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Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

stevejrogers Jan 22 2020 10:40 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2020 12:07 PM

MetPolice caught a happy 70th birthday tweet and Instagram post of the HOF entrance by Matlack's son as evidence of a forthcoming induction announcement. [TWEET]https://twitter.com/dannymatlack/status/1219824297025265664?s=21[/TWEET] [url]https://www.instagram.com/p/B7m1unFAaYR/?igshid=1opc0171c0zhf

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 11:05 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Good for Jon. Good for all us Jons, really

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 11:06 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

I got some cool stuff on Matlack I've been meaning to post on MBTN

seawolf17 Jan 22 2020 11:43 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Good on ya, Mets.

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2020 11:55 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Good move ... just no retired number please.

41Forever Jan 22 2020 01:51 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Was it a unanimous vote?

kcmets Jan 22 2020 01:57 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

He's been in my Mets HOF for decades.

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 02:00 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Have you ever been to West Chester? There's a Matlack Boulevard

Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2020 02:06 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

I'm going to be driving past Matlack Street in a little over an hour, heading north on Route 202! Street View

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 02:29 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

:D

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 04:08 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Were they having a parade?

ashie62 Jan 23 2020 06:06 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Thought Matlock was a tv show

Vic Sage Jan 23 2020 01:22 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

saw him as a rookie, at the game where he took a line drive off his noggin. The impact sounded like a gunshot and he dropped like a box of rocks, so everybody started looking around for a shooter. next year, he was a guest at our little league awards breakfast and i got an autograph. He was very tall (at least to 11-year old me) and looked like Herman Munster, which i thought was very cool. congrats, Jonny!

41Forever Jan 23 2020 02:07 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

It's a little odd to me they are going back to that era to honor Matlack (for the Hall) and Koosman (for the number) rather than looking at the 1999-2000 and 2007-2008 teams. Not saying those honors aren't well-deserved, and it's always good to correct oversights. But would love to see Bobby V, Wright and Alfonzo get their due for the Mets Hall, followed by Reyes, Beltran -- gonna have to wait a little on those, though.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 23 2020 03:29 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Leiter

batmagadanleadoff Jan 23 2020 04:07 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Why's that odd? Bobby V's guy's shouldn't have to wait more than 20 years but Yogi's guys have to wait an eternity? Maybe they should wait until Matlack and every single Met fan who ever saw him pitch for the Mets in real time are all dead before they put Matlack in their HOF. What's odd is that Koosman's number wasn't retired decades ago while #8 is in goddamn mothballs.

Ceetar Jan 23 2020 06:47 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

hopefully they'll reissue 8 soon.

dinosaur jesus Jan 23 2020 08:44 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Vic Sage wrote: next year, he was a guest at our little league awards breakfast and i got an autograph. He was very tall (at least to 11-year old me) and looked like Herman Munster, which i thought was very cool. Other people Jon Matlack looked like: David Hartman. There's a Good Morning America episode where David Hartman interviewed Seaver, Koosman, and Matlack. Which I guess proves they're not actually the same person. Alexander Solzhenitsyn. There's a Good Morning America episode where David Hartman interviewed Solzhenitsyn's wife Natalya. They talked about the Mets. Bob Huff, a mathematician friend of my father's who also looked like Solzhenitsyn. He was never on Good Morning America.

whippoorwill Jan 24 2020 07:14 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

=Ceetar post_id=30417 time=1579830446 user_id=102] hopefully they'll reissue 8 soon.

I don't know...I'm rather fond of Yogi

41Forever Jan 24 2020 07:30 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Some other interesting things about Matlack: Middle name is Trumpbour. I'm assuming its a family name. Maybe Mom's maiden name? He had 13 wins in 1974 -- with seven of them shutouts! That's deGrom-like run support. Held the Reds to two hits in the 1973 playoffs Game 2 -- both of them by Andy Kosco. Finished his career one loss under .500, at 125-126. Can't think of anyone else from that era who they would put in the team Hall who isn't already in.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 24 2020 07:57 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Teddy Martinez?

