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Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 01:15 PM Beltran It Is

There's almost a Trumpian strain of erasing the Alderson Era among the Wilpons isn't there?

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 01:15 PM

The New Mets, indeed.

Centerfield Nov 01 2019 01:16 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

El esta aqui!!!!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 01:17 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I don't like it, Gar.

HahnSolo Nov 01 2019 01:18 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Official? I only see that guys on twitter are saying Sid Rosenberg broke the story. And well, he's not the most reliable source.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 01:18 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

DiComo and Rosenthal have confirmed. That's official enough for a Friday afternoon.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 01:19 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Beltran is already the best manager the Mets have had since Terry Collins.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2019 01:22 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

If he works hard to get in shape, they can activate him in September.

Centerfield Nov 01 2019 01:28 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

To be honest, I can't imagine a scenario where this ends well. He won't get the talent he needs to win, and the Wilpons will throw him under the bus at the end of it all. But for today, I am thrilled that Carlos Beltran will once again be a Met. Welcome back Carlos. The Mets are that much classier today just with his presence.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 01:29 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

All managers are a disaster in waiting but this one looks especially precarious. Is this a stealth rehiring of Terry, only without the things that made Terry attractive (OK game management, good relationship with the writers)? How committed will Beltran really be with all the $$ he's got? When things get tough, and they will, is this a guy who's going to hangin there? What if Terry and Beltran don't get along? This smells like a stinky-ass compromise from miles away

Gwreck Nov 01 2019 01:29 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Centerfield is wise.

Willets Point Nov 01 2019 01:32 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

A younger retired ballplayer from Puerto Rico taking on his first managing job? It worked for the Red Sox! Welcome back to the Mets, Carlos Beltran!

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2019 01:35 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Vanis takee!

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2019 01:43 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=HahnSolo post_id=25727 time=1572635882 user_id=63] Official? I only see that guys on twitter are saying Sid Rosenberg broke the story. And well, he's not the most reliable source.

What? Sid was a great source of mine for many years, I used to buy all kinds of shit from him and ...



On wait, you were talking about an information source ... never mind then.

seawolf17 Nov 01 2019 01:43 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Vanis takee! Exactly what I came here to post!

41Forever Nov 01 2019 01:51 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I'm surprised, but OK. I'm assuming they will get him a solid bench coach. I do think they'll give him players to win, and the Mets have a solid foundation in place. Excited for the upcoming season!

Lefty Specialist Nov 01 2019 01:56 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Not sure about this. I feel like it'll either go well or flame out spectacularly- nothing in between. I like that he asked for Terry to be a bench coach; he'll need an old baseball guy to lean on and Collins has familiarity with all the players.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 02:22 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Well if the ship won't sail without Terry, why did they fire him in the first place? It's not like Callaway was better. And so then why don't they just re-hire Terry? The players love him. So there's at least that. I could live with Terry. It's not like the Mets hadn't hired a dynamic manager in more than 20 years. Oh wait ... they haven't.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 02:26 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=25752 time=1572639745 user_id=68] Well if the ship won't sail without Terry, why did they fire him in the first place? It's not like Callaway was better. And so then why don't they just re-hire Terry? The players love him. So there's at least that. I could live with Terry. It's not like the Mets hadn't hired a dynamic manager in more than 20 years. Oh wait ... they haven't.

Oh this is great. An organization that makes mince meat out of every manager they hire and a new manager with zero experience and so much godamn money that he hasn't had to realistically worry about his finances in almost 20 years.

whippoorwill Nov 01 2019 02:28 PM Re: Beltran It Is

Yay!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 02:47 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Well if the ship won't sail without Terry, why did they fire him in the first place? Alderson fired Terry; the Mets fired Alderson. And the club has been erasing his legacy at every turn ever since. First they hamstrung him by hiring all "new" senior advisors to tell Fred what he wanted to hear (Omar); then they starved him for resources; then they found an excuse to let him go (cancer, plus the rotten performance of the only guys he could afford to sign like Bruce and Walker) then they give away practically every decent prospect he acquired for a releif pitcher and a guy they think is going to sell more tickets.

Vic Sage Nov 01 2019 02:54 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Has Beltran ever managed so much as a little league team? has he ever coached? i didn't think so. i'm sure this will turn out well. after all, what could go wrong?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 02:59 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Well if the ship won't sail without Terry, why did they fire him in the first place? Alderson fired Terry; the Mets fired Alderson. And the club has been erasing his legacy at every turn ever since. First they hamstrung him by hiring all "new" senior advisors to tell Fred what he wanted to hear (Omar); then they starved him for resources; then they found an excuse to let him go (cancer, plus the rotten performance of the only guys he could afford to sign like Bruce and Walker) then they give away practically every decent prospect he acquired for a releif pitcher and a guy they think is going to sell more tickets. So if Terry is Sandy's guy and everything Sandy must be purged, so then why is Terry even back?

