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Injury Updates, 2006

Edgy DC Apr 11 2006 02:41 PM

Kaz Matsui played DH in an extended spring training game, going 2-4 with two steals.

Elster88 Apr 11 2006 03:46 PM

Larry Jones on the 15-day DL. Wait, is this thread Met-related injuries only?

Elster88 Apr 11 2006 04:16 PM

Top 9TH B:0 S:1 O:1 Kansas City Royals designated hitter Mike Sweeney left the game due to an injured hand/wrist.

sharpie Apr 11 2006 04:42 PM

He was hit by a Rivera pitch.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 11 2006 04:48 PM

It could have been worse. Rivera could have pushed him into his swimming pool.

OlerudOwned Apr 11 2006 04:53 PM

The first pitch of the AB, Rivera threw one that was hardly inside. Sweeney jumped away and dropped him bat. Two pitches later, he gets hit in the hand.

OlerudOwned Apr 11 2006 04:53 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: It could have been worse. Rivera could have pushed him into his swimming pool. Oh man, that's a low blow

Willets Point Apr 11 2006 04:54 PM

When I was in high school I got hit on the hand during practice. By the pitching machine.

seawolf17 Apr 11 2006 04:56 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]It could have been worse. Rivera could have pushed him into his swimming pool. Oh man, that's a low blow Good thing I wasn't drinking anything or Yancy would have owed me a new keyboard.

Edgy DC Apr 12 2006 01:04 PM

Kaz Matsui went 0-for-3 with a walk as the DH during an extended spring training game in Port St. Lucie

Elster88 Apr 13 2006 01:49 PM

Livan Hernandez removed (neck) from the 4/13 game with the Mets in the third inning. He was diagnosed with whiplash at an area hospital two hours later.

vtmet Apr 13 2006 02:10 PM

Willets Point wrote: When I was in high school I got hit on the hand during practice. By the pitching machine. Did you charge the mound with bat in hand afterwards?

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 08:13 AM

Kaz is 2-7 with a walk in two games for the ST. Lucie Mets. Bumped up to Norfolk for a gmae, he went 1-4.

Frayed Knot Apr 17 2006 09:19 AM

- LAD reliever Yhency Brazoban out for the season. Tack that onto Eric Gagne's nerve removal surgery and Jae Seo's seo-seo start and I bet they're missing Duaner Sanchez right about now - David Wells comes off the DL, gets bombed, and goes right back on. Gee, his knee is having trouble healing under all that weight ... whoda thunk it? Former NYM - taken in Rule 5 Draft - Lenny DiNardo starts in his place this morning (Patriot's day Game). - Sean Casey out for a few weeks after getting run into at 1st base. Probably too busy talking.

OlerudOwned Apr 17 2006 02:40 PM

Carlos Beltran sat Sunday vs. the Brewers, and will likely do the same tonight against the Braves. He's resting his tweaked hamstring. EDIT: My Jay Satan post! Cool!

Johnny Dickshot Apr 17 2006 02:48 PM

Hail!

Elster88 Apr 17 2006 02:59 PM

Flee in terror!

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 08:37 PM

Cliff Floyd apparently has a strained rib cage muscle, leaving the Mets with two healthy outfielders and Jose Valentin in left. I hope Diaz's plane to Norfok can turn around.

Elster88 Apr 17 2006 09:28 PM

I hate being right. Doesn't he have to stay down for ten games or something? Or five?

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 09:44 PM

I dunno. This is the issue that allowed Mike Bishop to get his only taste of Major League clubhouse buffet food in 1983. I think a sudden injury allows him to turn around.

Frayed Knot Apr 17 2006 10:03 PM

Diaz's plane could turn around and bring him back but only if the Mets [u:45f0de354a]DL somebody[/u:45f0de354a] -- not just to come back whist Cliffy & Carlos sit for a few days riding the stationary bike. Without a DL situation I think it's 10 days before he can return. I suspect the plan - the orignial one anyway before Cliffy's whatever - was to get an extra pitcher for the 'Lanta series and then swap out one of them for Matsui when we hit the left coast.

