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Beltran Watch

G-Fafif Jan 15 2020 12:46 PM

From the Times: But according to a person with direct knowledge of the investigation who requested anonymity to discuss details that had not been made public, Beltran was named because he was a central figure at the outset of the operation, in which electronic equipment was used illegally to steal the opposing catchers' signs. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/sports/baseball/carlos-beltran-astros-cheating-scandal.html

G-Fafif Jan 15 2020 12:52 PM Re: Beltran Watch

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Mets are “wavering” on whether they should stick by Beltran in the wake of these scandals. Olney broke the news on Sportscenter on Wednesday. https://wfan.radio.com/articles/news/mets-reportedly-wavering-on-keeping-carlos-beltran

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 15 2020 12:55 PM Re: Beltran Watch

A video also surfaced this morning of Joey Cora remarking how Beltran was the MFYs most valuable acquisition (wink!) after they racked up dozens of runs over two games during the London series. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/CLoprestiWFAN/status/1217430561079418882[/TWEET]

seawolf17 Jan 15 2020 01:21 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I was honestly looking forward to having him manage the team, but the more I think about it, the more I fall on the side of letting him go. There are just too many questions.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 15 2020 01:47 PM Re: Beltran Watch

He's in danger of being Wally Backmanned. So... if he gets fired before the season starts, does he retain his position as the 22nd Mets manager, with the new guy being number 23, or is it like it never happened, and the new guy will be 22? I know someone who maintains a Mets database, and he may have to make some kind of determination regarding how to record this.

cal sharpie Jan 15 2020 01:50 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I would say that it never happened. Just as someone who manages one game gets to be called a manager even if he is an interim, I think someone who manages no games doesn't get to be called one.

kcmets Jan 15 2020 02:00 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I'd say at least one pitch has to be thrown or it never happened.

G-Fafif Jan 15 2020 02:15 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Building a rationale... https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1217545480923688961?s=21

stevejrogers Jan 15 2020 02:23 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He's in danger of being Wally Backmanned. So... if he gets fired before the season starts, does he retain his position as the 22nd Mets manager, with the new guy being number 23, or is it like it never happened, and the new guy will be 22? I know someone who maintains a Mets database, and he may have to make some kind of determination regarding how to record this. I'd wait to see what official (MLB, Mets) listings say. Backman isn't listed as a Diamondback skipper. Hell, Bill Belichek is never called a “former HC of the NYJ” or listed among Jet Head Coaches despite his infamous resignation note and press conference!

Benjamin Grimm Jan 15 2020 02:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

It does make sense to refer to Wally Backman and Arizona as a precedent. Thanks.

41Forever Jan 15 2020 03:35 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Journalism in 2020: NJ.com is quoting someone who claims to be Beltran's niece tweeting that he is resigning as Mets manager. https://www.nj.com/mets/2020/01/mlb-rumors-mets-carlos-beltran-stepping-down-as-manager-due-to-astros-cheating-scandal.html

kcmets Jan 15 2020 03:42 PM Re: Beltran Watch Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 15 2020 04:09 PM

I don't anyone thinks it's journalism, they're simply reporting stuff that was tweeted. Your prez's tweets are reported on hourly many day, no one thinks that's journalism either.

kcmets Jan 15 2020 04:00 PM Re: Beltran Watch

It's re-tweeting not using Twitter.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 15 2020 04:07 PM Re: Beltran Watch

If he does resign, I would hope that at least one of the tabloids would have a headline of VANISH TAKEE!

Theoldmole Jan 15 2020 04:08 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I know this is a dumb question, but I was away from the news for a while. What exactly were the electronic tools the Astros used to steal signs?

Centerfield Jan 15 2020 04:09 PM Re: Beltran Watch

If the Mets fire him, I'm going to be interested to see if they also release JD Davis. And if not, an explanation as to why there is different treatment for the 2017 teammates.

kcmets Jan 15 2020 04:13 PM Re: Beltran Watch

From the other thread: Boiled down timeline of the cheating scandal here.

Edgy MD Jan 15 2020 04:29 PM Re: Beltran Watch

As a big fan of the Jets' Bill Belichick era, I'm not down with the pretend-it-never-happened strategy. Beltran got to do stuff. He got to use the parking space and cards printed and help recruit Brian Schneider and Dellin Betances and stuff. Tim Tebow spent the whole offseason trying to re-work his whole marketing strategy without the number 15. Hensley Muelens became the Mets bench coach and Eduardo Perez had to take the offer from TCBY, while Tim Bogar bought up tickets to follow the big Third Eye Blind tour through the spring into the summer. These things happened, man. They did.

