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Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

bmfc1 Jan 22 2020 11:00 AM

https://twitter.com/NYDNSports/status/1220043079241080832 Good article from last year: https://www.mlb.com/news/luis-rojas-analytics-quality-control-mets

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 22 2020 11:04 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

alright, I'm good with this

G-Fafif Jan 22 2020 11:16 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

“My first move will be not allowing my cousin Mel anywhere near the bullpen.”

Ceetar Jan 22 2020 11:16 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

2020-WhenHeLiesToTheMedia

Lefty Specialist Jan 22 2020 11:32 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41-ZxVJX8FL.jpg> Curbing my enthusiasm for now. If he was so great they'd have hired him in the first place.

kcmets Jan 22 2020 11:36 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Lefty Specialist wrote: If he was so great they'd have hired him in the first place. Yup © But that was going to be the case with anyone unless they changed plans and decided to plunk down big money on a Dustwalter or someone.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2020 11:37 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Great guys they hired in the first place include Mickey Callaway and Willie Randolph and Art Howe.

bmfc1 Jan 22 2020 11:38 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Keith Hernandez is "stunned" and "floored" and thinks that they needed an experienced manager for a "win-now" team.

Edgy MD Jan 22 2020 11:46 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

I kind of want an all-Rojas/Alou staff.

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2020 11:54 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Keith Hernandez is "stunned" and "floored" and thinks that they needed an experienced manager for a "win-now" team. Was he also 'stunned and floored' when they announced Beltran, or is this more a case of 'I don't know him therefore he can't be any good'? I actually thought they might go the experience route after the Beltran hire crashed, both because of the need for 'stability' and if anyone knows how to over-correct it's the 'Pons. I thought they might turn to Showalter which I would have been OK with (even if not thrilled) but recoiled at the rumors of Dusty with whom the Astros are talking to (talk about your over-correcting ... the Astros would be going from the cutting edge of the analytics spectrum to the completely opposite extreme w/Baker).

bmfc1 Jan 22 2020 12:18 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

https://twitter.com/Pete_Alonso20/status/1220062128071237639

Centerfield Jan 22 2020 12:28 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

How old is he? Like 14? So this is Felipe's son, Moises's brother? Doesn't look anything like Moises. I guess that's a good thing. Moises always kinda reminded me of the guy from Fine Young Cannibals.

Lefty Specialist Jan 22 2020 12:31 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Great guys they hired in the first place include Mickey Callaway and Willie Randolph and Art Howe. And Gil Hodges and Bobby Valentine and Davey Johnson.

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2020 12:42 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ? Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jan 23 2020 03:45 AM

=Centerfield post_id=30332 time=1579721322 user_id=65] How old is he? Like 14? So this is Felipe's son, Moises's brother? Doesn't look anything like Moises. I guess that's a good thing. Moises always kinda reminded me of the guy from Fine Young Cannibals.

There are few family trees more difficult to follow than that of Felipe Alou and the extended Alou/Rojas/Beltran clan

- Start with the idea that Felipe/Jesus/Matty's father's name was Rojas not Alou; Alou was the maternal name. It's not uncommon for the maternal name to be used in some Spanish cultures, either instead of the paternal

name, in addition to the paternal name (ex: Garcia y Vega) or sometimes even interchangeably. There's even a dispute on the pronunciation of the name, some contending it was more like 'Allow' back home and only

got changed to 'Aloo' stateside.

- And then Felipe was married four times (twice to fellow Dominicans, once to an American, and also to a Canadian), had ten children in total, and went and named three of the five sons Felipe.

- Luis Rojas is the product of Felipe 3rd marriage making him a half-brother to Moises (wife #1). Born in the DR (mom is from DR) he went with the grandfather's name of Rojas rather than father/grandmother's name of Alou



Luis Emilio Rojas is 38 y/o. He played just one season of rookie ball in 2004 for the Expos organization.





oe: and the Mel Rojas clan is from Felipe/Jesus/Matty's father's other marriage making him a sort of half-cousin to the Alou side of the family

Centerfield Jan 22 2020 12:43 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

They say he's a good communicator, and makes good decisions. That sounds promising. I would like to hear that he buys into analytics, but in the end I'm guessing Jeff will still be pulling the strings. I think he was the guy who acted as the messenger between the front office and Mickey last year, so doesn't bode well for those hoping for autonomy. Anyway, I have no opinion. The Mickey Callaway era taught me that you can't trust a thing that is written about a manager before he is hired.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2020 01:06 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

=Centerfield post_id=30337 time=1579722219 user_id=65] The Mickey Callaway era taught me that you can't trust a thing that is written about a manager before he is hired.

Exactly. Rojas sounds good, but we'll have to wait and see.

41Forever Jan 22 2020 01:19 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

And then Felipe was married four times (to two fellow Dominicans, one American, and one Canadian), had ten children in total, and went and named three of the five sons Felipe. Seems like this would make things unnecessarily complicated. I think this is a good hire. Knows the players. Has managing experience. Just because they picked Beltran doesn't Rojas would be a bad pick. Saw this: When Rojas manages his first game for the Mets while following in the footsteps of his father, Felipe, he will join Connie and Earle Mack, George and Dick Sisler, Bob and Joel Skinner, Buddy and David Bell, and Bob and Aaron Boone as father/son duos to manage in Major League Baseball, according to James Wagner of The New York Times. It totally slipped my mind that Felipe was a manager -- and that he did it so long! And he got to manage the 1995 NL All-Star team for having the best record in the season cut short.