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 10:03 PM

The only way they can bring him back (listening to the guys in the booth here) is if somebody is put on the disabled list. The other bugbear is that the Mets have no other outfielders on their 40-man roster, so they'd have to make a roster maneuver if they were to call up a reserve outfielder, and nobody's an obvious alternative. Todd Self has been dragging his ass, and he, Julio Ramirez and Cory Aldridge are all on the interstate down there. (Norfolk actually needs Victor Diaz.) Other options include Lastings Milledge --- which would be a senstive subject for a callup expected to last a few days, but he's tearing it up, or trying to pass Chris Basak or Jeff Keppinger off as an outfield option. But, yeah, we could (however unlikely) end up seeing Milledge in the next day or two. Matsui is more likely.

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 08:27 AM

NY Times wrote: "I'm looking forward to trying to play tomorrow, so I'm going to come in here with the intentions of trying to play," Floyd said. "If it doesn't allow me to play, if it doesn't allow me to swing, then I won't go out there."

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 08:41 AM

Looks like the plan is to ride this out. Daily News wrote: GM Omar Minaya said neither Floyd nor Beltran was a disabled list candidate, and that the Mets planned to ride out their injuries without summoning an outfielder from Triple-A Norfolk, where Todd Self or Lastings Milledge would be available. By rule, Diaz could not be recalled for 10 days unless a Met was placed on the DL.

abogdan Apr 18 2006 08:56 AM

Atlanta's going with a righty tonight, so I'm guessing Valentin is in the starting lineup in LF if Floyd can't go. You have to consider putting Woody in at 2B tonight to try and get a little more offense in the lineup.

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 08:57 AM

Can Franco play the outfield or second?

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 09:28 AM

I imagine he can play second in the pinch of pinches. If they were desperate for an outfielder, I imagine they'd try anybody before him, including putting him at first and Delgado in the outfield.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2006 09:32 AM

Elster88 wrote: Can Franco play the outfield or second? He could and did play 2nd during the Reagan administration. Not so sure about now.

KC Apr 18 2006 09:35 AM

I'd rather see Glavine as an emergency outfielder than Franco (or one of the youngins in the pen).

Rotblatt Apr 18 2006 10:01 AM

Trotting out a starting lineup that includes Valentin, Chavez & Hernandez is just sad. Hopefully Valentin will tweak something rolling out of bed this morning and we can put him on the DL and bring back Diaz.

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 10:08 AM

Hopefully Willie has half a brain and give Woody a start.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 18 2006 10:14 AM

In the Daily News this morning, Beltran said this injury isn't nearly as bad as the one he had last year. Let's hope that continues to be the case. The News (I think it was Adam Rubin) speculated that Floyd's injury is the kind that gets aggravated by swinging a bat, so he may not be back for a while. They can only call Diaz back if Floyd gets disabled (because of the 10-day rule) but other outfielders who could be promoted for a few days include Self and... Milledge. We'll have to stay tuned.

Edgy DC Apr 18 2006 10:26 AM

]Hopefully Valentin will tweak something rolling out of bed this morning and we can put him on the DL and bring back Diaz. Hopefully Valentin will tweak a few pitches into the rightfield bullpen.

vtmet Apr 18 2006 10:49 AM

KC wrote: I'd rather see Glavine as an emergency outfielder than Franco (or one of the youngins in the pen). I wonder if Darren Oliver could play the OF? He's got a .232 average in 203 at bats with 10 doubles and a homer...he's had a 20 hit season and a 17 hit season, which IMO, is pretty good for what I would consider an AL pitcher (9 of his first 11 seasons were away from the NL)...

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 11:07 AM

That's a good option. Much better than what Valentin and Hernandez have shown.

86-Dreamer Apr 18 2006 12:22 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2006 02:13 PM

Brooks Kieschnik circa 2004 would fit nicely on our roster right about now. I see that he played in Astros system last year but can't find him on a roster in 2006. Edit: I found an Orioles press release from February announcing that Brooks declined their minor league invite and decided to retire.

Centerfield Apr 18 2006 12:32 PM

Hey, let's see what Sammy Sosa is up to...

OlerudOwned Apr 18 2006 03:55 PM

Why can't Woodward play leftfield tonight? He played the OF last season and proved himself to be a valueable member of the team. Valentin has yet to do that this year.

Elster88 Apr 18 2006 04:20 PM

What's nice is that the Braves can't blame all of yesterday on Chipper and Renteria being out (not that they were), because we didn't have Carlos 1.

