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marte v nimmo

Vic Sage Dec 11 2019 08:46 AM

I read that BVW is still in on getting Sterling Marte, and is considering trading Nimmo to make room for him. I don't get it. Nimmo is younger, has a significantly higher lifetime OPS+ and OPS, and is on an upward trajectory with his prime years just ahead. Marte has been productive, a 20hr/40sb guy with a solid glove in CF, but he's 31. His range has diminished and his SBs are going down (indicators of decline). His speed is his best asset, and it doesn't age gracefully. Then factor in salary and years of control (Marte = $12m/yr for next 2 years; Nimmo = 3 more years of arbitration eligibility) and this becomes a headscratcher, particularly for a team so worried about finances. I'm not saying Nimmo is untouchable. I'm just saying a fulltime Marte in CF vs Nimmo/Marisnick is probably an upgrade but not one that would make much of an impact, so the Nimmo trade would have to net assets that more than make up the difference.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2019 08:49 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Rumor has it that the Pirates would also take on Jed Lowrie and his contract.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2019 08:58 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Even counting that awful, shitty start to last season, I think Nimmo is, at this point, perhaps the third-best player on the team. Maybe fourth, depending on how you feel about McNeil. And he hasn't really played a full season post-to-post. My main concern about him is that he so openly hunts for walks and HbPs that I think umps have turned on him and are starting to increasingly expand the zone against him, probably without realizing they are doing it. As with Starlin Castro, I find that guys with "star" in their name have an artificial premium on the market.

smg58 Dec 11 2019 09:10 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Nimmo had a .995 OPS after returning. And Marte had a bad year defensively (at least according to The Fielding Bible). I think we would dealing the better, cheaper player.

Centerfield Dec 11 2019 09:19 AM Re: marte v nimmo

=smg58 post_id=28135 time=1576080633 user_id=62] Nimmo had a .995 OPS after returning. And Marte had a bad year defensively (at least according to The Fielding Bible). I think we would dealing the better, cheaper player.

Yup.

bmfc1 Dec 11 2019 09:49 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Marte's fielding WAR was 5.2 in 2018 and minus 5.7 in 2019. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/starling-marte/9241/stats?position=OF He was suspended for PEDs (so he and Cano have something in common): https://www.mlb.com/news/pirates-starling-marte-suspended-80-games-c225044864

kcmets Dec 11 2019 10:00 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Nimmo's one of the guys who I'd like to continue to build around, not swap out with Lowrie's contract (as an example) for an older guy and his contract. Infinitely more interested in bullpen, bullpen and bullpen at this point.

seawolf17 Dec 11 2019 10:01 AM Re: marte v nimmo

I cannot for the life of me understand why some percentage of the fan base is so down on Brandon Nimmo.

Centerfield Dec 11 2019 10:47 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Brandon Nimmo Michael Conforto Carlos Beltran Armando Benitez Kevin McReynolds Good players. Seemingly good people. For some reason draw the ire of a large segments of the fan population for some reason. But everyone loves Joe Fucking McEwing.

smg58 Dec 11 2019 10:54 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Marte's fielding WAR was 5.2 in 2018 and minus 5.7 in 2019. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/starling-marte/9241/stats?position=OF\ Maybe it was a down year. Or maybe he was playing through an injury. Or maybe a guy whose value is largely based on his speed makes for a dubious investment once they hit 30.

smg58 Dec 11 2019 10:55 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Marte's fielding WAR was 5.2 in 2018 and minus 5.7 in 2019. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/starling-marte/9241/stats?position=OF\ Maybe it was a down year. Or maybe he was playing through an injury. Or maybe a guy whose value is largely based on his speed makes for a dubious investment once he hits 30.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2019 11:24 AM Re: marte v nimmo

marte v nimmo Can't wait 'til this movie comes out.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2019 11:26 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Zimmo is an Alderson guy, Omar and Fred not done clearing the deck of them yet.

HahnSolo Dec 11 2019 11:43 AM Re: marte v nimmo

=Centerfield post_id=28143 time=1576086472 user_id=65] Brandon Nimmo Michael Conforto Carlos Beltran Armando Benitez Kevin McReynolds Good players. Seemingly good people. For some reason draw the ire of a large segments of the fan population for some reason. But everyone loves Joe Fucking McEwing.

Yes. Throw Lucas Duda in there too.

HahnSolo Dec 11 2019 11:45 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Too many people in the Mets-fan-verse love to run with the narrative that Nimmo is "at best a 4th outfielder." I'm like, what the heck have you been watching? Somebody had a twitter post saying "Mets about to make a trade for Starling Marte that they'll regret in May"

Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2019 11:47 AM Re: marte v nimmo

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Rumor has it that the Pirates would also take on Jed Lowrie and his contract. Ding, ding, ding! Make a bad trade to cover up your bad free-agent signing.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2019 12:02 PM Re: marte v nimmo

I don't hear of too many folks disliking Nimmo or Conforto, certainly not to the degree of the others on that list. The strikeouts are an issue for Nimmo which I'm sure frustrates some fans particularly when he takes borderline pitches for called strikes while looking like he's treating the walk as the goal rather than a fallback option. Fans also tend to get pissed off over injuries, but fans are stupid that way. Now ideally he's not your CF. The other problem is that he's better off not being in RF either but, unless Cepedes can both be healthy AND be cured of his RF-phobia, there's no other place for him right now, or for Dom for that matter. That said, he's not horrid in CF and is still young enough and energetic enough to fake it for another season or two. So while I'd prefer a real CF on the 2020 team, I don't consider it an absolute necessity that he be replaced NOW!!!! On the other hand, you've got to give up talent to get talent and the OF is the likeliest place to at least think about dealing and I'd look into dealing him before I would Conforto.

