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What's Your Memory?: Busch Memorial Stadium

Edgy MD
May 23 2020 07:36 AM

Busch Memorial Stadium (aka Busch II) was the home of the Cardinals from 1966 to 2005. Part of the family of "Cookie Cutter Parks" (the designation is confusing, because it's not so much that the parks resemble cookie cutters, but their shapes resemble forms made by cookie cutters), Busch came into existence a few years after Shea Stadium, with it's arched overhang matching the Gateway arch beyond left center field, and becoming the park's defining architectural feature.



Busch was a rare park in that it started it's life with a grass surface before transitioning to to a rug just in time for the 1970s. It then went back to natural grass in 1996 in order to live its final decade with a little class. Our previous visit to Fulton-County reminds me that it was an accepted fact that Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium was supposed to be the hottest ballpark of it's time, but I never saw players baking like they did in a mid-summer day game at Busch. Curiously enough, the two parks came into service in the same season.



The home of Steve Carlton and Bob Gibson, Lou Brock and Albert Pujols, few parks ever worked in conjunction with the tenant's organizational philosophy like Busch worked with the 1980s Cardinals, as the hard surface and deep power alleys complimented the Cardinals' team speed day in and day out. The eighties was cool like that — all the good teams seemed to have different philosophies. It was a decade of biodiversity.



The park has also had a diversity of tenants, having also hosted the NFL's St. Louis Cardinals before they fled to Phoenix, as well as the St. Louis Rams after they emigrated out of Los Angeles. Soccer's St. Louis Stars called the building home while playing in two different leagues — the NPSL as well as the NASL.



Yes, the Beatles played there, and McCartney returned in 1993. The venue has also hosted the Stones, New Kids on the Fucking Block, Billy Juckets and Elton John together, and U2. But for my money, it's peak concert day was Super Jam 1976, featuring Ted Nugent, Jefferson Starship, Jeff Beck, and Fleetwood Mac. Rumours was still in the recording stage, but the band debuted "You Make Loving Fun" in the middle of the set. Amazing to think what they would pull out for an encore before the introduction of "Don't Stop," but this day, it was Buckingham/Nicks leftover "Don't Let Me Down Again," and strangely, "Hypnotized," the jazzy make-out song left over from Bob Welch's tenure. It had been a minor hit in the band's Nixon era, but that's sort of an anti-climactic way to end a show if I'm springing for the tickets.



The Mets history in the park is ... extensive — featuring an all-time winning (154-151) record at the park Keith Hernandez once called home. But surely one or two games stand out. My first thought is Ron Darling's big start at the end of 1985, won by Darryl Strawberry in the 10th with a long drive ricocheting off the stadium clock, allowing the team to live for one more day. There was also an early-season win in 1986 where a ninth-inning Howard Johnson two-run homer off of Todd Worrell tied the game and the Mets won it in the 11th. The Mets had been a legendary juggernaut out of the gate that year, and while it's hard to think of such a thing happening on April 24, the team's lore says that this was the win that made it clear that the Cardinals would not be catching them that year, and if not the Cardinals, then nobody. The team would go on to finish 8-1 at Busch that year, and Johnson, who had lost his 2/3 of a starting job at third base to a red-hot Ray Knight, would take pride in this game being his big contribution to 1986.



The Mets took both of the games at Busch in the 2000 playoffs, the second being the start that effectively ended Rick Ankiel's pitching career. He would return to the mound for a handful of starts the next season but the yips would never disappear. The two teams would match up in the post-season again in 2006, but that would be in the Cardinals' new digs.



Those are big days, but surely there are more.



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MFS62
May 23 2020 07:52 AM
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Vince Coleman got run over by a tarp:

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/the-day-the-tarp-ate-vince-coleman/article_5e47b555-a52b-5106-9d17-58b5303ca0f5.html

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Benjamin Grimm
May 23 2020 08:02 AM
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Darling vs Tudor and Darryl homering off the clock, as noted above. That was during the week after Hurricane Gloria hit Long Island and there was no power at my house. My sister and I temporarily relocated to my grandmother's house and we watched the game there

Edgy MD
May 23 2020 08:30 AM
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Yeah, I did a dis-service not mentioning Tudor's role in that game.