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 03:06 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

No, Terry is Fred's guy. Fred loves "white haired baseball men"

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 03:09 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: No, Terry is Fred's guy. Fred loves "white haired baseball men" That's right. So this is more of the Wilpons being the Wilpons.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 03:12 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: No, Terry is Fred's guy. Fred loves "white haired baseball men" That's right. So this is more of the Wilpons being the Wilpons. This team wouldn't hire Earl Weaver even if Weaver was willing to work for free. (And please, no "but he's dead" jokes.)

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2019 03:18 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: No, Terry is Fred's guy. Fred loves "white haired baseball men" That's right. So this is more of the Wilpons being the Wilpons. This team wouldn't hire Earl Weaver even if Weaver was willing to work for free. (And please, no "but he's dead" jokes.) So let me sum up my feelings on this managerial hire - it might turn out to be the greatest managerial hire in Mets history even though that's a pretty nebulous thing to say because you could say that about any new manager. But based upon what I know, (and maybe I don't know much) it's a fucking disaster in the making. Of course, with the Wilpons running things, you could say that any managerial hire is doomed to be a fucking disaster. This is so much like the BVW hire. I guess we're really into the Jeff Wilpon era, with eff daddy taking an ever-diminishing role due to age.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2019 03:22 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Terry is the closest thing to a holdover from Beltran's last season with the Mets. If Ruben Tejada stuck last season, he would have brought a taste of 2011, but nope. Where's Brad Emaus?

dinosaur jesus Nov 01 2019 03:24 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

One of the many reasons this is an interesting and surprising choice: there are very few successful managers who were star outfielders. The only one in the top fifty in wins is Dusty Baker, at 19th; Frank Robinson is 56th. It's pretty rare, in fact, for stars at any position to make it as managers. I'm curious why the Mets think Beltran can be an exception.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 03:26 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Edgy MD wrote: Where's Brad Emaus? I was just having lunch with him and Captain Tuttle.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2019 03:36 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

dinosaur jesus wrote: One of the many reasons this is an interesting and surprising choice: there are very few successful managers who were star outfielders. The only one in the top fifty in wins is Dusty Baker, at 19th; Frank Robinson is 56th. It's pretty rare, in fact, for stars at any position to make it as managers. I'm curious why the Mets think Beltran can be an exception. Casey Stengel was a borderline star outfielder. OE: I guess I'd put Lupa Nella in that category also.

Ceetar Nov 01 2019 05:07 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Love it, Beltran is awesome and smart and respected. He's got a sense of humor. He's willing to admit when he's wrong, willing to change. He's also willful and determined to succeed. (I could see that being catnip to Van Wagenen)

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2019 05:22 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Sherman's take (no word yet from Peabody) - once they moved away [me: or were moved away on] from the 'Safe Choice' of Girardi it became a question of risk vs upside. This choice is likely higher on both. - marks another step in the BVW era [think the Diaz/Cano and Stroman deals] of being 'bold', of shunning any outside noise and sticking to his 'process' - Carlos grew better as the rounds of interviews went on - he was a "low-pulse/high-intelligence' player; other players 'gravitate' to his knowledge & persona - bilingual, was a star, lives in NY, positive relationship with reporters - this choice shows the Mets to be less concerned with public and/or media feedback than prior history indicates

Mex17 Nov 01 2019 05:43 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 01 2019 05:49 PM

I. HATE. THIS. I am not naïve enough to not realize that this is a trend going on in MLB, but I don't agree with the trend. Whatever happened to working your way up the chain? Slowly, diligently, and methodically, picking up wisdom and hard earned lessons as you go? Bogar is a 3x minor league manager of the year with extensive experience in the majors as a coach. Shelton has a winning record as a minor league manager and tons of coaching experience in The Show. Perez has managed in the Puerto Rican Winter Leagues and the WBC. The Braves and the Cardinals both made the playoffs this year with guys who paid their dues in their respective systems. This sort of thing is an insult to guys like that.

Ceetar Nov 01 2019 05:46 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

boo hoo. I don't need any of this gate-keeping. There's no "right way" to become a manager.