Chad ochoseis Dec 11 2019 12:12 PM Re: marte v nimmo

I didn't think Lowrie's contract was that much of an albatross. I hat this trade idea. Don't do it, BVW. [YOUTUBE]e5jsUavVPjI[/YOUTUBE]

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 12:27 PM Re: marte v nimmo

I mean this is mostly Martino combining rumors as far as I can tell. If they did acquire Marte it would definitely behoove them to move an outfielder. Nimmo's better, but the idea would be to get more value back for him than you lose in swapping in Marte there. This also assumes playing a lot of Jeff McNeil in the outfield regularly. And Dom Smith, if you don't trade him, which you should.

Vic Sage Dec 11 2019 01:06 PM Re: marte v nimmo

Brandon Nimmo Michael Conforto Carlos Beltran Armando Benitez Kevin McReynolds Good players. Seemingly good people. For some reason draw the ire of a large segments of the fan population for some reason. But everyone loves Joe Fucking McEwing. Nimmo - not hated; just frustrating due to injuries, Ks and perceived "passivity" at the plate. But i think appreciated for his overall hustle, enthusiasm, and high OBP; Conforto - not hated; liked, mostly, but a bit frustrated by his perceived failure to "put it all together" so far. Still, even at his current level, he's pretty darn good; Beltran - hated in some circles, because of his bad 1st year (which set the tone) and the K looking against that Wainright curveball. But is among the best (maybe THE best) position player the Mets have ever had. Benitez - closers are always hated, unless they're somebody else's closer... than they're coveted. He blew games in the WS; nuff said. McReynolds - Similar to Nimmo and Beltran in perceived "passivity" at the plate, but unlike Nimmo and Beltran, he took that "i'd rather be huntin" attitude on the field, into the clubhouse, out in public, and all the way back to Arkansas. Fie upon him -- FIE, I SAY! fans don't like guys who they perceive as not giving a shit. Whatever else you want to say about SuperJoe, he appeared to give a shit. Granted, sometimes this stuff is just a false narrative fueled by the media... but sometimes a player's disinterest just gets picked up on by the fans and they reject the player.

Centerfield Dec 11 2019 01:23 PM Re: marte v nimmo

That sounds mostly right. Adding to the above: Nimmo: Not at all hated, but underrated. Even after putting up great numbers his first few years (especially if you ignore the time he couldn't turn his head), people think he's not great. See above for the 4th OF comment. I'm guessing its the BA fans. Conforto: Exactly right. Frustration that he's not blossomed into the mega-star. What's wrong with that guy. Beltran: Was a superstar! But fans turned on him after the disappointing first year, and maybe the rumor that Boras called the Yankees for an offer before accepting our's. Which is what you'd want any agent to do really. Definitely got backlash for seeming aloof, but Piazza had this too. Strange that Beltran never shook it. Both made last outs of the season, but only Beltran is accused of not caring. Like anyone would not care in that situation. If he chased a bad one, we'd all be killing him for not staying disciplined. You'd think that he'd lose all detractors the minute he played with a broken face. Benitez: Sure, the hiccups hurt, but something about his demeanor made fans turn on him even more than normal. McReynolds: I think I was too young to notice any off-field demeanor.

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 01:31 PM Re: marte v nimmo

Benitez was a nutjob taking like long voodoo baths or something?

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 01:33 PM Re: marte v nimmo

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G-Fafif Dec 11 2019 05:28 PM Re: marte v nimmo

Maybe Benitez was just having a bad day, but I don't know if “good people” covers him (January 2001). Mets RHP Armando Benitez is to surrender next week on a third-degree assault charge filed by his former girlfriend, New York police said yesterday. Benitez, a former Oriole, will be arrested Monday at the 109th Precinct, said Lt. John Shatinsky, who heads the precinct's detective squad. Benitez is to be accompanied by his lawyer. Third-degree assault is a misdemeanor. Mets Senior Vice President David Howard said Benitez's surrendering was an expected step and declined to comment further. Stacey O'Neill, Benitez's former girlfriend, filed a complaint at the precinct on Jan. 3, alleging Benitez punched her and left her neck with a scar from a scratch on Oct. 18, an off-day between the National League Championship Series and the World Series, in which the Mets lost to the Yankees in five games. She said he attacked her at their Queens, N.Y., home. In the police report, O'Neill said she did not alert police at the time because she was afraid of Benitez. On Tuesday, Baltimore prosecutors announced that a domestic abuse case filed against Benitez by O'Neill had been dismissed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2001/01/25/mets-benitez-will-be-arrested-monday/f31a3f01-c2de-4a3f-aaef-25baffec6dcd/

nymr83 Dec 11 2019 06:44 PM Re: marte v nimmo

Both made last outs of the season But Piazza hit the ball hard, and for just a moment you all thought he'd sent us to extra innings when Beltran struck out it was just that you froze, like he froze, and you couldnt believe it was over because he didnt even swing

LWFS Dec 11 2019 10:49 PM Re: marte v nimmo

Marte isn't, like, a crazy-good center fielder any more. Maybe not even a center fielder, really. Anyway, he's about as much of one as Nimmo is. Who, again, is cheaper. And a little better, maybe. With room for improvement, somewhat. Why are we doing this again?