Johnny Lunchbucket
May 23 2020 01:52 PM
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There once for an interleague game vs the Tigers. It was the first interleague game I ever saw.



Remember listening to a game with my grandfather on the radio, and Gibson hitting a grand slam. That would have been in 76 or so. Not entirely sure it was at Busch.

MFS62
May 23 2020 01:56 PM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

Remember listening to a game with my grandfather on the radio, and Gibson hitting a grand slam. That would have been in 76 or so. Not entirely sure it was at Busch.

Which Gibson, Kirk or Bob?

Later

G-Fafif
May 23 2020 02:07 PM
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Once I was done with my interviews, the PR guy in charge of handling me brought me back downtown for lunch. When I told him I had much time to kill before returning to the airport, he told me I could go to Busch Stadium and take a tour. It had nothing to do with my being a guest of the company that would, for one more season, own the Cardinals. They offered tours all the time to anybody. It would kill the requisite time and perhaps give me an insight or two that I missed amid my own miasma in 1992.



I took him up on his suggestion. Walked over from the restaurant to the ticket window at Busch, bought one admission and got myself attached to a group. These people were total strangers, but they were supposed to be, so that was cool. The tour itself was incredibly cool. They took us everywhere inside Busch Stadium. With the season a couple of weeks away, there was lots of activity, so it felt we were getting a sneak preview of sorts for 1995. I noticed a much darker, less deathly carpet had been put down on the field (a year later, new owners would rip up the rug altogether and install good ol' grass). We got to visit the press box. I had never sat in a stadium press box before. As part of my high school journalism tour group, I got to glimpse Shea's, but I didn't get to sit there.



Still in a coat and tie from my interview, I asked somebody to take a picture of me sitting where the man from the Post-Dispatch sat. The man from the Post-Dispatch presumably never asked to be photographed where the guy from the beverage magazine usually sat, but so be it. I tried to furtively write LET'S GO METS on the workspace while our tour guide spoke, but the surface was unkind to such sentiments.



The tour ended on the turf. It was my first time on a major league field. Even though it was carpet, it was thrilling. We stood in foul territory on the first base side and were told to not step over the line lest we incur the wrath of the grounds crew. It was just turf, but who wanted to make trouble? As the guide wound down his remarks, my eye wandered to right field. On October 3, 1985, Gary Carter hit a fly ball over there with one man on and two men out in the ninth inning, the Mets down a run. When he connected, I was convinced it was going out, that the Mets were going to pull ahead of the Cardinals in the game and tie them in the standings and that everything would be great. Instead, the ball was routine and the outcome — 9-unassisted, caught by Andy Van Slyke — was predictable. Still, for a moment, I reveled in standing feet away from bittersweet Met history. We won those first two games in St. Louis that first week of October. They could call us pond scum, they could spill their beer on Lenny, but we went to the ninth inning of the third game with a genuine chance. Keith had singled for his fifth hit of the night, and Gary, on fire for a month, was up against Jeff Lahti. That was 1985. This was 1995. Baseball had been gone since the previous August. Now it was so close, I could taste its lingering heartache.



Three seasons after having had quite enough of it, I would exit Busch Stadium the second time not particularly wanting to leave.


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Frayed Knot
May 23 2020 02:14 PM
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Hey I got a good idea ... let's build a stadium with architectural tributes the our famous arch but enclose it so as to block the view of the actual arch even though it's just over there a little bit beyond that wall.

Johnny Lunchbucket
May 23 2020 03:07 PM
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

Remember listening to a game with my grandfather on the radio, and Gibson hitting a grand slam. That would have been in 76 or so. Not entirely sure it was at Busch.

Which Gibson, Kirk or Bob?