RealityChuck Nov 01 2019 05:55 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

The team just tweeted it was official. Beltran has a lot of strengths and weaknesses: Strengths Known to be a smart baseball man. Knows the NYC media frenzy. Bilingual Connection with the team. He wanted the job more.* Weaknesses Obviously, no managerial experience. Terry Collins will help if he's bench coach.** Note, too, that none of the names (after Gerardi) had any great experience as a manager. Superstars don't often make good managers. Perceived weaknesses He didn't swing. He wasn't a superstar out of the box when he first signed with them. His first season was only league average and people expected more. Communications. The story when the team first signed him was that he was cold and aloof. But the players didn't find that so: Beltran approached Wright and suggested they work out together, for instance. The press bought into the story. Note, too, that in recent years they've warmed up to him. *The most important factor in a successful hire is how much the person wants the job. **Beltran specifically asked for Collins, and had asked for him when he was interviewing for the Yankees job, too, so don't blame the Wilpons.

Mex17 Nov 01 2019 05:56 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

boo hoo. I don't need any of this gate-keeping. There's no "right way" to become a manager. Great. Let's see what happens when Beltran completely clusterfucks an in-game situation that a seasoned guy has seen 100 times over or gets steamrolled over by the media in a presser. For Pete's sake, we just got done with a pitching coach (not your traditional path either) who batted out of order in a MLB game!!!!

RealityChuck Nov 01 2019 05:56 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

This sort of thing is an insult to guys like that. This sort of thinking is a bigger reason why we can't have good things. See "The Peter Principle."

Lefty Specialist Nov 01 2019 06:55 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

My biggest question about the Beltran hiring is this: Does he still have that gigantic mole on his ear? [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=E7PqoR-6IFU[/YOUTUBE]

Edgy MD Nov 01 2019 07:24 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I believe he does.

Fman99 Nov 01 2019 08:04 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Do we know that TC is the bench coach? That will help me like this move way more if so.

metirish Nov 01 2019 08:10 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Los Mets Funny the various accounts on Twitter claiming who had this first , that's a thing there... Apparently it was Sid Rosenberg As for Beltran, wow , I would have preferred an experienced manager .. but looked like that was never going to happen.. BVW needs to get things right on the field

metirish Nov 01 2019 08:11 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=Fman99 post_id=25797 time=1572660298 user_id=86] Do we know that TC is the bench coach? That will help me like this move way more if so.

I saw on Twitter that TC wasn't asked but would consider it

LWFS Nov 01 2019 08:23 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

The Collins suggestion came from Beltran, as per Tracky. This TOTALLY won't end well, almost certainly almost entirely because it's Wilpon-suffused. But today, I'm toasting. The guy wanted to manage in New York so badly, he opted to return to THIS work environment. You can't say he doesn't know what he's getting into.

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 08:56 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I wonder about the players, there's not many left but significant ones ... Conforto, Syndy, degrom -- who thought or were made to feel, that Collins wasn't right for them. They will likely say the right things, but...

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 09:30 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

What problem did deGrom have with Collins?

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 09:32 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Not a problem with him, but understood the Terry Era was over for a reason.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2019 09:40 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Tanned, rested and Terry — Beltran/Collins 2020!

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 01 2019 09:41 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I'll get on board eventually. This wasn't the plan I'd have had.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2019 10:14 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Met fans' desire for a flaming hothead as a manager must wait a while longer. Do those still exist any more? Tightly wound, ump-baiting, locker-room spread flipping managers? I would think Girardi is as red ass they come anymore, but Carlos was always a cool, calculating cat. The other thing mook Met fans are going to be reminding you of over the next few weeks is Walter Reed Medical Center.

Mex17 Nov 02 2019 04:44 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

This sort of thing is an insult to guys like that. This sort of thinking is a bigger reason why we can't have good things. See "The Peter Principle." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle The Peter Principle validates my viewpoint of this situation. "The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at their job will earn promotion to a more senior position which requires different skills." ". . . skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another." Beltran has superior core competencies as a five-tool player who can play centerfield and anchor a lineup. Those competencies do not necessarily translate to competencies as a manager. Conversely, "minor league manager" and "major league bench coach" require competencies that align much more succinctly to the competencies that are required to be a major league manager. Magic Johnson failed both as Lakers head coach and team president. Pat Riley was a middling at best NBA player. Jim Zorn failed as an NFL head coach. Did Parcells and Belichick even have NFL playing careers? Jeter, to my viewpoint, appears to be failing as Marlins grand poobah. What kind of player was Frank Cashen? Brian Cashman? Branch Rickey?

MFS62 Nov 02 2019 04:54 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

And that is why he wants a bench coach who has the complimentary competencies. Looking for a symbiotic relationship. Later

Mex17 Nov 02 2019 05:00 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=MFS62 post_id=25818 time=1572692044 user_id=60] And that is why he wants a bench coach who has the complimentary competencies. Looking for a symbiotic relationship. Later

But they literally just attempted that and pulled the plug on Callaway/Riggleman.