LWFS Jan 15 2020 04:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I mean, he's an asterisk. Hired-but-never-managed. Anyway, more importantly, if Beltran is out... who's likely in? Luis Rojas? Tony DeFrancesco? Mike Bell?

TransMonk Jan 15 2020 04:42 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Edgy MD wrote: Tim Tebow spent the whole offseason trying to re-work his whole marketing strategy without the number 15. BOC

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 15 2020 08:07 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Centerfield post_id=29796 time=1579129763 user_id=65] If the Mets fire him, I'm going to be interested to see if they also release JD Davis. And if not, an explanation as to why there is different treatment for the 2017 teammates.

Well JDD wasn't mentioned in the report, I think Manfred including Beltran was a signal to the Mets to take action; Fred always does what the commish wants; and probably would prefer to have Terry back anyhow.



I've got 20 Cranebucks on Terry II

LWFS Jan 15 2020 08:39 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Think Eddy Perez would take El Esta Aqui's sloppy seconds?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 15 2020 09:15 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I think he would but won't get the offer. I think Fred goes all in on Terry. Loves old white guys and more suspicious than ever of everyone else.

G-Fafif Jan 16 2020 12:02 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He's in danger of being Wally Backmanned. So... if he gets fired before the season starts, does he retain his position as the 22nd Mets manager, with the new guy being number 23, or is it like it never happened, and the new guy will be 22? I know someone who maintains a Mets database, and he may have to make some kind of determination regarding how to record this. No word overnight, but Jim Kern and Jorge Orta are reportedly excited to play for Carlos Beltran.

seawolf17 Jan 16 2020 06:45 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If he does resign, I would hope that at least one of the tabloids would have a headline of VANISH TAKEE! This would be the most amazing thing ever to happen in journalism and would pre-emptively win the 2020 Headline Contest immediately.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 07:48 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If he does resign, I would hope that at least one of the tabloids would have a headline of VANISH TAKEE! This would be the most amazing thing ever to happen in journalism and would pre-emptively win the 2020 Headline Contest immediately. I'm totally missing this. What does VANISH TAKEE mean?

kcmets Jan 16 2020 08:00 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Yeah, over my head and rolling to the wall...

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 08:24 AM Re: Beltran Watch

it's a play on words of an inside joke of a misunderstanding of spanish lyrics (Beltran's walk-up music, El Esta Aqui) from 15 years ago.

LWFS Jan 16 2020 08:44 AM Re: Beltran Watch

I feel like we explain this on here to someone, like, once every 9-12 months. #bulletproofcoffee #gingkobiloba Anyway... figures that we'd take the slow boat to an announcement, with copious leaks and low-level/anonymous employees leaking their opinions to the media. Verrry on-brand, as the young'uns say. Now, if they let him go, it looks all the more as if they got bullied into this. If they stand behind him, it looks mealy-mouthed rather than strong, no matter what's said. In concerning themselves first and foremost with public opinion, they fuck themselves in the court of public opinion.

bmfc1 Jan 16 2020 08:56 AM Re: Beltran Watch

My Beltran watch says that it's 15:15 on the dot.

kcmets Jan 16 2020 09:00 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=LWFS post_id=29826 time=1579189471 user_id=84]I feel like we explain this on here to someone, like, once every 9-12 months.

My slip into senility is going quite smoothly, thank you.

LWFS Jan 16 2020 09:02 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=kcmets post_id=29833 time=1579190410 user_id=53] =LWFS post_id=29826 time=1579189471 user_id=84]I feel like we explain this on here to someone, like, once every 9-12 months.

My slip into senility is going quite smoothly, thank you.


I feel like half the time I enter a room these days, I have no idea why I came to that room.

Edgy MD Jan 16 2020 09:16 AM Re: Beltran Watch

And that room is The Crane Pool. Pow!

dgwphotography Jan 16 2020 09:31 AM Re: Beltran Watch

I think the Mets are huddling with their lawyers to see if they can fire him without having to actually pay him. If they can. He's gone.

dgwphotography Jan 16 2020 09:32 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Building a rationale... https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1217545480923688961?s=21 Integrity is a buzzword with the Mets. Just not something the Wilpons actively practice.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 16 2020 09:49 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Jessica Mondoza checks in with an idiotic take on how wrong it was for Mike Fiers to spill the beans. Whack her while we're at it.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 10:46 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Mike Voccaro says Beltran should not be fired -- unless he lied to the Mets if they asked about it. [url]https://nypost.com/2020/01/16/why-the-mets-shouldnt-fire-carlos-beltran/

kcmets Jan 16 2020 11:07 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Carlos quits according to Mad Dog.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 16 2020 11:09 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Yep Twitter's blowin up w/ Beltran steps down tweets.

