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Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

Frayed Knot
Nov 01 2019 07:35 PM

A few comings and goings over the last few days. These will be the first of many.



- Yanx decline option on slugger Edwin Encarnacion, bought him out actually ($5M) rather than pay him $25



- Indians pick up the option on RHP Corey Kluber despite the fact that he'll turn 34 y/o just after Opening Day and pitched just 35 innings this past year, none after May 1st.



- Brewers Yasmani Grandal (C) and Mike Moustakas (1B?, 2B?, 3B?) both decline player options and will be FAs this winter

Frayed Knot
Nov 03 2019 10:48 AM
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Aroldis Chapman opts NOT to opt-out after being enticed by the pre-deadline extension he got from the Yanx which tacks on the 2022 season on top of the '20 & '21 seasons that were already in the contract.

seawolf17
Nov 03 2019 05:51 PM
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Stony Brook alums in the news, as Travis Jankowski, DFAed by the Padres, gets picked up by the Reds, and Nick Tropeano, DFAed by the Angels, heads off to free agency and will hopefully get a non-roster invite from someone this spring.

Frayed Knot
Nov 20 2019 10:12 AM
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Mako Shark doo doo doo doo doo doo do - Mako Shark doo doo ...



Gerrado Parra signs with the Yomiuri Giants

Frayed Knot
Nov 20 2019 07:36 PM
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Although it would be understandable if you thought he has already been out of the game for years now, the Yanx released Jacoby Ellsbury today in order to clear room on their 40 man roster.

'Stealing him' away from the BoSox by signing to a $148 million FA deal in December of 2013, Ellsbury totaled just over 2,000 PAs as a Yanqui and a .264/.330/.386 slash line over pieces of

four seasons (2014-17) in what might be described as the most stunningly bad FA deal in history. Ellsbury was last seen pinch-running in Game 4 of the 2017 ALCS. He then went on to miss

all of 2018 & 2019 and so the Yanx will now pay off the remainder of his contract for the 2020 plus a $5 million buyout for 2021.



And before someone adds that of course they ate the money it's what they do, this is actually NOT what the Yanx typically do. I can't remember the last time they even agreed to eat a small contract

much less something even coming close to this large. They even kept Kei Igawa on the payroll for the entire length of his five-year deal despite most of that money being paid up front and far past

the time it was obvious that he'd never again pitch in the major leagues. So for four seasons Igawa commuted from his home in Manhattan to make over 100 starts for ScrantonWilkes-Barre to earn

his contract which, for the Yanx especially, amounted to tiny fraction of their overall payroll (some $3/yr).

Centerfield
Nov 21 2019 07:15 AM
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It's reasonable to expect long-term contracts to be a burden on payroll by the end, but it's rare that a contract looks bad on the day it's signed. Even Jason Bay wasn't as immediately bad.



Ellsbury probably hit enough to warrant that value even in his prime (.789 career OPS with Boston). He had a monster 2011, but was otherwise, unspectacular. He did give you value with his speed, but signing a speed guy on the wrong side of 30 generally isn't a great idea.



You figure taking him from Boston after their championship was part of the motivation. I wish the Yankees would go back to making these types of moves.

Johnny Lunchbucket
Nov 21 2019 10:07 AM
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Yasmani Grandal signs with White Sox

TransMonk
Nov 21 2019 10:59 AM
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The White Sox are looking like they could be really good to me. They needed a couple veteran pieces to round out the roster and adding Grandal is a sign that they are ready to go for it.

bmfc1
Nov 21 2019 11:40 AM
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Good--he's out of the league. Now Cole needs to go to the Angels, Rendon to the Rangers and Strasburg anywhere else.

smg58
Nov 21 2019 11:54 AM
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Good--he's out of the league. Now Cole needs to go to the Mets, Rendon to the Rangers and Strasburg anywhere else.

bmfc1
Nov 21 2019 01:27 PM
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=smg58 post_id=26940 time=1574362457 user_id=62]
Good--he's out of the league. Now Cole needs to go to the Mets, Rendon to the Rangers and Strasburg anywhere else.


Thanks for fixing it!