Mex17 Nov 02 2019 06:15 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

If this were Star Trek, it would be like giving Wesley Crusher command of the Enterprise after Picard was apprehended by the Borg while condescendingly giving Riker a nice pat on the head.

Ceetar Nov 02 2019 08:02 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Edgy MD wrote: Met fans' desire for a flaming hothead as a manager must wait a while longer. Do those still exist any more? Tightly wound, ump-baiting, locker-room spread flipping managers? I would think Girardi is as red ass they come anymore, but Carlos was always a cool, calculating cat. The other thing mook Met fans are going to be reminding you of over the next few weeks is Walter Reed Medical Center. how about the guy the Phillies fired?

Johnny Lunchbucket Nov 02 2019 09:27 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Pretty sure Beltran will be the first Mets manager ever inducted into the Hall of Fame while he's managing. Will make it a difficult task to whack him in that run-up. http://www.mbtn.net/?p=3168

seawolf17 Nov 02 2019 10:03 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Why would you whack a manager who just got into the Hall of Fame AND is coming off his third straight World Series win? That'd be odd.

G-Fafif Nov 02 2019 10:52 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Yogi Berra was inducted into the Hall during his first season as manager, 1972.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2019 11:16 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=LWFS post_id=25801 time=1572661382 user_id=84] This TOTALLY won't end well....

I know whatcha mean even though you can say that about every manager. Because when does it ever end well? When did a manager ever win the World Series and then retire off into the sunset the day after?

Edgy MD Nov 02 2019 01:08 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=Mex17 post_id=25820 time=1572692422 user_id=67] =MFS62 post_id=25818 time=1572692044 user_id=60] And that is why he wants a bench coach who has the complimentary competencies. Looking for a symbiotic relationship. Later

But they literally just attempted that and pulled the plug on Callaway/Riggleman.


The failure of one guy who who hadn't previously managed does not mean all such characters will fail. That just doesn't hold, logically.



And Callaway, having been hired out of another big league dugout, doesn't align with your Peter Principle scenario particularly well at all.



As for the coaches you cite, you're kind of cherry picking there. It isn't hard to find star athletes who later became successful coaches: Lenny Wilkens, Larry Bird, Mike Ditka, Frank Robinson, Diego Maradona.



Many have secure legacies that they don't want to risk diminishing, especially on a job where so much is out of their control. I tip my hat to those who embrace that risk.

G-Fafif Nov 02 2019 01:23 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=25832 time=1572715003 user_id=68] =LWFS post_id=25801 time=1572661382 user_id=84] This TOTALLY won't end well....

I know whatcha mean even though you can say that about every manager. Because when does it ever end well? When did a manager ever win the World Series and then retire off into the sunset the day after?


Tony LaRussa, post-2011.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2019 01:34 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Dick Williams won two in a row for Oakland ('72 & '73) but then walked from a team that was on its way to wining its third straight. Of course Williams wasn't through with managing forever, or even for very long, as he resurfaced (by the end of) the very next season with Anaheim and went on to manage all or parts of 15 more seasons with the Angels, Padres, Expos, and Mariners. He was just through with Charlie Finley.

Mex17 Nov 02 2019 02:00 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Edgy MD wrote: And Callaway, having been hired out of another big league dugout, doesn't align with your Peter Principle scenario particularly well at all. I specifically said "bench coach". Pitching coaches are a different animal. I'm totally revealing my Sci-fi geekdom today, but, as another analogy to go with the Star Trek one that I had earlier, allow me to reference the 2000's version of Battlestar Galactica. In one episode, one of the Battlestars (the one that wasn't Galactica) was at one point down so many senior bridge officers as a result of attrition that the had to turn command to the Chief Engineer who technically held the rank of Commander. In the episode, things got so bad in the heat of battle with the Cylons that Galactica had to transfer over one of their Junior officers who had actual CIC experience to bail the other guy out. The guy had skill sets, just not the right skill sets. His were more micro focused on engineering. That's how I viewed Callaway before and after his tenure. He's a pitching coach. . .important but a totally different thing than guys like Bogar, Perez, or Shelton.

Edgy MD Nov 02 2019 02:16 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Edgy MD wrote: And Callaway, having been hired out of another big league dugout, doesn't align with your Peter Principle scenario particularly well at all. I specifically said "bench coach". Pitching coaches are a different animal. What I specifically didn't write is that he aligns well with a bench coach. He's a different animal either way

G-Fafif Nov 02 2019 02:20 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Danny Murtaugh stepped down after the 1971 Series, taking a front office role. Went back to the dugout when Bill Virdon was fired.