Edgy MD Jan 16 2020 11:13 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Jeff Wilpon is here to talk about Qualcomm."

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 16 2020 11:14 AM Re: Beltran Watch

I gotta say I'm relieved. I had misgivings about naming him in the first place.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 11:17 AM Re: Beltran Watch

I think he had great potential. Tough situation for someone to walk into, knowing they were not the first choice and had been passed over by other teams as well.

Centerfield Jan 16 2020 11:17 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Stepping down. So Jeff didn't even have the balls to fire him. Fuck these guys.

Vic Sage Jan 16 2020 11:17 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Its kind of funny how the Mets were forced to undo their bad decision. Now lets see how badly they handle the upcoming manager search.

Centerfield Jan 16 2020 11:19 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Vic Sage wrote: Its kind of funny how the Mets were forced to undo their bad decision. Now lets see how badly they handle the upcoming manager search. https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.charitybuzz.com/images/312827/original.jpeg?1507651306>

whippoorwill Jan 16 2020 11:22 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Personally I think this whole mess is bullshit

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2020 11:24 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Beltran should've PIVOTED. He needs to take some PR lessons. Then get up before the podium and just change the subject. He should've had a press conference about the Pelopynesian Wars or something. Talk about how we're all working together and how it's a shame all this negative talk about negative stuff. I bet anything that by the end of that presser, everybody and the whole wide world would've forgotten that there even was an Astros sign-stealing scandal.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 11:26 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Stepping down. So Jeff didn't even have the balls to fire him. Fuck these guys. You don't think he was fired? I think he "stepped down" the way Cora "stepped down."

Centerfield Jan 16 2020 11:31 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Stepping down. So Jeff didn't even have the balls to fire him. Fuck these guys. You don't think he was fired? I think he "stepped down" the way Cora "stepped down." Oh, I think he was fired. What I meant was that Jeff didn't have the guts to come out and say "we fired him".

Willets Point Jan 16 2020 11:37 AM Re: Beltran Watch

So does Beltran get a watch as a parting gift?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2020 11:40 AM Re: Beltran Watch

If Steve Cohen coming on board was a sure thing, the Mets might be able to attract some really good top tier managerial candidates --- for a change.

LWFS Jan 16 2020 11:42 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Building a rationale... https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1217545480923688961?s=21 Integrity is a buzzword with the Mets. Just not something the Wilpons actively practice. INTEGRITY (In 'teh gri tee) Dithering just long enough over a difficult decision that it's taken out of your hands, or gives you semi-plausible cover; leaking gossip anonymously when you defame, so as to not be directly responsible in any attributable way "I know some of you have been counseling rash, decisive action, but hey, let's show some integrity here, and he just might resign our way out of this." -Excepted from Wilpon's Dictionary, Fifth Ed.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 11:45 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Stepping down. So Jeff didn't even have the balls to fire him. Fuck these guys. You don't think he was fired? I think he "stepped down" the way Cora "stepped down." Oh, I think he was fired. What I meant was that Jeff didn't have the guts to come out and say "we fired him". Team just issued a statement saying they met with Carols last night and this morning and "agreed mutually to part ways." Same thing as the Red Sox said.

Centerfield Jan 16 2020 11:48 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Stepping down. So Jeff didn't even have the balls to fire him. Fuck these guys. You don't think he was fired? I think he "stepped down" the way Cora "stepped down." Oh, I think he was fired. What I meant was that Jeff didn't have the guts to come out and say "we fired him". Team just issued a statement saying they met with Carols last night and this morning and "agreed mutually to part ways." Same thing as the Red Sox said. I take back my earlier criticism. It's clear that they fired him but offered him the chance to resign to save the embarrassment of being fired. I know revert to criticizing the decision only and not the manner in which the decision was delivered to the public.

bmfc1 Jan 16 2020 11:59 AM Re: Beltran Watch Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 16 2020 12:04 PM

Good. I was looking forward to watching him manage but they didn't need the distraction during ST and then during the season. Was he going to have credibility with the players? The focus is supposed to be on the team, not your tainted manager who doesn't have a track record to support the aggravation. "Hey Pete! did Beltran get you the sign?" How was he supposed to lead with what he did in Houston on everyone's mind? They didn't need it, not after he was the only player mentioned in the Report. This was the right move and it should have been done two days ago. The fallout from the report sucks for us and for the Mets. HOU and BOS fans can still be happy with their Championships. We got nothing.

