballplayer you were prior to it, with two full years missed in between, aren't the same thing.

He MIGHT look like the same guy come April ... but there's a difference between hoping for it and counting on it.

ashie62 Dec 23 2019 03:48 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Same medical issue as Troy Tulowitzki, same result expected from Cespedes

kcmets Dec 23 2019 04:52 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=ashie62 post_id=28925 time=1577141336 user_id=90]Same medical issue as Troy Tulowitzki, same result expected from Cespedes

Not to go out on a limb here, but no one in the history of baseball has had the

medical issues that Ces has managed to ring up.

Frayed Knot Dec 28 2019 02:03 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Jose Sherman talks about players who have had big HR years following a long amount of missed time -- for suspensions, for retirements, for injuries -- as a basis of comparison to what Cespedes is trying to do (and is already talking about doing).

whippoorwill Dec 28 2019 03:02 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I hope he can make a big comeback

batmagadanleadoff Dec 28 2019 03:08 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Frayed Knot wrote: Jose Sherman talks about players who have had big HR years following a long amount of missed time -- for suspensions, for retirements, for injuries -- as a basis of comparison to what Cespedes is trying to do (and is already talking about doing). Also, Tony Conigliaro came back after missing a season and a half to hit 20 and then 36 HR's in his first seasons back from his famous beaming. Tony was a lot younger, though.

G-Fafif Jan 03 2020 04:40 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Whoever had “trying to tame wild boar” wins the pot. https://nypost.com/2020/01/03/yoenis-cespedes-ankle-fractures-came-during-incident-with-wild-boar/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

kcmets Jan 03 2020 05:01 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 03 2020 06:11 PM

Tabloid Cover Derby (TCDX) is up 4.7% in after-hours trading.

Frayed Knot Jan 03 2020 05:30 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=G-Fafif post_id=29246 time=1578094819 user_id=55] Whoever had “trying to tame wild boar” wins the pot.

Damn, that was my second choice!

whippoorwill Jan 03 2020 06:46 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I'm starting to wonder if baseball is his first choice of pastime

Fman99 Jan 03 2020 06:53 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

We use the phrase "tame the wild boar" upstairs, in the boudoir.

Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2020 07:13 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I root for the weirdest fucking team in baseball. I swear to God.

G-Fafif Jan 03 2020 07:32 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Tabloid Cover Derby (TCDX) is up 4.7% in after-hours trading. https://twitter.com/metsbackpage1/status/1213286275148636167?s=21

kcmets Jan 03 2020 07:34 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Lmfao!

Edgy MD Jan 03 2020 08:10 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

“trying to tame wild boar” I used to have a girlfriend who called it that. Of course, the next obvious question is, if it was so morally neutral as all that, why has that detail been embargoed for six months? [fimg=500]https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/Oik7n1RjOqqc_8nHd/x1080[/fimg]

bmfc1 Jan 03 2020 08:47 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

From The Post's article: [BLOCKQUOTE]Kyle Thousand, Cespedes' agent, declined comment to The Post on Friday afternoon.[/BLOCKQUOTE] That's a real name?

G-Fafif Jan 03 2020 08:51 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=bmfc1 post_id=29268 time=1578109623 user_id=73] From The Post's article: [BLOCKQUOTE]Kyle Thousand, Cespedes' agent, declined comment to The Post on Friday afternoon.[/BLOCKQUOTE] That's a real name?

Did middays on Magic 95 in Akron.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2020 06:00 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

"I can personally attest that Kyle Thousand is a real name of a respected baseball agent." — Bean Stringfellow

RealityChuck Jan 04 2020 09:43 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Edgy MD wrote: “trying to tame wild boar” I used to have a girlfriend who called it that. Of course, the next obvious question is, if it was so morally neutral as all that, why has that detail been embargoed for six months? [fimg=500]https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/Oik7n1RjOqqc_8nHd/x1080[/fimg] Embarrassment.

