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Elster88
Apr 14 2006 04:08 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 03 2006 10:38 AM

Met ERA : 2.84

Met ERA without Julio: ~2.30

metirish
Apr 14 2006 06:38 PM

Best Team ERA in MLB.

Elster88
Apr 16 2006 08:48 PM

Jose Reyes OBP: .340 (.346 according to ESPN.com)
Jose Reyes BB: 3

Jose Reyes 2006 projected BB: 44.181818

vtmet
Apr 16 2006 09:24 PM

I think today's game is a good example for the "which is more important, runs scored or OBP" debate...most people argue that OBP is a more important stat, and that a high OBP leads to runs and that a low OBP doesn't...I'm not so sure that Bannister and the Brewers would agree with that side of the argument...Bannister allowed 11 baserunners in 5 innings with only 1 run allowed (WHIP of 2.2, ERA less than 2)...and the Brewers had 17 batters reach base but only 3 crossed the plate (2 of them from a HR)...

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 16 2006 10:31 PM

All the same I'd prefer Bannister not try that ever again...

Willets Point
Apr 16 2006 10:33 PM

vtmet, one game is a small sample size. I'd wager that a team with a higher OBP is going to score more runs than a team with a lower OBP over a course of a season.

Frayed Knot
Apr 16 2006 10:38 PM

]All the same I'd prefer Bannister not try that ever again...


EGG-Xactly! (see how I got that Easter reference in)

Runs scored may be the more "important" stat but, to a large extent, RS is merely a function of OBP (combined with SLG and a few other things).
In the short run weird things like allowing 2+ base-runners per inning like Bannister did might only result in a scant amount of runs but you wouldn't want to walk that tight-rope too often.
And it's ditto for batters. Reyes might score a bunch of runs w/a lousy OBP but a lot of other things have to go right (good SB pct, good backup hitters) in order for that to happen and, even then, it's almost certain that he'd score even more runs with a better pct.

Elster88
Apr 17 2006 09:23 AM

vtmet wrote:
I think today's game is a good example for the "which is more important, runs scored or OBP" debate...most people argue that OBP is a more important stat, and that a high OBP leads to runs and that a low OBP doesn't...I'm not so sure that Bannister and the Brewers would agree with that side of the argument...Bannister allowed 11 baserunners in 5 innings with only 1 run allowed (WHIP of 2.2, ERA less than 2)...and the Brewers had 17 batters reach base but only 3 crossed the plate (2 of them from a HR)...


I think yesterday's game was a good example of how great a pitcher Jorge Julio is. He gave up a shot, sure, but he buckled down, got the outs he needed and didn't give up any runs. We should move him to closer.

Elster88
Apr 23 2006 10:25 AM

Julio is showing that my sarcastic remark might not have been as sarcastic as I thought.

Elster88
Apr 23 2006 10:26 AM

NL Leaders in ERA

Greg Maddux - 1.33
Tom Glavine - 1.38


What year is this?

Elster88
Apr 23 2006 10:47 AM

Jose Reyes OBP .272.

Yuk.

Jose Reyes 2006 BB: 4
Jose Reyes 2006 Projected BB: 38.11764705882325941165

vtmet
Apr 23 2006 11:10 AM

Jose Reyes vs Mike Piazza: 0 for 14;
Jose Reyes vs Bobby Cox: 1 for 11;
Jose Reyes vs Nats/Marlins/Brewers/Mirabella: 17 for 52 with 4 walks;

Bobby Cox has always found every Met vulnerability that he can...he knows that one of the keys to beating the Mets is to keep Reyes off of the base paths...

Piazza has had quite an opportunity to see what pitches expose Reyes' vulnerabilities, and what pitches he excels against...

So is it a big surprise that Reyes looks like he's a blind man swatting at flies against Cox & Piazza's pitch calling? Going a whopping 1 for 25 against them?

His OBP against Cox/Piazza: .040;
His OBP against everyone else: .375;

Bret Sabermetric
Apr 23 2006 11:19 AM

You're assuming Piazza is paying the slightest attention when he's not gripping a bat.

