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TheOldMole Apr 12 2006 03:36 PM

On my political BB, much discussion of whether Cheney was really booed, and how much. Anyone there? Anyone have a first hand report?

metirish Apr 12 2006 03:42 PM

From CPFer Adam Rubin. ] Delgado opts to stand far from Cheney BY ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER WASHINGTON - Carlos Delgado's opposition to U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are well documented. But the first baseman took a tactful approach when Dick Cheney visited the Mets' clubhouse yesterday, before the VP tossed out the ceremonial first pitch at the Nationals' home opener. Delgado conveniently got busy with pregame preparations as his teammates posed for a picture with Cheney. "I was doing my routine," Delgado said with a smile. "I happened to be somewhere else. Go figure." The Mets' clubhouse recently had been a Republican stronghold, with Al Leiter an aspiring GOP politician and Mike Piazza last year referring to Rush Limbaugh as "American royalty." It's not exactly left-leaning now, but Cliff Floyd identified himself as a Democrat and Xavier Nady said he grew up in a Democratic household. Nady had the VP sign a bat, but later joked: "I'll probably use it tomorrow. It depends how many I go through." At least, the right fielder presumably was joking. Cheney was greeted by more jeers than cheers in the nation's capital as he walked onto the field. Standing on the grass in front of the mound, the VP bounced the ceremonial first pitch to Nats catcher Brian Schneider, the baseball veering slightly to the left. Willie Randolph reminisced about President George W. Bush's emotional first pitch at Yankee Stadium before Game 3 of the 2001 World Series. The President fired a strike to backup catcher Todd Greene after warming up in the Yankees' batting cage. He then shook hands with Rudy Giuliani during a poignant moment. "I still think the President's throw was the best I've seen," said Randolph, then a Bombers coach. "He threw a strike right down the middle after 9/11. That was awesome. No one is going to be able to top that." Originally published on April 12, 2006

sharpie Apr 12 2006 03:43 PM

Salon had a good piece on the flap over the Cheney reception: ]The Post gets an asterisk After a wave of "What game were you watching?" questions from the blogosphere, the Washington Post has changed its tune on the chorus of boos that welcomed Dick Cheney to the Washington Nationals' home opener Tuesday. As we noted yesterday, the Post's initial staff-written report on Cheney's appearance suggested that the booing erupted only after the vice president's ceremonial first pitch came up short. "The first pitch of the Washington Nationals' second season at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium was low and away, bouncing in the dirt before being scooped up by catcher Brian Schneider," the Post's David Nakamura wrote. "For that, Vice President Cheney received a round of boos from the home crowd this afternoon." But it wasn't "for that" that Cheney was booed. The catcalls began the moment that Cheney stepped onto the field, a fact that the Post is now acknowledging in a longer, reworked version of Nakamura's story. The story now says that Cheney was "booed by some as he walked to the mound" and then "got even more catcalls after his throw." That's closer to the truth, and the Post doesn't need to look far to get the real scoop. An Associated Press story posted on the Post's Web site makes it clear that Cheney was "greeted" by boos, and the Post's own Reliable Source column says that Cheney "drew boisterous boos from the moment he stepped on the field until he jogged off." You could look it up. But who would do that?

Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 03:43 PM

Delgado snubbed Chaney. Anna would have given him a lap dance. And a heart attack.

KC Apr 12 2006 03:50 PM

I read somewhere that he registered a 87.654 on the boo index from the moment he took the field. This surprises the crap out of me, afterall he's such a popular public figure. I'm also surprised that there are political BB's out there relishing such a high figure and others saying that such an index is off-the-charts impossible.

Edgy DC Apr 12 2006 03:52 PM

The Post delivered here at 7:30 says he was booed on is way off the field, not claiming it was a consequence of ball-skipping

Edgy DC Apr 12 2006 03:54 PM

Most everybody reported his being booed.

metirish Apr 12 2006 03:58 PM

Should the fans be booing Chaney, he's an old man for christs sake.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 03:59 PM

Evil knows no age limits.

metirish Apr 12 2006 04:00 PM

True, I was taking the piss, with the Beltran booing thread and all.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 04:01 PM

Anyway, with all the perks he's getting, and at taxpayer expense, he should be able to handle the boos without whining! Maybe if we boo him he'll be a better Vice President! We pay him to torture people! Why is he attending a baseball game? He should be out torturing people!!