41Forever Jan 16 2020 12:00 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Good statement from Beltran. "Over my 20 years in the game, I've always taken pride in being a leader and doing things the right way, and in this situation, I failed," Beltran said in a statement given to ESPN. "As a veteran player on the team, I should've recognized the severity of the issue and truly regret the actions that were taken. "I am a man of faith and integrity and what took place did not demonstrate those characteristics that are so very important to me and my family. I'm very sorry. It's not who I am as a father, a husband, a teammate and as an educator. The Mets organization and I mutually agreed to part ways, moving forward for the greater good with no further distractions. I hope that at some point in time, I'll have the opportunity to return to this game that I love so much."

bmfc1 Jan 16 2020 12:09 PM Re: Beltran Watch

What if Beltran made that statement in person, other than the last line, the day after the report was issued? Would we be at this point today?

LWFS Jan 16 2020 12:17 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I wonder if he wanted to. I wonder if he was counseled not to, by a colleague or work superior.

nymr83 Jan 16 2020 12:22 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29870 time=1579199077 user_id=68] Beltran should've PIVOTED. He needs to take some PR lessons. Then get up before the podium and just change the subject. He should've had a press conference about the Pelopynesian Wars or something. Talk about how we're all working together and how it's a shame all this negative talk about negative stuff. I bet anything that by the end of that presser, everybody and the whole wide world would've forgotten that there even was an Astros sign-stealing scandal.

I rarely agree with you but... he should have hired Sarah Sanders!

41Forever Jan 16 2020 12:23 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=bmfc1 post_id=29887 time=1579201785 user_id=73] What if Beltran made that statement in person, other than the last line, the day after the report was issued? Would we be at this point today?

That's a tough call, because we don't know what was going on behind the scenes. But I do think the sooner you get out with something like that, the better off you are.

nymr83 Jan 16 2020 12:23 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Building a rationale... https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1217545480923688961?s=21 Integrity is a buzzword with the Mets. Just not something the Wilpons actively practice. Jeff: "we need integrity around here, and its not going to come from me so ..."

Edgy MD Jan 16 2020 12:26 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Conscious uncoupling.

dgwphotography Jan 16 2020 02:18 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Building a rationale... https://twitter.com/nypost_mets/status/1217545480923688961?s=21 Integrity is a buzzword with the Mets. Just not something the Wilpons actively practice. INTEGRITY (In 'teh gri tee) Dithering just long enough over a difficult decision that it's taken out of your hands, or gives you semi-plausible cover; leaking gossip anonymously when you defame, so as to not be directly responsible in any attributable way "I know some of you have been counseling rash, decisive action, but hey, let's show some integrity here, and he just might resign our way out of this." -Excepted from Wilpon's Dictionary, Fifth Ed. BOC =Inigo Montoya]"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

ashie62 Jan 16 2020 02:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Amazin all around

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 02:37 PM Re: Beltran Watch

fuck the media 100 ways to sunday, seriously. Can we get some real reporters to cover baseball that aren't out to get a guy fired for not being truthful to them about a situation that was currently under investigation by MLB? I didn't think I could lose any more respect for Joel Sherman. he sure showed me. asshole.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2020 03:17 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=29921 time=1579210660 user_id=102] fuck the media 100 ways to sunday, seriously. Can we get some real reporters to cover baseball that aren't out to get a guy fired for not being truthful to them about a situation that was currently under investigation by MLB? I didn't think I could lose any more respect for Joel Sherman. he sure showed me. asshole.

But now there's an opportunity for a new manager to be hired. And he'll be a METS manager. So how 'bout that!? And then you can defend the new METS manager all nuts and all no matter what he does Because he'll be a METS manager. Managing other METS. And God help anybody who criticizes any MET. Wish 'em into the cornfield, all those haters.



So think of the next METS manager who wouldn't otherwise get the chance to be a METS manager without this sudden opening.

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 03:35 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29923 time=1579213028 user_id=68] =Ceetar post_id=29921 time=1579210660 user_id=102] fuck the media 100 ways to sunday, seriously. Can we get some real reporters to cover baseball that aren't out to get a guy fired for not being truthful to them about a situation that was currently under investigation by MLB? I didn't think I could lose any more respect for Joel Sherman. he sure showed me. asshole.