The way to test this kind of thesis out is not to study past examples, whose results are already in, but by studying future examples. If Reyes bats well vs Cox/Piazza for the rest of the year, what would you say then?

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 23 2006 11:25 AM

Career vs. Bobby Cox: 274/294/414
Career v. Everyone: 275/301/394

I know you're saying Cox has "learned" to exploit his weakness, but the fact that the Cox and Piazza series come in the same week suggests to me it's a normal slump any player is vulerable to.

The visual evidence at hand (lousy swings, butt backing up, bucket-stepping) doesn't suggest the opponent's gameplan is to blame nearly as much as some poor slumpy habits.

But wait and see the rest of the year -- and next, next, next -- for any definitive proof.

Elster88
Apr 23 2006 12:26 PM

What the fuck. Can we have one thread without a battle of Does Piazza Suck or Not? Just one?

Frayed Knot
Apr 23 2006 03:01 PM

All threads lead to Piazza.
Or is it Rey?
Or maybe Benitez?

Actually it's Vic's ass.

Rotblatt
May 03 2006 10:28 AM

These aren't necessarily GOOD stats, so maybe this is the wrong thread to post in, but I was having some fun with BP's new customizable stats and thought I'd share.

Mets are:

NL 2006 Batting

12th in OBP: .325
15th in UBB: 68
6th in K's: 161
2nd in SB%: 90.9%
4th in HR: 36
5th in SLG: .443
5th in VORP: 43.0

So we're bad at walking, but pretty good at not striking out. We generate our offense through power and speed. Replacing Hernandez with Matsui and Chavez with Beltran should help our OBP & UBB rates, but if the rest of our players start walking more without sacrificing power, our offense will look as dominant as our pitching.

Pitching
1st WHIP: 1.23
1st H/9: 7.56
9th BB/9: 3.48
1st K/9: 7.87
T4th HR/9: 0.98
1st K/BB: 2.26
7th Inherited Runs Prevented: -1.2 (positive is good)
2nd Bequethed Runs Prevented: 5.7 (positive is good)
1st in VORP: 57.9

Our pitching has been dominant, striking out many and walking few. We don't give up many home runs. Our relievers have done well in stranding runners.

Defense
3rd in Defense Efficiency @ .732

We've converted batted balls into outs quite well.

Overall
1st in current likelihood of reaching the playoffs at 74%.
1st in current likelihood of reaching the playoffs (PECOTA adjusted) at 83%

We've played well while the rest of our division has sucked ass. Absolutely meaningless this early in the season, but I thought it was nifty nonetheless.

A Boy Named Seo
May 03 2006 12:12 PM

I know, I know, I know, but still.

Hernandez:
11 GS, 102 IP, 48 TC, 23 PO, 25 A, 0 E, 2 DP, 1.000 FP%, 4.24 RF, .767 ZR

Matsui: 11 GS, 91.1 IP, 57 TC, 30 PO, 27 A, 0 E, 8 DP, 1.000 FP%, 5.62 RF, .864 ZR

Edgy DC
May 03 2006 12:32 PM

Those DP numbers are the most interesting.

Hernandez, I think, turned one of the coolest of the year with Pedro pitching in Washington and me in edgtendance.

Centerfield
May 03 2006 12:35 PM

I'm not sure how we got along before Rotty came around.

Frayed Knot
May 03 2006 01:23 PM

So, if I'm reading Seo's stats correctly, Matsui has (in fewer innings) handled more chances, had more assists, more putouts, and turned more DPs with a better zone rating and range factor than AndyHandy.

But I was told ...

Elster88
May 04 2006 09:14 AM

Longest Met losing streak of the year: 2.

Edgy DC
May 04 2006 11:16 PM

Top relief ERA in baseball? Mets.

Top overall ERA in baseball? Detroit.

Second-best overall ERA in baseball? Mets.

Rockin' Doc
May 05 2006 06:44 AM

You are all just fooling yourselves. This team is going to fold like a cheap tent in a Northeaster. This short period of success is just setting you up for an even bigger disappointment than usual. You can comfort yourselves with useless satistics and win - loss records all you like, but I tell you there is no way this cheap ass organization of incompetents will ever be anything more than a second rate pretender. You are all being duped out of your hard earned money by an ownership that cares only about extracting as much money from you as they possibly can by fielding a team with the illusion of competitiveness. Consider yourselves warned, this team sucks and your koolaid induced stupor has blinded you to the truth.