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 01:36 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Keith Hernandez is "stunned" and "floored" and thinks that they needed an experienced manager for a "win-now" team. Damn I keep turning off twitter just when the good stuff happens

kcmets Jan 22 2020 01:49 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Never mind Keef, what does his cat think of Rojas?

whippoorwill Jan 22 2020 02:01 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Hodji :)

TransMonk Jan 22 2020 05:54 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Pete_Alonso20/status/1220062128071237639[/TWEET] If's the ROY is happy...

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2020 05:55 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Never mind Keef, what does his cat think of Rojas? He thinks it's a purrfect choice. Sorry, couldn't resist

LWFS Jan 22 2020 09:29 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Great guys they hired in the first place include Mickey Callaway and Willie Randolph and Art Howe. And Gil Hodges and Bobby Valentine and Davey Johnson. These guys didn't hire those guys. He seems promising, has the support of most of the locker room, and is more than a little conversant with both metrics and baseball lifeishness. I'm all right with it.

ashie62 Jan 22 2020 11:52 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

If Alonso is good with it so am I

Lefty Specialist Jan 23 2020 07:47 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

=ashie62 post_id=30383 time=1579762322 user_id=90] If Alonso is good with it so am I

Yeah, that's a good endorsement.

Vic Sage Jan 23 2020 01:17 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Of course nobody knows how this is going to work out, but: *he's coached alot of these guys before in the minors and they like him; *he has actual managerial experience down there; *He's been with the organization for a long while now, and is well regarded internally; *his coaching role this year was to participate in discussions of in-game strategies and the use of analytics, so he's at least conversant with those tools; and * his baseball lineage means he's grown up in the game, so his youth doesn't necessarily work against him. How he "handles NY" (i.e., the media) remains to be seen, but he's certainly not going to be any worse at it than the thin-skinned Beltran. Given that ST starts in a few weeks, and Brodie wasn't going to give the keys over to a Showalter or some other outsider demanding total control, I think this was as good a choice as they could have made under the circumstances (with a sigh of relief that they passed on Dusty), and i'm much more hopeful now than i was when they hired Beltran. The guy's young but he seems to actually have some qualifications, so that's a nice change. but yes, we'll see.

seawolf17 Jan 23 2020 01:19 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

I was excited by the reactions too. Reminds me a bit of Davey in 1984, where he knew those guys from the minors.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 23 2020 01:40 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Vic Sage wrote: (with a sigh of relief that they passed on Dusty) Yes.

Lefty Specialist Jan 23 2020 02:04 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Vic Sage wrote: (with a sigh of relief that they passed on Dusty) Yes. Yeah, a huge bullet dodged there.

MFS62 Jan 23 2020 02:30 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

His credentials are so good, it makes me wonder why they hired Beltran in the first place. It seems like he checked off more qualification boxes (except for being a well known ex-player) than Beltran did. And, I'm doing a happy dance that it wasn't Dusty. Later

G-Fafif Jan 24 2020 01:38 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Rojas donned No. 19 at his presser.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 24 2020 02:04 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

That's one better than Art Howe!

smg58 Jan 24 2020 04:48 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

He seems like a good guy who knows his stuff. How he handles the bright light in his face remains to be seen, but I don't think they could have done better under the circumstances.

86dreamer Jan 24 2020 06:15 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

I am more confident in Luis than I ever was with Carlos.

Johnny Lunchbucket Jan 24 2020 07:02 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

=86dreamer post_id=30461 time=1579914909 user_id=97] I am more confident in Luis than I ever was with Carlos.

Same.

G-Fafif Jan 24 2020 07:12 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

When he was interviewed by Gelbs, he seemed like regular guy Luis rather than new manager Rojas, kind of like Jerry Ford toasting his own English muffins.

Edgy MD Jan 28 2020 09:24 PM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Can you think of any manager with as little professional playing experience as Luis Rojas? A season as a punchless corner infielder/corner outfielder for the Expos. That background almost qualifies him as an honorary Wilpon. Obviously there are plenty of managerial success stories featuring skippers who barely scraped by as players, but I imagine that few come from playing backgrounds as fringy as Luis. The organization he played in no longer plays in the same country!

MFS62 Jan 29 2020 07:19 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

And, as I mentioned in the Met HOF thread, Rojas could really endear himself to the NY fans by naming Alfonzo to his coaching staff. Later

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2020 07:52 AM Re: Luis Rojas, New York Mets Manager, 2020 - ?

Edgy MD wrote: Can you think of any manager with as little professional playing experience as Luis Rojas? A season as a punchless corner infielder/corner outfielder for the Expos. That background almost qualifies him as an honorary Wilpon. There was that skinny accountant-looking John Boles who had two full seasons and parts of two others with the Marlins ['96, '99-2001; approx 450 games in total] who was often said to be either the first guy, or at least the first in a very long time, to have never played at any level anywhere. But, other than that, it'll be tough to find someone who can slip under Rojas's 143 PAs at the Rookie Lg level plus maybe some pieces of two Dominican Lg stints On the coaching thing, I doubt a rookie manager, especially one named so late in the off-season, is going to get to name his own coaches ... and that's before we even get into the whole idea of picking the coaching staff based on past popularity.