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bmfc1 Dec 11 2019 02:10 PM

https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1204870061955010560 https://www.fangraphs.com/players/michael-wacha/14078/stats?position=P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wacha https://static.decalgirl.com/assets/designs/large/wocka.jpg>

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2019 02:14 PM Wacha wocka

Mets close to a 1 year deal with St. Louis FA righty Michael Wacha, Shermanator says An all-star several years ago, coming off a crap year, big guy who doesn;t throw very hard, known for his change-up.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2019 02:16 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Oh, you beat me to the punch and had a Fozzie Bear pic. I'm old, white and slow. Wacha wouldn;t be the worst 5th starter type out there but he's not Zach Wheeler.

bmfc1 Dec 11 2019 02:19 PM Re: Wacha wocka

Ahem!

bmfc1 Dec 11 2019 02:20 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

I'm old, white and listening to Martino and Gelbs via Twitter. https://twitter.com/Jacob_Resnick/status/1204872007797612544

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 02:22 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

he's a fine flyer guy. What can you do with him Hef?

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2019 02:28 PM Re: Wacha wocka

This thread is officially cancelled due to low ratings

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2019 02:32 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

We've got a winner if he can only reverse the career-low velocity and K/9, and the career-high ERA, FIP, xFIP and SIERA. On the bright side, he will make $9M. Wait, what did we do?

Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2019 02:34 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

A Boy Named Seo wrote: We've got a winner if he can only reverse the career-low velocity and K/9, and the career-high ERA, FIP, xFIP and SIERA. On the bright side, he will make $9M. Wait, what did we do? Really. Wacha is dreck. Had potential once, but no more.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2019 02:39 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Lefty Specialist wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: We've got a winner if he can only reverse the career-low velocity and K/9, and the career-high ERA, FIP, xFIP and SIERA. On the bright side, he will make $9M. Wait, what did we do? Really. Wacha is dreck. Had potential once, but no more. Mike Pelfrey 2.0.

Centerfield Dec 11 2019 02:41 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Garbage WHIP. Even when he was in his prime.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2019 02:46 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

So the question to be answered is whether Stroman/Wacha > Wheeler/Vargas???? Stay tuned to this station to find out.

Centerfield Dec 11 2019 02:50 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Frayed Knot wrote: So the question to be answered is whether Stroman/Wacha > Wheeler/Vargas???? Stay tuned to this station to find out. Let's hope so. Because the Wheeler-Vargas rotation finished 50-55.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2019 02:56 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Frayed Knot wrote: So the question to be answered is whether Stroman/Wacha > Wheeler/Vargas???? Stay tuned to this station to find out. =Centerfield post_id=28181 time=1576101006 user_id=65] Frayed Knot wrote: So the question to be answered is whether Stroman/Wacha > Wheeler/Vargas???? Stay tuned to this station to find out. Let's hope so. Because the Wheeler-Vargas rotation finished 50-55.

Wasn't it Wheeler/Stroman, though, when the Mets were world-beaters for a couple months?

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2019 02:58 PM Re: Wacha Wacha Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2019 03:03 PM

=Centerfield post_id=28181 time=1576101006 user_id=65]Let's hope so. Because the Wheeler-Vargas rotation finished 50-55.

I was thinking more of for one year since that's all we're guaranteed of with Stroman & Wacha

Wheeler/Vargas wound up 17-13 with an ERA right about 4.00 in 2019. Their combined WHIP ~ 1.26; BB/9 ~ 2.8; K/9 between 8 & 9; and HR/9 a bit over 1.0

So that's kind of the target range for Stroman/Wacha to match.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2019 03:00 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Wasn't it Wheeler/Stroman, though, when the Mets were world-beaters for a couple months? Not sure about 'World-beaters', but certainly better during that time even though it was the result of many factors.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2019 03:01 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Let's hope so. Because the Wheeler-Vargas rotation finished 50-55. Frayed Knot wrote: I was thinking more of for one year since that's all we're guaranteed of with Stroman & Wacha Wheeler/Vargas wound up 17-13 with an ERA right about 4.00 in 2019. Their combined WHIP ~ 1.26; BB/9 ~ 2.8; K/9 between 8 & 9; and HR/9 a bit over 1.0

