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MLB Pondering Another New Playoff Format

Johnny Lunchbucket
Feb 10 2020 03:32 PM

Joel Sherman has the scoop: https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/mlb-plotting-playoff-expansion-with-reality-tv-twist/



I dunno how I feel about this but the case is there for TV drama and $$$$$ which is why (and when) they'd consider it.



Risks making the reg season a little too meaningless as I believe the '19 Mets make the playoffs (and are the choice of the best team required to make a choice) under this expansion format.

Centerfield
Feb 10 2020 03:47 PM
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14 teams would make the playoffs. Why even bother with a regular season at that point.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 10 2020 04:17 PM
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And Susan Collins could host the playoff show so she can tell the voters that she's rooting for every team to win the World Series.

kcmets
Feb 10 2020 04:24 PM
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Baseball on hockey skates.

Ceetar
Feb 10 2020 05:01 PM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:



Risks making the reg season a little too meaningless as I believe the '19 Mets make the playoffs (and are the choice of the best team required to make a choice) under this expansion format.


no one's voluntarily playing the 2019 Mets if they can pick the Diamondbacks or Brewers. The Diamondbacks are throwing like, an injured Greinke and then Merrill Kelly and Robbie Ray at you. Brewers got Brandon Woodruff and like..Zach Davies? yeah.







but MLB is due to sell a broadcast agreement starting in 2022, so..

Lefty Specialist
Feb 10 2020 05:39 PM
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Dumbest. Idea. Ever.

Edgy MD
Feb 10 2020 05:51 PM
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There is no added drama, generally, but rather drama robbed from the regular season.

Gwreck
Feb 10 2020 06:11 PM
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Playoff expansion. DH expansion. Banning shifts. Putting runners on second base in extra innings.



Why do you hate baseball, Rob Manfred?

41Forever
Feb 10 2020 06:42 PM
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=Gwreck post_id=31428 time=1581383472 user_id=56]
Playoff expansion. DH expansion. Banning shifts. Putting runners on second base in extra innings.



Why do you hate baseball, Rob Manfred?



Yeah, I have to say he sure seems to be making changes as if the game is in trouble -- and I don't think it is.

G-Fafif
Feb 10 2020 09:37 PM
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“I don't much care for baseball, but if they're adding four playoff teams and a gimmicky setup, where do I sign?” Yeah, sure.



Baseball for Baseball Fans 2020.

bmfc1
Feb 11 2020 02:51 AM
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It lowers the bar for teams to strive for excellence and cheapens the importance of the long season.

https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra/status/1227205636779364354

Frayed Knot
Feb 11 2020 03:33 AM
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=bmfc1 post_id=31454 time=1581414705 user_id=73]
It lowers the bar for teams to strive for excellence and cheapens the importance of the long season.



And yet is somehow being passed off as a solution to sagging attendance.



The other thing I find disturbing is that this opponent-choosing reality show part of the deal buys into the current trend towards where the 'non-event' event [drafts, selection shows, poll reveals, etc.] is

considered to be a main attraction to fans.

Frayed Knot
Feb 11 2020 03:40 AM
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And I think we should probably consider Reds pitcher Trevor Bauer to be in the "Leaning No' category for now, at least until further clarification.



"No idea who made this new playoff format proposal, but Rob is responsible for releasing it, so I'll direct this to you, (commissioner) Rob Manfred, ...

Your proposal is absurd for too many reasons to type on twitter and proves you have absolutely no clue about baseball. You're a joke.”

Fman99
Feb 11 2020 04:16 AM
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I hate this proposed new postseason even more than I hate the DH, and that's saying something.

seawolf17
Feb 11 2020 06:33 AM
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This is an exceptionally stupid idea.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 11 2020 07:04 AM
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You know what... I don't hate it as much as I should.



Fourteen out of thirty teams making the post season: Bad.



Having the first round be best-of-three instead of best-of-one: Good.



Choose your opponent: Interesting. There's no way I'd sit through a one-hour TV show to find out who the Mets playoff opponent will be. I'd sign up for some kind of text alert instead.



This would be more palatable if MLB expanded to more than 30 teams. Maybe 36? I know THAT has its own problems, but I'd be okay with 36 teams.

MFS62
Feb 11 2020 07:15 AM
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I hate this proposed new postseason even more than I hate the DH, and that's saying something.


I dislike them equally, maybe this a tad bit less.

Where do we go to vote "no" on this idea?

Later

Ceetar
Feb 11 2020 07:19 AM
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Not only a reality show Sunday night, but you get all sorts of analysis shows leading up to it debating about WHO should they pick? WFAN will be nonstop "should the Mets pick the Cubs or the Nationals" all day Friday, all weekend (because they'll clinch second best record Thursday night)



And then MOnday, a presumed offday will have the added matchup discussion with the added "See, this is why I would've picked the Cubs not the Nationals" second guessing.



A lot of this happening on the network that just so happened to have just given MLB a ton of money for broadcasting rights.





Nobody should be framing this as anything but "MLB figuring out ways to make a ton more money for owners"

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 11 2020 07:37 AM
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Two first place finishes in 31 seasons and you think the Mets will be picking? That's even funnier than this moronic proposed format. They'll be pickees, not pickers, and that'll be thanks to the ridiculosity of MLB in now having eleventy three playoff teams.