Frayed Knot
Nov 22 2019 01:17 PM
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And now it becomes more understandable why the Yanquis reversed their usual method of sticking through a contract in the Ellsbury case ... because they plan to file grievances to get as much of it as possible back.

Claiming that he sought and received treatment not authorized by the club, one he clears waivers (at which point he'll no longer be in their employ) the Yanx will file paperwork with the idea of getting the remaining

season of his contract changed to a non-guaranteed one. It is also possible that they'll try to recoup some of the money already paid to him although that's not clear at this time.

smg58
Nov 23 2019 10:36 AM
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I'd be surprised if the Yankees get anywhere with that, unless the treatment actually made the issue worse. If the treatment did nothing, or actually made it possible for Ellsbury to get on the field this year, what's their argument?

Frayed Knot
Nov 23 2019 01:50 PM
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Their argument is that they're pissed off that they spent too much money for a player and, rather than admit that it was their fault for misjudging him, they're using this as an excuse to claw back some of the money.

They did this with Giambi once they were shocked, SHOCKED to discover that there were steroids going on in the back of Rick's Cafe, and they tried the same with ARod. All bad investments but none were their fault

as long as you can blame it on the player somehow. They had no case whatsoever with Giambi, especially after THEY specifically crossed out any references to steroids as a clause in his contract, and wound up dropping

the matter once he bounced back after one lost season. They wound up settling with ARod for some undisclosed sum in lieu of the final year of his contract just to make him shut up and go away.

bmfc1
Nov 24 2019 02:26 PM
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Get the tribute video ready, Travis is back in the NL East:

https://twitter.com/Braves/status/1198713117649383429/photo/1

smg58
Nov 26 2019 07:03 AM
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Not a bad haul for a guy who looked done this time last year. (Hell, he still looked done in June.) I wouldn't have thought that a .745 OPS plus meh defense would be worth that much, but we didn't get a whole lot more than that from Ramos.

Frayed Knot
Nov 26 2019 01:48 PM
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This makes the Braves the first team to pull off the d'Arnaud d'Aily d'Ouble (though not concurrently) having previously employed older brother Chase d'Arnaud (32) in 2016 & 2017

Chase split 2019 between the Rangers and Royals AAA affiliates hitting ... ummm, not very well, and he doesn't have the luxury of hiding a weak bat behind calling himself a catcher.

bmfc1
Nov 27 2019 05:43 PM
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While the Mets are hiring coaches, other teams continue to acquire players. The Brewers traded the BASTARD who made the critical error that lead to WSH scoring the go-ahead run in the Wild Card game. It wasn't all his fault, it was mostly that SOB Josh Hader. You can see that I'm over it. Anyway, here's the trade:

https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1199730650523275264

MFS62
Dec 02 2019 10:18 AM
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Indians/Bosox trade.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-trade-c-leon-170444631.html

Later

Johnny Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2019 01:36 PM
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Reds sign Moustakas

bmfc1
Dec 04 2019 10:47 AM
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The Braves keep improving:

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1202276084273819649

bmfc1
Dec 05 2019 09:02 AM
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Gerrit Cole to the MFYs. Good. Keep him out of the NL.

LWFS
Dec 05 2019 10:30 AM
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Gerrit Cole to the MFYs. Good. Keep him out of the NL.



Leaning that way, yes, as per the baseball biddies. But nothing office-y'all yet, no?

G-Fafif
Dec 15 2019 10:53 AM
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Corey Kluber to the Rangers. DeShields the younger headed to headed to Cleveland along with hard-throwing righty reliever Emmanuel Clase.

smg58
Dec 15 2019 02:29 PM
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Kluber would have cost the Mets as much money this season as Wacha and Porcello. The Rangers ponied up a glove-first centerfielder and a relief prospect. That was a more than agreeable price for a guy who was as good as DeGrom from 2014-2018.

bmfc1
Dec 15 2019 03:16 PM
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Madison Bumgarner to the Diamondbacks.

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1206333754182111237

Edgy MD
Dec 15 2019 08:58 PM
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I have no good reason for feeling this way, but feel like Bumgarner is at the end of his run.



I kind of associate San Francisco pitchers with breaking down mid career. Tim Lincecum went south at 28. Johnny Cueto has mostly fallen off the map. Matt Cain was farty after 27. Barry Zito mostly lost it the minute he came to San Francisco.