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 11 2019 03:02 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

That's what gets me about the Mets. It's like they try to get an average guy with something to prove as a 5th starter, and never seem to consider that getting 4 No. 1s and a No. 2 would be a better solution. There's nothing wrong with having a few average guys with something to prove, but maybe they need to be the last resort and the first. Anyway, word is Wacha took the deal to sing for his supper both this year and in next year's FA market. He is getting just $3M but with incentives up to $10M and of course hits the market again next year at 29 so still channce for him. Not hating on him or the Mets for that.

bmfc1 Dec 11 2019 03:08 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

The important thing is that they got him for cheap. If he's good, he'll earn it and if not it's walking-around money for Jeffy. https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1204882956122148864

A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2019 03:10 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

That's a lot different than the $9M I saw in the first thing I read.

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 03:26 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

it's junk change. They absolutely shouldn't hardwire him to a rotation spot (though I'm sure they implied it to him, and anyone else they're slow playing), but in it of itself? Whatever. It looks like it's been control issues (walk issues at any rate ,without digging deeper) the last two years for the most part. If they think they can address that? great, he's league averagish to slightly better.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2019 03:34 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Wacha's slowball is his fastball. Also, the incentive clause is that the Mets'll pay Wacha whatever Gerrit Cole's making if Wacha fans 600 batters in 2020. Plus, the Mets were all set to sign Cole until Sandy Alderson put a gun to Fred's head and threatened to pull the trigger unless the Mets instead signed Wacha. It's Michael Cuddyer all over again. To tell you the truth, the only Mets news I'm looking for these days is stuff about Steve Cohen. And more anecdotes about how much Katz's kids think Jeff Wilpon is a dick. Because that Kaz Matsui story can't possibly be the only one.

kcmets Dec 11 2019 04:16 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Not familiar witn Fozzie, wacha wacha makes me hear Pac Man.

dinosaur jesus Dec 11 2019 05:16 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

https://external-preview.redd.it/-TNsKxiRa50FjcH9W4V6JZkkn-SvprcODPCjGovstE8.jpg?auto=webp&s=72ef762ca9b20db7f878e3f494f898699a3d9c59>

Ceetar Dec 11 2019 06:31 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=28197 time=1576103650 user_id=68] Wacha's slowball is his fastball. Also, the incentive clause is that the Mets'll pay Wacha whatever Gerrit Cole's making if Wacha fans 600 batters in 2020. Plus, the Mets were all set to sign Cole until Sandy Alderson put a gun to Fred's head and threatened to pull the trigger unless the Mets instead signed Wacha. It's Michael Cuddyer all over again. To tell you the truth, the only Mets news I'm looking for these days is stuff about Steve Cohen. And more anecdotes about how much Katz's kids think Jeff Wilpon is a dick. Because that Kaz Matsui story can't possibly be the only one.

then bugger off, this is a baseball thread.

nymr83 Dec 11 2019 06:38 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=28197 time=1576103650 user_id=68] Wacha's slowball is his fastball. Also, the incentive clause is that the Mets'll pay Wacha whatever Gerrit Cole's making if Wacha fans 600 batters in 2020. Plus, the Mets were all set to sign Cole until Sandy Alderson put a gun to Fred's head and threatened to pull the trigger unless the Mets instead signed Wacha. It's Michael Cuddyer all over again. To tell you the truth, the only Mets news I'm looking for these days is stuff about Steve Cohen. And more anecdotes about how much Katz's kids think Jeff Wilpon is a dick. Because that Kaz Matsui story can't possibly be the only one.

whats the Matsui story?



Wacha would be a great addition, as a 6th guy if they'd kept Wheeler.