Zvon Apr 18 2006 04:28 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ...... but other outfielders who could be promoted for a few days include Self and... Milledge. We'll have to stay tuned. Wouldnt mind seein Milledge for a week or so.

ABG Apr 19 2006 08:32 AM

]"I don't know," a clearly dejected Beltran said when asked if a return this weekend in San Diego was realistic. That was a departure from his previous hopeful stance. Now Beltran hopes to merely play at all on the three-city trip that also includes San Francisco and Atlanta. He made no promises after testing his tight right hamstring with half-speed sprints in the outfield. http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060419/SPORTS01/604190345/1108 Explain to me why we don't just DL him. It seems the prudent thing to do--take no chances that you don't fuck up another of his seasons, get Diaz (or someone else) back up here.

abogdan Apr 19 2006 08:33 AM

According to [url=http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/64698.htm]the Post[/url], Floyd expects to play today. Beltran doesn't. At this point, they should just retro Carlos to the DL and call Diaz back up.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 19 2006 08:55 AM

abogdan wrote: At this point, they should just retro Carlos to the DL and call Diaz back up. I agree.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 09:00 AM

Not that Diaz helps all that much, unless Floyd goes back down. Is there a chance in a million that Woodward gets to play center? I don't think so, myself.

abogdan Apr 19 2006 09:07 AM

If Floyd's back, go with Nady in center and Diaz in right.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 09:11 AM

Carlos Beltran wrote: "The doctors told me last year it wasn't major," he said. "But it was major. I'm trying to be my own judge this year." Lovely.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 09:58 AM

Last night was enough number eight hitters in the lineup for me (and make no mistake, Reyes is hacking like one himself). I'd like to see Nady in center and see what he can do.

duan Apr 19 2006 10:02 AM

we could dl anderson hernandez too; he missed a freakin' game with back spasms. I'm, getting AWFUL tempted by a temporary promotion for young Lastings. He's got an obp of .439 and a SLG of .636 @ AAA !!!! He can play centre/left/right.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 10:03 AM

Nady hasn't looked like much of an outfielder so far. I was really hoping for Woodward in center, but then I remembered he has to play second. "Hey, don't worry, a lineup like the Mets can carry a second baseman with no bat like Andy."

Nymr83 Apr 19 2006 10:04 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2006 10:06 AM

abogdan wrote: If Floyd's back, go with Nady in center and Diaz in right. Bingo. ="Elster88"]"Hey, don't worry, a lineup like the Mets can carry a second baseman with no bat like Andy." well, it was true with everyone healthy. with Beltran out and Floyd hurting its probably worth giving Keppinger the call or at least going with Woodward for a few days.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 19 2006 10:05 AM

Somebody has to be DL'ed though for Diaz to be promoted.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 19 2006 10:11 AM

Could you imagine the frenzy that would ensue were Milledge called up temporalily and raked? Floyd, Beltran and Nady couldn't stand even a small slump before the fans riot.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 10:18 AM

Nymr83 wrote: ="Elster88"]"Hey, don't worry, a lineup like the Mets can carry a second baseman with no bat like Andy." well, it was true with everyone healthy. No it's not.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 10:20 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Could you imagine the frenzy that would ensue were Milledge called up temporalily and raked? Floyd, Beltran and Nady couldn't stand even a small slump before the fans riot. I dunno. Nady probably earned a few months' immunity with his great start, and Floyd is well liked. Beltran would be in the most trouble, and even he is earning a little love now. I see Milledge coming up as another reason for Met-fans to hate Matsui.

ABG Apr 19 2006 10:21 AM

What's bothersome about this whole situation is that the Mets aren't trotting out the best team they have available to them. I'll give them a few days grace period, but as I recall this happened last year as well.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 10:36 AM

I've said it before, but there's always room for four good hitters to get plenty of opportunities with three outfield posiitions available, and for five good hitters to get plenty of opportunities with three outfield positions and first available. If Milledge came up and raked, I'd hate to view that as a problem. I was surprised he started at AAA, and delightedly suprised that he started hot. I'm not wanting to go into "All this hitting is terrible!" mode.

