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Plastic Rams Must Pass

MOTHER (JL)

4 votes

HOLD ON (JL)

0 votes

I FOUND OUT (JL)

0 votes

WORKING CLASS HERO (JL)

6 votes

ISOLATION (JL)

1 votes

REMEMBER (JL)

1 votes

LOVE (JL)

2 votes

WELL WELL WELL (JL)

2 votes

LOOK AT ME (JL)

0 votes

GOD (JL)

4 votes

I'D HAVE YOU ANYTIME (GH)

1 votes

MY SWEET LORD (GH)

4 votes

WAH-WAH (GH)

5 votes

ISN'T IT A PITY - V1 or V2 (GH)

1 votes

WHAT IS LIFE (GH)

4 votes

BEHIND THAT LOCKED DOOR (GH)

0 votes

LET IT DOWN (GH)

1 votes

RUN OF THE MILL (GH)

0 votes

BEWARE OF DARKNESS (GH)

4 votes

APPLE SCRUFFS (GH)

1 votes

BALLAD OF SIR FRANKIE CRISH (GH)

0 votes

AWAITING ON YOU ALL (GH)

3 votes

ALL THINGS MUST PASS (GH)

6 votes

I DID LOVE (GH)

0 votes

ART OF DYING (GH)

0 votes

HER ME LORD (GH)

1 votes

TOO MANY PEOPLE (PM)

5 votes

3 LEGS (PM)

1 votes

RAM ON (PM)

1 votes

DEAR BOY (PM)

0 votes

UNCLE ALBERT/ADMIRAL HALSEY (PM)

3 votes

SMILE AWAY (PM)

0 votes

HEART OF THE COUNTRY (PM)

2 votes

MONKBERRY MOON DELIGHT (PM)

1 votes

EAT AT HOME (PM)

0 votes

LONG HAIRED LADY (PM)

1 votes

THE BACK SEAT OF MY CAR (PM)

2 votes

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2020 03:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 14 2020 04:30 PM

=Fman99 (from the 'Fifty Years Ago' thread)]I'd say ... that those three other solo albums you mention (Ram, Plastic Ono Band, and All Things Must Pass) are the three records I would pick from the sum total of all post Beatle albums as the three most enjoyable to me

This reminds me that we actually covered this topic a whole bunch of years ago in this forum -- in fact I believe it goes back to the predecessor of this forum as I seem to remember John Lennon fan-boy 'Paulie Cee' as part of the discussion. Anyway, the exercise was to create the last great Beatles album by culling a list from J, P, and G's (sort of) debut efforts with the result to be titled PLASTIC RAMS MUST PASS.



But that was a long time ago when many of you weren't around and, even among those who were, I'm sure no one who was remembers what was chosen or even if a consensus was ever agreed to (not that anything was ever agreed to back then). Plus we now have nifty polling features that didn't exist in chat rooms back then (it was so long ago that I think we still used a fuckin' abacus to count) so maybe now that we're looking back on 1970 albums (RAM was early '71) this will be a good time to revisit this thought exercise. Therefore your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to do this all over again.



From the poll you can nominate Up to Twelve songs (based on that being more or less standard for albums at that time) that you'd choose to make up the Beatles finale that could have been had they not been hitting each other over the head with lawsuits by that point. And if there are enough different songs that get votes we can also pretend-release a 20-something track double LP as their swan song.



The songs listed are all the ones from those three albums except for

-- Cover songs. The Beatles didn't use songs written by others once they established themselves therefore this album won't either. So while George might have done a very nice version of Dylan's ‘If Not For You' it's ineligible for consideration here. We will accept co-writes (George & Bob; Paul & Linda, John & Yoko, etc.).

-- Sides Five & Six of ‘All Things' were improvisational jam session stuff that George admitted weren't really part of the album but he included at the last moment as a kind of bonus. Fine if you like listening to them but they're not going on the combined album.

-- Both Paul & John included a track that clocked in at under one minute. And I know that so was half the back side of ABBEY ROAD, but those songs went together with each other. But here, do we really need the sub-1:00 RAM (Reprise) in addition to RAM? I think not.

-- And George included two versions of ISN'T IT A PITY, one five minutes long, the other north of seven. I don't care which you prefer but we're counting votes for either as one entry.



Those conditions brings the list of choices down to a somewhat more manageable 38 songs. Nearly half of them are George/ATMP material so maybe he has an advantage here but, y'know what, that's P & J's problem for limiting him to a two song quota for all those years and leaving him with a backlog (he wrote some as early as '66). So if either Paul or John want to whine about it have them call me and I'll tell them to suck it.



Take your time to review/re-familiarize songs if you need to, we'll leave this open for a while (May 1st?). And, as always, you can pen op-eds to argue for or against certain choices in hopes of persuading others to vote for your faves, or you can just click your picks anonymously. The vote changing option is enabled so nothing is locked down until we close the poll.

Edgy MD Apr 14 2020 04:07 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Plastic Rams Must Pass is also the name of the Kurt Warner story.

Willets Point Apr 14 2020 06:42 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 15 2020 07:30 AM

I voted for: Mother Working Class Hero Remember Well Well Well Too Many People I'd Have You Anytime Wah-Wah What is Life Awaiting on You All All Things Must Pass On edit: write-in for Maybe I'm Amazed And I'm writing in Beaucoup of Blues as the special Ringo song for the album. I don't know if that'll make a good album, but those are the songs I like.

RealityChuck Apr 14 2020 07:17 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

The problem is that ATMP has so much good stuff that it dominates.

Fman99 Apr 14 2020 07:33 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Boy, I'm going to give this some real thought. And listen to all 3 of these in their entirety, again, before I decide.