LWFS Jan 04 2020 10:25 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

But, like, it's maybe the best detail! Not, like, of this story, I mean. Like, it's perhaps the best conceivable detail of almost any conceivable unfortunate situation.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2020 06:20 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Also, any cover with Céspedes in a Western shirt gets an automatic bye into the semi-finals.

smg58 Jan 06 2020 07:35 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Laughing to keep from crying. Because politics apparently wasn't making me do enough of that.

Ceetar Feb 06 2020 07:56 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/B8OprXhHm2_/

kcmets Feb 06 2020 09:42 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I don't have speakers on the computer I'm on but he looks fantastic.

Ceetar Feb 06 2020 10:05 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

it's mostly negative media quotes and then switches to him saying he thinks he can hit his number this year. (52)

bmfc1 Feb 06 2020 10:59 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Since you didn't hear the audio, Yo speaks for a few minutes on the outstanding work of the House Managers and hopes that everyone will vote in November. He then vows to donate 10% of his salary to the Democrats' candidate no matter who it is.

kcmets Feb 06 2020 11:07 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=bmfc1 post_id=31190 time=1581011968 user_id=73] Since you didn't hear the audio, Yo speaks for a few minutes on the outstanding work of the House Managers and hopes that everyone will vote in November. He then vows to donate 10% of his salary to the Democrats' candidate no matter who it is.

Gotta love the Yo', who doesn't love the Yo', everyone loves the Yo'.

Edgy MD Feb 06 2020 12:44 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I thought it was a representative of his saying he thinks he can hit his number. And clearly, the production comes from his representatives. I hate my representatives. I don't even think they have an A/V department.

Ceetar Feb 06 2020 12:56 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Edgy MD wrote: I thought it was a representative of his saying he thinks he can hit his number. And clearly, the production comes from his representatives. I hate my representatives. I don't even think they have an A/V department. he was speaking on behalf of Yoenis though. "He feels that with the way the ball is .. etc etc that he can hit his number"

Edgy MD Feb 06 2020 01:11 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

When you record my representatives, they say stuff like, "Edgy is really confident that this year ... that he'll remember his number." Assholes. Every last one of them.

Ceetar Feb 06 2020 01:16 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

I think my representatives are all drunk personally.

LWFS Feb 06 2020 06:42 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

"Our guy's hit his number several times," LWFS' representatives asserted. "This time, he's eating his way past it in the best pace of his life." [What the hell am I even paying these guys for, really?]

G-Fafif Feb 23 2020 10:09 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Yo speaks after Yo says he'll say nothing. https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/02/23/yoenis-cespedes-speaks-out-return-ny-mets-2020/4832656002/

ashie62 Feb 26 2020 05:18 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Ces may be ready in some form by opening day. Wow! What a walk year can do Good for the Mets Shake Shack will be serving boar

Ceetar Feb 26 2020 07:19 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=ashie62 post_id=32333 time=1582719483 user_id=90] Ces may be ready in some form by opening day. Wow! What a walk year can do

you misspelled 'modern medicine'

Centerfield Feb 26 2020 08:28 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Are we doing predictions yet? .450 BA 76 HRs 400 RBI. He'll throw out a runner at home softball style and catch a ball behind his back. I'm so ready for the Cespedes comeback. (all kidding aside, I hope he gets 400 ABs)

kcmets Mar 05 2020 08:12 AM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Ok, so strike all my comments in this thread and my official 2020V prediction is he starts some games in late April (but not two in a row) and gets back to 'normal' in May and then suffers a non-prairie animal related injury that lingers all year.

MFS62 Mar 05 2020 01:45 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

A walk year performance of .285-33-106. Later

Centerfield Mar 05 2020 04:06 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

=Centerfield post_id=32347 time=1582730902 user_id=65] Are we doing predictions yet? .450 BA 76 HRs 400 RBI. He'll throw out a runner at home softball style and catch a ball behind his back. I'm so ready for the Cespedes comeback. (all kidding aside, I hope he gets 400 ABs)

All kidding aside. .256/.331/.511. 24 HRs 83 RBI.

ashie62 Mar 14 2020 02:44 PM Re: 2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

Uh, Ces has not appeared in any spring game as of yet? I am lost on how Lowrie is doing at this point also