Centerfield Apr 19 2006 12:02 PM

With Matsui ready anyway, I don't see why they don't just DL Hernandez and call up Diaz.

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2006 12:15 PM

Minaya's quoted in one of the papers as saying it'll be next week before we'll see Matsui.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 12:59 PM

What a racist. SC = 85

Rotblatt Apr 19 2006 01:04 PM

I agree--DL Beltran. He said his hammy's at "60%" and it's been 5 days. We can handle another 10 days without him IF we've got Diaz up here. Regarding Nady's play in center, I just got my copy of the Fielding Bible the other day and took a quick look at all Mets--Nady's actually rated above average as a rightfielder. I can't remember his breakdown, but they specifically said that he's got the range to cover CF for a bit. Some other notes: Reyes & Wright had really bad years last year, although they note with both of them that they have the tools to be good, especially Reyes (who had a dominant 2003 defensively before getting injured). Beltran one of the best CF's out there. Floyd generally below average, but around average last year. Diaz was pretty bad in right. They don't have C ratings, which dissapointed me. Anderson Hernandez got pretty good ratings from his limited time. Cairo wasn't as bad as we thought he was, but he was definitely below average. I'll do a more detailed thing about FB's findings maybe this weekend.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 01:15 PM

Thanks. it was argued in this space that Nady was just as poor as Diaz, as if all fielders who are no great shakes are equal. Does anybody believe that now, even after seeing Nady airmail that throw last night?

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2006 02:58 PM

I've seen Nady take some less-than-optimal routes to fly balls since he's been here but he always manages to wind up where the ball is. That one throw was lousy but his arm seems at least adequate. In short I'd say he's maybe mediocre out there but much less mistake-prone than Diaz who has a tendancy to be a train-wreck at times.

martin Apr 19 2006 03:27 PM

in the post game interview, willie is reporting hernandez has a bulging disc and matsui will be starting.

Centerfield Apr 19 2006 03:29 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2006 03:30 PM

That allows them to call up both Diaz and Matsui right? On Edit: Bulging disk sounds serious. How long will he be out?

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 03:29 PM

OK, now let's see what we've got. Goin' west with the Kazzmeister.

Elster88 Apr 19 2006 03:30 PM

martin wrote: in the post game interview, willie is reporting hernandez has a bulging disc and matsui will be starting. Tomorrow?

martin Apr 19 2006 03:30 PM

yes, tomorrow in san diego, kaz will be starting. edit: no one had a guess on how long hernandez would be out.

Rotblatt Apr 19 2006 03:41 PM

]That allows them to call up both Diaz and Matsui right? Hm. If they DH Matsui, they can call up Diaz, then release Valentin and call up Matsui. I wouldn't be averse to sending Chavez back down instead of releasing Valentin, although Valentin is useless if he's not hitting, whereas Chavez can still pinch run and come in as a defensive sub.

metirish Apr 19 2006 03:42 PM

Thankfully for Kaz the Mets are on the road....

Edgy DC Apr 19 2006 03:44 PM

Yeah, but boobirds still need to be told that they're wrong.

abogdan Apr 20 2006 08:02 AM

A bit of optimism on Floyd and Beltran from [url=http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/67319.htm]the Post[/url]: ]Cliff Floyd (rib cage strain) said he felt a little bit better when he woke up yesterday, but Randolph didn't play him. "Feeling good and going out there and playing are different stories," Floyd said yesterday morning. Floyd took some dry swings at the cage, which meant he didn't face pitching. He felt all right and believes he'll be ready for tonight's game. "When I feel like I can play, I'll be out there," he said. * Carlos Beltran (right hamstring strain) worked up a sweat during a pregame workout, but he was also missing from the lineup. Beltran ran the bases, ran in the outfield and simulated taking fly balls. He said he will report early to the ballpark today and do the same routine, and that if he feels as good as he did yesterday, he'll play. "I feel a lot better," Beltran said. "The tightness is still there, but the pain is out of there. So that's good."

Elster88 Apr 20 2006 08:40 AM

The tightness is still there? Stretch it out.

Rotblatt Apr 20 2006 10:29 AM

If Beltran's hammy is still tight, he should sit. And go on the DL so we can call up Diaz. Peeps get called from games all the time when their hamstrings feel tight--there's no way he should play if his hamstring starts out feeling that way.