41Forever Jan 24 2020 08:02 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Teddy Martinez? I was wondering about Felix. (This was my first-ever issue of Baseball Digest.) http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/241-6-277x400.jpg>

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 24 2020 08:58 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Here's some cool stuff about Matlack that you may not know yet (preview of huge MBTN scoop): Matlack was called up to the Mets in September of 1970 but never appeared in a game. But what number did he wear? According to a September 3 Daily Snooze article, he was assigned #27 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49434910642_1163e6d7be.jpg> But then there's this scorecard, from September 4 in Chicago, indicates he was wearing #50 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49434910392_eaf1ee5413.jpg> Back in Queens Sept. 10, the scorecard lists him in #35: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49434910877_a664dd4bb1.jpg> I had the last reference for some time and that's the "official" unofficial record. Matlack didn't actually debut till July 1971; Charlie Williams had 35 then, so he was issued his familiar 32. Pretty good notes column with a visit from Cool Papa Bell. The pitcher Scheffing was waiting to clear waivers was Dean Chance who'd join the club a week or two later and appear in just couple games ... wearing #27

Frayed Knot Jan 24 2020 01:17 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Now get to the important question left unanswered here: Was your preferred brand L&M, Lark, or Chesterfield?

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 24 2020 03:06 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

I like how the advertised in the same spot in the Wrigley and Shea scorecards. That's a national marketing campaign

whippoorwill Jan 24 2020 04:00 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Teddy Martinez? I was wondering about Felix. (This was my first-ever issue of Baseball Digest.) http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/241-6-277x400.jpg> For me of my first issues too.

whippoorwill Jan 24 2020 04:00 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Check out that price

G-Fafif Jan 24 2020 04:37 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Hope they make Matlack official at FanFest tomorrow.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 24 2020 07:05 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Are you going? Pump him for info on his 1970 unis

G-Fafif Jan 24 2020 07:10 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Are you going? Pump him for info on his 1970 unis If he's there and I get near him.

stevejrogers Jan 27 2020 02:59 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Dan Matlack, Jon's son, must have jumped the gun, or misinterpreted/misspoke about a Hall of Fame induction with that picture outside the Met Hall & Museum as the tweet was deleted. The Instagram pic, and original caption, is still up.

G-Fafif Jan 27 2020 04:58 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Guns can be jumped, but that they were fired cannot be denied. On two possibly unrelated notes... https://youtu.be/erMgpfiOMSU https://youtu.be/kW8gvGTlpWM

G-Fafif Jan 28 2020 11:25 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

It's official: Matlack, Darling, Alfonzo. https://metsinsider.mlblogs.com/matlack-darling-alfonzo-to-be-inducted-into-mets-hall-of-fame-b1ccd547f829

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 28 2020 11:26 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

3 deserving guys

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2020 11:27 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: 3 deserving guys Agreed. I would have guessed that Ron was already in, but I would have been wrong.

G-Fafif Jan 28 2020 11:45 AM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

Plus Al Jackson gets the long and meritorious service award, posthumously.

LWFS Jan 28 2020 02:03 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

I can't believe they waited this long for Al. Both thumbs up for Fonzie.

MFS62 Jan 28 2020 07:14 PM Re: Jon Matlack is the next Met HOFer!?

=G-Fafif post_id=30656 time=1580237157 user_id=55] Plus Al Jackson gets the long and meritorious service award, posthumously.

I'm fah'klempt - he was my favorite all-time Met.

And, the new manager can really endear himself to the NY fans by naming Alfonzo to his coaching staff.



Later

Edgy MD Feb 16 2020 09:39 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

You know who always seems to be outside the conversation? Howard Johnson. I'm not sure where the line should be, but he was, by most fair measures, a top-ten Mets batter all-time, almost certainly ahead of Hall-of-Famers such as Mookie Wilson and Rusty Staub. Kraney Krane too. (Although, most "fair" measures aren't particularly fair when it comes to pinch-hitters.)