But now there's an opportunity for a new manager to be hired. And he'll be a METS manager. So how 'bout that!? And then you can defend the new METS manager all nuts and all no matter what he does Because he'll be a METS manager. Managing other METS. And God help anybody who criticizes any MET. Wish 'em into the cornfield, all those haters.



So think of the next METS manager who wouldn't otherwise get the chance to be a METS manager without this sudden opening.


fuck off. I will defend him to idiots like you and Joel Sherman who criticism him for stupid reasons because Jeff blinked twice or something. Either way it'll be the second choice and that's not good process.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 16 2020 04:06 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=29924 time=1579214112 user_id=102] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=29923 time=1579213028 user_id=68] =Ceetar post_id=29921 time=1579210660 user_id=102] fuck the media 100 ways to sunday, seriously. Can we get some real reporters to cover baseball that aren't out to get a guy fired for not being truthful to them about a situation that was currently under investigation by MLB? I didn't think I could lose any more respect for Joel Sherman. he sure showed me. asshole.

But now there's an opportunity for a new manager to be hired. And he'll be a METS manager. So how 'bout that!? And then you can defend the new METS manager all nuts and all no matter what he does Because he'll be a METS manager. Managing other METS. And God help anybody who criticizes any MET. Wish 'em into the cornfield, all those haters.



So think of the next METS manager who wouldn't otherwise get the chance to be a METS manager without this sudden opening.


fuck off. I will defend him to idiots like you and Joel Sherman who criticism him for stupid reasons because Jeff blinked twice or something. Either way it'll be the second choice and that's not good process.


I didn't read the Joel Sherman article, but even so, I'll guarantee that Joel Sherman didn't get anybody fired. There are some reports that Beltran was one of the masterminds of the cheating scheme. If that's true, Beltran should get a lifetime ban from baseball. Lifetime. Cheating on, I dunno, dozens of games. And an entire post-season run. And to you, that's nothing. And I'm the idiot? You've lost your mind. This whole ban is a fucking joke if you ask me, anyways. Fining a multi-billionaire $5 million. That's like Burger King lunch money to those guys. What's next? They're gonna take away his eleventh car? OK, granted, that's the biggest fine MLB can impose. But that's still a joke. That's a rule passed by the same multibillionaires who run the game. Draft picks? That's two years worth of picks that usually don't pan out and the current Astros are one of MLB's best franchises. I predict they'll be mostly untouched competitively by this penalty.

nymr83 Jan 16 2020 04:11 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Manfred did the most he could under the rules to punish the Astros as a team imo. not his fault the fines are limited, those are still his bosses at the end of the day and while many of them will grumble that Crane wasn't punished enough they wont vote to increase the max penalty because one day THEIR coaches and players will cheat.

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 04:21 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I didn't read the Joel Sherman article, but even so, I'll guarantee that Joel Sherman didn't get anybody fired. There are some reports that Beltran was one of the masterminds of the cheating scheme. If that's true, Beltran should get a lifetime ban from baseball. Lifetime. Cheating on, I dunno, dozens of games. And an entire post-season run. And to you, that's nothing. I don't know if he wrote an article, probably, clickbait and all that. If him and his ilk didn't get on their high horse about Beltran not mentioning the investigation when he was hired and a constant barrage for the past few days about how he has to answer for this thing that the investigation decided not to charge him for. But not, they whined and complained and wondered what Beltran knew and why wouldn't he speak about it and OMG HE SAID HE KNEW NOTHING. so yeah, Joel and the other assholes did in fact get him fired. Jeff all but admitted when he said "when they saw the extent to which he was mentioned in the report" which, as we know, was once. the same amount as the New York Yankees. Also 'cheating'. For one, EVERYONE is doing it. for another, knowing the signs is not a crime. Yes, it's breaking a rule to do it electronically, for some reason, and even though everyone knew they were doing it no one bothered to obscure their signs? So fuck if I care, they tried to gain an edge by acquiring knowledge that's not against the rules to know. I literally do not care about that, nor do I care about steroids for that matter. As far as I can see, the playing field was still level and the games were still fair. So fuck all to the rest of it. But most of all to Sherman who tweeted he absolutely didn't suggest someone should get fired while constantly tweeting about whether or not he should be fired.