Rotblatt Apr 20 2006 02:37 PM

From [url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4993]Baseball Prospectus[/url]: ]The Mets are winning despite a shock of injuries. Cliff Floyd will miss a couple games after injuring his intracostal on a line-drive double, but this is mostly precautionary. Fantasy owners (and Omar Minaya) have a couple of these types of absences built in around Floyd. Carlos Beltran is feeling better about his tight hamstring, responding to treatment and extra stretching that will continue for the foreseeable future. While this is a concern and will limit both his fielding range and his baserunning exploits, it's not something that should be a major problem for Beltran at this stage. Anderson Hernandez heads to the DL, replaced by the man he replaced, Kazuo Matsui. Matsui is returning from a knee injury. Hernandez went down with a herniated disc in his lower back and has no current timetable for return. These types of injuries vary widely, depending on the location, severity, and response to treatment, so let's say a month to be safe. Makes me feel a bit better about Cliff, although I'm still a little nervous about Beltran.

Elster88 Apr 20 2006 02:40 PM

]The Mets are winning despite a shock of injuries. Not really. Not yet at least.

Centerfield Apr 21 2006 12:43 PM

Beltran to have an MRI today. Honestly, what is the point in denying the severity of this injury? Why call it day to day when you're getting an MRI? I just don't get what's going on here.

TransMonk Apr 22 2006 03:20 PM

From the Mets Press Pass for 4/22/06: Mets bullpen catcher Dave Racaniello returned to New York yesterday and will undergo surgury on Tuesday to repair a herniated disk in his back...New York's minor league catching coordinator Bob Natal will join the team and assist the squad in Racaniello's absence.

Frayed Knot Apr 22 2006 05:21 PM

" ... to repair a herniated disk in his back" He probably caught it from Andy Hernandez.

Centerfield Apr 22 2006 07:35 PM

From CPF-er Adam Rubin's blog: Quick Beltran Update Mets PR director Jay Horwitz just told me that Carlos Beltran's MRI came up clean - and that Beltran is cleared to play whenever he's ready.

OlerudOwned Apr 23 2006 12:49 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3740621 Todd Helton's mystery stomach pains land him on the DL. There will surely be more to this.

The Big O Apr 24 2006 11:21 AM

="[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/story/411575p-348137c.html]Adam Rubin[/url]"]Wright, who felt a shooting groin pain trying to avoid a ninth-inning pitch Saturday, intends to play through the injury. He first felt it swiping a base Thursday. "I can feel it, but it's not hampering me at all," Wright said.

Centerfield Apr 25 2006 12:20 AM

Rumor has it that Beltran is out for this series as well. The incompetence of this team is astounding. Here's the thing, I'm no professional athlete, but when I get an injury, even I can tell which ones will heal in a day or two, and which ones might linger for a week or more. Chavez batted with the tying run on third tonight.

Elster88 Apr 27 2006 08:16 AM

Any word on Floyd's son?

Edgy DC Apr 27 2006 09:25 AM

John Maine* was really good last time out, he's got a 2.62 ERA, he's on the 40, and he has big league experience (although not a lot of good big league experience). His rotation spot is also aligned with Brian Bannister's. I suspect he'll be the one to get the ball if Bannsiter can't answer the bell. * 7.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 9 SO, 1 HR

Yancy Street Gang Apr 27 2006 09:44 AM

He's what I'd do: DL Bannister, promote Diaz. When the spot in the rotation comes up, see how Beltran's feeling. Unless I was CONVINCED that he was fully healed, (and I don't know what would convince me of that)I'd disable him too at that point, and promote Maine.

cooby Apr 27 2006 09:45 AM

What is wrong with Floyd's son?

Elster88 Apr 27 2006 10:06 AM

Pulled a hammy yesterday.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 27 2006 10:33 AM

That's Floyd Bannister's son, cooby, not Cliff's son. I was confused by that too.

Elster88 Apr 27 2006 12:16 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 27 2006 12:23 PM

"I just don't think it's that bad," Bannister said. "We have an off day, and I already have six days to rest" "It's not torn. It's not anything severe," Bannister suggested as he stood at his locker. "It's really just tight right now. If it was more severe I'd probably be sitting down."