G-Fafif Mar 05 2020 11:07 AM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

BTW, the date for Mets HOF Day is Sunday, May 17, prior to the 1:10 game vs PIT.

Johnny Lunchbucket Mar 21 2020 11:27 AM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Here's that big scoop finally: http://www.mbtn.net/?p=3249

ashie62 Mar 21 2020 11:30 AM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Matlack! Easy to remember the head shot he took, everything else added up to an A+ Mets career Darling 1986 WS Game 1 Alfonso, often underappreciated

stevejrogers Apr 03 2021 09:09 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

According to the media guide, date of induction to be July 31st. August 28th is the date of the Koos36 retirement. Interestingly, in the Mets By The Numbers section, all 6 retired, and soon to be officially retired numbers are spotlighted, along with two others, Carter and Wright. Hmmmmmm...

Edgy MD Apr 03 2021 09:40 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Thanks for digging up this thread. A lot absent friends — dino j, Vic Sage, and 41 forever.

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 03 2021 09:55 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Speaking of tribute, I 🚲 ed by citifield today and they're got rent-a-fence around the Seaver entrance. They're going to to something there, likely the statue

G-Fafif Apr 04 2021 07:21 AM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=stevejrogers post_id=59351 time=1617505785 user_id=57] According to the media guide, date of induction to be July 31st. August 28th is the date of the Koos36 retirement. Interestingly, in the Mets By The Numbers section, all 6 retired, and soon to be officially retired numbers are spotlighted, along with two others, Carter and Wright. Hmmmmmm...

Good find on the dates, Steve. I don't know if there's much to be read into those pictures in the 5 and 8 sections, but if they're the next 2 soon, you've got the scoop.

G-Fafif Apr 09 2021 04:04 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

The media guide dates may not be firm, based on DiComo's current reporting, understandable in the scheme of pandemic things. The Mets also plan to retire Koosman's No. 36, which they had intended to do last summer before COVID-19 interfered. That ceremony is now tentatively scheduled for September. In the second half of the season, the Mets will also induct three new members into their team Hall of Fame: Jon Matlack, Ron Darling and Edgardo Alfonzo. https://www.mlb.com/news/tom-seaver-statue-dedication-on-july-22

Johnny Lunchbucket Apr 09 2021 04:24 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=G-Fafif post_id=59360 time=1617542475 user_id=55] =stevejrogers post_id=59351 time=1617505785 user_id=57] According to the media guide, date of induction to be July 31st. August 28th is the date of the Koos36 retirement. Interestingly, in the Mets By The Numbers section, all 6 retired, and soon to be officially retired numbers are spotlighted, along with two others, Carter and Wright. Hmmmmmm...

Rogers can u shoot a pic and send it?

batmagadanleadoff Apr 09 2021 06:19 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=stevejrogers post_id=59351 time=1617505785 user_id=57] According to the media guide, date of induction to be July 31st. August 28th is the date of the Koos36 retirement. Interestingly, in the Mets By The Numbers section, all 6 retired, and soon to be officially retired numbers are spotlighted, along with two others, Carter and Wright. Hmmmmmm...

I cant control myself whenever I read about even speculation that the Mets are gonna retire Carter's number. And none of this goes away because the Mets finally got around to retiring Koosman's number.



Why not Hernandez? Where the fuck is Keith in this conversation? Or Straw? What the hell did Carter do for the Mets that Keith or Darryl didn't? Or Cleon Jones? Or Tommie Agee?

Ceetar Apr 09 2021 06:39 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

died.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 09 2021 06:53 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=Ceetar post_id=60265 time=1618015162 user_id=102]died.

So did Donn Clendenon.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2021 07:04 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

So will all the others, eventually.

Willets Point Apr 09 2021 07:10 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=60263 time=1618013942 user_id=68] Why not Hernandez? Where the fuck is Keith in this conversation? Or Straw? What the hell did Carter do for the Mets that Keith or Darryl didn't? Or Cleon Jones? Or Tommie Agee?