Edgy MD Nov 02 2019 03:35 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Oddly enough, Beltran himself got to go out on top as a player, retiring after winning a championship with the 2017 Astros. But yeah, managers are, by and large, hired to be fired, so "It won't end well" is an easy enough prediction.

G-Fafif Nov 02 2019 03:48 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

No Met managerial tenure has ended well, unless you count the interim managers who returned without vocal complaint to coaching.

Edgy MD Nov 02 2019 05:28 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Terry's was probably the best outcome. He got to retire and retain a role in the organization without up and breaking his hip.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2019 05:43 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Gil Hodges wasn't on the chopping block. Although, admittedly, a fatal heart attack is no great shakes either and is probably less preferable than getting the ax. I wonder how much patience the Mets would've had with Casey had he not fractured his hip and kept on going?

LWFS Nov 02 2019 08:54 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Edgy MD wrote: Oddly enough, Beltran himself got to go out on top as a player, retiring after winning a championship with the 2017 Astros. But yeah, managers are, by and large, hired to be fired, so "It won't end well" is an easy enough prediction. How about "It will end with disgraceful tabloid headlines, secret leaks, and "player sources"... and all after a nominally-successful season?" Is that specific enough? I was being a bit coy. I meant that the Wilpons' heavy hand will contribute to an outcome that doesn't meet expectations, and Beltran will be the scapegoat. Because it's NEVER the fault of the guys who sign the paychecks. I don't pray, but if I did, I'd pray for impotent Wilpons. Because as long as there are children, Lord...

Willets Point Nov 03 2019 11:55 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

A successful manager these days is 90% about the soft skills of making sure all the players feel happy and listened to as well as being the face of the team for the media (and running interference for the players to make them feel happy and listened to when the media is out for blood). I think Beltran is excellent choice under these conditions. The manager as on-field general who has a plan and makes the players listen to him is a thing of the past.

duan Nov 04 2019 03:33 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I'm actually pretty happy with this. I really liked Beltran, he's a smart guy and I don't get worried about the 'not needing the money'.

Mex17 Nov 04 2019 04:09 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

https://nypost.com/2019/11/03/mets-risky-media-obsession-put-carlos-beltran-over-the-top/ Sounds to me that the tail was wagging the dog in this process. Not good. Why don't you just hire the most qualified person that you can get and all this media stuff will just take care of itself when success emanates from experienced hands guiding good process? Are we instead going to be limited only to middling candidates and total shots in the dark who just happened to have passed through this town while potentially great hires are passed over just because they have done their best work in the Midwest?

Ceetar Nov 04 2019 08:20 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

https://nypost.com/2019/11/03/mets-risky-media-obsession-put-carlos-beltran-over-the-top/ Sounds to me that the tail was wagging the dog in this process. Not good. Why don't you just hire the most qualified person that you can get and all this media stuff will just take care of itself when success emanates from experienced hands guiding good process? Are we instead going to be limited only to middling candidates and total shots in the dark who just happened to have passed through this town while potentially great hires are passed over just because they have done their best work in the Midwest? well that was a garbage hack job. He details all the intricate, and completely normal, steps of the interview. Look, he wanted Girardi, this is clear, but his only argument against Beltran is maybe explaining yourself to me is harder when you're accounting for more than just yourself? How is this anything but accusing Beltran of being selfish, something I bet I could dig up him saying about Beltran 10 years ago? And then he finishes it with a Wainwright mention because of course he's gotta get the dig in, he might get mistaken for being professional otherwise. hack.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2019 08:53 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

The problem with hiring the most qualified guy you can is that 100% of everybody disagrees on what qualifications a manager should have. Hey, you know who went out on top? Edgardo Alfonzo went out on top.

Ceetar Nov 04 2019 08:55 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

hitting coach Edgardo Alfonzo? one of the nice things about working from home is I guess I can easily stream and watch this press conference at 11.

G-Fafif Nov 04 2019 09:57 AM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

Carlos laid down the NL East law in two languages, promised to set the Nationals' championship flag “en fuego” and generally promised to kick ass on the field and in the clubhouse. Or he spoke in vaguely upbeat platitudes while cloaked in a dress shirt, tie and uniform top. I forget which. Either way, let's sign Rendon.

The Hot Corner Nov 06 2019 06:44 PM Re: Carlos Beltran, 22nd Manager of the New York Mets

I always liked Beltran as a player. I hope for the best. I feel he can handle the clubhouse personalities and the press, but I just worry that his complete lack of managerial experience will be a major problem.