Elster88 Apr 27 2006 12:18 PM

NY Times wrote: Bannister would be scheduled to pitch Tuesday, but assuming he will not be ready, Randolph indicated that his replacement, if it is not Oliver, would come from Class AAA Norfolk, not from Aaron Heilman. Heilman is clearly the best option, but the Mets do not want to tinker with the majors' best relief corps.

Rotblatt Apr 27 2006 01:00 PM

Since Maine started last night, pitched well (as Edgy noted) and is on the 40-man roster, he'd probably make the most sense to call up for a spot start.

Edgy DC Apr 27 2006 01:05 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2006 12:52 PM

The Mets need themselves a Kelly Calabrese.

duan Apr 27 2006 01:39 PM

I'm putting this here seeing as discussion of the potential spot starter seemed to move from the 25 man roster thread to here ..... if a sport start is necessary and they DON'T turn it over to Heillman and promote on of the relievers that are on the 40 man roster WHAT IS THE POINT of taking up 7 roster spots with Heath Bell et al!

Gwreck Apr 27 2006 02:18 PM

NY Times wrote: Heilman is clearly the best option, but the Mets do not want to tinker with the majors' best relief corps. Whoa, are we really sure about this? I know Heilman wants to start, and I'm sure player motivation counts for something, but I'm not entirely convinced that his history supports this claim. I know Aaron had an excellent winter and spring, but his major league performances seem to highly support that he's at his best as a reliever.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 27 2006 02:24 PM

Maybe the Times should have said that he's clearly the most experienced (as a big league starter) option, at least among those not named Jose Lima.

cooby Apr 28 2006 11:24 AM

I love the little headline. I got this from my fantasy league news. C. Beltran nearly came to bat Carlos Beltran, CF NYM News: The New York Post reports that Carlos Beltran (inflamed right hamstring) didn't start Wednesday's game at San Francisco and he missed his fifth straight game. But he was actually on deck to pinch hit for Darren Oliver in the 11th inning. Analysis: Manager Willie Randolph said he thought about having Beltran hit but chose not to after the Mets took a two-run lead. That way the Mets don't lose days if Beltran has to go on the 15-day disabled list. Beltran's status will be checked again on Friday. "I know he's getting better," said general manager Omar Minaya. "But we'll see where he is. We're going to be conservative." The Mets are not expected to call up Lastings Milledge though, but Victor Diaz is more likely, if Beltran lands on the DL.

duan Apr 28 2006 12:36 PM

but calling up Diaz isn't going to replace our centre-fielder. Anything other then calling up Milledge doesn't get Endy Chavez out of being our starting centre-fielder and that's a situation (dickshot's generous assessment excepted!!!) that we can't find acceptable when there's a POTENTIALLY better bat on the table. I'm the first one to be worried about Milledge's clock, options and service time, but right now he's hitting the snot out of the ball and walking. I'd rather get him up here while he's in that frame of mind than after a two week long slump but when we're scratching about for bats after 3 weeks of endless outs endy.

Elster88 Apr 28 2006 12:40 PM

Nady would be a train wreck in center. Who hasn't reached this conclusion from seeing his play in right so far?

Edgy DC Apr 28 2006 12:41 PM

Well, calling up Diaz could replace him in giving us the unseemly but legiimate option to occasionally stick Diaz in right and Nady in center, (before going to Chavez for defensive replacement as early as the seventh, if we have a lead). ]Who hasn't reached this conclusion from seeing his play in right so far? Maybe I havne't seen enough, but he's been a clear improvement over Diaz in every facet.

Centerfield Apr 28 2006 12:51 PM

Nady takes some weird routes on balls.

Elster88 Apr 28 2006 12:53 PM

Elster88 wrote: Nady would be a train wreck in center. Who hasn't reached this conclusion from seeing his play in right so far? ="Edgy DC's response"]Maybe I havne't seen enough, but he's been a clear improvement over Diaz in every facet. I'm not sure how Diaz's ability affects speculation on Nady's ability to play center. Nevertheless, I'll rephrase: Who hasn't reached the conclusion that Nady would be a train wreck in center from seeing his play in right?