Mex17 Jan 16 2020 05:43 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Even for an organization that has come to be known for inexplicable, mind numbing, incompetency, this one takes the cake. They could have hired literally anyone else, all of whom had actual managerial experience on some level or another. Instead, they went with the entitled superstar with no managing or official coaching experience anywhere because he just felt like trying it out (but only on the Major League level and only in the city that he likes to spend time in because, hey, he's Carlos Beltran). And now look how it blew up in their faces. They get caught up in one of the Top Three scandals ever to engulf the game of baseball (Black Sox and steroids being the other two), and they did not even participate or benefit from it.

Edgy MD Jan 16 2020 05:52 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Nobody has experience until they do. And experienced guys have plenty of skeletons in their closets, too. As for "the Top Three scandals ever to engulf the game of baseball," I'll happily disagree with that. They could have hired literally anyone else, all of whom had actual managerial experience on some level or another. Please review this sentence.

LWFS Jan 16 2020 06:00 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I mean, they could have hired me. I don't have any managerial experience. [Smirks nerdily] [Pushes glasses up bridge of nose]

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 06:08 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Beltran was a good choice and still is. This probably isn't even top three sign stealing scandals

dgwphotography Jan 16 2020 06:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=LWFS post_id=29943 time=1579222819 user_id=84] I mean, they could have hired me. I don't have any managerial experience. [Smirks nerdily] [Pushes glasses up bridge of nose]

No experience, but that clubhouse spread would have been top-notch...

nymr83 Jan 16 2020 08:03 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=29944 time=1579223297 user_id=102] Beltran was a good choice and still is. This probably isn't even top three sign stealing scandals

Why was he a good choice?

LWFS Jan 16 2020 08:19 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=29944 time=1579223297 user_id=102] Beltran was a good choice and still is. This probably isn't even top three sign stealing scandals

I mean, three managers and a GM have lost jobs, two of the last three WS champions have been implicated, and we may not be done yet.

Ceetar Jan 16 2020 08:57 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=nymr83 post_id=29954 time=1579230238 user_id=54] =Ceetar post_id=29944 time=1579223297 user_id=102] Beltran was a good choice and still is. This probably isn't even top three sign stealing scandals

Why was he a good choice?


He's always been a leader, a good teacher, he's a smart baseball guy that understands how the game works, appreciates sabermetrics, is well respected, bilingual...

Edgy MD Jan 17 2020 05:57 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Jessica Mondoza checks in with an idiotic take on how wrong it was for Mike Fiers to spill the beans. Whack her while we're at it. Mendozy's got a hell of a conflict of interest here, doesn't she? She's serving both as a decision-maker within baseball and a commentator on MLB decisions.

seawolf17 Jan 17 2020 06:52 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Not for nothing, but remember how we acquired Jake Marisnick despite the fact that he can't hit major league pitching? He and Beltran *were* teammates on that Astros team. I don't know what that means, but I wonder how involved Marisnick was and whether that made him such an offseason priority.

Ceetar Jan 17 2020 06:58 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Not for nothing, but remember how we acquired Jake Marisnick despite the fact that he can't hit major league pitching? He and Beltran *were* teammates on that Astros team. I don't know what that means, but I wonder how involved Marisnick was and whether that made him such an offseason priority. That'd be a very Mets way to go about sign stealing "Hey, lot's not develop our own system for this very simple thing, let's just grab some retread(s)? Were Carlos and J.D. like, this "computer" stuff. so weird man. Actually that's maybe not true. These guys were actually decoding the signs, not just reading them. Maybe Marisnick was good with pattern recognition or whatever so why not have a 25th guy on teh roster that's gonna be able to hop back tothe video room plenty and is good at decoding the pitcher's apparently garbage deceptions.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 17 2020 07:16 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Edgy MD wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Jessica Mondoza checks in with an idiotic take on how wrong it was for Mike Fiers to spill the beans. Whack her while we're at it. Mendozy's got a hell of a conflict of interest here, doesn't she? She's serving both as a decision-maker within baseball and a commentator on MLB decisions. and acts as though she's bound by neither. She's shitting on the game and on the media but is employed by both

Benjamin Grimm Jan 17 2020 07:39 AM Re: Beltran Watch

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seawolf17 Jan 17 2020 07:41 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Not for nothing, but remember how we acquired Jake Marisnick despite the fact that he can't hit major league pitching? He and Beltran *were* teammates on that Astros team. I don't know what that means, but I wonder how involved Marisnick was and whether that made him such an offseason priority. That'd be a very Mets way to go about sign stealing "Hey, lot's not develop our own system for this very simple thing, let's just grab some retread(s)? Were Carlos and J.D. like, this "computer" stuff. so weird man. Actually that's maybe not true. These guys were actually decoding the signs, not just reading them. Maybe Marisnick was good with pattern recognition or whatever so why not have a 25th guy on teh roster that's gonna be able to hop back tothe video room plenty and is good at decoding the pitcher's apparently garbage deceptions. Right? That's kinda what I'm saying. I fully admit that it's a stretch, and if I was a journalist I wouldn't publish it, but it seems like there are dots there that may or may not connect.