Obviously these are only related at the most specious level, but that's the impression I tend to get.

smg58
Dec 16 2019 08:57 AM
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Bumgarner just turned 30 (as somebody else pointed out, he has less than a year on Wheeler). His numbers, other than the long ball, were very good last year. It might only take a real baseball to put him back in the upper echelon of starting pitchers, plus it's not abnormal for pitchers to move up their second full season after an injury. Getting him for $33M less than Wheeler was highway robbery.

Edgy MD
Dec 16 2019 11:49 AM
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Yeah, that point shouldn't be lost.



And it takes Wheeler twice as long as other guys to return from injury.

41Forever
Dec 16 2019 11:56 AM
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I thought of him as kind of the face of the Giants. Some pundits I heard last week were saying he was worth more to the Giants than any other team, and that MLB was better off with him on the Giants. (Might have been Jeff Passen on the Baseball Tonight podcast.)



Was there some kind of falling out?

smg58
Dec 16 2019 01:23 PM
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Not that I'm aware of. I'd consider Posey to be the face of the Giants for as long as he wants it, Bumgarner's performance in that one World Series notwithstanding. I doubt seriously it affects MLB either way. That the Giants seemed to be OK with him pitching for somebody else (and a division rival at that) could simply be a business decision.

ashie62
Dec 16 2019 08:16 PM
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New York Mets: C

After losing Zack Wheeler to the Phillies prior to the start of the Winter Meetings, the Mets were going to need to pick up pitching. Brodie Van Wagenen found two options for the void in the Mets' fifth rotation spot, signing both Rick Porcello and Michael Wacha. Porcello, 30, is coming off a dreadful season with the Red Sox, but was a top-50 free agent. Wacha, 28, is also coming off a rough 2019 campaign with the Cardinals. But when he's at his best, Wacha possesses league average fastball velocity and a knockout changeup.
Per CBS Mets winter meeting ratings

ashie62
Dec 16 2019 08:18 PM
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Who is spending the Mets money? Wilpons, Cohen, Brodie. Omar



Have to believe Cohen will fire them all short term. 5 year Wilpon contract my azzzz

G-Fafif
Dec 19 2019 01:10 PM
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Julio Teheran is joining the Angels in the literal sense: one year, nine mil.

G-Fafif
Dec 19 2019 01:12 PM
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In other used-to-be division rival news, Maikel Franco has signed with the Royals.

G-Fafif
Dec 19 2019 01:25 PM
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And ex-Nat (et al) Gio Gonzalez goes to the White Sox.

Frayed Knot
Dec 19 2019 06:57 PM
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Julio Teheran, six years running as the Atlanta Opening Day starter, is now an Angel (one year deal).



Mikael Franco, once Phiily's best prospect but only occasionally a good player, is headed to KCR



Justin Smoak, part of the '1st baseman's draft of 2008* heads to the Brewers on a one year deal. Previously toiled for KC, SEA, TOR





* 7 of the first 23 picks were 1st sackers, something I'm sure never happened before or since

3rd overall = Eric Hosmer (KC)

7th - Yonder Alonso (Reds)

11th - Smoak (TEX)

13th - Brett Wallace (StL)

17th David Cooper (TOR)

18th - Ike Davis (NYM)

23rd - Allen Dykstra (SDP)

metsmarathon
Dec 20 2019 09:05 AM
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=G-Fafif post_id=28662 time=1576786219 user_id=55]
Julio Teheran is joining the Angels in the literal sense: one year, nine mil.



wow. that... seems pretty cheap.

Edgy MD
Dec 20 2019 11:38 AM
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I'm probably wrong, but I feel like he dominated the Mets the first few years of his career, but the script was flipped the last few years.



He's looked done every year for maybe four years, but he usually nonetheless has been able to grind it out and have decent numbers by the end of the season.

G-Fafif
Dec 21 2019 06:01 PM
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Dallas Keuchel, another 2019 Brave, signs with the White Sox.

G-Fafif
Dec 21 2019 06:12 PM
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Keuchel figures are three years, $54-56 million.