Elster88 Apr 12 2006 04:02 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Anyway, with all the perks he's getting, and at taxpayer expense, he should be able to handle the boos without whining! Maybe if we boo him he'll be a better Vice President! Sounds absolutely ridiculous doesn't it?

sharpie Apr 12 2006 04:07 PM

Some White House correspondent/apologist was on Imus this morning and she kept referring to "mixed cheers and boos" and Imus would interrupt saying that the level of boos to cheers was enormous. She disputed that over and over again and used the booing was based on bad pitch line as well. Maybe she got the early edition of the Post.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 12 2006 04:10 PM

Three Met Democrats -- basically the heart of the order -- sounds like a lot, as compared to Metpublican teams of recent vintage.

metirish Apr 12 2006 04:11 PM

It's all spin, while everyone is talking about Chaney at the game Bush just bombed the shit outta Iran.....

Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 04:12 PM

That "American royalty" thing is a head-scratcher though.

sharpie Apr 12 2006 04:20 PM

Are there any known Met Republicans left? Or is Omar Minaya purging the team of patriotic players to hire foreigners and Democrats?

Johnny Dickshot Apr 12 2006 04:26 PM

I would guess Steve Trachsel votes the elephant.

metirish Apr 12 2006 04:27 PM

Tom Glavine, even though he's from the Boston area.

Edgy DC Apr 12 2006 04:29 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 12 2006 05:24 PM

David Wright chatted briefly with the Veep and spoke of the experience kindly, perhaps betraying a sympathetic stripe or pehaps just doing the Wright thing.

metirish Apr 12 2006 04:37 PM

That wouldn't surprise me about Wright, with where he grew up and with Dad in law enforcement it wouldn't surprise me if his home was Republican, Turk Wendell surely was one,right?

Bret Sabermetric Apr 12 2006 04:43 PM

]Mike Piazza last year referring to Rush Limbaugh as "American royalty." I knew there was something about Piazza that didn't sit quite right with me.

ScarletKnight41 Apr 12 2006 04:53 PM

metirish wrote: That wouldn't surprise me about Wright, with where he grew up and with Dad in law enforcement it wouldn't surprise me if his home was Republican, Turk Wendell surely was one,right? I believe so. As is Bobby Valentine.

Rotblatt Apr 12 2006 04:55 PM

="Bret Sabermetric"] ]Mike Piazza last year referring to Rush Limbaugh as "American royalty." I knew there was something about Piazza that didn't sit quite right with me. How many times do we have to defend Piazza against your ridiculous accusations, Sal? While yes, Piazza tragically listens to Rush Limbaugh (and enjoys it), that's just one aspect of Piazza's political leanings. In the (far more important) categories of Voting for Democrats, Supporting the Right to Choose, and Being Outraged By the War In Iraq, Piazza's at least average. And let's not forget Piazza's bold move to the Left Coast with all the femi-Nazi's and illegal immigrants--clearly a covert jab at Rush. Jesus, Sal, read between the lines a little.

Yancy Street Gang Apr 12 2006 04:55 PM

I try not to pay attention to the fact that I'm rooting for a bunch of Republicans.

KC Apr 12 2006 05:56 PM

This thread just begs for some shit to start. I'm a registered Independent. I vote very conservatively locally and I get more liberal as the body of gov't gets bigger. I find politics in this country extremely full of crap and both ex- treme sides make me want to me puke. Anyone who sits anywhere and can't wait for shit to happen to Bush and Cheney and pine for the days of Clinton and Gore or thought Kerry and whoever would be better makes me equally nause, er nausa, sick. That's all I have to say on politics and have a pleasant Passover.