dgwphotography Jan 17 2020 08:00 AM Re: Beltran Watch

This is absolute gold: https://twitter.com/jquadddddd/status/1218021838443438081?s=21

Centerfield Jan 17 2020 08:30 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Applause.

LWFS Jan 17 2020 07:39 PM Re: Beltran Watch

A damn delight.

Willets Point Jan 18 2020 03:10 PM Re: Beltran Watch

I lost it at Syndergaard.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 18 2020 07:24 PM Re: Beltran Watch

clever and charming

nymr83 Jan 20 2020 05:34 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Video today of the Astros shelling Stroman, garbage can banging clearly audible. Stroman pissed. This is why Beltran could not stay, how would you like the guy who cheated you to be your new boss?

Ceetar Jan 20 2020 05:37 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=nymr83 post_id=30188 time=1579566844 user_id=54] Video today of the Astros shelling Stroman, garbage can banging clearly audible. Stroman pissed. This is why Beltran could not stay, how would you like the guy who cheated you to be your new boss?

my offense taking every advantage they can? where can I sign up?

LWFS Jan 20 2020 06:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Whether you agree or not about its seriousness, the Astros' actions-- players included-- seem to have crossed a pretty serious line in the sand for a lot of MLBers, judging from the vast majority of the dozens who've responded publicly (and that's just the Twitter-active ones). It's not hard to imagine that being a source of friction between an active participant in the cheating (regardless of how active you believe that to be, or how much it matters) and a player he's trying to motivate and direct, especially if said active participant is a little light in the experience-cum-authority department anyway.

Ceetar Jan 20 2020 08:09 PM Re: Beltran Watch

yeah and the vast majority of MLB players are idiots too. Didn't a lot of pitchers get all whiny about steroids too even though they were just as roided up, if not more? Hell, plenty of pitchers get all up in arms about the shift too, even though they're dead wrong about it hurting them. Plenty of players have come out and been all like "hey, like, those other guys do this too"

Edgy MD Jan 20 2020 08:27 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Plenty of players have come out and been all like "hey, like, those other guys do this too" As far as I know, none since Billy Bean in 1999.

nymr83 Jan 20 2020 08:31 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=30189 time=1579567069 user_id=102] =nymr83 post_id=30188 time=1579566844 user_id=54] Video today of the Astros shelling Stroman, garbage can banging clearly audible. Stroman pissed. This is why Beltran could not stay, how would you like the guy who cheated you to be your new boss?

my offense taking every advantage they can? where can I sign up?


and the legality is irrelevant? Where can I send your Trump2020 bumper sticker?

Ceetar Jan 21 2020 05:45 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=nymr83 post_id=30209 time=1579577486 user_id=54] and the legality is irrelevant? Where can I send your Trump2020 bumper sticker?

Beltran was not punished by the league. The league sent down their punishment.

LWFS Jan 21 2020 08:35 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=30206 time=1579576150 user_id=102] yeah and the vast majority of MLB players are idiots too. Didn't a lot of pitchers get all whiny about steroids too even though they were just as roided up, if not more? Hell, plenty of pitchers get all up in arms about the shift too, even though they're dead wrong about it hurting them.

Whether or not they're right-- much like whether or not you're just being reactionary here-- is irrelevant, and isn't what I was arguing. What was under discussion was whether Beltran staying would have been an issue with his players. It's very, very likely that it would have been a problem with a significant enough number of them to get in the way.

Ceetar Jan 21 2020 08:55 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=LWFS post_id=30219 time=1579620938 user_id=84] =Ceetar post_id=30206 time=1579576150 user_id=102] yeah and the vast majority of MLB players are idiots too. Didn't a lot of pitchers get all whiny about steroids too even though they were just as roided up, if not more? Hell, plenty of pitchers get all up in arms about the shift too, even though they're dead wrong about it hurting them.