MFS62 Dec 11 2019 06:51 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

I prefer this waka waka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntn1-SocNiY Later

41Forever Dec 11 2019 07:04 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

whats the Matsui story? G-FAFIF posted a link to a balanced Times story about the Wilpons, with large sections about the challenges of working with Jeff. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/spor ... cohen.html Tensions between Jeff Wilpon and his relatives have been brewing for years. Many of them work with Sterling Equities, the family's closely held umbrella company, but the baseball team, which last won a World Series in 1986 — before the family took full control — was largely Jeff's domain. For years, some family members have questioned his choices behind the scenes. In 2003, for example, Jeff and his father called on Jeff's younger brother, Bruce, who is fluent in Japanese, to help pursue the free-agent infielder Kazuo Matsui. Soon after Matsui joined the Mets in 2004 and reported to spring training, he injured his finger. Jeff Wilpon was adamant that Matsui play in televised spring training games to build excitement for the season after a last-place finish a year earlier. Bruce was more protective of Matsui and urged caution. The disagreement came to a head when Jeff, seeing a promotional opportunity, wanted Matsui on the field. Bruce pushed back. The argument grew heated and ugly, as Jeff dug in. After that, Bruce rarely, if ever, was involved with the team again. Such accounts of the family and its decision to sell are based on interviews with more than a dozen people with direct involvement with the Wilpon family and the Mets, nearly all of whom asked not to be identified so as not to damage their relationship with the family. Through a spokesman, Fred and Jeff Wilpon declined to comment.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2019 07:13 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

=Ceetar post_id=28202 time=1576114271 user_id=102] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=28197 time=1576103650 user_id=68] Wacha's slowball is his fastball. Also, the incentive clause is that the Mets'll pay Wacha whatever Gerrit Cole's making if Wacha fans 600 batters in 2020. Plus, the Mets were all set to sign Cole until Sandy Alderson put a gun to Fred's head and threatened to pull the trigger unless the Mets instead signed Wacha. It's Michael Cuddyer all over again. To tell you the truth, the only Mets news I'm looking for these days is stuff about Steve Cohen. And more anecdotes about how much Katz's kids think Jeff Wilpon is a dick. Because that Kaz Matsui story can't possibly be the only one.

then bugger off, this is a baseball thread.


Sure. Because Steven Cohen buying the Mets is not a baseball story. And the Mets futzing around with Michael Wacha when Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg and Zack Wheeler were available has nothing to do with the inability of tbe Mets owners to run the team liike a team that plays in New York City oughtta be run.



What are you ... Jeff Wilpon's secret gay lover?

Edgy MD Dec 11 2019 07:53 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Let us please not go there. Let us speak only of our own gayness.

kcmets Dec 11 2019 08:14 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=28208 time=1576116797 user_id=68]What are you ... Jeff Wilpon's secret gay lover?

I'm gay for the Mets haha

Edgy MD Dec 11 2019 08:55 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

There you go. Now, I'm not saying I'm gay, but my favorite players to this day are Dick Pole and Johnny Dickshot, and I don't feel like I should have to apologize for that.

Fman99 Dec 11 2019 08:57 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

I love all you fruity sumbitches.

Gwreck Dec 11 2019 08:58 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Wacha is a player you take a flyer on when you want to have some extra depth as a long man and he's inexpensive if you have to cut him. He's not a replacement for Zack Wheeler. Not even close. If the Mets are intending a 2020 starting rotation of DeGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Stroman, and Wacha, then they are not serious about fielding a winning team.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2019 09:55 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

It think it's a pretty good rotation, and the beginning of the season is fifteen or sixteen weeks off. It's also not really locked in as such.

LWFS Dec 11 2019 10:35 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

The good news is, $3M guaranteed is pretty cheap. The bad news is, it's appropriate. And that it has a significant nonzero chance of being the only non-minor-league-deal attempt to shore up our starting staff. He's always been much more of a weak swings/contact inducer than a wipeout-K-guy; if he's getting hit, he's getting lit. And as a changeup guy with a recurrent shoulder issue and an increasingly-straight fastball...