Nymr83 Apr 12 2006 07:21 PM

i've been holding my tongue for 2 pages now, cracking jokes about Chaney is just fine but I thought we all wanted to keep the actual discussion of politics out of here?

KC Apr 12 2006 07:24 PM

I was just joking, although most of what I said is what I think. This crap can kill a baseball board in a couple of weeks if it gets out of hand.

Nymr83 Apr 12 2006 07:29 PM

it wasn't you that made me bite my tongue this time. i agree that 90% of politicians on both sides of the aisle are just full of shit.

martin Apr 12 2006 07:54 PM

i adore dick cheney, i actually wish he was president. he may be my favorite current politician. i like him primarily because i don't feel like he is demagogue who would tell me what i want to hear, and i think he only seeks power because he is interested in applying his solutions to whatever. i think this is different than most politicians in they most will do whatever to be in power to be liked and respected. i feel like dick cheney doesnt give a damn if he is liked, and he has a sort-of angry sincerity to him which i like. i should shut up and stick to reading about baseball.

Bret Sabermetric Apr 12 2006 08:29 PM

martin wrote: i should shut up . I fully support some of your opinions.

KC Apr 12 2006 08:56 PM

Down Bret, you're angry but far from sincere.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 12 2006 09:00 PM

Without angering anyone or inserting my opinion... I see where martin's coming from and bret's reply made me LoL. This was about Mets and their politix, I thought that's OK. More hardcore idealologies ought go to the NBF. OE: This IS the NBF, I see. Never mind.

martin Apr 12 2006 09:09 PM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="martin"] i should shut up . I fully support some of your opinions. generally i do keep quiet. i am working my way very slowly into the community. one of these days though, i am gonna explode and out of nowhere be even more pointless and verbose than you.

KC Apr 12 2006 09:12 PM

(oe: posted before reading last post) I thought it was funny too, and my snide response is unecessary. When I read martin's post when the first time, I drew many of the same conclusions that some might parallel to a job, a family, a forum. I fear political stuff here, it got really out of hand some other places. I don't care what everyone's politics are, I'd rather argue over booing. And for the second time today, that's all I have to say.

martin Apr 12 2006 09:20 PM

yeah, politics can be tough, but this is pretty much the most easygoing and thoughtful forum i have seen, you guys could pull it off with civility if anyone could. but then again, politics really isnt worth talking about when you could be talking baseball.

metirish Apr 12 2006 09:23 PM

Martin should post here more, seems like a cool cat.

martin Apr 12 2006 09:26 PM

i'm gonna keep posting until my avatar is mark pelfrey.

seawolf17 Apr 12 2006 09:26 PM

metirish wrote: Martin should post here more, seems like a cool cat. Plus he has an enormous TV.

seawolf17 Apr 12 2006 09:29 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Mark Pelfrey. He's the guy on the right of the photo, at least according to the caption. Photo taken from the Big Brothers Big Sisters of Cleveland County, Oklahoma [url=http://www.csbi.org/bbbs/news/pageant.htm]Web site[/url]. No relation to any Mets prospects, as near as I can tell.

TheOldMole Apr 12 2006 10:27 PM

Too bad. He'd bring some cute chicks with him.

Edgy DC Apr 12 2006 11:45 PM

A forumite once told me to try to keep politics off the board, having seen that break down a lot of communities. That poster was (a) delerious if he/she really thought I had a chance at that, and (b) prone more than most to take political potshots. I vote anybody with a platform of parking reform.

Willets Point Apr 12 2006 11:59 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I vote anybody with a platform of parking reform. Does that mean you vote for those who support the status quo? You know, anytime reform comes up s/he parks it? Hello? Ah, well....

KC Apr 13 2006 07:31 AM

That forumite could easily be many people but just as easily me. I'm over- opinionated, I like to argue, and easily goaded into all types of confrontation. I'm also outnumbered here 10-1 Someone get me Hillary on line 2, I wanna see how she's coming along with that health care reform she was working on as Presidential Partner. Those were the days, the days when things got promised and carried out.

MFS62 Apr 13 2006 07:55 AM

Did anyone notice whether Cheney's pitch went to the right? Later