Whether or not they're right-- much like whether or not you're just being reactionary here-- is irrelevant, and isn't what I was arguing. What was under discussion was whether Beltran staying would have been an issue with his players. It's very, very likely that it would have been a problem with a significant enough number of them to get in the way.


bullshit. it absolutely wouldn't have. This is just pitchers complaining about having a bad outing, or complaining about losing. How many assholes and 'cheaters' and 'enemies' do you think end up playing with each other all the time. Eyes forward, on the prize, new season, new team, this stuff would've been water under the bridge.

41Forever Jan 21 2020 09:05 AM Re: Beltran Watch

=Ceetar post_id=30221 time=1579622108 user_id=102] =LWFS post_id=30219 time=1579620938 user_id=84] =Ceetar post_id=30206 time=1579576150 user_id=102] yeah and the vast majority of MLB players are idiots too. Didn't a lot of pitchers get all whiny about steroids too even though they were just as roided up, if not more? Hell, plenty of pitchers get all up in arms about the shift too, even though they're dead wrong about it hurting them.

Whether or not they're right-- much like whether or not you're just being reactionary here-- is irrelevant, and isn't what I was arguing. What was under discussion was whether Beltran staying would have been an issue with his players. It's very, very likely that it would have been a problem with a significant enough number of them to get in the way.


bullshit. it absolutely wouldn't have. This is just pitchers complaining about having a bad outing, or complaining about losing. How many assholes and 'cheaters' and 'enemies' do you think end up playing with each other all the time. Eyes forward, on the prize, new season, new team, this stuff would've been water under the bridge.


Didn't seem like it was water under the bridge to Stroman.

Ceetar Jan 21 2020 09:19 AM Re: Beltran Watch

I said would've been. Funny how working together towards a common goal makes you care less about nebulous things from years ago.

Centerfield Jan 21 2020 12:42 PM Re: Beltran Watch

=nymr83 post_id=30209 time=1579577486 user_id=54] =Ceetar post_id=30189 time=1579567069 user_id=102] =nymr83 post_id=30188 time=1579566844 user_id=54] Video today of the Astros shelling Stroman, garbage can banging clearly audible. Stroman pissed. This is why Beltran could not stay, how would you like the guy who cheated you to be your new boss?

my offense taking every advantage they can? where can I sign up?


and the legality is irrelevant? Where can I send your Trump2020 bumper sticker?


Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

stevejrogers Feb 05 2023 03:35 PM Re: Beltran Watch

And The Mole, not to be confused with The Old Mole, is now leaving YES for an unspecified role in the Met front office! My guess? Stevie wants to ensure a Met NY on Beltran's eventual HOF plaque. [url]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/mets-to-hire-carlos-belt ran-for-front-office-role.html

stevejrogers Feb 05 2023 03:49 PM Re: Beltran Watch

While for good reasons, that mid-00s run has been looked upon negatively in the nearly 20 years since Omar and Willie were hired. Kind of intriguing to see the creeping back of that era's legacy with a few players at OTD, and Beltran back in the fold.

metirish Feb 05 2023 04:18 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Link above isn't working so I'm linking this https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2023/02/05/carlos-beltran-leaving-yes-network-for-mets-front-office-job/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16756390238588&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2023%2F02%2F05%2Fcarlos-beltran-leaving-yes-network-for-mets-front-office-job%2F Anyway, good to have him back

G-Fafif Feb 06 2023 02:51 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Martino with a detailed dive into how and why Beltran has returned. https://www.sny.tv/articles/francisco-lindor-steve-alex-cohen-yankees-carlos-beltran-mets

nymr83 Feb 06 2023 05:48 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Martino with a detailed dive into how and why Beltran has returned. https://www.sny.tv/articles/francisco-lindor-steve-alex-cohen-yankees-carlos-beltran-mets Because the Yankees suck? and somehow a fanbase that listens to Stearling and Waldman thinks they have any authority to label another broadcaster as not good?

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2023 02:49 PM Re: Beltran Watch

Beltran and the YES TV booth was not a good fit. Probably not all his fault: his English isn't great; the YES booth is often over-crowded leaving each guy scant time to sound insightful; he, along with co-newbie Cameron Maybin, came off as diversity hires when they were thrown into the deep end of the pool with scant MFY connections and seemingly little or no prep work. But if that stands as a first step for Carlos in his rehab towards a job in a front office then maybe it wasn't lost time after all. Maybin hooked on with the Tiger booth this winter (his first club) so somebody must see something in him too.

nymr83 Feb 08 2023 07:11 AM Re: Beltran Watch

Yeah, from Beltran's perspective after losing the Mets manager job he had to be thinking that any job with a team was a good job for a year just to remove the taint of hiring him