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BLC: Rush vs. Creedence Clearwater Revival

Lundy Apr 13 2006 11:30 AM

Lee, Liefson and Peart challenge Fogerty, Fogerty, Cook and Clifford The Spirit of Radio Red Barchetta Subdivisions Limelight YYZ The Trees Closer To The Heart 2112/The Temples of Syrinx Freewill Tom Sawyer

Willets Point Apr 13 2006 11:42 AM

Cool, another Canadian band for Edgy to heep scorn on. This also means that Parliament can bring the funk.

sharpie Apr 13 2006 11:49 AM

Lundy is also invited to challenge up with the Beach Boys (and/or Steely Dan can request a rematch with REM).

HahnSolo Apr 13 2006 12:03 PM

Other than the fact that I can't stand Tom Sawyer and I think The Trees is a little hokey, that's not a terrible list.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 13 2006 12:46 PM

I thought about introducing Rush just to see where they'd land. One of those bands who will draw some 10-0s and 0-10s I suspect.

Rockin' Doc Apr 13 2006 01:17 PM

When deciding on my second band to sponsor, Rush was one of the three that I considered. I eventually decided to go with CCR. Now I find myself under attack by my castoffs. I was actually hoping that they would be available when my next turn for sponsorship came around. I'm too lazy to create a new line up so we'll go with the same one again. Following the example of Willie, I won't mess with the line up while it's working. Lookin' Out My Back Door Susie-Q Down on the Corner Green River Up Around the Bend Bad Moon Rising Have You Ever Seen The Rain Fortunate Son Who'll Stop the Rain? Born on The Bayou

Edgy DC Apr 13 2006 01:38 PM

How can KC not vote in this one? Rush vs. =green]Creedence Clearwater Revival "The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" "Limelight" vs. "Green River" "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou"

seawolf17 Apr 13 2006 02:03 PM

Interesting matchup. "The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" - RUSH - Perhaps my favorite Rush song. "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" - RUSH "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" - CCR - Guess what? I got a fever. And the only prescription... is more cowbell. "Limelight" vs. "Green River" - RUSH "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" - RUSH "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" - RUSH - Despite "there's a bathroom on the right" being one of the greatest misheard song lyrics ever. "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" - CCR - "IIIIIIIIIII wanna know... have you evah seen the rayyyyn..." "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" - CCR - Another classic from my old garage band days; love this song. "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" - RUSH "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" - CCR - This could go either way, but "TS" is a bit overplayed, and the Foo Fighters ripped on a cover of "Bayou" during the Katrina telethon. So Bayou it is. Canada 6, US 4.

HahnSolo Apr 13 2006 02:31 PM

Stepping away from the tv, because Victor's making me nervous... "The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" - Rush "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" - Rush "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" - Creedence "Limelight" vs. "Green River" - Creedence "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" - Creedence "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" - Creedence "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" - Rush "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" - Creedence "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" - Creedence "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" - Creedence Creedence spots the Canucks a 2-0 lead, comes back with a strong 7-3 win.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 13 2006 03:16 PM

"The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" -- Rush I think is rightly criticized for tending to be icy and soul-less, but ‘Spirit of Radio’ has a cool beginning, a cool riff, cool time-signature changes, a cool breakdown, and a cool ending. It’s just a well-arranged catchy cool song. C’mon. Admit it. "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" --I used to (actually still) tease my Rush-lovin brother that this was Rush’s only love song… and it’s about a car. This song feels like the fast, sleek machine that it’s about, even if it’s a little fruity. Rush wins. "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" --Thematic matchup! Another guilty Rush pleasure! Another upset! "Limelight" vs. "Green River" --This song is really kinda similar to ‘Spirit of Radio’ in the way it sounds and feels, and it’s attempt to comment on what it’s like to be a musician and a regular guy at the same time (“Living in the limelight, the universal dream/for those who wish to seem”). I like this song too. Rush wins. "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" --Bleh to instrumentals. Yay to Fogerty saying “Yeahhhhh!” CCR on the board. "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" --CCR "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" --Another song that might have been a love song but in fact is about machines and the men who run them. Like that’s not, um … CCR, narrowly "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" --FS is just too powerful. CCR roaring back to life. "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" -- “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!” You’re blowing my mind, NEIL. CCR "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" --I’ll never know why Tom Sawyer is Rush’s most popular song. I think it sucks, and it reminds me of Doug Smith, a fat kid in high-school band who learned to play that chromatic “Doo-boo,doo-boo, doo-boo, DOO-boo, doo-boo, doo-boo…” part on his saxophone and never stopped reminding anyone who came within earshot of him. He’s probably out there now playing that part. Loser. BotB is not my favorite CCR tune by a longshot, but wins a narrow victory here. CCR 6, Rush 4