Expanding playoffs that are a total, total crap shoot in the first place. Oh, my!

Ceetar
Feb 11 2020 07:43 AM
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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=31466 time=1581431878 user_id=68]
Two first place finishes in 31 seasons and you think the Mets will be picking? That's even funnier than this moronic proposed format. They'll be pickees, not pickers, and that'll be thanks to the ridiculosity of MLB in now having eleventy three playoff teams.



Expanding playoffs that are a total, total crap shoot in the first place. Oh, my!



Mets are projected division winners. right now. in 2020.



sorry to disappoint you.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 11 2020 07:49 AM
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Who is projecting the Mets as 2020 division winners?

Ceetar
Feb 11 2020 07:51 AM
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https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 11 2020 07:53 AM
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I hope they're right!

Ceetar
Feb 11 2020 08:18 AM
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https://www.baseballprospectus.com/static/images/nl_east.svg>



Washington has a few potentials above the Moves, but they've got a lot more going on down the backslope.



Worth noting that the Braves have been underprojected for a few years now, but it's also possible that the projections have now accounted for that.



Phillies clearly not very good, but they have lots of volatility and some out there 'if everything goes right' projections.



Miami is a city in Florida. They have some guys with baseball uniforms too.

LWFS
Feb 11 2020 10:05 AM
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I mean, if you want to do this in ADDITION to a regular-season/pennant situation, like soccer leagues do with domestic cup competitions, then, sure.



Otherwise, nnnnnnnope.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 11 2020 11:46 AM
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In 2019 in the National League, the Dodgers would have gotten the first-round bye.



The Braves would then have been able to choose their opponent from among the Nationals, Brewers, Mets, and Diamondbacks.



The Cardinals would have had their choice from among the three teams that the Braves passed on.



And the two remaining teams would have played each other.

Edgy MD
Feb 11 2020 11:59 AM
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I'd like to choose Rob Manfred as my opponent.

Centerfield
Feb 11 2020 12:51 PM
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If the players have any sense, they will realize this is a fairly transparent attempt to drive down salaries. No one will feel the need to create a 100 win team anymore. This is garbage.

Frayed Knot
Feb 11 2020 03:09 PM
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Mike Vaccaro, American Hero

41Forever
Feb 11 2020 04:16 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Mike Vaccaro, American Hero


Joel Sherman, not so much.



[url]https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/the-purist-argument-doesnt-make-sense-in-mlb-playoff-expansion-debate/



I still think the best thing would be to somehow stop teams from tanking. Not sure how to do it. I know Centerfield had some ideas. And there have always been suck teams. But I don't see anything in this plan that would address that.



Now, it might be a bait and switch. Accepting something awful like the universal DH doesn't seem as bad when you consider this crap.. Three-batter minimum? But compared to gutting the minor leagues it's peachy.

Edgy MD
Feb 11 2020 04:23 PM
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I still think the best thing would be to somehow stop teams from tanking.




I know how to do it!

Frayed Knot
Feb 11 2020 04:59 PM
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I don't even know that 'tanking' is a scourge that needs addressing.

The draft has existed for over half a century now but some seem to believe that teams have only recently discovered the concept that losing can better their draft positions. This all seems to stem from the recent and virtually flat-out admissions by basketball teams that they are in fact trying to do that. But baseball isn't basketball and the two draft are so wildly different that they're barely worth comparing. No amateur ballplayer has the immediate impact (on or off the field of play) that a young hoopster can have and baseball #1 overall picks aren't even that readily obvious they way it usually is in hoops. Plus, the concept of losing teams selling/trading off good players for future benefits has always been with us, always will be (pssst: it happens in European soccer too where they don't even have a draft) and that won't change whether there's one Wild Card team, two WC teams, or twelve WC teams.







P.S. I like the way Vaccaro's piece sort of tweaks Sherman's by first linking it then slyly mocking his anti-purist argument.

I've always hated when one falls back on the 'purist' or 'traditionalist' label, mainly because it gets pulled out whenever one wants to both generalize and mock the argument of those fans against something new.

No, we're not against all new ideas, just the bad ones (see: H, D or the idea of runners placed on 2nd base in extra innings, etc.).

smg58
Feb 11 2020 05:57 PM
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=Gwreck post_id=31428 time=1581383472 user_id=56]
Playoff expansion. DH expansion. Banning shifts. Putting runners on second base in extra innings.



Why do you hate baseball, Rob Manfred?



This. I do give him credit for his handling of the sign-stealing. But he's threatening to make baseball a much less interesting game.

Ceetar
Feb 11 2020 06:00 PM
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=smg58 post_id=31541 time=1581469076 user_id=62]




This. I do give him credit for his handling of the sign-stealing.





*raised eyebrow*

MFS62
Feb 11 2020 07:09 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

I still think the best thing would be to somehow stop teams from tanking.




I know how to do it!


How? Your plan might stimulate enough discussion to start a separate thread.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 11 2020 07:21 PM
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It's the soccer thing again.

Edgy MD
Feb 11 2020 08:14 PM
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It's the American way. Successful companies grow. Failing companies diminish.



Propping up failing companies because they are part of some special club should be an unhappy thing.

LWFS
Feb 11 2020 08:30 PM
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Take out the artificial floor! RELEGATE!