Later

Bob. Kirk wasn't in the bigs then not played for the Mets or Cards.



Here's the game. 1973! https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN197307261.shtml

Edgy MD
May 23 2020 03:20 PM
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Good memory. July 6, 1973. Gibson's second career grand salami and final career homer.

41Forever
May 23 2020 03:29 PM
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I really liked Busch Stadium and have some fun Metly memories there. I blogged about them when the park was nearing its end. This is, I realize, way more than you want to know.


t used to get so hot on the Busch Stadium artificial turf that players would run off the field after each inning and jump — spikes and all — into tubs of ice water kept in the dugout.



I got this from a pretty good source: former Cardinals outfielder Bernard Gilkey.



Busch, despite the apparent discomfort for players in the humid Missouri summers, is one of my favorite places to see a game. I was sad when I realized this was the final year for the yard.



It's certainly true that Busch is a multi-purpose ash tray along the lines of Three Rivers, Riverfront and the Vet, all of whom have preceded it in being demolished. But the little arches along the top made it a little different, and adding natural grass a few years back was a tremendous step forward — and I presume a step cooler, too for the players. Plus, Cardinal fans are among the best in all of baseball and you can't help but get swept up in the group hug that is a game at Busch.



I've been able to attend six games at Busch over the years. Here are some of my favorite memories:



April 24, 1985: Cardinals 5, Mets 1



I was getting pretty homesick toward the end of my first year at University of Missouri, and my passion for the Mets was not a well-concealed secret.



So when a friend from the dorm suggested I join him for a sprint to St. Louis to see the Cards play the Mets, I jumped at the chance even though it meant skipping out on my News 105 class -- the boot camp of journalism school. It was the first time I'd seen the Mets as a visiting team.



This was at the height of the Cardinals-Mets rivalry, and the pitching match-up couldn't beat. Dwight Gooden was early in his Cy Young Award season, and Jaoquin Andujar was the Cards' ace.



Gooden lost just four games all season, and I saw two of them in person. This was one. He didn't pitch poorly, giving up two runs on four hits in seven innings. But the Mets couldn't manage more than a run off Andujar.



The Cards, of course, went on to choke away the World Series to the cross-state rival Royals that season, with Vince Coleman getting run over by the Busch Stadium tarp machine and Andujar melting down in Game Seven.



Andujar – who was never the same after that season – didn't fully grasp English, as indicated in his famous baseball quote. “There's one word in America that says it all and that one word is ‘You never know.'”



The News 105 professor also happened to the School of Journalism's assistant dean, and he was curious why I missed class.



“Mets were playing the Cardinals, Gooden vs. Andujar,” I pleaded. Of course he'd understand.



His stone-faced response: “Interesting. Not a valid excuse, but interesting.”



July 10, 1993: Cardinals 9, Rockies 3 (Future Met content)



My editors at The Flint Journal knew of my love for all things St. Louis and sent me to write a travel story about the city. Armed with an expense account, my wife and I caught up with my buddy Tony and his wife for a weekend of fun – all in the name of research, of course.



Tony, a man of remarkable patience, survived being my roommate at Missouri, and we've been close since.



Naturally, a game at Busch Stadium was on our list of things to see, and the Rockies, in their inaugural year, were in town. Even more exciting, we found out that the Cardinals offered stadium tours.



This was too good to pass up. We were not allowed in the clubhouse – there was a game that night, after all -- but we got some behind-the-scenes peeks of the press box and other areas.



The highlight, by far, was going out on the field and hanging out in the dugout. The artificial turf was indeed like fuzzy concrete with very little bounce. That didn't stop us from doing sweet Ozzie Smith flips. Well, more like Tony holding my feet while I did something resembling a handstand for a photo. But properly cropped, me and Ozzie are one and the same!



After exploring the field, the tour took us into the Cardinals museum, which has since moved across the street. The Cards have a pretty rich history, and it was all displayed well. Much to our glee, we found that on some Saturday afternoons, a Cardinals player is in the museum to meet fans.