RealityChuck Apr 13 2006 04:04 PM

"The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" -- CCR "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" -- CCR "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" -- CCR "Limelight" vs. "Green River" -- CCR "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" -- CCR "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" -- CCR "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" -- CCR "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" -- CCR "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" -- CCR "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" -- Tie 9.5 - 0.5 to CCR (and the half vote is due to a weak CCR entry). Rush is vastly overrated in any case.

Willets Point Apr 13 2006 05:33 PM

"The Spirit of Radio"vs."Lookin' Out My Back Door" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Red Barchetta"vs."Susie-Q" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Subdivisions"vs."Down on the Corner" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Limelight"vs."Green River" Creedence Clearwater Revival "YYZ"vs."Up Around the Bend" Creedence Clearwater Revival "The Trees"vs."Bad Moon Rising" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Closer To The Heart"vs."Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" Creedence Clearwater Revival "2112/The Temples of Syrinx"vs."Fortunate Son" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Freewill"vs."Who'll Stop the Rain?" Creedence Clearwater Revival "Tom Sawyer"vs."Born on The Bayou" Creedence Clearwater Revival Rush 0:10 Creedence Clearwater Revival Despite appearances I really did try to give Rush a fair shake.

sharpie Apr 14 2006 10:33 AM

I have to echo the 10-0 CCR vote of Willets'. I wanted to vote for a Rush song or two, I really did. It's just that I like my prog-rock English, not Canadian.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 14 2006 10:39 AM

How about some sympathy for the ironic punishment of "Spirit of Radio" being co-opted as a fight song by radio programmers?

sharpie Apr 14 2006 10:40 AM

No, no sympathy. Sorry.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 16 2006 10:48 PM

At the Met game the other nite, my brother the Rush fan checked in with his thoughts: 2112 -- "Top 5 Rush song. ... Best of the progressive era.." Free Will -- "The instrumental break is the most incredible 60 seconds in music. They're all going crazy, but it's not noise." Closer to the Heart -- "Rush fans feel about 'Closer to the Heart" the way Paul McCartney fans feel about "Yesterday." It's OK, not the best. Tom Sawyer -- OK. Peart didn't write the lyrics to this one. Pye DuBois of the Canadian band Max Webster did." Generally, he's OK with the selections of Spirit of Radio, Subdivisions, YYZ, Red Barchetta, 2112 and Limelight, suggests: "New World man" -- Closest thing they ever had to a hit single -- No. 21." "Roll the Bones" Like 'Spirit of Radio', combines a lot of the different things they can do well." Also: "Animate," "Fly by Night" "Cut to the Chaee" "Ghost of a Chance" and "Presto." PS, this contest needs more votes.