Edgy MD Apr 14 2020 08:26 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

SIDE ONE 1. “My Sweet Lord” 2. “Well, Well, Well” 3. “Maybe I'm Amazed” 4. “Another Day" 5. “God” 6. “What Is Life?” SIDE TWO 1.. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey” 2. “Working Class Hero” 3. “Junk” 4. "Stardust" 5. “Love" 6. “All Things Must Pass"

Fman99 Apr 14 2020 08:46 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Is Edgy allowed to pick tracks from the McCartney album? I think he's breaking the rules.

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2020 05:43 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

=RealityChuck post_id=35166 time=1586913467 user_id=82] The problem is that ATMP has so much good stuff that it dominates.

That's Paul & John's problem, not ours.








=Fman99 post_id=35171 time=1586918794 user_id=86]
Is Edgy allowed to pick tracks from the McCartney album? I think he's breaking the rules.


Y'know, I debated over whether to suggest permitting write-in votes from either the self-titled McCartney album or any of the pre-POB John/Yoko stuff ... and then I forgot about it when I posted the poll.

I say let's allow it as long as one takes care not to click 12 choices in the poll AND submit write-ins. Each entry is limited to a dozen votes total.

And while we're on the subject, Willets brings up the topic of a write-in for Ringo. The problem there is that Mr. Starkey didn't write BEAUCOUP OF BLUES or hardly any of the stuff on his early solo efforts.

IT DON'T COME EASY, a Ringo/George co-write w/George producing, was released as a non-album single in April '71 (right around the time of RAM) so that looks to be the only Ringo entry that would fit

both the time frame and the non-cover conditions to be eligible for this project.

Edgy MD Apr 15 2020 07:02 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

I included "Stardust," which may or may not be Ringo's best track on Sentimental Journey, but being arranged by Paul, I think it fit most in with the spirit of the thing.

Willets Point Apr 15 2020 07:26 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

"Beaucoup of Blues" was written for Ringo Starr, so not his composition, but not a cover. Kind of like how Paul & John wrote him a song for pretty much every Beatles album, so I say it fits. I will write in "Maybe I'm Amazed" too since I only voted for 10.

Fman99 Apr 15 2020 07:38 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

With all the wealth of these three albums, there's no way I'm putting a Ringo song in that group of 12. Sorry, Ringo, but piss off.

Fman99 Apr 15 2020 08:52 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

I went deeper than most on my selections. Tried to go 4/4/4 but there are too many great songs on All Things Must Pass to do it that way. Side 1: Mother Hear Me Lord 3 Legs Love Monkberry Moon Delight Let It Down Side 2: Long Haired Lady Isn't It a Pity (the 5 min one) Beware of Darkness God Back Seat of My Car All Things Must Pass

Willets Point Apr 15 2020 09:23 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

=Fman99 post_id=35182 time=1586957881 user_id=86] With all the wealth of these three albums, there's no way I'm putting a Ringo song in that group of 12. Sorry, Ringo, but piss off.

Still better than McCartney's dreck.

cal sharpie Apr 15 2020 12:03 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Why RAM instead of MCCARTNEY? The Fab Faux have done shows where all they played was songs from McCartney, JL/POB, All Things Must Pass. Also, if you're allowing RAM (which, again, i disagree with) you should allow Ringo to have "It Don't Come Easy" which was released in April, 1971. Ah, see LWFS already addressed it.

cal sharpie Apr 15 2020 12:24 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Side One: Wah-Wah Working Class Hero Too Many People It Dob't Come Easy My Sweet Lord God Side Two: Mother Maybe I'm Amazed Beware of Darkness Isolation Back Seat of My Car All Things Must Pass

Edgy MD Apr 15 2020 05:19 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Who is producing? Phil Spector or George Martin?

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2020 08:30 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

cal sharpie wrote: Why RAM instead of MCCARTNEY? It was combination of that long-ago discussion we had on the predecessor of this forum and the discussion of the McCARTNEY album on the 'Fifty Years Ago' thread where I kind of dismissed the initial Paul & John releases as 'starter' albums leaving RAM & Plastic Ono Band as more like P & J's "real" solo debuts. But you can include McCARTNEY and pre-John/POB material among your choices. ... you should allow Ringo to have "It Don't Come Easy" which was released in April, 1971. As mentioned above, we will allow that one as a write-in. Unfortunately I can't change the poll options at this point.

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2020 06:27 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

For right now (at least until I change my mind) GOD WORKING CLASS HERO MY SWEET LORD WAH-WAH WHAT IS LIFE BEWARE OF DARKNESS ALL THINGS MUST PASS TOO MANY PEOPLE HEART OF THE COUNTRY MAYBE I'M AMAZED UNCLE ALBERT/ADMIRAL HALSEY and a write-in for IT DON'T COME EASY

Frayed Knot May 02 2020 04:13 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

So our album looks like this: WORKING CLASS HERO ALL THINGS MUST PASS TOO MANY PEOPLE WAH-WAH GOD MY SWEET LORD WHAT IS LIFE? BEWARE OF DARKNESS UNCLE ALBERT/ADMIRAL HALSEY MAYBE I'M AMAZED AWAITING ON YOU ALL And, if you call before midnight tonight, we'll send you the extended Bonus Track CD at no extra cost (just pay a separate handling charge) which includes the tracks: LOVE WELL WELL WELL IT DON'T COME EASY BACK SEAT OF MY CAR HEART OF THE COUNTRY

Fman99 May 02 2020 09:05 PM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

I always thought that "Well Well Well" and "Long Haired Lady" would have made a great double A side as they both have the same "well well well" line in them.

ashie62 May 03 2020 05:47 AM Re: Plastic Rams Must Pass

Surprised I didn't vote for Macs "Smile Away". It kicks like a ram