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Jake Factor +++++

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 05 2019 09:03 AM

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1202619224973332480

Centerfield Dec 05 2019 09:05 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

I'm so sick of Lagares not being able to hit...go get me....Jake Marisnick????

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 05 2019 09:07 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Hey it's a right handed hitting centerfield flycatcher who doesn't hit that great

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 05 2019 09:09 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Deal done for 2 minor leaguers

Centerfield Dec 05 2019 09:18 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Marisnick is not a very good hitter, though I hear he's a terrific fielder. If given the choice, I would have preferred Kevin Pillar.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2019 09:19 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Every team in the NL East: /acquires really good players Mets: /acquire a guy with a .280 career OBP

bmfc1 Dec 05 2019 09:21 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Marisnick https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11339&position=OF Negative WAR for hitting, positive WAR for fielding. https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1202621386155577344

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 05 2019 09:25 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

So Lagares for Lagares and 2 minor leaguers. Actually Marisnick is like a premium-tier Lagares the "Signature Select" beans vs. the national-brand equivalent

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 09:25 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons.

bmfc1 Dec 05 2019 09:31 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1202625279128227843

Centerfield Dec 05 2019 09:33 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Blake Taylor is a hard throwing lefty reliever no? Why give up anyone if Pillar is available for just money?

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 05 2019 09:35 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Kennedy Corona: The refreshing lager that hits your head like a bullet of tropical flavor. Taylor was the guy we received for Ike Davis IIRC

Centerfield Dec 05 2019 09:39 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

That's right. Taylor has bad career numbers, but maybe figured it out in 2019. 2.16 ERA, 1.095 WHIP over three levels. Walks a lot, but strikes out a lot too. Was just protected for the Rule 5, so not a throw away pick. I don't know Kennedy Corona.

Ceetar Dec 05 2019 09:59 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

=Centerfield post_id=27739 time=1575563601 user_id=65] Blake Taylor is a hard throwing lefty reliever no? Why give up anyone if Pillar is available for just money?

Because Marisnick is actually a defensive whiz and Pillar is meh? Grab the better guy for a role if you can get him.

LWFS Dec 05 2019 10:17 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: So Lagares for Lagares and 2 minor leaguers. Actually Marisnick is like a premium-tier Lagares the "] Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons. We're going to be seeing a lot of each other this off-season, aren't we, Running Gag?

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 10:34 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: So Lagares for Lagares and 2 minor leaguers. Actually Marisnick is like a premium-tier Lagares the "] Hey, it's business as usual in free agency for the BINO (Big Market team in Name Only). We get Marisnick, lose Wheeler and, of course, pass on Cole because we're not allowed to sign the very best players. And Michael Cohen might be, oh my, worse than the Wilpons. We're going to be seeing a lot of each other this off-season, aren't we, Running Gag? As long as the Wilpons continue to Wilpon.

Ceetar Dec 05 2019 10:36 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

go ahead, derail the baseball talk with nonsense ownership bathering. This was a reasonable move for a reasonable 5th OFer.

Lefty Specialist Dec 05 2019 10:45 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Beltran knows him from Houston. I can't get too worked up over the 4th/5th outfielder.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 10:50 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

=Ceetar post_id=27758 time=1575567376 user_id=102] go ahead, derail the baseball talk with nonsense ownership bathering. This was a reasonable move for a reasonable 5th OFer.

Yeah, this was all about replacing a borderline major leaguer with a 5th outfielder. Yeah, that's the ticket. So long as you ignore the part about the Mets losing out on two top flight free agent pitchers including a reigning Cy Young award winner -- Jake deGrom's bookend. We could've made history by fielding both reigning CYA winners but we're stuck with the Wilpons which, according to you, we're not allowed to talk about because it doesn't matter.



And good riddance. I can't believe that all those cyber-trees were killed on words for Lagares over the years. A center-fielder, no less. That can barely outhit pitchers. My, how NY has fallen from the days of Mickey, Willie and The Dook. It's unimaginable how much traction a player could get from a Gold Glove won eons ago. Shades of Bernard Gilkey.