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 12:44 AM

Yeah, OK, but you hurt Rush by even invoking "Roll the Bones." Interesting bands in that, as classick rock radio narrowed and narrowed their playlists, the band with the late sixties/early seventies run grew in stature, while the band with the late seventies/early eighties run got shrunk. Despite Rush's clout among metal fans, their art-rockiness got them consigned. And it was unjust, as their fellow art-rockers (Genesis, Yes) adapted to the coming of Nü Wave and video with some ugly disposable crossovers, Rush never did. I mean "Roll the Bones" was the beginning of a downslide but it wasn't a full-on sellout like "Mama" or "Owner of a Lonely Heart." So, now I've got to objectively pick between a band that rawhk radio forgot and a band I wish they'd forget for a decade or so. But what do they have in common? They each had a frontman unlikely to have ever phoned in a vocal performance. "The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" I had a freshman roommate from upstate who was a sad little poser. He never really laughed, but when he heard or saw something he thought he was supposed to laugh at --- the guy listened to the Z-100 Z Morning Zoo, for Pete's sake --- he would go "coo-coo-coo!" as some sort of Duke boys type of "That'll get Boss Hogg's goat!" faux laugh. Strange, but I always associated "Lookin' Out My Backdoor" with Kevin the coo-coo boy. I bet the other members of the suite did also. "Spirit of the Radio" has more hooks than "Don't Stop Believin'" and so sentimentalizes rock stardom and stars that I bet Journey wishes they wrote it. But they didn't, and they couldn't. I've got to give Rush credit here, as it probably knocked young audience goers off their asses for twenty years. ("Concert Hall!") Several movements of lights-go-down-their-back-in-town glory. Round: Rush. Rush leads, 1-0. "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" I once heard Fogarty once distinguish himself from other bands coming out of San Fran at the time by saying his wasn't a band that made people say, "Let's get stoned and listen to a seventeen-minute song." More power to him, but sometimes his blues songs could go on too long themselves. Round: Rush. Rush leads, 2-0. "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" I guess somebody has captured the detachment of the fat suburban misfit teen with the wrong tee-shirt and greasy hair better. But not when I was a suburban mistfit teen... though I had cool hair (sometimes) and cool tee shirts. And I wasn't fat. Round: Rush. Rush leads, 3-0. "Limelight" vs. "Green River" Journey could perhaps have done this one. =red]Tie. Rush leads, 3.5-0.5. "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" Talk about a strong vocal. Fogarty pours everything into this. You ever notice how many of his songs revolved around prepositions? ...up around the bend. Down on the corner Out in the street Lookin' out my back door Run through the jungle Born on the bayou Rollin' on the river The old man lives down the road Put me in, coach It's like this mythic otherness that he's always trying to lead you towards. Only the Drifters, whose romantic otherness was of a more innocent pre-Vietnam type, could give a more preposition-laden greatest hits package. Anyhow, for a guy trying to stay grounded among his psychedelic contemporaries, there a lot of mythic abstraction here: There's a place up ahead and I'm goin' Just as fast as my feet can fly Come away, come away if you're goin', Leave the sinkin' ship behind. =green]Creedence. Rush leads, 3.5-1.5. "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" Two of the three Rush members were virtuosos. Alex Lifeson was the third. The Trees song features him with with a noodling acoustic intro and banging rhythm that seems to show his creative limitations. At any rate, "The Trees never did it for me. "Bad Moon Rising" seems to be like a good Queen song in that when peeps get sick of it in earnest, it still works as a goof. When they get sick of it as a goof, it still has substance. =green]Creedence. Rush leads, 3.5-2.5. "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" There's two things that mean something special musically to a ton of Vietnam veterans --- white ones anyway --- and are unimpeachable. The first is the Kenny Rogers song "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town," and I've heard two vets talk about seeing Kenny live and sitting through the rest of his crappy catalog only to have him ham his way through "Ruby." The other thing is the Creedence catalog --- as if that it was Fogarty's soldier-sympathetic swamp rock that richest part of the supply line that sustained them. None of these Rush songs means to anybody what these three Creedence songs meant to the last generation of American draftees at war. And hearing somebody back home singing those songs meant that their wartime experience lif didn't necessarily divorce them from rest of America. =green]Creedence. Credence leads, 5.5-3.5. "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" Another throat bleeding soulful Fogarty performance beats a smartish sounding, but not smart, art rocker. =green]Creedence. Credence wins, 6.5-3.5.

Lundy Apr 17 2006 09:53 AM

"The Spirit of Radio" vs. "Lookin' Out My Back Door" -- Rush "Red Barchetta" vs. "Susie-Q" -- Rush "Subdivisions" vs. "Down on the Corner" -- Rush "Limelight" vs. "Green River" -- Rush "YYZ" vs. "Up Around the Bend" -- Rush "The Trees" vs. "Bad Moon Rising" -- CCR "Closer To The Heart" vs. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" -- CCR "2112/The Temples of Syrinx" vs. "Fortunate Son" -- Rush "Freewill" vs. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" -- Rush "Tom Sawyer" vs. "Born on The Bayou" -- Rush Rush 8, CCR 2

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 01:09 PM

Forty minutes to go and Creedence is running away with this, 44.5 to 15.5.

Edgy DC Apr 17 2006 01:44 PM

Creedence holds their spot. U-S-A! U-S-A!

sharpie Apr 17 2006 01:52 PM

55-25 is your final score.