And there, as if he was one of the exhibits, was outfielder Bernard Gilkey. There wasn't a big crowd that day, so we had plenty of time to chat.



This was a surprise, so I wasn't prepared with a ball for Bernard to sign. I offered the bill of my Cards home cap as he gave us the inside scoop about the turf, and that the temperature on the field sometimes reached 110 degrees, hence the ice water.



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We returned later for the game, a Cardinals rout over the expansion Rockies. Mark Whiten and Brian Jordan supplied much of the damage, hitting three- and two-run jacks.



July 26, 1995: Cardinals 3, Mets 2



Will and I were in St. Louis for the National Sports Collectors Convention, and it just worked out that the Mets were in town. Naturally we were at Busch when the gates opened and hustled down to the box seats to watch batting practice.



But even better, we saw Bret Saberhagen tossing in the bullpen. Busch used to have the bullpens in foul territory along the stands, and you could get right up there and stand maybe 10 to 15 feet from the pitcher.



Saberhagen was really airing it out, and we were stunned by the velocity. The slap of the ball into the catcher's mitt echoed throughout the empty ballpark.



It's one thing to sit deep in the stands and watch a pitcher hurling from the mound. But it was another to stand just a few feet away and watch Saberhagen throw some gas.



"Sabes" was in his waning days as a Met.



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After a couple throws we went down by the catcher to try to get a batter's perspective. That was probably as close as we were ever going to get to standing in a major league batter's box.



Again, we were amazed at how fast the ball came. We couldn't understand how a batter could see the ball, judge where it would pass through the strike zone, decide to swing and actually move the bat through the zone in the fraction of a second it took for the ball to leave Saberhagen's palm to reach the plate.



It's a series of calculations and movements that have to occur in the blink of an eye — or less.



“At what point do you decide to swing?” Will said. “Is the ball still in his hand? Is he still in the delivery?”



We all harbor dreams that we could dig in at plate and get a hit one off these guys. That day I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to make contact with one of Saberhagen's pitches if I went up there with a piece of plywood instead of a bat.



We didn't know it, but It also was one of the last times Saberhagen would appear in a Mets uniform. He was 5-5 with a 3.35 ERA in his fourth season with the team and was soon traded to the Colorado Rockies.



On the light side, you can always find something interesting and new at the ballpark. We noticed that a group of guys in our section would be cheering or groaning at the end of each half-inning, and it didn't seem to be connected to the game. Journalists are nosey by nature, so we asked what they were up to.



Turns out at the end of an inning, the pitcher or the fielder who made the last out will throw the ball on the mound for the next pitcher to pick up. Sometimes the ball will stay on the dirt of the mound; sometimes it would roll onto the turf. These guys were betting on which would happen.

As for the game, the Mets came up short in the tenth inning, the fifth game of a six-game losing streak. We sensed it would be a long day when the line-up included the likes of Rico Brogna at first, Tim Bogar at short and Alberto Castillo catching.



Not only were Cardinals players better, I think their coaching staff would have polished off the Mets that day – it included Hall-of-Famers Lou Brock, Bob Gibson and Red Schoendienst.


MFS62
May 23 2020 04:51 PM
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t used to get so hot on the Busch Stadium artificial turf that players would run off the field after each inning and jump — spikes and all — into tubs of ice water kept in the dugout.


I remember Casey Stengel saying, "This place hold the heat very well".

Later

MFS62
May 23 2020 05:00 PM
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It used to get so hot on the Busch Stadium artificial turf that players would run off the field after each inning and jump — spikes and all — into tubs of ice water kept in the dugout.


I seem to remember Casey Stengel saying, "This place holds the heat very well", but he was gone from the team the year before the stadium opened. Was he there for some ceremony, or just as a guest?