Edgy DC Apr 28 2006 12:59 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2006 01:03 PM

Agreed, but he hasn't had to take routes running after the ones that get by him like Diaz. Center, while being a much tougher row to hoe in terms of ground covered, is reputed to be easier (Bobby Valentine's theory here), in terms of taking routes to balls. Balls neither slice nor hook in center, but go where they seem to be going. Now that doesn't change the fact that a centerfielder covers far more ground and has maybe twice as many balls in his zone than a right or leftfielder. You may not want to see a bad glove put in play twice as much, but I'm always curious to see a manager try a solution that's a little more radical than the one he's been trying, or the standard. With the Marlins barely alive last year, with their infielders hurt and forced to put clear minor-leaguers in the starting lineup, Jack McKeon batting Dontrelle Willis seventh. --- I like that crap. Of course, desperate strategies are usually failing ones, but...

Edgy DC Apr 28 2006 01:00 PM

What does The Fielding Bible say about how Nady has played center in the past?

Elster88 Apr 28 2006 01:05 PM

I am big proponent of "[u:a752c934bd]Kaz's[/u:a752c934bd] increased offense will more than compensate for the decrease in defense from playing [u:a752c934bd]Kaz[/u:a752c934bd] instead of [u:a752c934bd]Andy[/u:a752c934bd] at [u:a752c934bd]second[/u:a752c934bd]." I dunno if the sentence remains true after changing the underlined words to Diaz's, Nady, Endy, and center. But I am willing to listen to other arguments. And you do make interesting points. I doubt we'll have the chance to see that in any event. What I describe is not remotely near anything Willie would consider doing while managing on this planet.

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2006 02:21 PM

I'm not sure I'd use "train-wreck" to describe the spectre of Nady in CF. I used that "weird route to balls" line a week or two back but I also said that he usually gets to where he needs to be. Yeah he's missed a couple but has made some decent plays as well. Mostly speculation - and it's all moot if Beltran is back playing tonight - but I think Nady in the middle is something we could live with for 2 weeks.

Zvon Apr 28 2006 07:16 PM

Juan Samuel was hit with a foul ball in the dugout the other day and suffered a broken face.

Gwreck May 10 2006 06:28 PM

Anderson Hernandez was 1-5 at St. Lucie yesterday and is playing for Norfolk tonight.

Frayed Knot May 10 2006 08:24 PM

Which is where I suspect he'll stay for the time being. Tough to make an argument that he'll be worth much as a bench player.

Rotblatt May 10 2006 09:52 PM

Edgy DC wrote: What does The Fielding Bible say about how Nady has played center in the past? CF 2005 28 GS, 244.1 Inn, -1 total, -4 enhanced. That's not very good, but he's been pretty solid in RF. RF 2003 98 GS, 846.7 Inn, +7 total, +6 enhanced, 7th in rank. "Nady is a jack of all trades. He can play many positions but is not really great defensively anywhere. He can play first base, third base and all three outfield spots. Nady is athletic and has suprising speed for a bigger guy. He has some range--he played 30 games in CF--and could probably be an average defnder if he just stayed at one position. His best position is first base (+5 in 44 games at 1B in 2005). "

Nymr83 May 10 2006 09:54 PM

Hernandez is too young (i'd put the cutoff around 27 but it could be higher or lower) to be sitting on the bench, he needs to play every day and if that won't be here it should be at AAA, the player and the mets are both better off in the long run if he is getting regular ABs in.

Gwreck May 10 2006 10:21 PM

="Nymr83"]Hernandez is too young (i'd put the cutoff around 27 but it could be higher or lower) to be sitting on the bench, he needs to play every day and if that won't be here it should be at AAA, the player and the mets are both better off in the long run if he is getting regular ABs in. If he's getting regular ABs in Norfolk, that's coming at the expense of Jeff Keppinger. Do we want that??

Edgy DC May 10 2006 10:36 PM

He can probably get enough at-bats backing up at second third and short for the Mets if they have room for him. He's certainly useful as such.

Gwreck May 10 2006 10:46 PM

Edgy DC wrote: He can probably get enough at-bats backing up at second third and short for the Mets if they have room for him. He's certainly useful as such. You think so? I see those as Chris Woodward's at-bats.

Edgy DC May 10 2006 11:09 PM

Maybe. It sure would be nice to see him go down to AAA and find his stroke me stroke me you could be a winner boy you move quite well.