G-Fafif
Dec 22 2019 09:30 PM
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Hyun-Jin Ryu signs with the Jays, 4 years, $80 mil.

bmfc1
Dec 23 2019 05:38 AM
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Big market Blue Jays with a nice signing.

smg58
Dec 23 2019 07:17 AM
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That's two pitchers (the other being Bumgarner) I'd have rated ahead of Wheeler who signed for less. Plus I think the Rangers got a huge discount on Kluber. Even if you you chose not to outbid the Yankees on Cole, there was value to be had on quality.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 23 2019 07:45 AM
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This wasn't a qualitative assessment. This is a team that can't operate like the big market team that it is and its owners should've been run out of town years ago. Still not enough outrage over Wacha and Porcello. Maybe they'll make some unanticipated signings with the newfound Cespedes money. But what's likelier to happen is that a month or two from now, after everyone's signed up and there aren't any FA's left to sign, eff Wilpon will claim that BVW could've spent whatever he wanted to spend all along without restrictions. It'll be the same bullshit story running for over a decade now.



Steve Cohen can't get here fast enough.

LWFS
Dec 23 2019 12:32 PM
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Maybe I'm just an Alexander the Great fanboy at heart, but I'm always curious about dudes with talent who "find themselves" abroad.


[BLOCKQUOTE]Johnson, 28, was very effective last season with Japan's Hanshin Tigers, posting a 1.38 ERA in 58.2 innings over 58 games. He went 2-3 with a 5.44 ERA in 44.2 innings pitched in two seasons for the San Francisco Giants before going overseas.

Johnson was selected in the first round in 2012 by the Chicago Cubs and found his fastball in Japan by optimizing his spin rate, reports Passan. [/BLOCKQUOTE]


During that dominant season, he put up 14 K/9... and 2 BB/9.



Also, an old red-assed friend has joined the division; Cervelli will get $2M guaranteed for the upcoming baseballing time period.

G-Fafif
Dec 25 2019 06:51 PM
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Edwin Encarnación to the White Sox, one year, $12 mil.

Centerfield
Dec 26 2019 12:00 PM
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White Sox have been super aggressive this off-season.

bmfc1
Jan 02 2020 08:10 PM
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Will Harris, who helped choke away Game 7 to the Nationals, has signed with the Nationals. 3 years for a 35-year old RP is a lot but at least they know he's healthy. I'm sure that watching the ring ceremony will be quite uncomfortable for him. "Hey Will, look on the scoreboard--that's you throwing a meatball to Howie Kendrick!"

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1212932834949763073

Edgy MD
Jan 02 2020 10:56 PM
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The last Will Harris on the Nats stole a couple of games from the Mets, and then he joined the Mets and stole a few more from the Mets.

G-Fafif
Jan 03 2020 03:25 PM
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Giants sign Tyson Ross, Pacific Coast trembles.

G-Fafif
Jan 04 2020 12:57 PM
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Craig Stammen stays a Padre.

Edgy MD
Jan 04 2020 07:10 PM
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Tyson Ross is an interesting guy in that he's been around since 2010, has had a perfectly respectable (for the era) 4.04 ERA, and yet has never posted a winning record. In fact, his record is a stinkalicious 44-70.



With starting pitcher workdays getting shorter, guys like Tyson are going to be more common — being good enough to hang on at the back end of rotations, but not so good that the manager won't give him the quickest of hooks, but good enough to keep getting his next turn.



Decent pitchers are going to be retiring with worse and worse records going forward, and great ones (cough! deGrom) won't be that much above .500.

G-Fafif
Jan 07 2020 11:07 AM
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Steve Cishek to sell seashells by the seashore of the South Side of Lake Michigan with the White Sox.

G-Fafif
Jan 07 2020 07:37 PM
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Robinson Chirinos signs with the Rangers.

bmfc1
Jan 07 2020 08:50 PM
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Robinson Chirinos signs with the Rangers.

I hoped that Chirinos would be the backup C but I guess they ran out of money. At least we have Nido and Jeffy's son's college teammate, Austin Bossart, who received a ST invitation.

G-Fafif
Jan 08 2020 10:45 PM
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Hector Rondon has gone to Arizona to become a cold hearted...Snake.



https://youtu.be/o7aShcmEksw

G-Fafif
Jan 13 2020 11:29 AM
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The Gyorko store called and said Milwaukee has signed Jedd.