(sc=99.9999)

Edgy DC
May 09 2006 02:14 PM

Michel Abreu:

TeamGABRH2B3BHRRBITBBBSOSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPS
St. Lucie Mets2923100040200.333.333.444.777
Binghamton Mets10414162024242700.390.409.585.994

Elster88
May 09 2006 02:39 PM

Relation?

Edgy DC
May 09 2006 02:47 PM

To Bobby? Possibly, but I doubt it. Bobby is a Venezuealn native. Michel is from Cuba.

Edgy DC
May 13 2006 01:48 PM

I keep telling Michel to come back to earth, but he isn't having it.

TeamFromToGABRH2B3BHRRBITBBBSOSBCSAVGOBPSLGOPS
St. Lucie4/264/292923100040200.333.333.444.777
Binghamton4/295/12145462140393431000.389.414.6301.044
Total4/265/12166382450393831200.381.409.6031.012

Edgy DC
May 16 2006 06:20 PM

Here's one your can drool over, puke over, or likely dismiss, but the Mets have a pitcher placing first, second, and third in OPS:

1. D Oliver 1.250
2. T Glavine 1.183
3. B Bannister 1.100
4. C Beltran 1.015
5. C Delgado 1.004
6. D Wright .889
7. R Castro .884
8. X Nady .884
9. P Lo Duca .787
10. E Chavez .786
11. C Woodward .717
12. J Reyes .715
13. J Valentin .685

Rotblatt
May 17 2006 04:55 PM

April 2006 (31 K in 39.3 IP) is just the second time since June 2000 (31 K in 39 IP) that Glavine struck out over 30 batters in a month.

September 2005 (34 K in 47.3 IP) is the first time.

Rotblatt
May 18 2006 10:15 AM

Hardball Times has their WS up & running. Nothing too shocking, IMO. Beltran's behind only Abreu & Lee, despite missing some time. Delgado's behind only Pujols & Berkman. Glavine's been the best SP in the NL so far. Petey's lower than I would have thought, but he HAS given up some runs. Wright's behind only Ensberg, and is tied with Encarnacion & Cabrera. Sanchez & Wagner have been among the best relievers. Floyd & Matsui are bad and Lima is atrocious. LoDuca's been solid.

Mets placing in Top 50 in NL
Name / NL Rank / NL Pos. Rank / Net WS
Delgado / 3rd / 3rd 1B/ 8 WS
Glavine / T3rd / 1st SP / 8 WS
Beltran / T9th / T2nd OF / 7 WS
Wright / T17th / T2nd 3B / 6 WS
Petey / T32 / SP / 5 WS
Reyes / T32 / T3rd SS / 5 WS

The rest
Name / NL Pos. Rank / Net WS
LoDuca / T6th C / 3 WS
Matsui / T22nd 2B / 0 WS
Nady / T23rd OF / 4 WS
Floyd / T44th OF / 2 WS
Bannister / T16 SP / 4 WS
Traschel / T31st SP / 2 WS
Zambrano / ? / 0 WS
Lima / ? / -1 WS
Wagner / T6th RP / 3 WS
Sanchez / T6th RP / 3 WS
Heilman / T19 RP / 2 WS
Feliciano / T19 RP / 2 WS
Bradford / ? / 1 WS
Oliver / ? / 1 WS
Bell / ? / 0 WS
Julio / ? / 0 WS
Fortunato / ? / -1 WS

Bench / rest of pen
Chavez / 3 WS
Woody / 1 WS
Valentin / 1 WS
Castro / 1 WS
Franco / 0 WS
Gonzalez / 0 WS
Maine / 0 WS
Diaz / 0 WS
A. Hernandez / -1 WS

Some other notables
Kazmir: 8 WS
Piazza: 3 WS
Cameron: 3 WS
Jake: 1 WS
Bonds: 6 WS
Wiggy: 5 WS