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Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Centerfield Dec 16 2019 01:29 PM

First off, his name. Shocked to find out he's not Dillon Betances, but rather Dellin Betances. Also, walks a lot of batters. Nice ERA and WHIP throughout his career though. Brodie says no more reliever upgrades, but you have to figure he's on the Mets' radar.

Ceetar Dec 16 2019 01:33 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

in fact, the 'no more relievers' quote may have been specifically targeted at Dellin. (in the playing hard to get way)

smg58 Dec 16 2019 02:31 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

He only has 3 WAR over his past three seasons, so there's a real limit to what I'd guarantee in salary for his upside. But he's been close to unhittable when healthy. I'd probably go $5M, with generous incentives.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2019 03:11 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Yeah, he lost his shit in the second half of 2017 and then lost essentially the entire 2019 season to injuries (I forget what specifically was the problem) which is too bad because the Yanx not only refused to pay him what he was worth to them but they insulted him in the process. He always walked a lot but at his worst his BB/9 was nearing 7/per even as his H/9 and K/9 numbers remained ridiculously low and high. That said, I think BVW probably means what he says about no more FA relievers. Between Diaz, Familia, Wilson, Lugo, and Gsellman, you really have no place to slot another "main" pen arm unless you're going to clear one of more of the incumbents out and if they were to do that they'd be selling low on several of them (most notably Dia-milia) for a guy you hope you wouldn't be doing to same thing with at this point next year.

seawolf17 Dec 17 2019 07:11 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

No. Hard pass.

Centerfield Dec 17 2019 08:29 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Frayed Knot wrote: That said, I think BVW probably means what he says about no more FA relievers. Between Diaz, Familia, Wilson, Lugo, and Gsellman, you really have no place to slot another "main" pen arm unless you're going to clear one of more of the incumbents out and if they were to do that they'd be selling low on several of them (most notably Dia-milia) for a guy you hope you wouldn't be doing to same thing with at this point next year. I'm not sure I understand your math. Even with those 5, there are still two more slots, even with a 12 man pen. You figure one spot has to go to a second lefty, but why is there no room for Betances? On Edit: I guess you have to add the loser of the Porcello/Wacha 5th Starter battle to the pen as well. Still, Betances could be the 12th guy, or the 13th if you want to carry two lefties.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2019 09:55 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

With a 26-man roster now, they'll likely go with 13 pitchers, leaving 2 open slots in the pen, but that's not the math that matter$. BVW is not signing another FA reliever because he won't run the risk of paying the minimal salary cap tax they'd be exposed to. They already spent most of the $19m saved on Cespedes by signing 2 5th starters (instead of a 3rd starter and a solid reliever). ladies and gentlemen, your 2020 NY Mets pitching staff: DeGrom Syndegaard Stroman Matz* Porcello Diaz Lugo Wilson* Familia Gsellman Wacha _____ * _____

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2019 10:12 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Can't pin the roster down just yet, not only because it's December and the Mets'll likely make more moves, but because of the new 26 man roster rules that go into effect beginning next season. As part of those new roster rules, MLB will set a cap on the number of pitchers a team can carry on the 26 man roster -- a number yet to be determined. That number might be 12. Also, teams are going to have to designate players as either pitchers or non-pitchers: Furthermore, the number of pitchers a club can carry on the active roster will be capped (maximum number TBD). To adhere to that rule, clubs will have to designate each player as either a pitcher or a position player prior to each player's first day on the active roster for a given season. That designation cannot change for the remainder of the season. Position players will not be allowed to pitch except in the following scenarios: • They are designated as a "Two-Way Player." A player can only qualify for this designation if he accrues at least 20 Major League innings pitched and at least 20 Major League games started as a position player or designated hitter (with at least three plate appearances in each of those games) in the current or prior season. • A game goes into extra innings. • A player's team is losing or winning by more than six runs when he enters as a pitcher. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/26th-man

Ceetar Dec 17 2019 10:40 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

yeah, i hate that garbage designation nonsense trying to legislate away problems that don't exist. Betances walks too many.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2019 11:35 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Dylan has seen a lot mutations. It's is starting to be the Welsh version of what Séan is to Irish names.