Later

Frayed Knot
May 23 2020 05:27 PM
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I believe that statement came in association with the ASG held at Busch II in its inaugural year of 1966. Casey, then less than a year out of the game, could have been invited as a coach or just honored figurehead

and likely had more than a few microphones shoved in front of his face during the three day break. I don't Know any of that for a fact but it would make sense that it was from that game as that was right in the

window after Busch opened but also still before ASGs went to night starts. And although the BB-Ref boxscores don't have the time of game and weather conditions from that era the way they do for more recent

games, the combination of a day game in mid-July, in an enclosed stadium, on artificial turf, and in StL makes it a prime candidate for a scorcher.

batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2020 06:44 PM
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That's gotta be right -- about ol' Case being at the new Busch for the '66 ASG. Because I've seen photos of Stengel posing with Ted Williams in 1966 and if I remember right, those photos were taken at Busch because I seem to to recall the distinctive top of the Busch roof that circled the stadium in the background of those photos. Stengel and Williams posed together because they were that year's new HOF inductees.

batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2020 06:46 PM
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That's gotta be right -- about ol' Case being at the new Busch for the '66 ASG. Because I've seen photos of Stengel posing with Ted Williams in 1966 and if I remember right, those photos were taken at Busch because I seem to to recall the distinctive top of the Busch roof that circled the stadium in the background of those photos. Stengel and Williams posed together because they were that year's new HOF inductees.


And here it is (but I remember some other photos from that same session, slightly different angles):



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batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2020 06:48 PM
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And here's a HOF photo of The Kid and The Ol' Perfesser:



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batmagadanleadoff
May 23 2020 07:47 PM
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It used to get so hot on the Busch Stadium artificial turf that players would run off the field after each inning and jump — spikes and all — into tubs of ice water kept in the dugout.


I seem to remember Casey Stengel saying, "This place holds the heat very well"....

Later


Close enough.


Former New York Yankees manager Casey Stengel, an honorary coach for the game, was credited with the most memorable quote of the day when he said, "The new park sure holds the heat well. It took the press right out of my pants."


Plus... How hot was it?


"It was unbelievable how hot it was," said Cubs third baseman Ron Santo later recalled "All those box seats in the sun ... by the third inning, they were almost empty."


American League All-Star Brooks Robinson said afterward, "It gets hot in Little Rock (where he grew up), but not this hot. It felt like 200 degrees inside that helmet."






July 12, 1966: Brand-new Busch Stadium becomes a torture chamber in 103-degree heat at All-Star Game



https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/july-12-1966-brand-new-busch-stadium-becomes-a-torture-chamber-in-103-degree-heat/article_e2c424a5-4f13-5000-b357-ada5015cfd38.html

ashie62
May 23 2020 09:12 PM
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I was at Busch 1 as a teenager for a tour. We got to go on the astroturf. It was July and it felt somewhere north of 120 degrees. Fire on earth. How did they play on that stuff

dgwphotography
May 24 2020 04:44 AM
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My biggest memory is definitely Straw's shot off the clock.



Also the setting of one of my favorite baseball photographs from Walter Iooss:


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MFS62
May 24 2020 05:54 AM
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This was Busch Stadium I, A/K/A Sportsmans Park:

http://www.projectballpark.org/history/na/busch1.html

No astroturf.

It was where the Mets played their first ever regular season game.

I remember the screen in front of the right field pavilion (310' down the line) which Stan Musial cleared for homers and bounced doubles off for much of his career.

Later

MFS62
May 24 2020 05:57 AM
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I was at Busch 1 as a teenager for a tour. We got to go on the astroturf.


This was Busch Stadium I, A/K/A Sportsmans Park:

http://www.projectballpark.org/history/na/busch1.html

No astroturf.

It was where the Mets played their first ever regular season game.

I remember the screen in front of the right field pavilion (310' down the line) which Stan Musial cleared for homers and bounced doubles off for much of his career.

Later

ashie62
May 24 2020 06:39 AM
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I guess it was Busch 2, thanks! Forgot about Sportsmans Park