LWFS
Jan 13 2020 12:43 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Tyson Ross is an interesting guy in that he's been around since 2010, has had a perfectly respectable (for the era) 4.04 ERA, and yet has never posted a winning record. In fact, his record is a stinkalicious 44-70.



With starting pitcher workdays getting shorter, guys like Tyson are going to be more common — being good enough to hang on at the back end of rotations, but not so good that the manager won't give him the quickest of hooks, but good enough to keep getting his next turn.



Decent pitchers are going to be retiring with worse and worse records going forward, and great ones (cough! deGrom) won't be that much above .500.


Ross has always seemed to me to have great stuff, but four-inning stamina. He'd make an excellent bullpen-day workhorse.

G-Fafif
Jan 13 2020 03:12 PM
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Ivan Nova signs with Detroit.

G-Fafif
Jan 14 2020 11:42 AM
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The Cubs have traded Tony Kemp to the A's for Alfonso Rivas.

G-Fafif
Jan 14 2020 06:02 PM
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Josh Donaldson brings his rain to the Twin Cities.

G-Fafif
Jan 14 2020 06:05 PM
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Cardinals acquire OF Austin Dean from Marlins in exchange for minor league OF Diowill Burgos.

smg58
Jan 14 2020 06:17 PM
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=G-Fafif post_id=29714 time=1579050151 user_id=55]
Josh Donaldson brings his rain to the Twin Cities.


Which means Washington and Atlanta will remain dry.

bmfc1
Jan 14 2020 06:31 PM
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=smg58 post_id=29718 time=1579051073 user_id=62]
=G-Fafif post_id=29714 time=1579050151 user_id=55]
Josh Donaldson brings his rain to the Twin Cities.


Which means Washington and Atlanta will remain dry.

Unless they trade for Arenado or Bryant.

Frayed Knot
Jan 14 2020 07:26 PM
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Wow, four years for Donaldson!

At a just-turned 34 he's not that old, but at this time last year the one-year deal he got from the Braves was considered risky on account of age and past injuries.

MFS62
Jan 14 2020 08:13 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Wow, four years for Donaldson!

At a just-turned 34 he's not that old, but at this time last year the one-year deal he got from the Braves was considered risky on account of age and past injuries.


They will be able to forget about his age (or at least his glove) in the American League because of that, you know, silly DH rule.

Later

smg58
Jan 15 2020 07:19 AM
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Donaldson bet on himself last offseason and won. The Braves got a division title and a draft pick for their one-year investment, but now they have to choose between a very expensive trade and taking a huge downgrade at the position.

Centerfield
Jan 15 2020 08:21 AM
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Johan Camargo put up an .806 OPS in 2018 before struggling in a marginalized role last year. He won't be Donaldson, but the Braves might have a good in-house option there.



It's so much fun when your team doesn't actually get better and your only hope for the winter is that the other teams get worse.

G-Fafif
Jan 16 2020 01:51 PM
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The Giants have signed Drew Smyly.

Frayed Knot
Jan 16 2020 01:53 PM
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On those chilly Bay area nights, he can be the pitcher who came in from the cold.

G-Fafif
Jan 19 2020 12:18 PM
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Matt Wieters re-signs with Cardinals.

MFS62
Jan 19 2020 12:38 PM
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=G-Fafif post_id=30120 time=1579461496 user_id=55]
Matt Wieters re-signs with Cardinals.



Uh, I was watching the Paula Abdul video above. What was that again?

Later

smg58
Jan 19 2020 01:50 PM
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An interesting but overlooked trade: the Rays acquired 1B/OF Jose Martinez and OF Randy Arozarena for St. Louis in exchange for pitching prospect Matthew Liberatore (with a few smaller pieces exchanged as well). The Cardinals sacrifice significant major-league outfield depth for a prospect, which is curious for a contender -- but it makes more sense if they work a deal out for Arenado. The Rays get two solid right-handed bats. Arozarena could have been a sneaky option in centerfield, with a decent power/speed combination and a pretty high ceiling.