Frayed Knot Dec 17 2019 02:03 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Frayed Knot wrote: That said, I think BVW probably means what he says about no more FA relievers. Between Diaz, Familia, Wilson, Lugo, and Gsellman, you really have no place to slot another "main" pen arm unless you're going to clear one of more of the incumbents out and if they were to do that they'd be selling low on several of them (most notably Dia-milia) for a guy you hope you wouldn't be doing to same thing with at this point next year. I'm not sure I understand your math. Even with those 5, there are still two more slots, even with a 12 man pen. You figure one spot has to go to a second lefty, but why is there no room for Betances? Sure you need more than five guys, but is Bettances going to sign up to be the sixth/seventh man out of the pen? Or, additionally, are the Mets going to pay whatever it takes to get him only to slot him behind the above-mentioned guys? That's why I used the term "main" bullpen arm because there are always guys shuffling in and out of those 12th to 13th guy on the staff positions. But I can't see a guy, one with a lengthy resume as an 8th/9th inning arm and still supposedly in his prime, filling one of those slots unless no one trusts that his 2019 physical issues are behind him. And if that's the case then why would we want him? Somebody the other day -- Sherman/NY Post? -- was advocating for him but my problem with his logic is that he seemed to assume that Bettances finding his previous form was only a matter of when rather than if while at the same time treating Diaz & Familia as if last year labels them as proven failures never to be trusted again. iow, he was advocating for the Mets to sign Bettances with the idea of making him their #1 guy. I don't see it.

Centerfield Dec 17 2019 02:31 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

His role in the bullpen, like all other roles, should be dictated by his performance. If I had to assign roles right now, I'd say he's the Lugo Off Day 8th inning guy.

Frayed Knot Dec 17 2019 03:31 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Yes roles should be determined by performance. But when dealing with FAs both the player and the team have to have some kind of idea of that role is going to be before a deal is struck. Not that you'd write that role into the contract or make goofy promises but that the two sides would need to be on the same page as to the general level of reliever he's likely to be before coming to an agreement. -- If he's the alternate Lugo then you're saying he's around the 3rd best guy in the bullpen. Is that something he's going to accept or does a guy who has had stretches of closing think he can do better? -- Are the Mets willing to pay him as a Top-three kind of guy? Are they ready to declare that someone who pitched just 2/3 of an inning in 2019 and had stretches prior to that where he'd face 20 batters over a several game span and wind up walking 10 of them while racking up months where his OBA-against was pushing .400, deserves to be slotted in ahead of Familia and Justin Wilson? Maybe. But if that's going to be the case then I'm suggesting that somebody, or maybe several somebodies, needs to be demoted and/or dealt to make that happen because high-priced relievers resigned to mopping up in blowouts is hardly an ideal way to structure a bullpen and I'm not so sure why he's the better candidate to bounce back for 2020 and beyond than what they've got now.

LWFS Dec 17 2019 07:44 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Why are so many people talking about Dellin Betances as the last gal at the Bullpen Improvements Dance, when Will Harris is, like, right there by the punch bowl? You guys are, like, so rude.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2019 08:57 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Bring back Collin McHugh!

LWFS Dec 17 2019 09:12 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

You'd be buying low, but sure. And Daniel Hudson? Did he get his hair did and shave his legs for this?

Centerfield Dec 18 2019 07:22 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Betances has the highest upside, but comes with the biggest risk, coming off an Achilles injury that didn't need surgery (do those just heal?). So he's like the super hot, completely psycho, low cut red dress-wearing, probably going to crash your car and leave you for your best friend reliever everybody can't stop staring at. I was going to say Will Harris is more of a plain Jane, but then I looked at his stats and he's pretty terrific. WHIP numbers are great. So I guess he's the super pretty reliever that no one knows is super pretty because he wears glasses and pulls his hair back in a pony tail. 35 though. So those good looks won't be here for long. Hudson's not in the same class. He had a good year last year, but that's the first time his ERA was under 4 since 2015. As recently as 2017, he had a Wacha-like WHIP of 1.459. So I guess he's the fat chick that lost a lot of weight recently, but you kinda feel like he still likes his doughnuts.

Johnny Lunchbucket Dec 18 2019 08:14 AM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

Tendons like the achilles can and do "grow back" after a tear if properly treated and not aggravated while healing, that's why the injury takes a long time to recover from. And if you do the right things (stretch & strengthen the leg/foot muscles) you can survive like before. Many people (like me) who get an achilles injury in one leg can just as easily get one in the other so it's something you need to manage.

LWFS Dec 18 2019 05:56 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

So what you're saying is... it takes careful tendin' [Bow tie spins] [Ducks under crooked stick poking from offstage] [Gesticulates wildly at McHugh, who even in a down year, actually did REALLY well when pitching from the pen]

MFS62 Dec 18 2019 07:57 PM Re: Things I didn't know until just now about Dellin Betances

=LWFS post_id=28625 time=1576716986 user_id=84] So what you're saying is... it takes careful tendin' [Ducks under crooked stick poking from offstage]

You can duck, and run.

But eventually we will catch you and you will get everything you deserve for tha ..... uh, good one.

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