Vic Sage Dec 05 2019 11:16 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Gilkey hit well for the mets.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 11:20 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Vic Sage wrote: Gilkey hit well for the mets. Gilkey had but one good year for the Mets. Granted, it was a tremendously good one good year. But he sucked after that. Like, really sucked. Thus, the Lagares comparison.

Vic Sage Dec 05 2019 11:28 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Lagares never hit; Gilkey did.

Edgy MD Dec 05 2019 11:29 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Desi is not the answer!!

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 11:39 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Vic Sage wrote: Lagares never hit; Gilkey did. The point I was making was about players still getting playing time past their expiration dates. Lagares hasn't fielded like he did in his GG days for a while now. And Gilkey sucked other than in '96.

Ceetar Dec 05 2019 11:56 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=27763 time=1575568201 user_id=68] =Ceetar post_id=27758 time=1575567376 user_id=102] go ahead, derail the baseball talk with nonsense ownership bathering. This was a reasonable move for a reasonable 5th OFer.

Yeah, this was all about replacing a borderline major leaguer with a 5th outfielder.




yes, literally. That's what the thread is about, the Mets acquiring another Jake.



Whether or not they sign Ryu is not impacted by this in any way.

Vic Sage Dec 05 2019 12:05 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Gilkey had one of the best seasons in Mets history, then played poorly for 1.5 years after that before going to AZ. Players do sometimes get to play after they've stopped being productive because they were productive at one time. Lagares, however, is an example of a guy who got time even though he was NEVER productive. He had a mediocre season (OPS+102) and won a GG in his 2nd year. He then went on to play parts of 5 more years without even achieving mediocrity. The 2 cases are not analogous. There are few cases analogous to Lagares, who was given a long-term deal because of potential that never developed, yet they kept running him out there.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2019 12:12 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Vic Sage wrote: Gilkey had one of the best seasons in Mets history, then played poorly for 1.5 years after that before going to AZ. Players do sometimes get to play after they've stopped being productive because they were productive at one time. Lagares, however, is an example of a guy who got time even though he was NEVER productive. He had a mediocre season (OPS+102) and won a GG in his 2nd year. He then went on to play parts of 5 more years without even achieving mediocrity. The 2 cases are not analogous. There are few cases analogous to Lagares, who was given a long-term deal because of potential that never developed, yet they kept running him out there. I totally agree with your analysis and I even recognized it as I was making the Gilkey analogy in the earlier Lagares post. I made the analogy anyway because to this day, Gilkey's bad Met years still resonate powerfully with me. I remember clamoring really bad for Gilkey's playing time to be reduced as he was sucking in real time. But I get it. Gilkey deserved and got the benefit of the doubt because his 1996 season was too damn good and not so far removed from his decline. And a manager in that situation has the right to believe it's just a temporary slump.

MFS62 Dec 05 2019 07:56 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Hey it's a right handed hitting centerfield flycatcher who doesn't hit that great He is a "never was" who will never be even a "might be". But I guess for the near term, you need a center fielder or (to paraphrase Casey Stengel) "You're gonna' give up a lot of triples". Later

ashie62 Dec 06 2019 05:26 AM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Lagares set a low bar for Marisnick Gilkey put up some big numbers on bad Mets teams Now, about Mookie Betts...

Edgy MD Dec 06 2019 04:43 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

Losing Kenedy Corona stings. He was on my All-Metly Sounding Prospects Team.

LWFS Dec 06 2019 08:36 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

I've always liked Kenedy Corona... only we called it "daiquiri with extra lime."

Edgy MD Dec 06 2019 09:30 PM Re: Jake Factor +++++

All, Metly-Sounding Mets Prospect Team Zachary Hammer, sp Jordany Ventura, sp Jeffrey Colón, rp Jhon Franco, rp Ryder Ryan, rp Hunter Parsons, rp Endy Rodriguez, c Anderson Bohorquez, 1b Wilmer Reyes, 2b, ut Luis Castillo, ss William Lugo, 3b Boris Minaya, lf Hansel Moreno, cf Jhonny Ventura, rf You see, it's just not the same without Kenedy Corona. Two Queens names in one candy bar!