LWFS
Jan 19 2020 06:46 PM
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Martinez will be a MUCH better fit in the AL. Good God, that's a big dude.

ashie62
Jan 20 2020 05:09 PM
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=smg58 post_id=30124 time=1579467030 user_id=62]
An interesting but overlooked trade: the Rays acquired 1B/OF Jose Martinez and OF Randy Arozarena for St. Louis in exchange for pitching prospect Matthew Liberatore (with a few smaller pieces exchanged as well). The Cardinals sacrifice significant major-league outfield depth for a prospect, which is curious for a contender -- but it makes more sense if they work a deal out for Arenado. The Rays get two solid right-handed bats. Arozarena could have been a sneaky option in centerfield, with a decent power/speed combination and a pretty high ceiling.



Liberatore projects as a 2

Frayed Knot
Jan 20 2020 05:54 PM
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=ashie62 post_id=30186 time=1579565356 user_id=90]
Liberatore projects as a 2



And he helps reduce the threat of blood clots.

seawolf17
Jan 21 2020 06:31 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:


Liberatore projects as a 2


And he helps reduce the threat of blood clots.


Ask your doctor before taking Liberatore, and don't take Liberatore if you're allergic to Liberatore, or if you're pregnant, are thinking about getting pregnant, or have ever been near someone who was pregnant. Side effects include bleeding, difficulty breathing, death, and the condition known as "hot dog fingers."

LWFS
Jan 21 2020 08:42 AM
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Some critics argue that The Liberatore should be the national anthem, but those people often ignore the song's roots as a Georgian opiate-smoking song and its problematic associations with the induced-labor movement of the early 20th century. Besides, it's in Pig Italian.

Frayed Knot
Jan 21 2020 12:56 PM
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And don't take Liberatore if you're pregnant and are considering an induced labor movement.

Centerfield
Jan 30 2020 05:00 PM
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Pedro Strop to the Reds. 1.85M.



This is the type of flyer that I would have liked to see from the Mets. Not a great year with the Cubs last year, but still has good stuff, WHIP was decent, and only 34 years old.



For that type of money. You just wonder if we're even trying.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 30 2020 06:28 PM
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This bullpen will rise or fall depending on what Diaz and Familia do. If they're good, they won't need the Strops of the world. If they're bad, Pedro Strop wouldn't have made a difference. I get the feeling Brodie is looking at it that way, too.

Frayed Knot
Jan 30 2020 06:40 PM
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Yeah, it's tough to equate passing on Pedro Strop with 'not trying'. And you figure if there were demand for Strop he wouldn't have wound up on a one-year deal in Cincy.

Familia, Diaz, Lugo, Wilson, Bettances, Gsellman, plus maybe Wacha and whatever cast of characters will fill things out.

Frayed Knot
Jan 30 2020 06:51 PM
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In the meantime, both the Dodgers & Padres are in deep talks w/Boston over Mookie Betts

Not sure which way things are going to go but it's starting to sound like something is going to happen soon.



And speaking of (not) soon, how crazy is it that the Sawx still haven't named a manager?

It's been 2-1/2 weeks since Cora "resigned" and not even that long until P's & C's report.

I think some here were calling it a sign of NYM front office disfunction when a replacement for Beltran hadn't been named in like the first 48 hours.

G-Fafif
Feb 18 2020 09:14 PM
Re: Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

Red Sox take good look at Kevin Plawecki, realize what they have in him, and sign Jonathan Lucroy.

Lefty Specialist
Feb 19 2020 06:48 AM
Re: Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

Russell Martin still out there for the taking.

G-Fafif
Feb 23 2020 10:26 AM
Re: Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

Brian Dozier hears Juan Lagares is on Padres, rushes to join him in San Diego.

G-Fafif
Feb 23 2020 02:29 PM
Re: Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

D'Backs sign Mark Leiter, Jr.

LWFS
Feb 23 2020 05:27 PM
Re: Winter '19-'20 non-NYM related moves

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Brian Dozier hears Juan Lagares is on Padres, rushes to join him in San Diego.



Interesting cast of characters they're putting together down Northern Tijuana way. The bench pieces intrigue, but not nearly as much as the raft of young pitching prospects they've got to go along with Machado and last year's holdovers.