Gwreck Dec 12 2019 01:29 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

Edgy MD wrote: It think it's a pretty good rotation, and the beginning of the season is fifteen or sixteen weeks off. It's also not really locked in as such. The Mets were a “pretty good” team last year with a better rotation. We shouldn't settle for “pretty good.” On your second point, that's exactly the point I was making: they're not good enough yet, but there is time to fix the problem. Yes, they missed out on signing Wheeler, Strasburg, and/or Cole. Those were missteps by Brodie and ownership. There are still opportunities to correct course.

bmfc1 Dec 12 2019 05:40 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

Last season, the Mets had their starting 5 pitch in order from the first game of the spring without having anyone else "stretch out" or have a turn as a starter (with one or two exceptions at the end of the Spring). The Mets then had the good fortune not to be hit with major injuries to their starters. I suggest that they not do that again and have a few others (including Lockett and Oswalt) pitch for more than 2 innings, especially with Wacha injury history.

Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2019 06:34 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

I feel better with Wacha at $3 mil + incentives than I do with $9 mil. But he's still a dumpster dive. This is a team that had no major injuries to their starting rotation, had the Cy Young award winner, the major league top home run hitter, and still only won 86 games. The odds that those three events all reoccur in 2020 is small. So getting worse when you swap out Wheeler for Wacha in a division that's been loading up is not exactly a recipe for success. Steve Cohen can't get here fast enough.

seawolf17 Dec 12 2019 06:39 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

Lefty Specialist wrote: I feel better with Wacha at $3 mil + incentives than I do with $9 mil. But he's still a dumpster dive. This is a team that had no major injuries to their starting rotation, had the Cy Young award winner, the major league top home run hitter, and still only won 86 games. The odds that those three events all reoccur in 2020 is small. So getting worse when you swap out Wheeler for Wacha in a division that's been loading up is not exactly a recipe for success. Steve Cohen can't get here fast enough. Yup. But at least when we're fifteen games out in July we can trade him to a contender for an 18-year-old low-A middle infielder.

MFS62 Dec 12 2019 06:41 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: We've got a winner if he can only reverse the career-low velocity and K/9, and the career-high ERA, FIP, xFIP and SIERA. On the bright side, he will make $9M. Wait, what did we do? Really. Wacha is dreck. Had potential once, but no more. Mike Pelfrey 2.0. Actually, I thought Ed Lynch. And when I looked them up, Ed's career WHIP was 1.360 and Wacha's is 1.325. Pelfrey's was 1.510. Later

Edgy MD Dec 12 2019 08:15 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

Edgy MD wrote: It think it's a pretty good rotation, and the beginning of the season is fifteen or sixteen weeks off. It's also not really locked in as such. The Mets were a “pretty good” team last year with a better rotation. We shouldn't settle for “pretty good.” Well, we're not discussing the team here, or the organization, but one unit at one point in time, in December. I think there's a lot to be said for not locking in to one alignment certainly at this point.

Gwreck Dec 12 2019 03:12 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

I thought I was very clear, but in case I wasn't, the Mets shouldn't settle for a “pretty good” rotation.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2019 05:00 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

I'm certain that nothing I wrote suggested you were unclear. So why the problem?

G-Fafif Dec 13 2019 01:11 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Mets make Wacha signing official, kick Chris Mazza off the roster to make room for Michael.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 13 2019 01:42 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1205582569380536320 Matz to the bullpen? Syndergaard in megatrade?

Ceetar Dec 13 2019 01:51 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

they're just humoring him. ;-) Earn it and start though, go ahead.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2019 02:05 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

it's not every day I get to imagine a guy named "Anthony Di Como" using the word "y'all."

kcmets Dec 13 2019 02:15 PM Re: Wacha Wacha

Youse'all can add it up when they trade Noah for some player who was some- what good 2014-16 before they got injured or banned for PED's.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 15 2019 09:03 AM Re: Wacha Wacha

Wacha posts a Topps-style faked look in his new uni. Doesn't include a number as Ces has 52. Paddy Power is taking action on what uni he turns up in: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1205613049140387841/85LhwWeu_400x400.jpg>