Carter is the only one of them in Hall of Fame. Not that I agree with retiring his number, but that does set him apart from other players who made significant contributions in a Mets uniform.

Edgy MD Apr 09 2021 07:56 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

fWAR of all Mets players currently in the Holla Fame, who haven't had their numbers retired by the team. Gary Carter 12.8 Tom Glavine 12.0 Pedro Martinez 9.8 Willie Mays 2.1 Nolan Ryan 3.9 Eddie Murray 3.9 Richie Ashburn 2.0 Joe Torre 2.0 Rickey Henderson 1.6 Roberto Alomar 1.5 Duke Snider 0.7 Warren Spahn 0.1 Yogi Berra -0.1 My feeling remains that the best way to confront any controversy over who should or should not have their number retired is to realize that their are countless other ways to honor a player. Also, these ceremonies work out a lot better if you make a point to schedule some doubleheaders. When Jerry Koosman was inducted into the Mets Hall of Fame, the crowd in the stands was embarrassingly sparse.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 09 2021 08:21 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Edgy MD wrote: fWAR of all Mets players currently in the Holla Fame, who haven't had their numbers retired by the team. Gary Carter 12.8 Tom Glavine 12.0 Pedro Martinez 9.8 Willie Mays 2.1 Nolan Ryan 3.9 Eddie Murray 3.9 Richie Ashburn 2.0 Joe Torre 2.0 Rickey Henderson 1.6 Roberto Alomar 1.5 Duke Snider 0.7 Warren Spahn 0.1 Yogi Berra -0.1 My feeling remains that the best way to confront any controversy over who should or should not have their number retired is to realize that their are countless other ways to honor a player. Also, these ceremonies work out a lot better if you make a point to schedule some doubleheaders. When Jerry Koosman was inducted into the Mets Hall of Fame, the crowd in the stands was embarrassingly sparse. That's Mets fWAR only, by the way. And 12.8 is supposed to impress me? That's two all-star seasons. That's not number retiring territory. Which is what what Gary Carter the Met was. Two really good seasons and then doneski. Like put a fork in him done. Hall of Fame? So Carter deserves to have his Met # retired over Keith because people think that Gary had a better career with the Expos than Keith had with the Cards? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Marshmallowmilkshake Apr 09 2021 08:50 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

I've always thought Carter's value to the Mets was greater than his stats. Just like Casey Stengel, who presumably had his number retired for reasons other than his won-loss percentage. I'd like to see Carter's number retired. I also think it's a little late. Honoring the 1986 team has always been a little complicated. Here's a nice story about Carter: [url]https://metsmerizedonline.com/2021/04/gary-carter-sometimes-there-is-crying-in-baseball.html/

batmagadanleadoff Apr 09 2021 09:06 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Casey Stengel wasn't hired by the Mets to hit home runs.

Edgy MD Apr 09 2021 09:40 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=60281 time=1618021275 user_id=68]That's Mets fWAR only, by the way.

Indeed, Yogi Berra did not actually put up a net negative score over his entire career.


=batmagadanleadoff post_id=60281 time=1618021275 user_id=68]And 12.8 is supposed to impress me?

Good God, no.

Willets Point Apr 10 2021 12:09 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Hernandez is not in the Mets HOF?

Edgy MD Apr 10 2021 01:24 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

I meant the Hall of Fame Hall of Fame.

Willets Point Apr 10 2021 01:28 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Reading comprehension is not my strong suit.

stevejrogers Jun 24 2021 11:44 AM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Apparently the SGA on the 31st will be collectable Challenge Coins of the new honorees.

roger_that Jun 24 2021 12:30 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Eff WAR

Edgy MD Jun 24 2021 12:35 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

YEAH! And FUCK ALL THE MASTERS OF WAR!

cal sharpie Jun 24 2021 01:56 PM Re: Alfonzo, Darling and Matlack to join the Met HOF, Al Jackson given Achievement Award

Come you masters of WAR You with arms that are guns You that win the big games You that hit all those bombs You that compile walks You that compile stats I just want you to know I can see through your masks