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Gerrit Cole: Enemy of Decency

G-Fafif
Dec 10 2019 10:18 PM

MFYs sign most desirable free agent pitcher on the market*: 9 years, $324 million.



*Gerrit Cole, not Rick Porcello

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 10 2019 10:44 PM
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I wonder what Cole woulda gotten if he'd won two Cy Young awards?



(Headline from less than a year ago:)



Jacob deGrom's Patience Has Handsomely Paid Off With A Five Year $137.5 Million Contract Extension

kcmets
Dec 11 2019 05:20 AM
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$36 million semololians per year, no-trade clause and no deferred money.

I knew I should have taken my slider more seriously.

41Forever
Dec 11 2019 06:18 AM
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Nine years for a pitcher seems insane.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 11 2019 06:36 AM
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=41Forever post_id=28113 time=1576070287 user_id=69]
Nine years for a pitcher seems insane.



Of course it is. But the Yankees are not afraid to spend around their problems. I'm sure somewhere between now and 2028, Cole will have a serious injury and miss significant time, or have minor nagging injuries that reduce his effectiveness. The Yankees will just overpay for someone else.

bmfc1
Dec 11 2019 06:38 AM
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He can opt-out after 5. Not my $ and insane or not, he's great.

kcmets
Dec 11 2019 06:47 AM
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Opting out of 144 million guaranteed clams in one's middle 30's would be insane

too. I just try and imagine how much money the Yanks make for just one WS home

game and it all adds up in my head.



The Wilpons never got it, they never will...

Ceetar
Dec 11 2019 07:20 AM
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here's hoping those improvements were a product of the Astros and not necessarily transferrable.

Frayed Knot
Dec 11 2019 07:40 AM
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=bmfc1 post_id=28115 time=1576071510 user_id=73]
He can opt-out after 5. Not my $ and insane or not, he's great.



He has been great recently although leading up to then he was more potential than results




YearsSTARTSIPERAERA+WHIPK/9H/9BB/9
2016-17543194.121021.328.39.32.6
2018-19654132.681640.9613.16.22.4




If you're the Yanx you gotta hope that he's just hitting his stride now as opposed to buying high at a trend he's not likely to repeat.

I remember when they dealt for Jeff Weaver they talked about his age (25) and how all his peripheral numbers were trending upward making them not worried about his less-than-good

record in Detroit [39-51; 4.33] even though that was a time when more people did. 'We're smart, you people are dumb' was essentially their mantra on that one. When Weaver turned

out to be not good in the Bronx [5.35 ERA in 32 starts] Cashman's retort was 'Well how was I supposed to know he couldn't handle New York'. That was a lame cop-out Brian. It was your

call, own it.



Now I'm not comparing the two pitchers, Cole is obviously better, only saying that two years is a short trend and that you can count on trends going the way you think it will right up until

you can't anymore and you never know where that point will be. This is the Yanx' third shot at Cole; they drafted him in the first round out of HS [28th overall in 2008 but he spurned

them to go to UCLA] and then tried to deal for him last summer at the deadline. They're spending a lot of money and time in the hope that they're right.

Centerfield
Dec 11 2019 09:49 AM
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"Unsustainable", says the guy selling his team.

smg58
Dec 11 2019 11:35 AM
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More than anything else, it's and indication that the Yankees are going back to the George Steinbrenner era of being the beast when it comes to spending. George's kids had been good soldiers, bringing the Yankees' payroll from 85% of team revenue to 35% (I forget the article where I saw that number) and allowing the rest of the league to keep spending down. Then (a) the players union noticed that revenues have skyrocketed but players' salaries have plateaued, and (b) the Yankees noticed that the 2010s came and went, and the World Series came to New York City once and it wasn't to the Bronx. So now teams are throwing money at players again, and the Yankees are leading the way. The more things change...



As for where that leaves the Mets? I see getting one of Ryu, Bumgarner, or Keuchel as a necessity and not a luxury, and the team had better be prepared to pay. The alternative is accepting fourth place in the division.

Gwreck
Dec 12 2019 01:35 AM
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=41Forever post_id=28113 time=1576070287 user_id=69]
Nine years for a pitcher seems insane.



Why?



The Steinbrenners are billionaires.



They have a wildly successful and immensely

profitable team.



Adding Cole dramatically images their chances of willing repeated championships now. Maybe his contract becomes a sunk cost at the back end of the deal but it's absolutely worth it for the number of good years up front.

ashie62
Dec 12 2019 05:06 AM
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One day Steve Cohen will make a deal like this and we will rejoice

41Forever
Dec 12 2019 06:14 AM
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Buster Olney on the Baseball Tonight podcast said we don't need to play the season. The Yankees are winning 110 games and the World Series. Sucks to be the Rays, and the Red Sox should go through the rebuilding. But, he said, it wasn't about the money.



I gotta stop listening to that.

Edgy MD
Dec 12 2019 08:30 AM
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=Gwreck post_id=28229 time=1576139730 user_id=56]
=41Forever post_id=28113 time=1576070287 user_id=69]
Nine years for a pitcher seems insane.



Why?



The Steinbrenners are billionaires.



They have a wildly successful and immensely

profitable team.



Adding Cole dramatically images their chances of willing repeated championships now. Maybe his contract becomes a sunk cost at the back end of the deal but it's absolutely worth it for the number of good years up front.


Images?



Even for billionaires, there are good investments and bad ones.

MFS62
Dec 12 2019 08:49 AM
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Buster Olney on the Baseball Tonight podcast said we don't need to play the season. The Yankees are winning 110 games and the World Series. Sucks to be the Rays, and the Red Sox should go through the rebuilding. But, he said, it wasn't about the money.



I gotta stop listening to that.


I already don't listen to a grown man who calls himself "Buster"?

Later

Gwreck
Dec 12 2019 02:06 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Images?



Even for billionaires, there are good investments and bad ones.


This investment is in fact good for their image, no? That they're willing to spend money necessary to compete?

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 12 2019 02:36 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Images?



Even for billionaires, there are good investments and bad ones.


This investment is in fact good for their image, no? That they're willing to spend money necessary to compete?


It's much more than simply calculating how much the Yankees can afford to spend. It's that the Yankees stand to gain more from a WS win, or a nice playoff run. And they'll benefit more from the same playoff run that any other team can theoretically have. In other words, a playoff run, or WS win is worth more to the Yankees than to most other teams. Funny how the Mets play in the exact same city yet can't leverage those features. What poetic justice that they're gonna lose their team because as far as Katz's kids are concerned, Jeff Wilpon is the douchebag dick that every baseball insider already knows he is.

Edgy MD
Dec 12 2019 02:44 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Images?



Even for billionaires, there are good investments and bad ones.


This investment is in fact good for their image, no? That they're willing to spend money necessary to compete?


If you think the alleged image boost along with the production they get is worth the value of the contract, then you do. I sure have my doubts.

Gwreck
Dec 12 2019 03:21 PM
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As you are aware, that not what I wrote.



I disagree that it is “insane” to sign Cole to a 9 year contract, and in support of that I cite that management is tremendously wealthy, running a successful and profitable enterprise, and this acquisition provides massive benefit in the short term. As noted, I am of the opinion that this contract could well wind up being a sunk cost at the back end but is worth doing because of the massive benefit now.



I also disagreed with your suggestion that “image” could make this a bad investment.



Why do you think a 9 year contract for Cole is a bad investment? Do you agree that it is “insane?” What are your doubts?

Edgy MD
Dec 12 2019 05:13 PM
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=Gwreck post_id=28335 time=1576189284 user_id=56]
As you are aware, that not what I wrote.



Will you please cut this out? I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent you.